Hi, I was wondering where people from Shankill & Seagoe would be buried, and if there would be records or monuments inscriptions online??? Looking for my rellies from these areas:- IRWIN MCKINLEY MCNEICE Thanks Karen in Australia

Hello to all, Below you will see a message that I received from another person in regard to my circumstance of paying a researcher and getting nothing in return. I followed her advice and filed a complaint.Read on,it is very enlightening. And many thanks to all that sent messages in regard to my dilemma. Denise............Original Message Below X-Message: #17 Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Joy Rich <joyrichny@yahoo.com> To: NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20050514195907.54261.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Bklyn] Slightly Off-Topic--Paying for a Researcher Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This kind of situation makes reputable professional genealogists cringe. Professional genealogists have a "trade" organization, the Association of Professional Genealogists. http://www.apgen.org/ APG has over 1500 members. If any of its members are in violation of its Code of Ethics, published at http://www.apgen.org/ethics/CodeofEthicsBrochure.pdf, APG wants to be told about it. Contact information for filing a complaint is at http://apgen.org/contacts/index.html. Denise, if the person you did business with is a member of APG, I encourage you to let APG know. If the person isn't an APG member, I encourage you to notify the Better Business Bureau, as you mentioned. Joy Rich Member, APG Gliggyam@aol.com wrote: Hi All, While not wanting (as they say) to bash anyone I'd like to make a couple of comments in regard to paying someone to do research for you. Recently I had the experience of contacting a person on one of the lists that stated they search the Albany Archives on a regular basis. I inquired of the fee and the costs of certificates. Being on a limited income due to disability I agreed to the amount. The person also agreed to allow me to pay the next month for the second certificate I had asked for. To make this long story short. I got no certificates. They had excuse after excuse. They even had different numbers on the certificate for reference in all of my e-mails. Now I'm mad, leary and embarrassed all at the same time as well as being out $75. Mad as heck because someone took advantage of my trust in people, Leary of ever trying to pay a researcher again and embarrassed that I don't or didn't have the common sense to check out possibly the Better Business Bureau. I have since found a way to check the validity of an address.Zaba Search. Com is great. If I had known sooner I would have seen that this person was listed under their correct name but various middle initials all at the same address.However,they used a post office box in the same zip-code as their regular mailing address. Anyway, be careful. Check out their credentials if possible. By all means, do the legwork yourself if you can.Where I am, the FHC is over an hour away, no buses, no taxis, have to go down the mountain.(I'm not in the states. So, to the people that get pleasure of ripping other people off in our genealogical searches? Shame on you!!! It's people like you that cause much undue grief for others. I'm going to send this to all of the lists that I belong to. If one person is saved the aggravation that I've had then that will make me feel somewhat better. Regards to all from a fellow searcher

Gerald, Thought this might be quite interesting to some or even one your Geneaological Members--or even you, for that matter :). Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: <Gliggyam@aol.com> To: <IRELAND-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 2:36 PM Subject: [IRL-CEMETERIES] (no subject) > Hello to all, > > Below you will see a message that I received from another person in regard > to my circumstance of paying a researcher and getting nothing in return. > I followed her advice and filed a complaint.Read on,it is very enlightening. > And many thanks to all that sent messages in regard to my dilemma. > > Denise............Original Message Below > > X-Message: #17 > Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 12:59:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: Joy Rich <joyrichny@yahoo.com> > To: NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20050514195907.54261.qmail@web52103.mail.yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Bklyn] Slightly Off-Topic--Paying for a Researcher > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > This kind of situation makes reputable professional genealogists cringe. > > Professional genealogists have a "trade" organization, the Association of > Professional Genealogists. http://www.apgen.org/ APG has over 1500 members. If > any of its members are in violation of its Code of Ethics, published at > http://www.apgen.org/ethics/CodeofEthicsBrochure.pdf, APG wants to be told about > it. > > Contact information for filing a complaint is at > http://apgen.org/contacts/index.html. > > Denise, if the person you did business with is a member of APG, I encourage > you to let APG know. If the person isn't an APG member, I encourage you to > notify the Better Business Bureau, as you mentioned. > > Joy Rich > Member, APG > > Gliggyam@aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > While not wanting (as they say) to bash anyone I'd like to make a couple > of comments in regard to paying someone to do research for you. > Recently I had the experience of contacting a person on one of the lists > that stated they search the Albany Archives on a regular basis. I inquired > of > the fee and the costs of certificates. Being on a limited income due to > disability I agreed to the amount. The person also agreed to allow me to pay > the > next month for the second certificate I had asked for. > To make this long story short. I got no certificates. They had excuse > after excuse. They even had different numbers on the certificate for > reference in > all of my e-mails. > Now I'm mad, leary and embarrassed all at the same time as well as being > out $75. Mad as heck because someone took advantage of my trust in people, > Leary of ever trying to pay a researcher again and embarrassed that I don't > or > didn't have the common sense to check out possibly the Better Business > Bureau. > I have since found a way to check the validity of an address.Zaba Search. > Com is great. If I had known sooner I would have seen that this person was > listed under their correct name but various middle initials all at the same > address.However,they used a post office box in the same zip-code as their > regular mailing address. > Anyway, be careful. Check out their credentials if possible. By all > means, do the legwork yourself if you can.Where I am, the FHC is over an > hour > away, no buses, no taxis, have to go down the mountain.(I'm not in the > states. > So, to the people that get pleasure of ripping other people off in our > genealogical searches? Shame on you!!! It's people like you that cause much > undue grief for others. > I'm going to send this to all of the lists that I belong to. If one > person is saved the aggravation that I've had then that will make me feel > somewhat better. > > Regards to all from a fellow searcher > > > > > ==== IRELAND-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > REMEMBER ~ Never open an attachment until you are absolutely positive it is safe to do so. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

re: Letting the buyer beware. I once sent $125 to a man with supposedly good credentials and never received a word or letter from him. My husband had used him for a search and waited months for his report. But, when it finally arrived, it was nicely done and had some information he could use. Unfortunately, I felt he could do the same for me. This person is still very active in genealogical circles and holds an important post with a Polish group, even appearing as a speaker around the country. I've tried over the past few years, in many ways, to get a reponse from him, but he ignores all messages. He had been 'credentialed' by the LDS, but, I found out later, it was revoked because of numerous complaints. Had I checked with them first, I would have been spared a good bit of aggravation. However, he has been the definite exception in the researchers I've used over the years. All others have been great to work with and have sent notes about their progress, even the people from overseas. Usually an archives will do a search for a reasonable cost, though it might take a few weeks to get an answer. They might also be able to direct you to a person who does searches for a fee in their archives and who is reputable. Local geenealogical societies are a good place to find a reference too. The BBB doesn't always have a report on the person who's caused your problem. The person you used was a scam artist and should be reported to the D.As office in that city. Scamming is a crime, even if it's only $10 or $20. You might be able to get your $$ back. Pat D

Hugh HARPER, Church of Ireland, b. abt 1830, Clonarl married Rosanna "Rose Anna" BOYLE m. abt 1867 Catholic. Hugh is said to have converted to marry his Catholic sweetheart. Children: Hugh (1868) James Francis (1871-1932) Castlefin John (1875-1950) Castlefin Ann "Annie" (~1868-~1920) Married Barney DEVLIN (b. Co. Derry) Kathleen (~1868) m. Daniel KELLY Mary Jane (~1868-1901) Carnadore Matthew Joseph (1879-1952) Carnadore m. Bridget McGIRR For a variety of reasons, I believe this family connects to my GG Grandparents John HARPER-Martha IRWINE family (Ch. of Ireland) Both John and Martha died in tiny Carnadore. My family's farm was then sold to the above family or their descendants. My ggg grandparents were Edward "Tom" HARPER and Elizabeth THOMPSON To be honest, I do not know where to start making this connection. I've not done much Irish research and not any Catholic research. Can some kind folks give me a little push? I have spoken with local Harpers, but their family history knowledge faded after great grandparents. Cheers, Diane Jameson (Bound for Co., Donegal in July :-)

Denise, I've only used a research group three times with varied experiences. In sharp contrast to your recent experience I just used this site for some help with finding records in the Chicago area. What a fabulous site and the woman who does it is fantastic. I put in a request last Thursday night and got the records I wanted today. _Chicago and Cook County Genealogy Websites_ (http://www.chicagogenealogy.com/helpful.html) (_http://www.chicagogenealogy.com_ (http://www.chicagogenealogy.com) ) She works on the honor system and once she sends you the record she asked for $4.00 per search. I think it really pays to check on a number of sites for what you're looking for before proceeding. If anyone had any family that came to Chicago you may want to keep this one as a reference. Mary Beth Mary Beth Kelly

No my husbands Cravens are Lancashire. Pam In a message dated 14/05/2005 20:34:06 GMT Standard Time, Gliggyam@aol.com writes: Hi Pam, As far as I know, or as the story goes in my family. One cousin claims they came from Roscommon another one claims Antrim. My part of the family settled in New York. James Craven born abt/1835 married Katharine Ryan???Had eight children,,Two born England John and James, then Michael,Nicholas,William,Mary,Peter(my grandfather, b/01/01/1880) and I think a Thomas. All raised in Brooklyn, NY. Story is James went back to Ireland to die as he was quite ill. His wife, known as Katie or Kitty stayed here. Any possible connection? Peter Craven then married Margaret McKeegan abt/ 1900 Denise

Hi Pam, As far as I know, or as the story goes in my family. One cousin claims they came from Roscommon another one claims Antrim. My part of the family settled in New York. James Craven born abt/1835 married Katharine Ryan???Had eight children,,Two born England John and James, then Michael,Nicholas,William,Mary,Peter(my grandfather, b/01/01/1880) and I think a Thomas. All raised in Brooklyn, NY. Story is James went back to Ireland to die as he was quite ill. His wife, known as Katie or Kitty stayed here. Any possible connection? Peter Craven then married Margaret McKeegan abt/ 1900 Denise

In a message dated 14/05/2005 19:33:44 GMT Standard Time, Gliggyam@aol.com writes: Denise where did your Cravens come from? Pam

Barbara, Am presently researching Craven / McKeegan / Bertrand / Johnson / Morrison / Tiernan / Gouin(Guynn) Regards ...Denise ...................original message............... < sip > There are more decent people I think, but your right you can never be to careful. Maybe if this is the only method to get certifcates, you can agree to pay upon receipt of certificate. Just an idea. I hope you are progressing better now on your search. By the way where, what names etc are you searching.? The more people that know, perhaps we can help some. Barbara in Boston

Denise, I am so so sorry for your experience. I find that posting messages on message boards, often gets very very good results. Mailing list are fantastic too. I just got a lot of information from someone in Calfiornia on my family from Poland that resided in MA. There are more decent people I think, but your right you can never be to careful. Maybe if this is the only method to get certifcates, you can agree to pay upon receipt of certificate. Just an idea. I hope you are progressing better now on your search. By the way where, what names etc are you searching.? The more people that know, perhaps we can help some. Barbara in Boston

Hi All, While not wanting (as they say) to bash anyone I'd like to make a couple of comments in regard to paying someone to do research for you. Recently I had the experience of contacting a person on one of the lists that stated they search the Albany Archives on a regular basis. I inquired of the fee and the costs of certificates. Being on a limited income due to disability I agreed to the amount. The person also agreed to allow me to pay the next month for the second certificate I had asked for. To make this long story short. I got no certificates. They had excuse after excuse. They even had different numbers on the certificate for reference in all of my e-mails. Now I'm mad, leary and embarrassed all at the same time as well as being out $75. Mad as heck because someone took advantage of my trust in people, Leary of ever trying to pay a researcher again and embarrassed that I don't or didn't have the common sense to check out possibly the Better Business Bureau. I have since found a way to check the validity of an address.Zaba Search. Com is great. If I had known sooner I would have seen that this person was listed under their correct name but various middle initials all at the same address.However,they used a post office box in the same zip-code as their regular mailing address. Anyway, be careful. Check out their credentials if possible. By all means, do the legwork yourself if you can.Where I am, the FHC is over an hour away, no buses, no taxis, have to go down the mountain.(I'm not in the states. So, to the people that get pleasure of ripping other people off in our genealogical searches? Shame on you!!! It's people like you that cause much undue grief for others. I'm going to send this to all of the lists that I belong to. If one person is saved the aggravation that I've had then that will make me feel somewhat better. Regards to all from a fellow searcher Denise

Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRELAND-CEMETERIES-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRELAND-CEMETERIES-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 6:00 AM Subject: IRELAND-CEMETERIES-D Digest V05 #36

In a message dated 5/7/2005 5:37:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, ancestorsatrest@netscape.net writes: > Hi all > > I just put some records for Dean's Grange Cemetery, Blackrock, Dublin, > Ireland online. It is not the whole cemetery but it may be of help to > some of you. If you want to take a look go to > http://www.ancestorsatrest.com/england.shtml > > Good Luck > Brian. > > There is an entire set of six or seven volumes of The Memorial Inscriptions in Deansgrange (all one word) Cemetery published by the Genealogical Society of Ireland. Indexed and recorded by Section. There are 18 seperate sections and their importance is that many were for burials of one religion. Further, knowing the Section often defines the time frame in which a burial occured and vice versa. If you know when a burial took place you can narrow the search to specific sections. Obviously, burials in unmarked graves and those with illegible markers are not captured in these volumes. There are however records on mictofilm available through the FHL of the Church of the latter Day Saints in Salt Lake City which give details of burials in chronological sequence starting with the earliest. They are often quite difficult to read but well worth the effort for the information contained in them. They can be ordered to a local branch of the Library and viewed there. Given the enormous number of Burials from 1864 to the present day, the liklihood of finding an individual or family by using the existing books and films is vastly greater than in scrolling through unindexed lists such as this however generous the effort taken to post them. GMcC NJ.

Hi all I just put some records for Dean's Grange Cemetery, Blackrock, Dublin, Ireland online. It is not the whole cemetery but it may be of help to some of you. If you want to take a look go to http://www.ancestorsatrest.com/england.shtml Good Luck Brian. __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

I am trying to trace GALLAGHER connections in Donegal Ireland and have been told that my GALLAGHER family probably stems from in and around Creeslough, Donegal. With the scarcity of records in the area and the large number of GALLAGHER families I wondered if by chance anyone had come across: Peter GALLAGHER born approx. 1857 Donegal (my ggrandfather) Hugh GALLAGHER born Donegal DOB unknown (my gggrandfather) Peter married Ellen QUIGLEY and Hugh married Ellen McGHEE. Peter died in Glasgow on 7 October 1937 and Ellen QUIGLEY died there also on 17 August 1900. Nothing is known about either Hugh or his wife Ellen. It would be particularly useful if anyone had any information relating to cemetery transcriptions, etc as I will be travelling to the area in August of this year but any help or suggestions would be gratefully received so that I can follow up. I realise that the facts are sketchy but I am sure that someone out there can assist. Thank you in anticipation. Paul Gallagher Auckland New Zealand

Listers: Does anyone know if the "Hill Cemetery" at Ballymacoda, East Cork has been transcribed? Does anyone have the book of transciptions of St. Colman's "Old" and "New" Cemeteries, Cloyne? Thanks for any help. Bill Dorgan

I have found a Margaret MCCOLLUM buried in Ardstraw in 1871 that could be around the right period for my GG Grandmother Her husbands name was Theophilus and she had a son Alexander ( ggrandfather and possibly sons John and William There is a Margaret MCCOLLUM in Errigal Keerogue in 1916 could be the next generation any kind person out there shed any light on this one. I think they were Methodist Any help would be greatly appreciated ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Mattsen" <mattsen@paradise.net.nz> To: <IRELAND-CEMETERIES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [IRL-CEMETERIES] COLEMAN from Ireland to Dunedin > >From New Zealnd > > > Hawke's Bay Herald Jan 16 1890 COLEMAN From Ireland to Dunedin > > Wednesday-Page Two > > Monsignor COLEMAN died suddenly at Bishop's Place at 2 o'clock this > morning. > > He arrived in town to take part in the council of Diocese this week. > Yesterday he went to the Exhibition in the evening, and though it was > noticed that he was a little duller than usual, there was nothing to > indicate that he was seriously ill. > > On his return to the Bishop's residence it was observed he was ailing, and > on the advice of Father LYNCH he decided to retire to bed. > > He appeared to be sleeping quietly for some time, but when visited at > 10'o' > clock it was deemed advisable to send for Dr FERGUSON, who found Monsignor > COLEMAN suffering from a fit of apoplexy, and though the doctor did > everything possible he deemed the case hopeless, and Father WALSH > administered the last rites of the church. > > Deceased, who was 60 years of age, and a native of County WATERFORD, was > ordained priest of the parish of CLOYNE, County CORK, where he spent > fifteen > years, and then left for DUNEDIN with Bishop MORAN, arrived here in 1870. > > Receiving the appointment of Vicar-General of the Diocese some years > later, > he paid a visit to the Home Country, and on his return was given the > charge > of the OAMARU district. > > In 1882 he was appointed Archdeacon, and the Pope created a few months ago > a > domestic prelate with the appellation of "Monsignor." > > > > > ==== IRELAND-CEMETERIES Mailing List ==== > The list archives can be found by visiting ~ > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND-CEMETERIES.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

From New Zealnd Hawke's Bay Herald Jan 16 1890 COLEMAN From Ireland to Dunedin Wednesday-Page Two Monsignor COLEMAN died suddenly at Bishop's Place at 2 o'clock this morning. He arrived in town to take part in the council of Diocese this week. Yesterday he went to the Exhibition in the evening, and though it was noticed that he was a little duller than usual, there was nothing to indicate that he was seriously ill. On his return to the Bishop's residence it was observed he was ailing, and on the advice of Father LYNCH he decided to retire to bed. He appeared to be sleeping quietly for some time, but when visited at 10'o' clock it was deemed advisable to send for Dr FERGUSON, who found Monsignor COLEMAN suffering from a fit of apoplexy, and though the doctor did everything possible he deemed the case hopeless, and Father WALSH administered the last rites of the church. Deceased, who was 60 years of age, and a native of County WATERFORD, was ordained priest of the parish of CLOYNE, County CORK, where he spent fifteen years, and then left for DUNEDIN with Bishop MORAN, arrived here in 1870. Receiving the appointment of Vicar-General of the Diocese some years later, he paid a visit to the Home Country, and on his return was given the charge of the OAMARU district. In 1882 he was appointed Archdeacon, and the Pope created a few months ago a domestic prelate with the appellation of "Monsignor."

Hi All, Just 1 mile outside the town of Kilcormac (formally Frankford) in Offaly (formally Kings County) there are ruins of an old Roman Catholic Church which was originally built in 1820. The grave yard around the church is very derelict and stones cannot be read now. Does anyone know if any transcriptions exist of these stones or if any church records survived at all. I have visited the new Catholic Church in Kilcormac and Father Daly has indexes from 1823 onwards but I am now looking further back. Thanks Linda.