Sorry about this did not see the mail until today I have no idea about this at all a trip to PRONI should put that right for you in no time at all. as they are Church of Ireland would the records for this marriage be stored at the RCB in Stillorgan Dublin or have they been stored in the PRONI in the north of Ireland ? Cara

Cara: Yes I would be happy to have everything you will send . Please inlude the source. Thanks again, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:48 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] BRADY FAMILY WICKLOW > Bill > > I do have several members of the surname Brady but none with the christian > name Hugh .......... > but if you wish to have them all let me know and I will extract them if > you feel they may lead you somewhere > > Cara > Dowley -Dowbey either of those I wont say speicific > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <billmellsworth@comcast.net> > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Another FREE databases.... > > >> Cara: >> I am looking for Hugh Brady and Ellen (Darby?) Brady both born ca >> 1809. They emigrated before 1840. >> >> Thanks for the offer >> Bill >> >> ---- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> >> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 3:15 AM >> Subject: [Irish-Roots] Another FREE databases.... >> >> >>>I >> >> >> >> ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== >> Plant your Irish roots here! >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

Thanks again, Cara. G.Flood

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Dear Cara, I am going to N Ireland Oct. 15. Looking for the marriage of Mary Ann Ray to William? Grimsby about 1818 in County Tyrone or Armagh. My g grandmother was born 1821 and was "a native of Armagh" . No Christening found yet in CI records. Somewhere I read taxes were put on such events about that time. Do you know if true or not? Any suggestions most welcome..Jessie. ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRELAND-ROOTS-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: IRELAND-ROOTS-D Digest V05 #120

Cara, By any chance would you have a John Healy/Healey married a Maryann ??? approx 1822 or earlier, based on first known child born approx 1823. Believe Maryann was born approx 1805, give or take a few years. Thank you so much for looking. Anita

Thanks for the info. Would really appreciate anything else you can lead me to. Interesting thoughts. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish@comcast.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > Hi Al , > > Over time more Presbyterian left Ireland for USA than catholic> > I do not believe this is correct but I have no ref. to back it up . > The Irish descent as I recall are from various country census. As > I recall , the US figures I think are from the 2000 US census per the following : > > Grandpa Walt-Irish McKenzie, Sr.- NJ - MA*- USA > > *Middlesex Co. (400,000 of Irish descent). Due to > > immigration, after the 1840's Ireland famine, over 33% of Boston's > > population were Irish. By 1900 over 40% were Irish. In 2000, MA > > was 19.5% Irish, Boston 6% with the So. Shore now 35+% of Irish > > descent. > > I'll try to locate my 1-2 ref. for the info I posted. I never remember to > include > > orig. ref. Then its a big job finding it . . . please bear with me. I need to stop being so > > careless. Walt > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Albert D" <alpat@snip.net> > To: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish@comcast.net> > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > > > > Hi Walt I'm always interested in the various groups who left the areas > > around Ireland, Scotland, England and such. Can you tell me where you found > > the statistics on the numbers of Irish Catholics versus other religions that > > left those areas to go to any nation? Al > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish@comcast.net> > > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > > > >> Ireland 7 > > million > >> > >> Irish Descent : America 50 million ~ Britain 8 million ~ Australia 3 > > million > >> Canada ? > > million > >> > >> Walt > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: <PamCraven@aol.com> > >> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:02 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > >> > > >> > If they were poor and destitute they could hardly afford the fare to > > USA. > >> > Also I do not think the normal route would be Scotland - Ireland - USA. > > Many > >> > probably thought the grass was greener on the other side and many > > others had > >> > done well, writen home so often following in neighbours/family > > footsteps. > >> > Over time more Presbyterian left Ireland for USA than catholic. Mine > > all > >> > stayed in Ireland and my mother said her mother told her that her > > grandfather > >> > said they just pulled their belt in another notch when the going got > > tough. > >> > Either they were determined to stay in Ireland or as I believe just did > > not > >> > have the money to leave as most were buried in plots with no > > headstones. > >> > > >> > In a message dated 05/10/2005 17:45:29 GMT Standard Time, > >> > jhegeman@acegroup.cc writes: > >> > > >> > There just wasn't enough land for them to make a living, and also, they > >> > were under British control, a very oppressive government, so the Irish > > were > >> > very poor and destitute. Or, if they were Scottish, they often came to > >> > Ireland on one leg of their journey, and then to the USA a year or two > >> > later. Jeannie > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Linda H." <avonlindah@hotmail.com> > >> > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:07 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > >> > > >> >> Does anyone know what would make people leave Ireland in the > >> >> 1820s-1830s?...Linda Haviland > >> > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 10/5/2005 > > ______________________________

I have a collection of these marriages and for the first time I have finally seen why this occured thanks a million for the thought Nori about the route CARA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nori" <nori@mts.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > Re your question about Irish & Scots marrying - quite possible. > During the 16th to the 19th century, Donaghadee, Co. Down to Portpatrick, > was the most popular route to Scotland as it was only 21 miles. > Nori > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

I have found no marriages so far for FLOOD's in Co Wicklow but there is 24 marriages from 1837 in Dublin area ........... But from 1864 which is of course civil registration times i Have recorded 23 births Co Wicklow but none with the name Sylvester but should you want the other details kindly let me know off the list and i will compile a report for you Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: <maoltuile@webtv.net> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Another FREE database > Cara, re: Co. Wicklow... > > Some Co. Carlow FLOOD's may have come from Wicklow. Please see if there > are any, possibly with given names of > Sylvester, Philip, Martin....and, well, the usual lineup of Patrick, > Michael, etc.! I'm complete with my earliest Co. Carlow date of 1800. I > appreciate your generosity. > > Gordon Flood > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Cara, I am resarching for Michael or James LYNCHEY or similar and wife Sarah or Mary MULLEN or similar. Sarah or Mary LYNCHEY and son Thomas sentenced at Castle Rushen (Isle of Man) Nov. 1833, transported 1835. She took a son and 2 daughters (free) with her to OZZ, the convict indent stated that she was a Roman Catholic and a widow. Documents here say she was born in County Down and it is likely that she was married and had some, at least, of her children in Ireland. Can you point to any likely places to look, I have already tried County Down and the IoM. Peter Strauss Melbourne Australia

Dear Cara: you're a dear. ...the other info, not at this time. Tnx. Gordon

Agree - I found my Ardnamurchan Smith family on P Maddern's list. It showed they came out on the George Fife which is one of the ships listed on the Clearance site Cara has listed below. If you look at the information on that site about Ardnamurchan it says: "The 1845 Statistical account is clear 'After the discomfiture of the Highland army at Culloden, these districts were laid waste with fire and sword, and subjected to the fullest measure of vengeance which, although perpetrated by the army of civilized Britain, rivalled the savage cruelty of the most barbarous age' " If you then go to the poulation statistics, in 1831 Ardnamurchan had 5,669 people and by 1881 that was reduced to 4,105 - a significant decrease. If you look at the Destinations tab on the site the majority of destinations appear to be Canadian, Ontario or Nova Scotia. As Cara has suggested a google of "highland clearances" will turn up a wealth of information about reasons for leaving Scotland. One of the more unusual is at: http://www.deakin.edu.au/buslaw/aef/confs/deakinconf/ahico30.pdf which talks about the role of accountants in the clearances. Other sites are: http://www.highlanderweb.co.uk/clearanc.htm http://www.ehs.org.uk/society/pdfs/Devine%204b.pdf by Dr Tom Devine, Reader in Scottish History http://members.aol.com/Skyewrites/menu9.html (includes a clearance time line) Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 10:07 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] WHY THE SCOTISH CAME TO IRELAND >I think those of you interested in this should take time out to read the >Scottish Highland Clearances.........that will answer you a lot of >questions, and certainly a google placing in Scottish Highland Clearances >will produce many > > http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/main.php > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

I think those of you interested in this should take time out to read the Scottish Highland Clearances.........that will answer you a lot of questions, and certainly a google placing in Scottish Highland Clearances will produce many http://www.theclearances.org/clearances/main.php Persecution of their religion was another reason and that went both ways as well Scottish and Irish Many Irish also left Ireland because they wished to follow their faiths. Now in Co Wicklow the desire to build a catholic parish in America was the reasoning behind the Father Hore movement, plus the onset of the famine or whatever destruction it has left behind, increased the desire to leave Ireland, but what you have to also remember dirt poor they might have been, lack of courage plenty of, and they were given assisted passage from the Coolaten estate and if my memory is surving me correctly, they were aided by a man called (Wyndham) from the Northern part of Ireland. So my feelings are that their was many landed people who aided the course of people leaving their land to go to America, Australia and Canada and many other parts of the globe. You also need to look at the law that covered the closing of the poor houses or Orphanges in such times as they did not want the orphans or half orphans to remain a drag on the parishe so they picked them and sent them on to other countries. The promise of work on the Railway in America did not become a fullfilment for many and they once again found themselves with no job and no income in a new country, what happened to those good folk sent with the promise of work that was not there? Now a classic example of the orphans are the scottish girls transplanted from Ireland sent aboard the Diadem to Australia there average age is between 14 and 16 years, I also feel that orphans would have been sent to America as well, indeed on reading passenger list for 1803 I see children as young as 8 without parents and you would have to also take into accoung a child of 12 years was classed as a working man/woman in those times. I wonder what happened to those orphans be that they arrived in America, Canada or Australia ? Cheers Cara

Thank-you. I am trying to narrow down when they left Ireland so I can get to the why, but all I have to go on right now is that they were born around 1805 in Ireland and their first child was born in the U.S. in 1835. The death records from Boston don't tell, and I'm waiting for the obituaries from the Boston Public Library, hopefully to be found. (They died there in 1882). I have possibly found a John Ha?land on the Brig Cambridge entering Boston in 1826 or 27 (it's late, so I forget), looking in the ISTG website, but that's all right now. I do know they were Irish Catholic and that John's parents were also John and Ann Havlin, his WIFE Ann's parents Roger Havlin and Cecilia...this generation born in Ireland around 1780. Altogether I have been doing this search since the 1970s, my Aunt even longer, so at this point it's a matter of not overlooking anything that might provide clues...Linda Haviland

From what I understand from reading about immigration to the U.S. it was much cheaper to go to Canada first and then migrate south, so this is a possibility with my Havilands (Havlin) settling in Boston, Massachusetts and us now being in Connecticut. Because Boston was a busy port of entry, though, that was my first place to concentrate on. I like reading the posts about why people left Ireland, as they are educational to me, here in Connecticut. I can't even fathom making such a huge choice as to leave everything and everyone I'd ever known, especially when it took so long to cross the ocean. Thank-you to all...Linda Haviland

Can you tell me where your Connors/OConnor are from. I'm researching the same variations. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: <JohnPcnnrs@aol.com> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > Can we move on. > > Researching Connors, OConnor, Histon, Kennealy, Heffernan, Foley, Palmer, > deConde, Sugrue, Shackrow, Griffin, Shea and Keating > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

All my Irish roots that came to the US settled in the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania area and remained there. I look forward to learning about their Irish homeland over time and being able to pass it along to my daughter. Genealogy is both a frustrating and very enjoyable hobby. CULLEN, Bernard - Parents were John Cullen and Bridget Devany. Believe Co. Leitrim. TYRRELL, Arthur - Parents were Peter Tyrrell and Harriett ?. Think northern Ireland. KELLY, Charles - Parents unknown. Came with wife Roseanna and children. KENT, Eleanor - Came from Co. Wicklow. Parents William D. Kent and Jane E. Evans SHERIDAN, Elizabeth (US born) - Parents: Michael Sheridan and Margaret ? HARVEY, Kate (US born) - Parents were John Harvey and Mary ? FERRIS, Mary (US born) - Mother's name was Ellen, father's unknown. Jim Cullen http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jimcullen/

Cara, Would you have any sources for Louth? I'm looking for James Henry SLOAN/SLONE born abt 1852. His father Patrick. Thanks Lynn >I have a data base for Co Wicklow Ireland with a few thousand names in it >and all been from parish registers that is free.........just for the asking > > I also have many valuable Irish sources that I do lookups from for anyone > who needs them > and all free > > I cannot guarantee I will find your missing link but I sure try > > Cheers > Cara > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx .

Many Scots came to the north of Ireland to work in the weaver's industry. When the English closed the factories and disbanded thecottage weaving industry in Ireland, the Scots left, as well as many Irish. There is no one, single reason why any group of people left their native land. To understand the desperation that drove people to sell their belongings, leave family and friends and take a perilous voyage on a sailing vessel of that time period, only one thing will give you what you need...historical facts. There is no way to avoid looking up information about the years your ancestors left, and the history before and after their departure as well. Computers make it easy. Pat D

Hi Al , > Over time more Presbyterian left Ireland for USA than catholic> I do not believe this is correct but I have no ref. to back it up . The Irish descent as I recall are from various country census. As I recall , the US figures I think are from the 2000 US census per the following : Grandpa Walt-Irish McKenzie, Sr.- NJ - MA*- USA *Middlesex Co. (400,000 of Irish descent). Due to immigration, after the 1840's Ireland famine, over 33% of Boston's population were Irish. By 1900 over 40% were Irish. In 2000, MA was 19.5% Irish, Boston 6% with the So. Shore now 35+% of Irish descent. I'll try to locate my 1-2 ref. for the info I posted. I never remember to include orig. ref. Then its a big job finding it . . . please bear with me. I need to stop being so careless. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert D" <alpat@snip.net> To: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish@comcast.net> Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > Hi Walt I'm always interested in the various groups who left the areas > around Ireland, Scotland, England and such. Can you tell me where you found > the statistics on the numbers of Irish Catholics versus other religions that > left those areas to go to any nation? Al > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walt McKENZIE, Sr." <WaltIrish@comcast.net> > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 10:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions > >> Ireland 7 > million >> >> Irish Descent : America 50 million ~ Britain 8 million ~ Australia 3 > million >> Canada ? > million >> >> Walt >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <PamCraven@aol.com> >> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions >> > >> > If they were poor and destitute they could hardly afford the fare to > USA. >> > Also I do not think the normal route would be Scotland - Ireland - USA. > Many >> > probably thought the grass was greener on the other side and many > others had >> > done well, writen home so often following in neighbours/family > footsteps. >> > Over time more Presbyterian left Ireland for USA than catholic. Mine > all >> > stayed in Ireland and my mother said her mother told her that her > grandfather >> > said they just pulled their belt in another notch when the going got > tough. >> > Either they were determined to stay in Ireland or as I believe just did > not >> > have the money to leave as most were buried in plots with no > headstones. >> > >> > In a message dated 05/10/2005 17:45:29 GMT Standard Time, >> > jhegeman@acegroup.cc writes: >> > >> > There just wasn't enough land for them to make a living, and also, they >> > were under British control, a very oppressive government, so the Irish > were >> > very poor and destitute. Or, if they were Scottish, they often came to >> > Ireland on one leg of their journey, and then to the USA a year or two >> > later. Jeannie >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Linda H." <avonlindah@hotmail.com> >> > To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 8:07 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Scotch / Irish History Questions >> > >> >> Does anyone know what would make people leave Ireland in the >> >> 1820s-1830s?...Linda Haviland >> > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.10/120 - Release Date: 10/5/2005