dear pat, i will give it to you, you are a dilligent one. i am no newcomer to this...been to ireland, copied thousands of documents( the mormon church is waiting on my paperwork for one name and all the surrounding documents). great-greargrandparents -william tait and easther brown. 1815 circa-birth- ireland. anyway, tell me what you know of the religious census records, please. years, locales, dates, etc. and/or do any undertakers/morticians/ records exist? on the names tait/taye/taitt/taite, etc! and brown/browne, etc. thanks, j.tait, one of the gr-gr-grandchildren of william tait and easther brown. as far as "helping" is concerned, i can list 16 different families ( of the name tait/tate, etc. not related to me) that i have helped (with my records) find their roots in ireland, scotland , america and canada.

> > > tell me what you know of the religious census records, please. years, locales, dates, etc > From: Irish Records, Sources for Family and Local History by James Ryan "In several dioceses and in some parishes, censuses of parishioners were taken, in some cases for ecclesiatical administration purposes and in others for security reasons (since Catholic or 'popish' was at many times in Irish history equated to 'rebel'). The censuses vary widely in quality and accuracy. Copies are held in various archives and have been published in several sources. Perhaps the largest such census was commissioned in 1766, when each Church of Ireland minister was requested to provide a listing of the members of each denomination in his parish. Although some were completed as requested, many ministers provided only the details on Church of Ireland parishioners, and omitted Catholics, Presbyterians, etc. Others provided a complete survey of all local inhabitants, including family names and the numbers of children in the household." John Grenham adds in his, Tracing Your Irish Ancestors: "...All of the original returns were lost in 1922, but extensive transcripts survive for some areas and are deposited with various institutions. The only full listing of all surviving transcripts and abstracts is in the National Archives reading room on the open shelves. The following is from both Grenham and Ryan books (they actually differ) and is a listing of existing records for the 1766 census, by county and parish (civil), LDS Family history film # if noted: Antrim: Ahoghill, Ballynure LDS film #1279330; Ballintoy #258517 Armagh: Creggan, #100173 Cavan: Kinawley, Lavey, Lurgan, Munterconnaught, #258517, 100173 Cork: Aghabulloge, Aghada, Ardagh, Ballintemple, Ballyhay, Ballynoe, Carrigdownane, Carrigrohanebeg, Castlelyons, Castletownroche, Churchtown, Clenor, Clondrohid, Clondulane, Clonfert, Clonmeen, Clonmult, Clonpriest, Cloyne, Coole, Farahy, Garrycloyne, Glanworth, Grenagh, Ightermurragh, Imphrick, Inishcarra, Kildorrery, Kilmahon, Kilmichael, Kilnamartry, Kilshannig, Kilworth, Knockmourne, Lisgoold, Litter, Macroney, Macroom, Magourney, Mallow, Marshalstown, Matehy, Middleton, Mogeely, Moureabbey, Rathbarry, Ringrone, Roskeen, Shandrum, St Nathlash, Templemologa, Whitechurch, Youghal film #'s: 101781, 100173 Derry: Artrea, Desertlyn, Magherafelt, Bovevagh, Derryloran, Desertmartin, Ballynascreen, Banagher, Dungiven, Drumachose, Comber, Donaghedy, Inch; # 258517, 100173, 1279330 Donegal: Donaghmore, Derry Down: Kilbroney, Seapatrick, Lurgan, Inch, Shankill; #1279330 Dublin: Crumlin, Castleknock; #258517 Fermanagh: Derryvullan, Devenish, Kinawley, Rossory, Boho; #100193, 100173, 258517 Kildare: Ballybought, Ballymore-Eustace, Clonaghlis, Coghlanstown, Tipperkevin, Yeaganstown, Kilrush, Ballycommon; #0100173 Kilkenny: Portnascully; #100158 Laois: Lea; #258517 Limerick: Abington, Ardcanny, Cahiromey, Cahirelly, Carrigparson, Clonkeen, Kilkellane, Tuough, Clonagh, Croagh, Dondaniel, Kilscannel, Nantinan, Rathkeale; #258517; Limerick Diocese; #100212 Longford: Abbeylara, Russagh; #258517 Louth: Ardee, Ballymachkinny, Beaulieu, Carlingford, Charlestown, Clonkeehan, Creegan, Darver, Drogheda, Dromiskin, Kildemock, Kileshiel, Louth, Mapastown, Phillipstown, Shanlis, Smarmore, Stickallen, Tallonstown, Termonfecken, Creggan; #990411, 1279330 Meath: Ardbraccan, Churchtown, Liscartan, Martry, Rataine; #258517, 100173 Offaly: Ballycommon; #100173, 258517 Tipperary: Ardmayle, Athassel, Ballintemple, Ballingarry, Ballygriffin, Ballysheehan, Boytonrath, Brickendown, Bruis, Cashel, Castletownarra, Clerihan, Clonbeg, Cloneen, Clonoulty, Cloonbulloge, Clonpet, Colman, CordanGan, Corrogue, Cullen, Dangandargan, Drum, Ballycahill, Templebeg, Duntryleague, Erry, Fethard, Crompes, Coolmunddry, Gaile, Grean, Horeabbey, Killardry, Killbrugh, Killea, Kilconnell, Kilfeacle, Killevinogue, Knockgraffon, Killnerath, Kiltynan, Lattin, Magorban, Mealiffe, New Chapel, Oughterliege, Pepperstown, Railstown, Rathcoole, Rathleyny, Relickmurry, Redcity, Shronell, Solloghodmore, Solloghodbeg, Templemore, Templeneiry, Templenoe, Tipperary, Toom, Toon, Donaghill, Uskeane, Youghalarra; #100213, 100224 (many of these are transcribed and on http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip/records.htm) Tyrone: Aghalow, Arrea, Carnteel, Derryloran, Drumglass, Dungannon, Kildress, Tullyniskan, Donaghendry, Errigal Keerogue: #258517 Waterford: Killoteran, Waterford City; #100158 Westmeath: Russagh; #258517 Wexford: Ballynaslaney, Edermine; #258517 Wicklow: Ballymaslaney, Dunganstown, Rathdrum, Drumkay, Kilpoole, Rathnew; #100173, 258517 The above information was taken from both cited books and at times the books don't agree. I have listed all the parishes from both books even if they were only in one book and not the other. Some of the censuses only cover Protestants, so just Catholic, some all. You won't know unless you check a resource book or the film. Before ordering the film, please to the the FamilySearch.org website and check exactly what is on the film. Not all parishes listed are on the film mentioned. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

Hi List and esp. Nestor Bear, Wondered if you have run into my Brown connection? My Irish immigrants were .......Joseph FULTON and Winnifred "Winnie/Winney (nee BROWN, we believe) from Belfast, Antrim IRE. We know that the third child was born in the US, IL, as were the other younger children. That would put their immigration about 1860. They were both protestant, as far as we know. The name JOHNSTON may be a related name. Winnefred's mother may have been named Kelly (first or last?) FULTON Joseph, b. 11 June1829 in Belfast, Antrim IRE; d. 7 April 1881 in Mokena, Will Co. IL Winnifred, b. 1828 in Belfast IRE or England ?; d. 25 April 1875 in Will Co. IL children: 1. Sarah J., b. abt 1852 in IL/IRE ?; d. IL ?; m. Frank MORIARITY 2. Matilda, b. abt. 1855 ? in IL/IRE ?; d. IL ?; m. Tom FULTON 3. John, b. 1861 in IL; d. 1881 & buried Marshall Cem. in Mokena, Will Co. IL 4. Elizabeth (Eliza ?), b. 1863 in IL; m. George MORIARITY 5. Joseph, b. 1866 in IL; m. Genevieve Beatrice nee ? 6. Samuel Johnston, b. 8 May 1869 in (Mokena ?) Will Co. IL; d. 12 March 1863 in Joliet, Will Co. IL in his easy chair at home and in good health for someone nearly 94. He was waiting for his eldest dau. to fix him breakfast. m. Nancy Eliza HATCH b. 27 June 1894 of Mokena, Will Co. IL Any help would be greatly appreciated...... Tricia M. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 12:25 AM Subject: Re: [ROLL CALL] 1901 & 1911 Ireland censuses dear pat, i will give it to you, you are a dilligent one. i am no newcomer to this...been to ireland, copied thousands of documents( the mormon church is waiting on my paperwork for one name and all the surrounding documents). great-greargrandparents -william tait and easther brown. 1815 circa-birth-ireland. anyway, tell me what you know of the religious census records, please. years, locales, dates, etc. and/or do any undertakers/morticians/ records exist? on the names tait/taye/taitt/taite, etc! and brown/browne, etc. thanks, j.tait, one of the gr-gr-grandchildren of william tait and easther brown. as far as "helping" is concerned, i can list 16 different families (of the name tait/tate, etc. not related to me) that i have helped (with my records) find their roots in ireland, scotland , america and canada.