In a message dated 3/17/2003 3:22:20 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > [email protected] > > Thanks; I will join that one for certain. Margery

Hello,I 'm looking for information on James GOGERTY His obituary says he was born in Ireland-1840, but I don't know where. Thank you for any help you can give me. Jean Foster

I think we have been through this before and it was concluded that either way was correct. Depended on where you were? Coral Out on a limb - searching for ancestors BARKER, BULLIS, BYRNE, HOLMES, SHAMBAUGH, PUTNAM, MARSHALL

Or there's this list... [email protected] Jen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Cassilly" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [IRL~ROOTS] List for Ulster information > Ulster province is North Ireland. I believe there are five counties in North > Ireland: Armagh, Down, Antrim, Londonderry, and Tyrone. It would seem like > if you sign up for all five counties, you would have Ulster. Does anyone > know of a shorter way? > Jim Cassilly > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:22 AM > Subject: [IRL~ROOTS] List for Ulster information > > > > Does anyone on the list have a suggestion as to which Rootsweb list is > best > > for researching Ulster genealogy? According to Rootsweb, there is no > > individual list exclusively for this province. Is there a Scotch-Irish > list > > which would possibly cover this? > > Thanks, > > Margery Borger > > Sacramento, CA > > > > ______________________________

Probably Scottish-Irish! which I am on my mum's side and English-Welsh on my dad's, with my paternal grandmother being a Holmes marrying a Sherlock. So my granny was Emily Sherlock nee Holmes. Beat that! I am sure we are all joined somewhere if only we could find all the records. Happy hunting

So let's just accept Scots-Irish! My very southern family hid whatever hard liquour they were drinking, so it was probably moonshine! They used the term Scotch-Irish for their ancestry and they knew their history, as it had been traced back to pre 1620 in a village outside Inverness, Scotland, to Lough Swilly, Co. Donegal, Ireland, to America...fortunate to have had an early Presbyterian Minister related, who was sent to establish the religion on the Eastern Shore in MD, VA, etc., so his history was pretty well established in a jillion books and documents! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: [IRL~ROOTS] Re: Scot or Scotch? <grin> > So is it Scot-Irish or Scotch-Irish? > > Ray > > > Subject: > > > > Re: [IRL~ROOTS] List for Ulster information > > From: > > > > [email protected] > > Date: > > > > Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:19:25 EST > > To: > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > Hi folks just a tip it may help future searches but Scotch is a drink not a > > nationality and Scot is the nationality. > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Check out the sister sites to this mailing list at the links shown below: > Boards > Topics > Immigration > United States > Irish immigrants > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=an&p=topics.immigration.us.iri sh > & > Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Irish > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.irish > & > Boards > Localities > United Kingdom and Ireland > General > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.britisles.gene ral >

So is it Scot-Irish or Scotch-Irish? Ray > Subject: > > Re: [IRL~ROOTS] List for Ulster information > From: > > [email protected] > Date: > > Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:19:25 EST > To: > > [email protected] > > > Hi folks just a tip it may help future searches but Scotch is a drink not a > nationality and Scot is the nationality.

Unless you were MY ancestors, and they referred to themselves as Scots-Irish! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRL~ROOTS] List for Ulster information > Hi folks just a tip it may help future searches but Scotch is a drink not a > nationality and Scot is the nationality. > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The archives for this list are located here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRELAND-ROOTS > or > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ireland-roots >

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Author of "My Lady Of The Chimney Corner", born in Antrim, Co. Antrim Ireland, to James and Anna (Gilmore) Irvine. Would Like to know the names of James's parents. [email protected]

My ancestors are Lynch and Murphy who arrived in Virginia. I found the recordings of many generations when I searched through Jones Memorial Library in Lynchburg, VA. Erin Go Bragh and Blessed Saint Patrick's Day! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Moser - Mickey Peterson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: [IRL~ROOTS] John Finnell > I am looking for the roots of John Finnell b.1629 in Co. Clare or Co. Kilkenny Ireland. Migrated to Va. USA in or about 1650. I don't know the ship? I think he was alone but did marry Frances Moss b. 1630 (abt) in VA. > Mickey > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > The archives for this list are located here: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/IRELAND-ROOTS > or > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ireland-roots > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

Hi folks just a tip it may help future searches but Scotch is a drink not a nationality and Scot is the nationality.

I am looking for the roots of John Finnell b.1629 in Co. Clare or Co. Kilkenny Ireland. Migrated to Va. USA in or about 1650. I don't know the ship? I think he was alone but did marry Frances Moss b. 1630 (abt) in VA. Mickey

Margery, I have just been researching the 5 ships that came from Northern Ireland in 1718. What I found was the following: 1. Often clan sites had information. For example, Clan Boyd had a large amount of information with names and places of that period. I then used those to find other materials in Ireland. 2. a Scotch Irish Pioneers in Ulster and America site gave me records for Ulster and in particular Londonderry. tI found this through the Clan Boyd site: http://clanboyd.info/outsideusa/ireland/history/sipioneers/ 3. Another site with place names and such was Newcomers in the Bay Colony http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/8049/saga/bk6ch36.html 4. Another site gave me background material on Scotch Irish in Ulster and America http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/1968/scotirsh.htm as did the McMurphy Family Origins homepage http://www.fidnet.com/~mcmurfy1/ 5. BBC - History - Has more information and names as well as a direction(s) to go in. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/timelines/ni/siege_derry.shtml 6 US-IMMIGRANTS-PRE-1800-L Scot-Irish from Ulster to Boston http://achiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/US-IMMIGRANTS-PRE-1800/2001-11/1006284780 7. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle/Boston/ Information about Scot-Irish after landing in Boston. The ~merle came from a broader base as follows: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle/History/index.htm 8. Bann Valley genealogical date http://www.4qd.org/virtual/www.4qd.org/bann/books/Kilrea02.html was a site I used to find a relative. 9.THE SYMINTON FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY NEWSLETTER also had bits and pieces of material appropriate to my person Ulster research. http://www.geocities.com/symingtonfhs/Iss7m.html describes the conditions of one of the five ships that put in and wintered at Casco Bay, Portland, Maine. 10. The Nesmith Library - Naesmyth.com is in New Hampshire, place where many Scot-Irish orginally settled. For a variety of reasons, these people emigrated from there south to Pennsylvania and below. This page gave me a clear understanding of the Scot-Irish at the beginning and a possible solution to the origins of Thomas Crook, my ancestor. http://www.naesmyth.com/nesmith_library.htm I found all of this when I set out to determine the passenger lists of the 1718, 5 ships who petitioned Gov. Shute of Massachusetts. I have found that researching the history of my ancestor often leads to real records because I find places and more known names that have information on site. It also helps to understand the background or the history of the immigration when evaluating material. I hope this helps you in some way. Suzanne Welles

Does anyone out there have any info on the name of Beamish from Cork, most particularly a Francis Beamish that emigrated to Canada. I will be visiting Ireland in October, any suggestions as to where I can hook up with some of the Beamish history ??? Thanks, Betty Goldstein gggrandaughter of Francis Beamish and Jane Woods [email protected]

If anyone has access to the Griffith could they check for CRONIN in County Cork, I am checking for a Willaim Cronin, possibly a GGG father . Cannot remember the name of the town to send for records and what church/parish would be in vicinity. I do remember driving thru the area last year when in Ireland, on the road heading W. thru the town of Millstreet toward Killarney, as the main road from kanturl/Mallow to Killarney was under road work. It was very rainy when I got to the area nd no one available at the church there to ask. Very small sign on side of road, and almost mised it in the rain. Thank you. Pat

I have a little bit of information on Cronin's in that area- but not for a William. Were there any other names you have? ( I do not have Grffiths info- I descended from the O'learys and they lived around the Cronins in Cork County Millstreet area.- and a couple of the Cronin's married in with the O'learys) Kathy

Ulster province is North Ireland. I believe there are five counties in North Ireland: Armagh, Down, Antrim, Londonderry, and Tyrone. It would seem like if you sign up for all five counties, you would have Ulster. Does anyone know of a shorter way? Jim Cassilly ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:22 AM Subject: [IRL~ROOTS] List for Ulster information > Does anyone on the list have a suggestion as to which Rootsweb list is best > for researching Ulster genealogy? According to Rootsweb, there is no > individual list exclusively for this province. Is there a Scotch-Irish list > which would possibly cover this? > Thanks, > Margery Borger > Sacramento, CA >

Marjory, Thank you so much for this information. I know about INS papers now because I work for the State of New York, but I never realized they had something like that back then. Again thank you, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marjory Watts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 12:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRL~ROOTS] McCarthy, Higgins, Hughes, Horan > Most people who wished to have full participation in their new homeland, > file(ed) for an "Intent to Naturalize" form, which gave information about > them, where born, when, all members of family who accompanied them,, wife & > children - with same information. A residency period was established at 5 > years, and this is still in effect, but intent was filed earlier. I don't > know when we started having Naturalization ceremonies as we do now, when the > people have completed learning the Consitutution, Bill of Rights, etc. In > early County Court records after the Revolutionary War, it is not uncommon > for a man's request to give up his allegience to his former country and > swear allegiance to America. My Grandfather filed in the Superior Court, in > Erie Co., NY, in Nov. 1922, and was accepted in March 1928. These are > documents issued by the U.S. Department of Labor, Naturalization Services. > You might be able to pull up a web site for your county that would give you > the needed information. Duplicates of ALL are filed in Washington at > citedlocation. I have found entries for an individual in the early 1800's in > the Co. of my residence in TN, which simply stated that the man was from - > Ireland, or wherever, and swears to give up fidelity for his former homeland > and swears allegience to this country. > > Erei----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat & Bob Belterman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL~ROOTS] McCarthy, Higgins, Hughes, Horan > > > > No I haven't. This is the first I have heard of this. What is it and > where > > would I be able to find it. County offices or churches? And would they > > have records back to the mid 1800's? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marjory Watts" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [IRL~ROOTS] McCarthy, Higgins, Hughes, Horan > > > > > > > Have you tried to locate "Intent to Naturalize" papers in Columbia Co., > > NY? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Pat & Bob Belterman" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:32 PM > > > Subject: [IRL~ROOTS] McCarthy, Higgins, Hughes, Horan > > > > > > > > > I am fairly new to genealogy so please bare with me. > > > > My grandfather was Patrick James McCarthy, born 1887 in Columbia County, > New > > York State, USA. My ggrandparents were James E McCarthy and Jane (Jennie) > A > > Higgins also born in New York State, USA. > > > > Now my question, how do I find where my gggrandparents Patrick McCarthy, > > Catherine Horan, Patrick Higgins and Kate Hughes were born? All the > > paperwork I have just say Ireland as place of birth. > > > > Where do I go from here? Everyone who could answer these questions are > > deceased. At an early age, I might add. > > > > Mother - Jane Mary (McCarthy) Hoffman - d age 51 > > Ggrandfather - Patrick James McCarthy - d age 32 > > Gggrandmother - Jane A (Higgins) McCarthy - d age 46 > > Gggrandfather - James McCarthy - d age 37 > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated > > > > Patricia Belterman > > Stuyvesant NY USA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > > > Raise both hands and repeat after me: > > > > We will not initiate or participate in any discussions about any kind > of > > > VIRUS or SPAM messages on this list. > > > > To do so will result in your removal from the list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > > Check out the sister sites to this mailing list at the links shown below: > > Boards > Topics > Immigration > United States > Irish immigrants > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=an&p=topics.immigration.us.iri > sh > > & > > Boards > Topics > Ethnic / Race > Irish > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=topics.ethnic.irish > > & > > Boards > Localities > United Kingdom and Ireland > General > > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.britisles.gene > ral > > > > ______________________________