Thank you to Jean R. for this history. I will pursue the book you suggest. I presume it may tell me from which ports in Ireland passengers embarked to reach England and then Plymouth to further their journey? Thanks Ruza Aust. On 30/01/2006, at 4:32 AM, Jean R. wrote: SNIPPET: As a general rule passenger lists will be found at the port of arrival rather than at the port of departure. Prior to 1890 surviving passenger lists in Ireland owe their existence to ship owners, who kept them for business reasons. The port of Derry is especially fortunate in this regard, having two series of such lists -- the shipping list of J. & J. COOKE (1847-1867), and William McCORKELL & Co. (1863-1871). These lists generally provide the name, age, and address of the passenger, and the name of the ship. In the years 1847 to 1867 J. & J. COOKE carried 21,199 passengers to North America. In 1847 alone it carried 5,071 emigrants: 1,197 (23%) to Philadelphia; 2,210 (44%) to St. John, New Brunswick, and 1,664 (33%) to Quebec. A look at the order book of J. & J. COOKE, which lists the emigrant's place of residence, confirms that Derry served as an emigration port for Cos. Donegal, Derry and Tyrone. Of 1,395 passengers carried on J. & J. COOKE ships in 1850, 533 (40%) came from Co. Donegal; 363 (26%) came from Co. Tyrone, and 307 (22%) from Co. Derry -- i.e. 88% of all passengers carried came from these three counties. By the 19th century the emigrant trade depended to a large extent on people in North America paying the fare to bring out family and friends. These "engaged" passengers ensured the viability of the passenger trade for Derry shipping firms in the middle years of the 19th century. For the years 1863 to 1871, the order book of William McCORKELL & Co., records the names of 5,184 passengers -- all these intending emigrants were "engaged" in Philadelphia by Messrs. Robert TAYLOR & Co. Published in "Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871," ed. Brian Mitchell, Genealogical Pub. Co., Baltimore, MD 1988, a copy of which may be in your genealogy library.

Not necessarily Ruza. Some left directly from Ireland. Some crossed to Liverpool and left from there. One account I have describes how the brothers caught a ferry to Scotland and then a coastal steamer down to Liverpool as did many of the Scots themselves. If only they'd known we'd be trying to work it out 150 years later! Jean, do you know if this book is still available for purchase? Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruza Trivan" <ruzat@bemail.com.au> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Business Records (COOKE/McCORKELL/TAYLOR) -- "Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871," ed. Brian Mitchell > Thank you to Jean R. for this history. I will pursue the book you > suggest. > I presume it may tell me from which ports in Ireland passengers > embarked to reach England and then Plymouth to further their journey? > > Thanks > Ruza > Aust. > > On 30/01/2006, at 4:32 AM, Jean R. wrote: > > SNIPPET: As a general rule passenger lists will be found at the port > of arrival rather than at the port of departure. > > Prior to 1890 surviving passenger lists in Ireland owe their > existence to ship owners, who kept them for business reasons. The >

Hello Beryl, The arrival notes on James O'Neill, list the ship as departing from Plymouth, so he, his wife and 3 small children somehow got to Plymouth before setting sail. I'd love to find out how. Decided to check out the State Library Victoria and there is a copy in the Genealogy section. Call No. 941.621 IR4M I used to live in Montmorency! Cheers from Breamlea (near Barwon Heads) Vic Ruza On 30/01/2006, at 9:29 PM, Beryl O'Gorman wrote: Not necessarily Ruza. Some left directly from Ireland. Some crossed to Liverpool and left from there. One account I have describes how the brothers caught a ferry to Scotland and then a coastal steamer down to Liverpool as did many of the Scots themselves. If only they'd known we'd be trying to work it out 150 years later! Jean, do you know if this book is still available for purchase? Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia