I'll third that.............how do you do research in Ireland if you don't have a county of birth? Lynn -------Original Message------- From: Linda H. Date: 11/14/05 13:15:22 To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-Roots] THE IRISH RESEARCH QUESTION...HAVILANDS/HAVLIN... I have the same question as Jan, ..how do I research in Ireland?...about the Havilands or Havlins, or whatever their name was. All I know is that they were born in Ireland around 1805, John the son of John and Ann who were born there around 1780, and his wife Ann the daughter of Roger Havlin (or other spelling) and Cecilia, born around 1780. I have tried every way I can to find out where they came from in Ireland, obituaries I received this week telling me nothing except their age and death date here in the U.S. and I'm desperate, but don't know where to get help. If anybody can help, I'd appreciate it very much...Linda Haviland ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx .

Hi all, I have read the new postings about how to get started doing research if you don't know which county your ancestors came from. While it is hard, it is not impossible. I can only give you information that I used to find my ancestors who came to the US, so if yours went somewhere else, I can't give you any info. First, make sure that you have looked them up in EVERY US census. Each census covered different questions, and you may get more information based on another census record. If you can't find them, try different spellings (this goes for any search anywhere! Spellings varied greatly!). Once you have all the census records you can find, try the Ellis Island database if you think that they may have immigrated through there. In addition, try getting their naturalization records, death certificates (often included country/county info) or obituaries (often says where they came from). I am adding some of the sites that I found most useful in my search. I have been quite successful, and found not only that my relatives came from Sligo (O'Hara, Burke, Connolly) but also Mayo (Burdish, Gavin). Last but not least, try doing multiple Google searches. use different names, spellings, names with counties, names with words like birth, death or census, etc. I have stumbled across all kinds of records that way. Good luck. Nancy http://www.ellisisland.org/ http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/links/counties/ http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/irl/ http://home.att.net/~wee-monster/naturalizationrecords.html http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/begin.htm http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~deesegenes/index.html

Cara, I very much appreciate your help in this. My memory is terrible, but when I saved your e-mail I found that you'd been helpful before, and I'd saved those, too! Thank-you very much. I don't mind the work; it's just knowing where to search...Linda Haviland

I too am struggling to find an ancestor: Mary TURLEY married John STANYARD in St Peters, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, on 21.06.1836. Census records say she came from Ireland. However, on IGI I have found : Mary TURLEY bapt. 16.06.1816 at St Peters, Wolverhampton, da. of Job & Margaret TURLEY or, Mary TURLEY bapt. 14.01.1816, Dudley, Worcestershire, da. of Zephania & Mary TURLEY Either the census records were incorrect and she is one of the people listed above (both dates are possibilities), or, she did come from Ireland. I don't have names of parents or siblings, or which area in Ireland she came from. There don't seem to be Passenger lists for ferries from Ireland to England to give me a lead. Any help in pointing me in the right direction would be much appreciated. I understand that TURLEY is not a very common surname. with best wishes Penelope Carter -----Original Message----- From: Cara_Links [mailto:cracker@hotkey.net.au] Sent: 14 November 2005 11:00 To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-Roots] THE IRISH RESEARCH QUESTION-LEVELL-HAVILAND This must be one of the hardest emails I have ever undertaken to answer -and no doubt in one email I cannot do it justice in suggesting things to do and things that can be done, so please if my advice is helpfull feel free to ask questions, there must be others who have ideas as well. Mine is purely based on the fact that I have been going in and out of Ireland for many years doing research, and it has been a hard learning exercise with much more to learn And I hope I do it with some success and give you hope that their is a way to venture into this hard area of research. Several things that may aid you are 1- Do you know their religion 2- The Irish naming pattern may help if they are RC 3- Never give up is my motto- for you exist that is something your ancestors gave you.........enjoy that as well 4- It does help if you state the name you are researching as well others are also researching names and they dont all use the front of the list, many are sitters and wait, perhaps out of shyness or just sit waiting which is a sad case because others then miss out on help 5- Shipping lists --- and yes I know they are scarce but having never gone researching into America I only know of some that exist. 6- Join the necessary lists at rootsweb for all the help you can get and if you are not sure of what list the Dublin City list is a great one to begin on. 7- Remember that civil registration did not begin until 1864 RC and a little earlier for the Church of Ireland, registers have been destroyed but dont fall into the myth that ALL were destroyed some were transcribed before being handed in to the powers that be and some do still exist if not complete. Looking at the names listed Haviland-Havlin and Levell The surname Levell appears after 1864 in Armagh-Co Down and Antrim And under the spelling of Level and the variants there of Level in Co Down in the parish of Drumbo Laval/Lavalle/Lavel Laval shows there is four households in Galway in he parish of Annaghdown Under Lavalle Cork city has 2 households in the parish of St Nicholas and Mayo 1 household in the parish of Kilmeena Under Lavel their is one household inLouth in the parish of Faughart and one in Meath in the parish of Kilmainham I could no find a common bond between the name Levell and Wittey as I actually see this would most likely be a variant of Whitty which is a southern Ireland name although it will of course appear elsewhere. HAVILAND The only variant I found still exisiting in Ireland Four households appear 2 in Mayo- Parish of Ballinrobe and 2 in Meath-Parish of Athboy Fewer than five births were recorded for haviland in 1890 -- Although the family name you are seeking is much earlier than civil registration, you are going to have to face the long daunting task of sorting through whatever LDS films are available to cover the parishes you decide to look at on your family. Having not done Mayo research cannot say what is available on that one, but Meath also has some hard parts to cross for instance the missing burial registers etc. Good luck and if any of you in your wanderings come across Michael Odonghue ( and variants ) and Elizbeth Burns married and missing one son named Thomas ...........please feel free to send him home to me I have only been looking for 23 years and thats not long...............after all their are others who have searched longer to find the missing piece. Cheers Cara List admin Co Wicklow Ireland Ireland tombstones Ireland Cemeteries Ireland Obits ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi, I am new to this list, and have no idea about how to set about research in Ireland. I have recently come across someone in my family in an American census, which says she was born in Ireland. I wonder if anyone can point me in the right direction to find her? Harriet LEVELL, born abt 1886 to Emma (nee WITTEY) and Richard LEVELL. It is quite possible that they had other children in Ireland too (2 daughters) before eventually emigrating to America. If anyone can help, I would be most grateful. Jan White (Glastonbury, Somerset) Researching... WISEMAN in Norfolk or anywhere Somerset, Wiltshire & Dorset ALEXANDER, ANDREWS, BARNETT, BATTERBURY, BIRD, BISHOP, BUSH, CARTER, DOWLING, ELLIOT, GODDARD, GUNNING, HIPPESLEY, LANNEN, LANNING, MARCHANT, MILLARD, PHIPPEN, PORTER, ROGERS, SMITH, STOKES, WAREHAM, WEBB, WHITE, WILLS Norfolk BRIDGMAN, BUGDEN, GREEN, HENANT, POINTER, PYE, RAYNER, RUMP, SEWELL, STEWART, STIBBINGS London, Surrey & Middlesex BARNETT, BASFORD, BUSH, CRONIN, LORD, MASON, MURRAY, PARIS, SMART, STANDLEY, TURNER, UPTON, WHITCOMBE Hertfordshire & Essex BARKER, DAVIS, MARSHALL, WILLIAMS, WITTEY Northamptonshire BASFORD, CAPORN, EDWARDS, HAYNES, SIMSON, SHACKLETON, WEBB

I have the same question as Jan, ..how do I research in Ireland?...about the Havilands or Havlins, or whatever their name was. All I know is that they were born in Ireland around 1805, John the son of John and Ann who were born there around 1780, and his wife Ann the daughter of Roger Havlin (or other spelling) and Cecilia, born around 1780. I have tried every way I can to find out where they came from in Ireland, obituaries I received this week telling me nothing except their age and death date here in the U.S. and I'm desperate, but don't know where to get help. If anybody can help, I'd appreciate it very much...Linda Haviland

I have recently found out that my 2rd great grandparents were born in Belfast Ireland. Date unknown. On my great-grandmothers death certificate it states her parents by the name of Patrick Duress and Mary Cingen. Both born in Belfast. My great-grandmother was born in 1852 in Philadelphia. Interestingly enough on her marriage to my great-grandfather her name is Katerine Mc Garth or Mc Gurt. I have done an Ancestry.com lookup up with the name of Patrick Duress and come up with nothing that is in Phila. or an immigration. Would someone that is more familiar with Ireland lookups please guide me in the right direction? Thanks, ginger in Florida

Hello List, By some chance is there anyone researching the descendants of Francis Gough SHAW and Catherine FLYNN of Derryboy, Down, Ireland? Two possible children: Hugh SHAW, b. 1868 James SHAW, b. abt 1870 / 1873. believed to have first sailed to New Zeaand and then to Australia about 1890. Beryl in Vic. Australia

The following book has been donated for a used book sale. If anyone is intersted in it, please contact me at: gnepat@raiva.net Seuman MacManus, The Story of the Irish Race: A Popular Historyof Ireland. 1971 by Devin-Adair Co., NY publisher. 737 pp, indexed, hardbound with dust jacket.

Hello, Seeking information about this family. Marcus BYRNE, b. ~1824, Ireland, m. Catherine BREARTY bef. 1847. Their dau., Mary BYRNE, b. ~1847, Northern Ireland, m. Charles HAGGERTY in Glasgow, Lanark, SCT, Jan 25, 1865. Charles H. was b. ~ 1842 in Northern Ireland. His parents were Peter HAGGERTY & Giles CONOCHAN. At the time of their marriage, the families were living in Glasgow. I don't know when they made the move from Northern Ireland to Glasgow. Mary & Charles HAGGERTY immigrated to America. They lived in Fall River, Bristol, MA. Mary & Charles HAGGERTY had sev. ch. in Glasgow, incl. Michael HAGGERTY b. 1865 Mary HAGGERTY b. 1867 Peter HAGGERTY b. 1870 Charles HAGGERTY b. 1872 Hugh HAGGERTY b. 1874 James HAGGERTY b. 1876 Any info appreciated. Betty G. Massachusetts

hello, seeking info on this family. John NOON b. ~ 1828, Ireland, m. Bridget ---, before 1848. She was b. in Ireland as well. I've only found one child: Mary NOON, b. ~ 1848, Ireland, lived in Fall River, Bristol, MA. She m. Michael HENRY. Don't know if they were m. in Ireland or in America. Any help appreciated. I do not know where in Ireland they were from. Thank you. Betty G.

Hello, Seeking further info on this family: Michael HENRY, b. ~1847, Ireland, m. Mary NOON, b. ~ 1848. All 4 parents were also b. in Ireland. They were m. before 1865. Their earlier ch. were b. in England, so they were prob. married in either Ireland or England. ch: Daniel HENRY, b. ~1865, England Mary HENRY, b. ~1868, England John HENRY, b. ~1870, England Catherine HENRY, b. ~1871, MA Thomas HENRY, b. ~1876, MA William P. HENRY, b. 3/14/1878, Fall River, Bristol, MA Elizabeth "Lizzie" R. HENRY, b. ~1880, Fall River, Bristol, MA Michael HENRY, the father, was a Saloon Keeper in 1880 (Fall River, MA). His f. may have been Daniel HENRY, and his m. Mary ---. Not sure about that at all. Seeking parents of Michael HENRY (Sr.), confirmation that his wife's name was NOON, where in Ireland he was born, where in England they lived. what happened to the siblings of "Lizzie" R. HENRY (direct ancestor) and/or where in Fall River they were buried (what cemetery in Fall River). Any help appreciated! Betty G. Massachusetts

In a message dated 11/8/2005 8:16:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, barrett@vaxxine.com writes: > Subject: LDS Digitizing Books, on-line NOW at BYU !!! > > >> A dream coming true. The Family History Library is starting to > digitize >> their book holdings, mostly family histories to date, and they > are putting them >> on-line, fully search able by any word or advanced search > combinations. >> Five thousand plus of these books are on the Brigham Young > University >> Library servers and readily accessible, NOW! >> Here is a partial clip of an announcement I just received and > I have only >> made a quick check of how to find them and how to search, but > it is very >> exciting >> "The LDS Family History Library has announced that it has > begun the process >> of digitizing and making available on the Internet all of the > Family History >> books in their collection. These are primarily books in the > "929.273Series" >> that are currently housed on the first floor of the Family > History Library >> (previously housed on the fourth floor of the Joseph Smith > Memorial Building). >> At the present time (September 2005), about 5000 books have > been digitized >> and are available, and they have announced that they are > adding about 100 >> titles a week to the on-line collection. Copyright issues are > playing a role in >> determining the order in which they progress through this > task; books out of >> copyright are being done first." >> Go to the web site of the Harold B. Lee Library at BYU >> at http://www.lib.byu.edu/ , then on the home page, follow the > links:Find Other Materials; >> Electronic; On Line Collections at BYU; Text Collections tab; > Family History Archive >> from the list of collections that are displayed. The search box > on the left >> seems to be he one to find your books at and the search box on > the right is >> for searching within the pages on screen.

Good morning; I am looking for information regarding a John Fitzsimons who married Isabella Carse in 1858 in the Presbyterian Church in Killyleagh, Down Ireland. I believe this is the same couple who had a son, Thomas, christened in the same church and location in 1859. His parents were listed as John Fitzsimons and "Habben" in familysearch.org. Any information regarding these people or where I could look up more information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Marc Fitzsimmons

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Michael, These should get you started with your search, some you have to join (mailing lists) other Message Bds are just log in and look. Bob Cdn. Visit the following for Kildare Mailing List http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-CO-KILDARE.html http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-KILDARE.html Message Boards: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.britisles.ireland.kid.general McLaughlin: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.mclaughlin http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/m/mclaughlin.html http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/m/mclaughllin.html http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/m/mclaughin.html ======================================== mmessinger@macalester.edu wrote: <SNIP> >McLoughlin. > >Also, I was wondering if anyone was familiar with County Kildare and could help direct me where I should go from here. Many of you were of great help when all I knew was that my ancestor was from Ireland, but now I have more specific location. I was wondering what resources are out there for County Kildare and what would be the best place to start. > >

Hi everyone, I found out a little while ago that I had an ancestor named Valentine McLaughlin from Ireland. Very recently I found a relative who knew that family stories said that Valentine was from County Kildare. Valentine was born in about 1827 (supposedly in county Kildare) and according to family stories he was Catholic. He later moved to Scotland and (according to family stories) converted to Presbyterianism so that he could marry. Valentine and his wife emmigrated from Scotland to the United States in 1852. I was wondering if anyone was familiar with the McLaughlin family from County Kildare. The name as a wide variety of spellings, the most common variation in my experience has been McLoughlin. Also, I was wondering if anyone was familiar with County Kildare and could help direct me where I should go from here. Many of you were of great help when all I knew was that my ancestor was from Ireland, but now I have more specific location. I was wondering what resources are out there for County Kildare and what would be the best place to start. Thanks! ~Michael Messinger~

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HBH 1890 May 15th BURBRIDGE Mr F W Dublin The Graphic has received from a distinguished botanical traveller, Mr F W BURBRIDGE, M.A., Curator of the Trinity College Botanical Gardens, DUBLIN, a living specimen of a bookworm which Mr BURBRIDGE caught "en flagrant delit" of "gnawing up things like the devil!" Mr ELLIS, of the British Museum, had only ever seen one, and that was in the volume of the Spectator.

Seems every generation in Co Cork had a Margaret Daly married to a Callaghan I do have information on this area but it begins in 1864 I did not realise how much the name DALY appeared in Co Cork If any of the other dates are needed feel free to contact me marriages are from 1847 And none found for Daniel and Margaret Cara