Hi Pete Thanks, I hadn't thought that the first letter could be T but as you said it does look similar to the T to the right of painter. You can't tell on the picture but it is the begining of "The mark of". The father's name does look like Adrienne but I think it's Edwin, spelt with two ns & with a squiggle on the end, I'm not sure why it's spelt like that, but on the other certificate he's down as Edward, (Edwin was the name I was looking for). Thank you so much for having a look, I'll try Threetop and see what I can come up with. Best wishes Teresa