This is like trying to find a needle in a haystack, but it's worth a try. Laurence RYAN, born Ireland (not confirmed) Mary MCCLOUD or MCLEOD, born Ireland, county unknown. I'm assuming that they married, more probable in the US, but possibly Ireland, if both were in fact born there. My guess is that they married in the 1850's. My great grandmother, Ellen RYAN, (possibly Mary Ellen) was born to them in 1860, somewhere in Ohio. I suspect that "Ellen" might have been her middle name because her mothers name was Mary, and Ellen's firstborn was named Mary Ellen. Ellen's middle initial shows as "M" on of the census records I have. They lived in Illinois at some point, where I believe Ellen spent her childhood. Ellen, aka Nellie, shows up on the 1880 census in Cincinatti, Ohio. I have her marriage certificate from St. Xavier's Church dated November 1880. She married William MARTIN, an immigrant from England, who at the time of the marriage was working at Hunt's Hotel in Cincinnati. (1880 census) Sometime before October 1881, they moved to New York City, where their first child was born. I've got the trail covered from 1880 on for Ellen, William and their children, but have not been able to get back prior to that with any kind of paper trail. William MARTIN is a total mystery. His parents are named as William and Mary MARTIN, both born in England. I tried several birth records for the timeframe of William's birth, to no avail. The family says he was from Liverpool, but I haven't been able to find anything on him. It's been a struggle working with such common names, but I'm trying. Any help or stabs in the dark would be appreciated. Lori McBride-Nichols

HI Lori, On the marriage certificate does it mention William's age ? That would help in looking back through the census. Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori McBride-Nichols" <GenealogySearch@msn.com> To: <ireland-roll-calls@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:23 AM Subject: [IRELAND-ROLL-CALLS] RYAN & MCCLOUD/MCLEOD > This is like trying to find a needle in a haystack, but it's worth a try. > > > Laurence RYAN, born Ireland (not confirmed) > > Mary MCCLOUD or MCLEOD, born Ireland, county unknown. > > I'm assuming that they married, more probable in the US, but possibly > Ireland, if both were in fact born there. My guess is that they married > in the 1850's. > > My great grandmother, Ellen RYAN, (possibly Mary Ellen) was born to them > in 1860, somewhere in Ohio. I suspect that "Ellen" might have been her > middle name because her mothers name was Mary, and Ellen's firstborn was > named Mary Ellen. Ellen's middle initial shows as "M" on of the census > records I have. They lived in Illinois at some point, where I believe > Ellen spent her childhood. > > Ellen, aka Nellie, shows up on the 1880 census in Cincinatti, Ohio. I > have her marriage certificate from St. Xavier's Church > dated November 1880. She married William MARTIN, an immigrant from > England, who at the time of the marriage was working > at Hunt's Hotel in Cincinnati. (1880 census) Sometime before October > 1881, they moved to New York City, where their first child was born. > > I've got the trail covered from 1880 on for Ellen, William and their > children, but have not been able to get back prior to that with > any kind of paper trail. William MARTIN is a total mystery. His parents > are named as William and Mary MARTIN, both born in England. > I tried several birth records for the timeframe of William's birth, to no > avail. The family says he was from Liverpool, but I haven't been > able to find anything on him. > > It's been a struggle working with such common names, but I'm trying. Any > help or stabs in the dark would be appreciated. > > > Lori McBride-Nichols > > > > > > ====Ireland Roll Calls Mailing List==== > Post your surnames, get them into the lists archives, cousins will find > you. > Don't forget to post your surnames when your data changes! > A good roll call is NOT long but includes: > surname, timeline, place where born, place where emigrated. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-ROLL-CALLS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >