Hi, can someone unsubscribe me plz i have done it a few times but i keep getting emails i thought maybe you have to do it internally or something thanks heaps Robin -------Original Message------- From: CCMILLER Date: 05/04/05 21:58:57 To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-Roots] Will someone PLEASE help me with MILLERs? I have no idea how to proceed further. All I know is that my Robert MILLER b. about 1690-1710 died Mecklenburg NC 1765. He had come there from eastern shore of MD. Prior to MD he came from Ireland and his son Nathaniel was born in Ireland 1738. Very likely his children Elizabeth, Hannah, Robert Jr., John, James, Mary were also born in the old country. His spouse is Mary but is likely a second wife not born in Ireland but in MD. I know nothing about Clans or Septs or whatever that MILLERs might have come from and or whether that is a firm rule or not anyway. Anyone care to guide me even a short ways to get me started in Irish research.?? Charles 7 times in the Bible God has commanded us to Honor our fathers and mothers. How can we do that if we don't study, find and know who our grandmothers and grandfathers are? ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx .

I think it matters if you subscribe to the digest version or the individual version but I'll unsub you first thing. Beth Cherkowsky "I try to take one day at a time -- but sometimes several days attack me at once." eBay seller id = woadieland and queenoftheinternetauctions MY eBay Store:= http://stores.ebay.com/Action-Figure-Alley?refid=stores My website = http://members.aol.com/cougartoys/alley.html -----Original Message----- From: Sunkistaussie [mailto:sunkistaussie@westnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:24 AM To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Will someone PLEASE help me with MILLERs? Hi, can someone unsubscribe me plz i have done it a few times but i keep getting emails i thought maybe you have to do it internally or something thanks heaps Robin -------Original Message------- From: CCMILLER Date: 05/04/05 21:58:57 To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-Roots] Will someone PLEASE help me with MILLERs? I have no idea how to proceed further. All I know is that my Robert MILLER b. about 1690-1710 died Mecklenburg NC 1765. He had come there from eastern shore of MD. Prior to MD he came from Ireland and his son Nathaniel was born in Ireland 1738. Very likely his children Elizabeth, Hannah, Robert Jr., John, James, Mary were also born in the old country. His spouse is Mary but is likely a second wife not born in Ireland but in MD. I know nothing about Clans or Septs or whatever that MILLERs might have come from and or whether that is a firm rule or not anyway. Anyone care to guide me even a short ways to get me started in Irish research.?? Charles 7 times in the Bible God has commanded us to Honor our fathers and mothers. How can we do that if we don't study, find and know who our grandmothers and grandfathers are? ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx . ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Because for some reason All caps is easier for them to see. It's not just a matter of size, it's got something to do with perception for some folks. THE capitals are much more clearly delineated in most fonts. Beth Cherkowsky researching Bradley in Co. Donegal, Donahue/Donohue, Boylan, McHugh, Manning/Mannion & Forrester in Co. Mayo, Fountas in Greece, Cerkauskas in Lithuanian, -----Original Message----- From: Mmmvk1@aol.com [mailto:Mmmvk1@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:43 AM To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-Roots] Capt. Letters Hi anyone who is having a problem reading normal font - letter- size instead of using all capitals why not just increase your size of your letters in the mailings ? Correct me if im wrong . marg ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Everytime I unsubscribe (and it works fine) I put the single word unsubscribe in the Subject line and also the same single word in the body. No other words or characters. (also, no re:[Irish-Roots] in the Subject line. Jim Robinson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sunkistaussie" <sunkistaussie@westnet.com.au> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:24 AM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Will someone PLEASE help me with MILLERs? > > > Hi, can someone unsubscribe me plz i have done it a few times but i keep > getting emails

Hello, I am also researching the Miller name, and I have gotten back as far as Jason Miller who was listed in a census as being of English descent but we have never been able to find where. He had a son Lawrence Miller born 1790 somewhere in Pa., we think in Lycoming Co. and I have his family down to myself but our connection across to either England or Ireland has never been located. If I can be of further help, please let me know. Marge

Robin, this was the info sent to me when I first signed on with this list. hope it helps you! 1. How to unsubscribe. Send a message to IRELAND-ROOTS-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe and no additional text. Carol -----Original Message----- From: Sunkistaussie [mailto:sunkistaussie@westnet.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 7:24 AM To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Will someone PLEASE help me with MILLERs? Hi, can someone unsubscribe me plz i have done it a few times but i keep getting emails i thought maybe you have to do it internally or something thanks heaps Robin -------Original Message------- From: CCMILLER Date: 05/04/05 21:58:57 To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-Roots] Will someone PLEASE help me with MILLERs? I have no idea how to proceed further. All I know is that my Robert MILLER b. about 1690-1710 died Mecklenburg NC 1765. He had come there from eastern shore of MD. Prior to MD he came from Ireland and his son Nathaniel was born in Ireland 1738. Very likely his children Elizabeth, Hannah, Robert Jr., John, James, Mary were also born in the old country. His spouse is Mary but is likely a second wife not born in Ireland but in MD. I know nothing about Clans or Septs or whatever that MILLERs might have come from and or whether that is a firm rule or not anyway. Anyone care to guide me even a short ways to get me started in Irish research.?? Charles 7 times in the Bible God has commanded us to Honor our fathers and mothers. How can we do that if we don't study, find and know who our grandmothers and grandfathers are? ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx . ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Margie Thanx for responding! Yes, My MILLERs indicate from their estate files that they were from Scotland by the many books from scotland in their estate goods. I have always thiought they came from Scotland to Northern Ireland to get to a port of embarkation or whatever then on to Maryland. Clan McFarlane it is then; Thanx, Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: <MSatter195@aol.com> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Irish-Roots] Will someone PLEASE help me with MILLERs? > Charles, > I know nothing about the Irish Millers but the Scottish Millers are a sept > of > Clan McFarlane. If your ancestor was in Northern Ireland where a lot of > the > Scots came to then it is possible that he was a Scot. My Rusk came from > Scotland and married an Irish gal and had children there before they came > to USA. > > Happy Hunting > Margie > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Charles, I know nothing about the Irish Millers but the Scottish Millers are a sept of Clan McFarlane. If your ancestor was in Northern Ireland where a lot of the Scots came to then it is possible that he was a Scot. My Rusk came from Scotland and married an Irish gal and had children there before they came to USA. Happy Hunting Margie

Hi anyone who is having a problem reading normal font - letter- size instead of using all capitals why not just increase your size of your letters in the mailings ? Correct me if im wrong . marg

I have no idea how to proceed further. All I know is that my Robert MILLER b. about 1690-1710 died Mecklenburg NC 1765. He had come there from eastern shore of MD. Prior to MD he came from Ireland and his son Nathaniel was born in Ireland 1738. Very likely his children Elizabeth, Hannah, Robert Jr., John, James, Mary were also born in the old country. His spouse is Mary but is likely a second wife not born in Ireland but in MD. I know nothing about Clans or Septs or whatever that MILLERs might have come from and or whether that is a firm rule or not anyway. Anyone care to guide me even a short ways to get me started in Irish research.?? Charles 7 times in the Bible God has commanded us to Honor our fathers and mothers. How can we do that if we don't study, find and know who our grandmothers and grandfathers are?

Dear List members: You can all agree about capital letters if you wish. However as the moderator, I choose to tolerate that because there are some sight-impaired members of this list that can NOT see the lower case letters as well or even at all.. So, like the nuns used to say in school "Offer it up". It's a small irritant for most of us and it allows more people to access the info. That being said, if you're not one of the sight-impaired and you're doing that, you should know it's considered "RUDE" to use all caps on mailing lists. It's termed "shouting". Knock it off. In the future, if you have a problem with another member's "behavior", please contact me via the moderator's link at the bottom, rather than wasting bandwidth with complaints. Let's get back to the subject matter - our Irish roots...some of which were "sight-impaired". Anyone spending Mother's day in Ireland? Beth Cherkowsky "I try to take one day at a time -- but sometimes several days attack me at once." eBay seller id = woadieland and queenoftheinternetauctions MY eBay Store:= http://stores.ebay.com/Action-Figure-Alley?refid=stores My website = http://members.aol.com/cougartoys/alley.html -----Original Message----- From: Mmmvk1@aol.com [mailto:Mmmvk1@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:50 PM To: IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Irish-Roots] Capital Letters I agree with Jim Robinson capital letters drive my eyes crasy also ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== Plant your Irish roots here! ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I agree with Jim Robinson capital letters drive my eyes crasy also

Can anyone tell me what was happening then,my gggg grandfather,James Hartley was born there in 1765,his brother William a seaman in 1761,there sister Janet in 1773,possibly farming people in 1795 they are all found in Newton Stewart Penningham Wigton. James was the head of the family at a farm called Drumdee Mochrum,he married Margaret Thomson,William and there sister Janet settled in Hillhead. What we don't know in where in Ireland they came from,and why they left Ireland in the first place,what was Ireland like in say 1790/5. Thanks John

Have you subscribed to Ulster Ancestry and geneology they are free sites _http://www.ulsterancestry.com/_ (http://www.ulsterancestry.com/) also send message or subscribe _antrim@irishgenealogy.net_ (mailto:antrim@irishgenealogy.net) Pam In a message dated 02/05/2005 21:58:43 GMT Standard Time, Nollymor@aol.com writes: I have been trying for some time now to find my McKay ancestors from Armagh. I've even had a search done by Armagh with no luck, so I thought I would try this list to see if it is any more successful. The family were hawkers by trade and seemed to travel back and forth to Scotland from Ireland before finally settling in and around Blairgowrie in Perthshire. They sold linen and tweed from their packs which they peddled from door to door. Although some of them married into the Scots Travelling people they did not work the land ,make tinware or pearl fish. They were also settled in houses and did not live on the road as the Scots Travelling people did. I only mention this as information to anyone who can help. My gr gr gr grandparents were Daniel McKay b c1800 m Agnes Reilly in Ireland their children were :- Daniel McKay b1830 Armagh d 06/05/1899 Blairgowrie m Catherine McManus b 1830 Derry d 22/02/1891 Blairgowrie John McKay b 1820 Armagh m Agnes Bradley Ireland Edward McKay b 1831 Armagh d 15/02/1896 Dundee m Frances McManus 1850 Murthly Perthshire d 03/10/1909 Dundee Mary McKay b1832 Armagh m Edward O'neill Bradford England 26/12/1850 Frances and Catherine's mother Sarah Molloy b c1800 Ireland d11/05/1882 Blairgowrie. married Richard McKay b 1800 Armagh d 1897 Blairgowrie I think Richard may have been a cousin of Daniel McKay . All very confusing working out relationships between them Richard was a bit of a poet and I've seen him mentioned in Irish song books as the Antim Bard . He is reputed to have written Sweet Carnlough Bay and others . He and his wife had the following children :- Margaret b 1835 Armagh Felix b1838 Armagh m Jane Sturrock 09/05/1859 Blairgowrie d 03/02/1875 Auchtergaven Perthshire Peter McKay b 1845 Armagh m Jane Condell 31/05/1869 d11/03/1904 Blairgowrie Betsy McKay b 1841 Armagh Can anybody point me in right direction to place this family in a more exact location in Armagh. Living in hope . Mary in Scotland

Listers: I am trying to find out information on this HARTNETT family in East Cork. I would appreciate any information or leads. Thanks for you time. Bill Dorgan EMAIL: bdorgan@bellsouth.net WEB SITE: www.billdorgan.com Descendants of Denis Hartnett Generation No. 1 1. Denis1 Hartnett was born Abt. 1800 in Kilmahon Parish, Ballybraher, County Cork, Ireland. Denis Hartnett came from Kilmahon, Ballybraher, County Cork, Ireland. He was a farmer who had 20 acres, 7 perches and 2 acres, 3 roods, 36 perches. The Hartnett's may have been originally from Monagurra, Shanagarry. Children of Denis Hartnett are: 2 i. James2 Hartnett, born in Kilmahon Parish, Ballylongane, County Cork, Ireland. James Hartnett came from Kilmahon, Ballylongane, County Cork, Ireland. Ballylongane is between Shanagarry and Garryvoe. He was a farmer who had 24 acres, 3 roods, 9 perches and 2 acres, 1 rood, 11 perches. 3 ii. Patrick Hartnett, born in Kilmahon Parish, Monagurra, County Cork, Ireland. Patrick Hartnett came from Kilmahon, Monagurra. Monagurra is an adjoining townland to Ballybraher. He was a farmer who had Herd's house and 15 acres, 4 perches, and 42 acres, 17 perches. + 4 iii. John Hartnett, born Abt. 1830 in Garryvoe, Garryvoe Lower, Parish of Cloyne, County Cork, Ireland. Generation No. 2 4. John2 Hartnett (Denis1) was born Abt. 1830 in Garryvoe, Garryvoe Lower, Parish of Cloyne, County Cork, Ireland. He married Mary Duhig. She was born Abt. 1830. Notes for John Hartnett: According to Griffith's Valuation of 1851-1853, there were many HARTNETTs listed in the Parishes surrounding Ballycotton, but there is only one listed in Garryvoe: JOHN HARTNETT, Garryvoe location, Garryvoe Lower. He is the father of Mary Hartnett, the wife of Patrick J. Dorgan. He owned 19 acres, 26 perches and 1 acre, 2 roods, 30 perches. There are other HARTNETTs: Denis, James, and Patrick. One of these HARTNETTs perhaps Denis, was the grandfather of Mary Hartnett and the other two were her father's brothers, her uncles. Denis HARTNETT belonged to the parish of Kilmahon in Ballybraher. He had 20 acres, 7 perches and 2 acres, 3 roods, 36 perches. James HARTNETT belonged to the parish of Kilmahon in Ballylongane. He had 24 acres, 3 roods, 9 perches and 2 acres, 1 rood, 11 perches. Patrick HARTNETT belonged to the parish of Kilmahon in Monagurra. He had Herd's house and 15 acres, 4 perches and 42 acres, 17 perches. Monagurra and Ballybraher are adjoining townlands while Ballylongane is between Shanagarry and Garryvoe. The 1766 census of Cloyne has one "HARNETT". His religion is noted as Papist". There are no HARTNETTs listed in Ballybraher or Carrigkilter. There is a John Hartnett listed in Ballycotton and several Hartnett's in or around Ballyandreen. John Hartnett is listed as the father of Mary Catherine Hartnett on her death certificate. The HARTNETTs are most likely buried in the Mogeely Cemetery. More About John Hartnett: Occupation: Labourer Notes for Mary Duhig: Mary Duhig (Duffy in English) most likely came from Ballymacoda. She is listed on the death certificate of Mary Catherine Hartnett, her daughter. Children of John Hartnett and Mary Duhig are: + 5 i. Ellen T.3 Hartnett, born in Garryvoe, County Cork, Ireland. + 6 ii. Mary Catherine Hartnett, born 16 May 1869 in Garryvoe, County Cork, Ireland; died 23 Nov 1950 in Warwick, Rhode Island. + 7 iii. James Hartnett, born in Garryvoe, County Cork, Ireland. Generation No. 3 5. Ellen T.3 Hartnett (John2, Denis1) was born in Garryvoe, County Cork, Ireland. She married John O'Brien 17 Nov 1910 in Providence, Rhode Island. Children of Ellen Hartnett and John O'Brien are: 8 i. Marie C.4 O'Brien. Marie C. O'Brien was a school teacher who never married. She died in Warwick Rhode Island. 9 ii. John O'Brien. John O'Brien worked with the Pentagon with the US Navy. 6. Mary Catherine3 Hartnett (John2, Denis1) was born 16 May 1869 in Garryvoe County Cork, Ireland, and died 23 Nov 1950 in Warwick, Rhode Island. She married Patrick J. Dorgan 26 Nov 1886 in Cloyne RC Church, Cloyne, County Cork, Ireland, son of Patrick Dargan and Ann Flynn. He was born 26 Apr 1860 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, Parish of Cloyne, County Cork, Ireland, and died 09 Dec 1937 in Cranston, Rhode Island. More About Mary Catherine Hartnett: Baptism: 16 May 1869, Church of Cloyne; Sponsors: Thomas Harnett and Mary McCarthy Emigration: 09 Jun 1897, Sailed from Queenstown (Cobh), Cork, Munster, Ireland to Ellis Island, New York on board the White Star Line Ship Teutonic" Last Irish Residence: 1897, Midleton, Cork, Ireland Children of Mary Hartnett and Patrick Dorgan are: + 10 i. Anne Theresa4 Dorgan, born 24 Apr 1887 in Churchtown South, Cloyne, County Cork, Ireland; died 01 Jun 1976 in Warwick, Rhode Island 02888. + 11 ii. Michael Joseph Dorgan, born 25 Feb 1889 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton County Cork, Ireland; died 10 Aug 1967 in Hooksett, New Hamshire. 12 iii. Patrick Francis Dorgan, born 28 May 1891 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton County Cork, Ireland; died 08 Apr 1969 in Providence, Rhode Island. Baptism: May 28, 1891, Church of Ballycotton, Diocese of Cloyne. Sponsors: Thomas Smiddy(Ballybraher) and Mary Healy (His father's sister). Burial: April 11, 1969, St. Ann's Cemetery, Cranston, RI 13 iv. David Andrew Dorgan, born 09 Sep 1893 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, County Cork, Ireland; died 04 Oct 1984 in Providence, RI 02905. He married Ellen Margaret Doorley 05 Nov 1919; born 09 Oct 1897 in Providence, Rhode Island; died 06 Nov 1992 in North Providence, RI 02911. Baptism: 09 Sep 1893 Church of Ballycotton, Diocese of Cloyne. Sponsors: John Shinnick (His father's sister Elizabeth's husband) and Mary Healy (His father's sister Mary's daughter who married Maurice Meaney).Burial: St. Francis Cemetery, Pawtucket, RI 14 v. John Joseph Dorgan, born 16 Dec 1895 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, Parish of Cloyne, County Cork, Ireland; died in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, Parish of Cloyne, County Cork, Ireland. John Joseph Dorgan died in infancy, probably right after his baptism. Baptised by:: Rev. J. Browne. Baptism: 22 Dec 1895, Church of Ballycotton, Diocese of Cloyne. Sponsors: Patrick Shinnick (Probably John Shinnick's brother) and Anna Healy (John Healy's sister). + 15 vi. William Joseph Dorgan, born 11 Apr 1897 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton County Cork, Ireland; died 22 Feb 1983 in Warwick, RI 02889. 16 vii. Timothy Joseph Dorgan, born 17 Jun 1902 in Providence, RI; died 17 Apr 1903 in Providence, RI. Timothy Joseph Dorgan died at 10 months. Baptised by: Rev. John Dunne, Saint Patrick's Church, Providence, Rhode Island. Baptism: 29 June 1902. Sponsors: Michael Hartnett (Probably a cousin of Mary Catherine Hartnett) and Margaret Cunningham (unknown relationship). + 17 viii. Mary Catherine Dorgan, born 19 Mar 1905 in Providence, RI; died 20 Dec 1996 in Cranston, RI 02920. 7. James3 Hartnett (John2, Denis1) was born in Garryvoe, County Cork, Ireland. He married Mary Coleman, daughter of William Coleman and Margaret Canty. She was born in Maytown, Ballycotton, Co. Cork, Ireland. Notes for James Hartnett: James Hartnett was called "The Boss Hartnett" according to Johanna O Keefe-Cashman. Children of James Hartnett and Mary Coleman are: 18 i. Maurice4 Hartnett. 19 ii. Hannah Hartnett. 20 iii. Minnie Hartnett.

I would suggest searching FamilySearch.Org to see what they have on the areas in Ireland you have identified. Then order the films at your local FHL. I have found 2 marriage licenses from 1852 and 1859 in County Antrim. Good hunting. Sandy Cramer Lakeland FL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo DeVlamynck" <jodevlamynck@execulink.com> To: <IRELAND-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: [Irish-Roots] QUINN - Ireland >I have this information from the 1881 census: > > Thomas QUINN 32 general labourer born Ireland > wife Catherine QUINN 30 LH born Ireland > living at No.3 Walter Street off Howard St., Liverppool > > How do I start to find them in Ireland? > Thanks > Jo > Canada > > > ==== IRELAND-ROOTS Mailing List ==== > Plant your Irish roots here! > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > -------------------------------------------- My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com

Is it possible that "Pin" or something similar would be a nickname for Phoebe? I have a letter in which the writer refers to his wife Mary as "Polly" and some other family member as "Pin". One of the daughters is named Phoebe. Is this a possible reference to her in anyone's experience? I am a TOTAL novice in Ireland. Thanks, Jo Canada

I have this information from the 1881 census: Thomas QUINN 32 general labourer born Ireland wife Catherine QUINN 30 LH born Ireland living at No.3 Walter Street off Howard St., Liverppool How do I start to find them in Ireland? Thanks Jo Canada

The 1871 England census shows this family in Bolton, Lancashire: Michael BARBER est birth 1833 Sligo, Ireland Ann wife est birth 1834 Sligo, Ireland Catherine and James, twins est birth 1857 Manchester, Lancashire How do I start to find Michael and Ann in Ireland? Any suggestions greatly appreciated. Jo Canada

I have been trying for some time now to find my McKay ancestors from Armagh. I've even had a search done by Armagh with no luck, so I thought I would try this list to see if it is any more successful. The family were hawkers by trade and seemed to travel back and forth to Scotland from Ireland before finally settling in and around Blairgowrie in Perthshire. They sold linen and tweed from their packs which they peddled from door to door. Although some of them married into the Scots Travelling people they did not work the land ,make tinware or pearl fish. They were also settled in houses and did not live on the road as the Scots Travelling people did. I only mention this as information to anyone who can help. My gr gr gr grandparents were Daniel McKay b c1800 m Agnes Reilly in Ireland their children were :- Daniel McKay b1830 Armagh d 06/05/1899 Blairgowrie m Catherine McManus b 1830 Derry d 22/02/1891 Blairgowrie John McKay b 1820 Armagh m Agnes Bradley Ireland Edward McKay b 1831 Armagh d 15/02/1896 Dundee m Frances McManus 1850 Murthly Perthshire d 03/10/1909 Dundee Mary McKay b1832 Armagh m Edward O'neill Bradford England 26/12/1850 Frances and Catherine's mother Sarah Molloy b c1800 Ireland d11/05/1882 Blairgowrie. married Richard McKay b 1800 Armagh d 1897 Blairgowrie I think Richard may have been a cousin of Daniel McKay . All very confusing working out relationships between them Richard was a bit of a poet and I've seen him mentioned in Irish song books as the Antim Bard . He is reputed to have written Sweet Carnlough Bay and others . He and his wife had the following children :- Margaret b 1835 Armagh Felix b1838 Armagh m Jane Sturrock 09/05/1859 Blairgowrie d 03/02/1875 Auchtergaven Perthshire Peter McKay b 1845 Armagh m Jane Condell 31/05/1869 d11/03/1904 Blairgowrie Betsy McKay b 1841 Armagh Can anybody point me in right direction to place this family in a more exact location in Armagh. Living in hope . Mary in Scotland