Thank you. Yes, I have been into that site. I lived in Garden City for a short time as a small child--that was many years ago. Maybe sometime I will visit again--as needless to say I remember little. Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [ROLL CALL] Lawless/Ramsdale family. Stockport to RI > if you wish to find more about A.T.Stewart i suggest you try a search of > john ellis kordes or www.gardencityny.net > > > ==== IRELAND-ROLL-CALLS Mailing List ==== > Welcome to the Ireland Roll Calls Mailing List > Search the list's archives: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ireland-roll-calls > >

on 29/5/05 5:03 pm, ConnorsGenealogy at [email protected] wrote: >> >> >> Would like to know if they appear in any tithe applotments or census details. >> Also >> are there any church records, burial marriage or christening for that >> parish...they were RC. >> > The tithes are all filmed by the LDS Family History Library and are > arranged by Civil Parish. The number for Tubbridbritain civil parish is > #256695. However, their are not census records for the dates you are > interested in. They have them for 1901 and 1911 only. However, if your > family is Catholic, there are records available also filmed for > Freshford RC Parish which covers part of the Tubbridbritain civil > parish. The film number is # 926192 and cover years 1773-1881. > > Checking the Griffith's Valuation for Sragh, I only found a James and a > William Phelan. The GV was done in this area in 1850. Checking for all > of County Kilkenny, I found 6 Kiernan Phelan in the following > townlands: Ballyragget, Clashwilliam, Whiteswall, Killoshulan, > Sheastown, Balloskill Hi Pat...many thanks for getting back to me, I was beginning to think I'd hit a brick wall with the Irish side of the family. How can I access the LDS films? Are there any centres in England that would have access to the Irish films? If I could find a record of their marriage then I could order the certificate. I am guessing that Patrick was born about 1862 so assume that Kieran Phelan and Margaret Bergin were married around 1860. I know they lived just below Sragh in an area known as Goresgrove and when Paddy married Kieran bought the farmland at Sragh for him...the house at Goresgrove was passed on to William...that must be the one you mentioned. Thanks again. Jim

Jack, I found your story of interest because I too have an ancestor, my paternal great grandfather who emigrated to the US in 1863 from Northern Ireland was a weaver in County Down. In 1863 a wealthy merchant by the name of A. T. Stewart (his store later became Wannamaker's) in New York City. originially from N. Ireland, chartered a ship, the "Mary Edson" to take provisions to these people in N.I. who were suffering because of the blockade--and then he gave free passage to 137 people from that area to the United States, my ggrandfather being one of them. I found my ggrandfather, his sister, his brother and brother's wife and three children on the Mary Edson's passenger list--then I Googled the Mary Edson and got the story about A.T. Stewart. Sorry I can't help you--but was interested in your story about James Ramsdell. Joan in Tucson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Phelan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:16 AM Subject: [ROLL CALL] Lawless/Ramsdale family. Stockport to RI > Whilst investigating my great grandmother's collection of photographs and > cross checking with various genealogical sites...I discovered an ancestor > who's existence was previously unknown to all the family. He had been born > prior to the BD&M registers and had died in the US so it was completely by > chance that I came across his Christening records...I then got his wedding > certificate and gradually his story began to unfold...I think it illustrates > perfectly the tragic lives some of our ancestors had to put up with. > > James Ramsdale was a weaver by trade as was the whole family but when the > North blockaded the South in the American Civil War and cut off the supply > of cotton to England...he and thousands of others were out of a job. He > emigrated to RI with his wife and two children. Whilst his brother Joseph > raised 8 children to adulthood, losing only two at birth and a further boy > at the age of 11,(his sisters Alice managed seven and Jane, two boys), James > was to father eight children, only two surviving beyond the age of seven. > The age sequence of his children in numerical order being 0, 1, 3, 3, 6, > 7,13 and 98! I was hoping, when I began my research, to discover some > American cousins but unfortunately that branch of the family has quite > literally died out. Alice was the last to die at the age of 98 in 1968 and > is buried in the North Burial Ground in Providence RI. If anyone on the > roll-call lives anywhere near this burial ground I would love to see a > photograph of the grave...and find out why she is in the plot of another > family. If anyone has further information I would be very interested. I have > include a time line for James...just in case anyone's interested... > > > JAMES LAWLESS RAMSDALE 1837-1900 > 1837 Born Warrington Lancashire to William Ramsdale and Jane Lawless (Jane > was born in Ireland in 1818, the daughter of Edward Lawless, a weaver). > Further information gratefully received. > 1838 January 7th Christened/parents married at St. Paul C of E Warrington > 1839 October 1st sister Alice born [Ramsdales lived at 1 Hope St Warrington] > 1840 March 29th Alice christened at St Paul > 1841 December 29th brother Joseph born > 1845 Last quarter sister Jane Bridget born > 1845 December 28th Jane B christened at St Paul > 1851 Census Ramsdales not recorded in Warrington > 1851 Census Ramsdales not recorded in Stockport > 1861 Census Ramsdales recorded living at 44 King Street West Stockport. > James, aged 23 recorded as a power loom weaver along with his father, > brother and sisters > 1861 December 29th James marries Emma Poole at the Parish Church, Heaton > Norris > 1862 Mary Jane born Heaton Norris, Stockport > 1864 William Edward born Heaton Norris > 1864-1869 Between these dates James, Emma, Mary J and William E emigrated to > USA > 1869 19th August Mary Jane died aged 7. Buried in St Phillips Episcopal > Cemetery West Warwick RI > 1870 Alice Amelia born Rhode Island USA > 1870 Census recorded with 2 children William age 8 born England, Alice A age > 1 b RI > 1871 James T and Joseph H Ramsdale born RI > 1875 July 18th Joseph H died aged 4. Buried St Phillips > 1875 Joseph A Ramsdale born > 1876 October 30th Joseph A died aged 1. Buried St Phillips > 1877 February 2nd Willie E died aged 13. Buried St Phillips > 1877 November 2nd James T died aged 4. Buried St Phillips > 1878 Walter Ramsdale born > 1880 Census Ramsdales recorded living at Warwick, Kent. RI. James L Cotton > Weaver, aged 42, Emma Keeping House aged 39, Alice A 10, At School and > Walter aged 2 both born RI > 1881 June 10th Emma Ramsdale died aged 41. Buried St Phillips > 1881 June 22nd Walter died aged 3. Buried St Phillips > 1883 George Ramsdale born / died 27th September to Sarah Jones & James L > Ramsdale > 1885 James L married Sarah Jones born 1840 > 1900 April 11th James L Ramsdale died aged 62. Buried St Phillips > 1907 August 8th Alice Amelia Ramsdale aged 37 married John Barbour [b 1863 > Scotland] > 1919 November 26th Sarah Ramsdale died aged 79. Buried St Phillips > 1920 Census Alice A and John Barbour recorded at Fall River MA. John was a > weaver in a cotton mill and immigrated in 1893. No children recorded > 1930 Census Alice A Barbour recorded as a widow, Fall River MA > 1968 October 18th Alice Amelia Barbour died aged 98. Buried in the North > Burial Ground in Providence RI > > > > > ==== IRELAND-ROLL-CALLS Mailing List ==== > To Unsubcribe from L: mailto:[email protected] > To Unsubscribe from D: mailto:[email protected] > Put the single word 'unsubscribe' in the message subject and body > >

> > >Would like to know if they appear in any tithe applotments or census details. Also >are there any church records, burial marriage or christening for that >parish...they were RC. > The tithes are all filmed by the LDS Family History Library and are arranged by Civil Parish. The number for Tubbridbritain civil parish is #256695. However, their are not census records for the dates you are interested in. They have them for 1901 and 1911 only. However, if your family is Catholic, there are records available also filmed for Freshford RC Parish which covers part of the Tubbridbritain civil parish. The film number is # 926192 and cover years 1773-1881. Checking the Griffith's Valuation for Sragh, I only found a James and a William Phelan. The GV was done in this area in 1850. Checking for all of County Kilkenny, I found 6 Kiernan Phelan in the following townlands: Ballyragget, Clashwilliam, Whiteswall, Killoshulan, Sheastown, Balloskill -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

> > >My grandmother's name was Margaret Coffey, born 22nd March 1895. She was >originally from County Clare but moved to Ballingarry in County Limerick in her >teens. She married Michael O'Doherty and continued to live in Balligarry >until moving to England around the 1950s. > You are very fortunate to be researching a recent family from Ireland. Civil registration started in Ireland in 1864 for births and deaths and RC marriages (1845 for Protestant marriages). Then there are both the 1901 and 1911 Ireland censuses that are available to you. All then needed records have been filmed by LDS. They have the births indexed by year. Since you already know the date of birth you can send for her birth certifcate from the General Register Office on this website: http://www.groireland.ie/ The certificate will give place of birth and then you can check the 1901 census for family member, same with 1911. After you get the area, you can also get some church records. Good luck. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

Jack, It appears reading the script on the stone that Margaret Phelan passed on and that either her husband Kieran remarried and is buried elsewhere or possibly was buried after his wife with no funds to have his name placed on the stone. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phelan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 28 May 2005 20:36:49 +0100 Subject: [ROLL CALL] FW: Phelan family Kilkenny ---------- From: Jack Phelan <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:22:22 +0100 To: [email protected] Subject: Phelan family Kilkenny Kieran Phelan possibly b. 1812. Wife Margaret Bergin. Their grave at Graine reads; SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF MARGARET PHELAN (ALIAS BERGIN) THE BELOVED WIFE OF KIERAN PHELAN OF GORESGROVE WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE 29TH AUGUST 1879 AGED 47 YEARS AND ALSO 4 CHILDREN WHO DIED YOUNG. A bit ambiguous as it isn't entirely clear to whom the dates refer! They lived near Kilkenny/Tip. border nr Urlingford in the townland of Sragh. Children: Anastasia M. Dunphy, Dan, Michael, Ellen M. James Arthur Cantwell, Girl M. Cahill, William, Paddy b. 1863 M. Mary Shanahan [my grandparents]. Children Kieran, Margaret,Hanah,Anastasia,William,Mary,Paddy,Michael, Dan, Bridie and Nellie.The family of Paddy lived at Sragh in the parish of Tubridbrittain-my cousin Paddy Phelan still lives there. Burials are at Graine church. Would like to know if they appear in any tithe applotments or census details. Also are there any church records, burial marriage or christening for that parish...they were RC. Any info. gratefully received...Jim Phelan ==== IRELAND-ROLL-CALLS Mailing List ==== Welcome to the Ireland Roll Calls Mailing List Search the list's archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ireland-roll-calls

---------- From: Jack Phelan <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:21:53 +0100 To: [email protected] Subject: Sheehan family Pilltown Kilkenny Jeremiah Sheehan was a land surveyor. With the famine of 1845 he came to England with my ggrandfather Michael Sheehan b. 1840. He gave his place of birth as Pilltown and was probably RC. Michael ended up in Stockport, Cheshire where he married Alice Ramsdale in 1862. I have all family details and photographs from this date on but would like to know who came over with Jeremiah and where did he go to, as no record of him appears in any census nor is his death registered anywhere. Any further information as to his roots in Pilltown or life in England gratefully received. Jim Phelan

---------- From: Jack Phelan <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:22:22 +0100 To: [email protected] Subject: Phelan family Kilkenny Kieran Phelan possibly b. 1812. Wife Margaret Bergin. Their grave at Graine reads; SACRED TO THE MEMORY OF MARGARET PHELAN (ALIAS BERGIN) THE BELOVED WIFE OF KIERAN PHELAN OF GORESGROVE WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE 29TH AUGUST 1879 AGED 47 YEARS AND ALSO 4 CHILDREN WHO DIED YOUNG. A bit ambiguous as it isn't entirely clear to whom the dates refer! They lived near Kilkenny/Tip. border nr Urlingford in the townland of Sragh. Children: Anastasia M. Dunphy, Dan, Michael, Ellen M. James Arthur Cantwell, Girl M. Cahill, William, Paddy b. 1863 M. Mary Shanahan [my grandparents]. Children Kieran, Margaret,Hanah,Anastasia,William,Mary,Paddy,Michael, Dan, Bridie and Nellie.The family of Paddy lived at Sragh in the parish of Tubridbrittain-my cousin Paddy Phelan still lives there. Burials are at Graine church. Would like to know if they appear in any tithe applotments or census details. Also are there any church records, burial marriage or christening for that parish...they were RC. Any info. gratefully received...Jim Phelan

I have updated the Ireland Books section of my website. The update includes new books in Parish, Genealogy and Local Histories plus new Lookup Volunteers in all sections. If you have or know of books that are not listed, please use the convenient form on the website and I will include them with the next update. You can check out the books by going to the URL below my name. At the top of my homepage, under Ireland, click on Ireland Books. That will take you to the Ireland Books Discussion mailing list webpage, at the bottom of the page, you will find links to the Parish books and the Ireland books. If you have any comments, corrections and/or addition to the website, please contact me off list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

Subscribe My grandmother's name was Margaret Coffey, born 22nd March 1895. She was originally from County Clare but moved to Ballingarry in County Limerick in her teens. She married Michael O'Doherty and continued to live in Balligarry until moving to England around the 1950s. She died in 1974. We know very little of my maternal grandmother's side of the family and wondered if anyone could fill in some of the gaps or suggest where I might obtain information with such little information to go on. Pam

Do they have the trade directories for County Clare? Thanks Debbie from Florida

I'm looking for information on Timothy Creeden b. 1846 in County Cork. He was married to Mary Ann Matson in Clinton County, Ohio, USA in 1868 and died in 1899 in Mercer County, Ohio. I have more details on the family at: http://creedengenealogy.home.att.net Thanks! Kathy

> > >Do they have the trade directories for County Clare? > You might try the Clare Library which is a wonderful website. http://www.clarelibrary.ie/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

Here's a good search engine at the Limerick County Library for Limerick directories 1700s to early 1900s: http://www.limerickcorp.ie/webapps/TradesReg/TradesReg.aspx -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

Researching: DUCKETT, Whitestown, Tramore, Carlow CASHIN, Tramore MEARES, Athlone WHITE, Athlone Thank you. Loretta Myrter [email protected]

I forgot to give the URL where you can find the website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irltip/tipperary.htm -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

The Ireland GenWeb County Tipperary website has been updated. Webpages were created for the Shyane, Shronell, Clonbeg and Shanrahan civil parish with links, available LDS Family History Library films, Samuel Lewis' descriptions from 1837, and webpages for all of the townlands in the parishes. The following townland pages have either been added or updated by adding pictures, records, surname links: Clobanna, Coolgarrane, Rossestown, Ballycrana, Callynacourty, Ballywire, Corderry, Drumleagh, Glencoshabinnia, Gortaclivore, Gortavoher East & West, Gortnafurra, Kilross (2), Longford (3), Newtown (3), Stonepark (2), Tooreen (2), Ballycrehane, Shronell (2), Ballycohy, Deerpark (4), Knockballymaloogh, Lisvarrinane, Lyre, Mackanagh Lower & Upper, Moanour, Moneynaboola, Moorabbey, Rossbog, Ballinard, Ballinglanna, Ballyconry, Barronstown Ormond, Shronell Beg & More, Toor More, Ballynatona, Ballysheehan, Boolakennedy, Carriganroe, Carrigmore, Clogheen Market, Coolantallagh, Crannagh, Cullenagh, Cullenagh South, Curraghslagh, Doon, Flemingstown, Garrandillon, Glencallaghan, Burncourt Town, Clogheen Town, Raheenroe (2), Capparoe (2), Glengarra, Hopkinsrea, Inchnamuck, Kilbeg, Kilcarroon, Killavenoge, Killeatin, Knockaarum, Monaloughra, Mountanglesby, Parkaderreen, Rehill, Rearoe, Rossrehill, Scart East & West, Shanbally, Shranrahan, Toor Beg, Ballyhurrow, Clonoulty Curragh, Borrisokane, Drom, Terryglass, Meldrum, Nenagh, Ballyneill (Ballyneale), Carrick on Suir, Cashel, Kilsheelan, Newport Other sections of the website that were updated: Records, Links, Surnames and Civil Parishes. If you have any comments, corrections or additons for the website, please contact me off the list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by ZoneAlarm AntiVirus

I am researching the above name would be interested in hearing from anyone with the same interest to share information. Such information as I have so far: My Grandfather. Richard Christopher Bowen ( sometimes called Robert or Bob ) born 11/12/1878. Baptised at Ss Peter and Paul Cork City, 24/12/1878. Joined the Royal Field Artillery 1898 in Dublin (service number 28032) Corporal Wheeler. Married Florence Sabina Richards 26/07/1907 Shotter Mill, Surrey. Two children, Kathleen (b.1909) Phyllis (b.1911) Died 08/07/1910, Kirkee, India from beri beri. He had an elder brother who was in the Royal Army Service Corps. He may have been called Vincent. His father, Jeramiah, was a boot maker and at some point around the turn of the century, lived at 16 Grattan Street, Cork. His mother was Alice Fitzgerald. This may seem a lot but it all refers to a narrow band of time (1878 - 1910) and I have hit a brick wall at the earlier end. A lot of basic research in Cork has helped produce this information but the trail cuts off there in Cork. It seems likely that the family came from outside the city but where? Due to the feeling of the time, I am fairly certain that Richards family cut both him and his brother out of their lives completely when they joined the British Army. Any chance he had of a reconciliation was killed when he died so young. den The purpose of the icons, the purpose of the entire OS X look and feel, is to keep the customer happy during that critical period between the time of sale and the time the check clears. (Bruce Tognazini) Den @work Room 205 Babbage Building Phone: (01752) 23 2666 Fax: (01752) 23 3376 [email protected] [email protected]

I am researching all the above names would be interested in hearing from anyone with the same interest to share information. COUNTY KERRY O'SULLIVAN - from Dingle and previously from Camp back to Patrick, carpenter, b.c.1875, son of Denis from Camp. McCARTHY - Margaret, wife of Denis O'Sullivan from Camp. O'SHEA - from Aughacasla, Castlegregory, back to Mary b.1880, daughter of James, farmer. FLYNN - from Illauncaum & Shantalliv, Castlegregory, Jane, wife of James O'Shea (m.1870), daughter of Jeremiah "Darby" Flynn, shoemaker. DANIHY - of Illauncaum - Mary Ellen married Darby Flynn 1831. STYLES (STILES) - from Ballyeightragh, Dingle, farmers, back to John, c. 1820s originally from Ballyseedy. TALBOT (1) - Jean or Jane from Lahern who c.1840s married John Styles. O'NEILL - Church of Ireland from Killeenafinane, Castlemaine - Anna, b.1855, who married James Styles, daughter of John, farmer. DAY - from Kilgobban, Camp, Tralee, back to William, farmer, c.1846, son of William Sr. LESLIE - from Aghacureen, Catherine, wife of William Day, m.c.1831, possibly daughter of John Leslie and Mary Day. TALBOT (2) - from Aghacureen, Elizabeth b.1850, daughter of Thomas Boyle Talbot, farmer. BLENNERHASSETT - from Culleenymore, Amelia b.1825, daughter of Thomas BH and Susan Hill. HILL - from Martara, Susan who married into the Blennerhassett family 1820s. DUBLIN AND MONAGHAN HORAN - from Dublin, previously Monaghan or another neighbouring county: Daniel who married Cecelia Bridget Brennan, early 1900s BYRNE - Charles, who married Mary Walker c.1907. His mother's name Jane - may from south (of) Dublin. WALKER - Joseph Walker who c.1880 married Sarah Rooney. ROONEY - Sarah who married Joseph Walker. BRENNAN - Cecelia Bridget Brennan who married Daniel Horan - living in Carrickmacross, Monaghan in 1910 / 1911. Many Thanks Denis Horan [email protected] This e-mail is for the stated addressee only and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not the stated addressee you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If you have received it in error, please immediately delete it and notify the sender. Neither Melli Bank Plc nor any of its officers or staff accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to conduct security measures regarding this e-mail and any attachments. No contracts may be concluded or commitments entered into for and on behalf of Melli Bank Plc by means of e-mails. Melli Bank Plc is incorporated in England with registration number 4152338 and its registered office is situated at 4 Moorgate, London EC2R 6AL. Melli Bank Plc is regulated by the Financial Services Authority.

Kind Regards, Denis Horan Loans Department Tel: +44 (0)20 7397 1651 Fax: +44 (0)20 7796 2104 Email: [email protected] Melli Bank plc 4 Moorgate London, EC2R 6AL United Kingdon Regulated by FSA -----Original Message----- From: Denis Horan Sent: 20 May 2005 10:09 To: '[email protected]' Subject: O'SULLIVAN, McCARTHY, O'SHEA, FLYNN, STYLES, TALBOT, O'NEILL, DAY, LESLIE, BLENNERHASSETT, HILL I am researching all the above names in Co. Kerry and would be interested in hearing from anyone with the same interest to share information. O'SULLIVAN - from Dingle and previously from Camp back to Patrick, carpenter, b.c.1875, son of Denis from Camp. McCARTHY - Margaret, wife of Denis O'Sullivan from Camp. O'SHEA - from Aughacasla, Castlegregory, back to Mary b.1880, daughter of James, farmer. FLYNN - from Shantalliv, Castlegregory, Jane, wife of James O'Shea (m.1870), daughter of John "Darby" Flynn, shoemaker. STYLES (STILES) - from Ballyeightragh, Dingle, farmers, back to John, c. 1820s originally from Ballyseedy. TALBOT (1) - Jean or Jane from Lahern who c.1840s married John Styles. O'NEILL - Church of Ireland from Killeenafinane, Castlemaine - Anna, b.1855, who married James Styles, daughter of John, farmer. DAY - from Kilgobban, Camp, Tralee, back to William, farmer, c.1846, son of William Sr. LESLIE - from Aghacureen, Catherine, wife of William Day, m.c.1831, possibly daughter of John Leslie and Mary Day. TALBOT (2) - from Aghacureen, Elizabeth b.1850, daughter of Thomas Boyle Talbot, farmer. BLENNERHASSETT - from Culleenymore, Amelia b.1825, daughter of Thomas BH and Susan Hill. HILL - from Martara, Susan who married into the Blennerhassett family 1820s. Many Thanks Denis Horan [email protected] This e-mail is for the stated addressee only and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not the stated addressee you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If you have received it in error, please immediately delete it and notify the sender. Neither Melli Bank Plc nor any of its officers or staff accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to conduct security measures regarding this e-mail and any attachments. No contracts may be concluded or commitments entered into for and on behalf of Melli Bank Plc by means of e-mails. Melli Bank Plc is incorporated in England with registration number 4152338 and its registered office is situated at 4 Moorgate, London EC2R 6AL. Melli Bank Plc is regulated by the Financial Services Authority.