Hello Fellow Researchers, My name is Bob Pearce and I am new to the list. I subscribed because I have a difficult problem and am looking for ideas. My gg grandmother was MARY MALONEY born in Ireland according to census info. and her childrens marriage records. She married an Italian named Louis Ginocchio, (like Pinocchio) but with a G, about 1850-1855. My problem is that I have no other info. on her. I found her in Philadelphia, PA, in 1860, 4th ward, eastern division with her husband Louis and two children, Julia and Sarah. My great grandfather, Louis Jr. wasn't born yet. Louis Sr. shows up in Staten Island, New York, in 1865 and 1870 with what appears to be another woman. I have searched exhaustively in Staten Island and Manhattan the death of Mary Ginocchio to no avail. I am now searching Philadelphia death records for Mary Ginocchio with no success yet. I have asked the Philadelphia Diocesan Research center to search, which they have and have had no luck. They searched the records for 6 parishes in the area. I am beginning now to look at methodist church records as the children were all married by methodist ministers. I have begun to look at the housholders index of the Tithe Applotement books for Ireland as this is earlier than Griffiths evaluation and would cover the time before Mary would have emigrated. However, I see several references to the Tithe books but no actual Tithe books. Somewhere I read that the LDS church has the actual books on film but I can't seem to find any film numbers. I would like to look at the actual books if possible. Again, I have no other information, no townland, barony, or religion. I don't even have her fathers name to search for in a passenger list. Believe me, I have done most of it. Would appreciate any ideas on this brick wall. Thank you, Bob Pearce

Bob~ You might try Italian surname from records in Ireland. There were people who came from Italy to Ireland in the 18th & 19th century. However, you problem to find anything in Ireland though not impossible is huge! Tithe books were about 1824. If you knew the county, the townland, the landlord, you might find some data. However, some Tithe records for a particular landlord are quite informative and others just have the monetary amts. donated to the Church of Ireland with no other information. How about Civil War Veteran records? Many times the pension records for veteran's have a great deal of information. Naturalization for that timeline, at least in Ohio, have very little data. I have to find my files but there was a bank which Irish emigrants used which have put their records on line. The bank was in NYC. Perhaps, someone on the list might know. I will try to find that computer site file. What about the cemetery where her husband is buried? Have you checked out those records. Obits were not too common in that time line for emigrants D/T cost and illiteracy but you never know. Just some ideas. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH Eileen & Bob Pearce <eileen070854@snet.net> wrote: Hello Fellow Researchers, My name is Bob Pearce and I am new to the list. I subscribed because I have a difficult problem and am looking for ideas. My gg grandmother was MARY MALONEY born in Ireland according to census info. and her childrens marriage records. She married an Italian named Louis Ginocchio, (like Pinocchio) but with a G, about 1850-1855. My problem is that I have no other info. on her. I found her in Philadelphia, PA, in 1860, 4th ward, eastern division with her husband Louis and two children, Julia and Sarah. My great grandfather, Louis Jr. wasn't born yet. Louis Sr. shows up in Staten Island, New York, in 1865 and 1870 with what appears to be another woman. I have searched exhaustively in Staten Island and Manhattan the death of Mary Ginocchio to no avail. I am now searching Philadelphia death records for Mary Ginocchio with no success yet. I have asked the Philadelphia Diocesan Research center to search, which they have and have had no luck. They searched the records for 6 parishes in the area. I am beginning now to look at methodist church records as the children were all married by methodist ministers. I have begun to look at the housholders index of the Tithe Applotement books for Ireland as this is earlier than Griffiths evaluation and would cover the time before Mary would have emigrated. However, I see several references to the Tithe books but no actual Tithe books. Somewhere I read that the LDS church has the actual books on film but I can't seem to find any film numbers. I would like to look at the actual books if possible. Again, I have no other information, no townland, barony, or religion. I don't even have her fathers name to search for in a passenger list. Believe me, I have done most of it. Would appreciate any ideas on this brick wall. Thank you, Bob Pearce ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

Hi Bob, You indicate you are looking for "Mary Maloney" although in some earlier message board posts you are looking for "Julia Maloney." I have been unable to find your "Ginocchio" family in Philadelphia in 1860 nor in Staten Island in1870. I would like to see those census images. Can you tell me how they were indexed? Or, in the alternative provide me with the appropriate census citations. Also, additional information on dates and places of birth for all concerned as well as the married names of Julia and Sarah. Finally, where have you found your great grandfather Louis in the census? Mike On 11/20/05, Eileen & Bob Pearce <eileen070854@snet.net> wrote: > > > Hello Fellow Researchers, > > My name is Bob Pearce and I am new to > the list. I > subscribed because I have a difficult problem > and am > looking for ideas. > My gg grandmother was MARY MALONEY born > in Ireland > according to census info. and her childrens > marriage records. > She married an Italian named Louis Ginocchio, > (like Pinocchio) > but with a G, about 1850-1855. My problem is > that I have no > other info. on her. I found her in > Philadelphia, PA, in 1860, > 4th ward, eastern division with her husband > Louis and two > children, Julia and Sarah. My great > grandfather, Louis Jr. > wasn't born yet. Louis Sr. shows up in Staten > Island, New York, > in 1865 and 1870 with what appears to be > another woman. > I have searched exhaustively in Staten Island > and Manhattan > the death of Mary Ginocchio to no avail. I am > now searching > Philadelphia death records for Mary Ginocchio > with no success > yet. I have asked the Philadelphia Diocesan > Research center to > search, which they have and have had no luck. > They searched > the records for 6 parishes in the area. I am > beginning now to > look at methodist church records as the > children were all > married by methodist ministers. > I have begun to look at the housholders > index of the Tithe > Applotement books for Ireland as this is > earlier than > Griffiths evaluation and would cover the time > before Mary > would have emigrated. However, I see several > references to > the Tithe books but no actual Tithe books. > Somewhere I read > that the LDS church has the actual books on > film but I can't > seem to find any film numbers. I would like to > look at the > actual books if possible. > Again, I have no other information, no > townland, barony, > or religion. I don't even have her fathers > name to search for > in a passenger list. Believe me, I have done > most of it. > > Would appreciate any ideas on this brick wall. > > > Thank you, > Bob Pearce > > > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup > volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > >