Hi, I am looking for my grandmothers family of Kells. My grandparents were Albert Lucas and Hannah [Hannagh] Kells who were married in Collon, Co. Louth 1906. She was born in Clones, Monaghan in 1876. Her parents were William Kells and Jane Brennan and they were married in Drung Church, Co. Cavan. William Kells parents were Francis Kells m 1847 d 1915 b Redhills and Margaret Johnstone, Francis father was John Kells. I am trying to find out more of Francis Kells as to when and where he was born, as well, who brothers and sisters were, as well as John Kells when he was born and who his parents are. My father came to Canada in 1927. Thank you, Flo

I am looking for any information on my grandfather family, Albert Lucas born c1870 in Co Galway, died in 1923 in Co. Clare, his father, Andrew Lucas from Moyree Common, Ruan, Co. Clare died 1915 wife was Elizabeth Savage, who had several other children , John Savage b c1863, Eli b c1864, Edwin George Savage c1867, Elizabeth Alice & Selina Jane c 1868, Rosanna b1879. My dad's sister, Adelaide [Addie] b1909 d1931 is buried in Co, Cork I am told but have been unable to find her, as well my grandmother, Hannah [Kells] died 1918 in Ross Gray Kings?. Grandfather was with the R.I.C. I would very much like to find these ladies or any other members of this family. My father came to Canada in 1927. Thanks, Flo

County Donegal, grandmother was Sarah, came to U.S. 1900 (?)

Dear Listers: I have a new Web Site for DORGAN researchers: www.billdorgan.com Please visit and sign my guest book. I would appreciate any help with the following: I am looking for any information concerning PATRICK DORGAN (DARGAN) and his wife, ANN FLYNN (c. 1830-1886). PATRICK came from Ballybraher (Carrigkilter), Ballycotton, Co. Cork. I don't know anything about ANN FLYNN. I would like to confirm: 1. the birthplace, baptism and marriage of PATRICK DORGAN and ANN FLYNN 2. the parents of PATRICK DORGAN and ANN FLYNN I would love to hear from any listers familiar with this DORGAN and FLYNN family. Sincerely, Bill Dorgan Here is all I know about PATRICK DORGAN and ANN FLYNN: Patrick DARGAN (DORGAN) was born on a farm in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, County Cork on or about 1830. Ballybraher is also known as Carrigkilter. His father, whose name we do not know, owned or leased this farm. I have been unable to trace the deeds. This was, of course, the era between the Penal Laws (1690s) and Roman Catholic Emancipation (1829). Catholics were not allowed to "own" land nor "vote". All five children of Patrick DARGAN (DORGAN) and his wife, ANN FLYNN, were born on this farm. Later, his daughter, MARY DORGAN lived on this farm with her husband, Jerry Healy. One of the children of MARY DORGAN and Jerry Healy, John Healy, married Margaret Grahame and had five children: Elizabeth, Jerry and David (twins), John Christopher, and James. Elizabeth, David and John Christopher still live on the farm in Ballybraher. James died in 1994 and Jerry died in July 2003. CHILDREN OF PATRICK DARGAN (DORGAN) AND ANN FLYNN: 1. DAVID DORGAN was born about 1853 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, County Cork Ireland. He married Elizabeth Ahearne who was born about 1853. David DORGAN and his wife Elizabeth Ahearne had no children. But, they raised David DORGAN's nephew (his sister Mary's son, John Healy) and they raised Elizabeth Ahearne's niece (her sister's daughter, Margaret Grahame). John Healy and Margaret Grahame later married and had five children: Elizabeth, Jerry and David (twins), John Christopher, and James. All five children never married. Elizabeth, David and John Christopher are still on the farm in Ballybraher. James died in 1994 and Jerry died in July 2003. The Irish Census of 1901 lists David as the "Head of the Household" in Carrigkilter, Ballycotton, County Cork, Ireland. All persons living in his household were listed as "Roman Catholics". According to the census, his house had three rooms in which four people lived: David, a "farmer", age 48; his wife, Elizabeth, age 48; his "Farm Servant", Jeremiah Cronin, age 23; and his "General Servant Domestic", Mary Hassett, age 22. Some of the descendants of Jeremiah Cronin and Mary Hassett still live in the area, but they are no relation to the DORGAN family. 2. MICHAEL DORGAN, born about 1855 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, County Cork. Michael DORGAN married a woman whose last name was Guard. She was from Ballynamona, Shannagarry, Co. Cork. They had four children: Lena married William (Billy) O'Brien and had no children; Mary married Billy's brother, John O'Brien and had no children; Patrick married Ann Mellerick; William (Bill) did not marry. All four are deceased. Patrick DORGAN and Ann Mellerick had five children: Michael, emigrated to the USA, but it is not known where; Phillie, Ella, Annie, all deceased and Liam. Liam is the only one left out of five children. Liam has three sons and two daughters. Liam once owned DORGAN'S Pub in Cloyne. It is now under new management and the name is changed. 3. MARY DORGAN, born about 1856 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, County Cork. Mary DORGAN married Jerry Healy of Lisanley, Cloyne, County Cork and had five children: John married Margaret Grahame; Patrick (Pad); Michael (Mick), Ann (never married) and an unknown female who married a man named Meaney of Aghada, County Cork. 4. ELIZABETH DORGAN, born about 1858 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, County Cork. Elizabeth DORGAN married John Shinnick of Ballycatto, Cloyne, County Cork. They had three children: Edmund, Elizabeth, and Hannah. 5. PATRICK J. DORGAN, born April 26, 1861 in Ballybraher, Ballycotton, County Cork, Ireland; died December 09, 1937 in Cranston, Rhode Island. Patrick J. Dorgan is my great-grandfather. He is the bridge between Ireland and Rhode Island ... the first known of this DORGAN family to "come over" to the USA.

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Bristow Moffatt, Shoemaker, Born 1809 Ireland, married 1832C Mary Ann Young Born 1813C Ireland Last located in Antrim 1828 (Rev. McGill's diary) Mother always said they were from Derry, Down Son Thomas born in Liverpool 1833 ,Daughter Martha born.1837 Looking for parents of Bristow Naming pattern for Bristow's mother and father would seem to be Thomas and Martha . Came to Upper Canada 1839C first to Toronto and then to Peterborough area1845 Any information greatly appreciated Van

Hi Dawn, Do you know the address for the place name site you mention. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: [ROLL CALL] Nothing is easy is seems! > Hi Listers, > Not all sites are created equal! While searching Monaghan for a place name > that began with "Coo", I came up with Cooshannagh. I then went back into > the placename site to search for Cooshannagh and found no records. SNIP > > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROLL-CALLS Mailing List ==== > Remember: This is NOT a discussion group. If you would like to join an Ireland discussion list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND.html >

Yes Beth, here they are. http://www.seanruad.com http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/placenames/index.cfm Dawn -----Original Message----- From: Beth Bradley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: January 11, 2005 2:24 PM To: Dawn; [email protected] Subject: Re: [ROLL CALL] Nothing is easy is seems! Hi Dawn, Do you know the address for the place name site you mention. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:27 PM Subject: [ROLL CALL] Nothing is easy is seems! > Hi Listers, > Not all sites are created equal! While searching Monaghan for a place name > that began with "Coo", I came up with Cooshannagh. I then went back into > the placename site to search for Cooshannagh and found no records. SNIP > > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROLL-CALLS Mailing List ==== > Remember: This is NOT a discussion group. If you would like to join an Ireland discussion list: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND.html >

Hi Listers, Not all sites are created equal! While searching Monaghan for a place name that began with "Coo", I came up with Cooshannagh. I then went back into the placename site to search for Cooshannagh and found no records. I then suspected that there might be an "l" after the Coo and input Coolshannagh and came up with the same place as the other site which had no "l". No wonder those of us unfamiliar with Ireland have such a task! The original record appeared to be Cooinsanna on one and Cooinsauny on another. I hope I now have the correct place. Then I have a birth of a child in Magheranure which was listed as the Eastern Div. of Clones, Monaghan as was the above. Does this sound correct to anyone? Thanks Dawn in Toronto Canada Family Research: SMYTH, SPENCER, SPARKHALL, CUBITT, BOWER, WORTS, DEARING, GLEESON, LANDRY/LONDRY, WILLIS, HUMPHREY, HENLEY/HENERBY - married in: Brown & Browne, Barnham, Shepherd, More, Randle, Wright, McArthur, Bloomer, Tustian, Doan, Burnette, Stillwell, Luck, Huckle, Nelson, Foreman, Sherk, Near, Clark, Fligg, Gould, Sparling and many more!!

My grandfather, William Rooney, was born June 24, 1877, in County Cork, Ireland & immigrated to the US in about 1896 thru Ellis Island. He settled in the DeKalb-Chicago area and married Catherine Brock on February 6, 1907. Two sisters, Ellen & Rose immigrated later and lived in the Chicago-DeKalb area - one married a John Cummings and the other married Dennis Burns. Mother's maiden name was Kaleher. Would appreciate any information.

Looking for James HARPUR, a farmer in the Clonallon Glebe region, district Warrenpoint, Co.Down. He married Martha CORKEY and had one son, Isaac, in 1873. Then married Bella MACCARTNEY and had two children Ella and Harry. Any!! information on these people will be appreciated. Regards, Brian.

Chasing two sets of Great-grandparents, John SLOWEY/SLOY/SLOWE/SLOEY and Elizabeth DAVIDSON; and James BROWN and Martha LANDTROOP. John SLOWEY/etc, born 1841, probably in Ireland, possibly Scotland Elizabeth DAVIDSON, born 22 June 1842, but maybe 1845 or 1838, in Ireland. Married in about 1864. Eliza's father was John DAVIDSON, possibly English. Her mother was possibly Elizabeth CLINE/CLYNE. Two children, John and Elizabeth, possibly born in Glasgow in 1865 and 1866. Family emigrated to North America in about 1869, maybe earlier. Three more children born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania: Eleanore, Catharine and Mary Josephine. James BROWN, born 1829, probably in Ireland. Martha LANDTROOP, born in Athens, Alabama in 1833. Married at Tuscumbia, AL, on 5 April 1855. Children James, Martha/Nancy/Catharine/John/Francis Grover/John David, in that order. James had the distinction of having served with both the Union and the Confederacy in the CW, and having been captured as a POW by both sides.

Thanks Pat, your explanation of how the land was divided/administrated was very easy to understand. I've read (or tried) to read it all before, but usually go away shaking my head! You broke it down to a level that makes it so much easier to understand. Meg

Thanks so much for this Pat. I get really confused by this. I ordered a film form LDS for Monaghan, Clones thinking that this was one and now find out that it is Fermanagh? With your help I will probably get it straight in my head. I have just recently started researching my Irish roots in Irelnad. I have quite a bit on them in Canada, but am now trying to connect two DEARING families. One appears to be from Armagh and the other from Monaghan/Fermanagh.? Dawn in Canada Family Research: SMYTH, SPENCER, SPARKHALL, CUBITT, BOWER, WORTS, DEARING, GLEESON, LANDRY/LONDRY, WILLIS, HUMPHREY, HENLEY/HENERBY - married in: Brown & Browne, Barnham, Shepherd, More, Randle, Wright, McArthur, Bloomer, Tustian, Doan, Burnette, Stillwell, Luck, Huckle, Nelson, Foreman, Sherk, Near, Clark, Fligg, Gould, Sparling and many more!! -----Original Message----- From: ConnorsGenealogy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: January 9, 2005 1:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Topic #1, Land/Adminstration Divisions of Ireland, part 1 This week I am going to start some research topics. I believe the most basic to understand, when starting Irish genealogy, is the land/administration divisions of Ireland, since many of the Ireland genealogical records are arranged by the various divisions, such as civil parish, religious parish, barony, etc. Therefore when one finds the townland where their ancestor is from, if they want to search for records, you will need to know what administrative divisions the townland was located. The sources I used for this topic include: Irish Records, by James Ryan A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland, by Brian Mitchell Tracing Your Irish Ancestors, by John Grenham Discovering Your Irish Ancestors by Radford & Betit various online sources Province · four in number, Connaught, Leinster, Munster, Ulster County · 32 in number, including Northern Ireland · Laois, also known as Leix, was once Queen's County and Offaly was once King's County, Derry also know as Londonderry · Cork-largest, Louth-smallest · counties were created after the Norman conquest (12th century) and took several hundred years to complete (last, Wicklow was created in 1606) · each county divided into civil parishes Barony · there are between 273(Ryan) and 331(Mitchell), also created by Norman conquest, comprised of several civil parishes and parts of civil parishes, they can cross county boundaries · from the 16th century they were used as an administrative division commonly encountered in the Tithe Applotments and Griffith's Primary Valuation · each county averages between 7 and 10, Cork-20, Louth-5 Poor Law Union · 130 were created by the Irish Poor Law Act in 1838 to collect taxes to take care of local poor · a workhouse was erected in a central town in each union · unions were assembled usually from townlands within a ten mile radius, by 1850, 163 unions had been created, boundaries can cross county lines · the unions' boundaries became the General Registrar's Districts, the areas where births, deaths and marriages were compiled (civil registration) District Electoral Division · a sub-division of the poor law union · each division elected a member of the Board of Guardians · made up of a small group of townlands · DEDs formed the basis for the administering the 1901 & 1911 censuses and are also used in arranging Griffith's Valuation revision books -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus ______________________________

Looking for ANY info on my grandmother. Born CO DOWN Died Pittsburgh Pennsylvania ALICE FAGAN HERBERT THanks VIrginia

Thanks, Pat, for doing that. It's a good idea and a good start for those who are just getting started and trying to make sense of the way things are organized for administrative purposes. It's like a mini-mini course.

Looking for any info on: Samuel SHORE born 02 May 1877 in Ireland (County unknown). Died 29 Jan 1944 in South Africa. Parents: Samuel & Mary Ann Shore Married to Isobel Saunders (born South Africa) 9 Children: Samuel Richard, Mary Ann Maud, William Henry, Violet May, Robert Edward, Myrtle May, Evelyn Ivy, Florence Mabel, Muriel Charlotte Samuel Shore emigrated to South Africa, as he was enlisted in 1915 as a Private Farrier Sargeant with the No4 Troop D Squad, Hartigans Horse regiment - a police regiment. He may have been in the police in Ireland before moving to South Africa. No link yet established with the many Shores listed in the Griffiths Valuation 1847-1864 (mainly of co. Kilkenny) Religeous affiliation unknown. Ship used and date of emigration to South Africa unknown. Some of his children have "typical Shore family " names i.e. Samuel, William Henry, Robert Also any history/relationships on surname SHORE in Ireland. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 06/01/2005

I have James STRICKLAND (son of George STRICKLAND and Margaret McKEE of Newtownards, Co. Down). James married Anna COOPER in 1866 and emigrated to Ballarat, Australia in 1870. Happy to hear from anyone researching these names. Vicki in Melbourne, Australia

Good Afternoon. I would like to post my names also. My Great Grandfather was born William J. Kirk b- 27 March 1853 Raffrey Killinchy Cnty Down. His mother was Grace Thompson and William Kirk ? I received this information from the Presbyterian church in Raffrey, by way of Family History. Gr. Grandmother Bridget Walsh. b-24 April 1838? Parents supposedly James Walsh and Mary Nevell. Don't know for sure but surmise they were born in County Cork. Thanks Marlene, Ohio

Searching for information about Warren Mountgarret, member of the Armagh county militia about 1850? and son of John Mountgarret, a minister. Sue Alden [email protected]