Hi Paul - Your BURKE surname and given names are very common, so would be difficult to pin down unless you had a middle name. An unusual given name in the family could be mother's maiden ("nee") name in disguise or some other surname important to the family. A BURKE marriage to a Bridget wouldn't be all that common, however, I wouldn't think, and tend to narrow the search down. There are variations in the spelling of BURKE, as well, but chances are you have the correct spelling to use for research. *** I would suggest trying to find some definite documentation such as wills, cemetery records, etc. that you KNOW pertains to your particular family from the place where they emigrated (Liverpool). Each document should (hopefully) provide more clues. To "jump start" your research, consider paying a professional genealogist to get you started, help you collect documents on your particular family. Your living relatives might very well have some information to point to in a particular direction, so when you send out Christmas cards this year be sure to ask for their help!!! They may have an oral history in the family, can come up with important notations on old photographs, or have been collecting material themselves. On the Primary Valuation (1848-64) data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ there were a total of 4125 BURKE households in Ireland with 1028 BOURKE, and there are a couple other variations. Surname BURKE appears in nearly all the Irish counties. There are variations on records of course, commonly BOURKE, BURK, etc. At one point, you had asked about BURKE/MURRAY and there are more than 35 counties and/or major towns with civil parishes where both surnames appear. Important, as most couples married someone they knew in their own parish. Check out www.ireland.com/ancestor/ BURKE households were most prevalent: Co. Galway 906 Co. Tipperary 674 Co. Mayo 458 Co. Cork 332 (but only 26 in Cork city). Co. Limerick 283 Co. Clare 184 Co. Roscommon 139 Co. Waterford 133 etc. etc. BURKE: Very numerous: in all provinces, especially Connacht. Ir. de Búrca. One of the great Anglo-Norman families, coming in the person of William de Burgo in 1171. Becoming completely gaelicised, they produced many septs: MacHugo, MacGibbon, MacRedmond etc. They settled extensively in (province) Connacht. There are Family Histories in the National Library of Ireland: 1. T. U. Sadleir, "The Burkes of Marble Hall," (date?), shelf number Ir. 9292 b 10. 2. E. Burke, "Burke People and Places," Whitegate, 1984, Ir. 9292 b 55. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ Resource for research: http://www.cyndislist.com/ Not pertaining to you, apparently, but looking around the Internet I came up with three marriage records: Marriages in Ireland (Sligo) Bourke Edward/Mey Bridget 1818 Marriage Burke Edward/McGowan Bridget 1838 Marriage Burke Edward/Gannan Bridget 1914 Marriage JEAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Newbury" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Burke family > Dear Listers, > Can somebody help me find the birth of Bridget Murray born about 1847-8 > somewhere in Ireland, and record of her Catholic marriage to a John Burke > in the period 1863-69. She then had two sons also born in Ireland ( John > born about 1870 and Edward born about about 1872), before emigrated to > Liverpool sometime between 1872 and 1887. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > Yours Sincerely. > Paul Newbury

Hi Paul -- On reviewing your note, I see now that it was your John BURKE married to a Bridget. Check out the BURKE data at these two resources and also the MURRAY data. Check out BURK and BOURKE spellings, too, see if anything looks promising. Many records had misspellings or were illegible, transcribed incorrectly, etc. It is estimated that approximately 15% of events were not recorded. Be sure and try to find out more about your families from the Liverpool records and your living relatives. You can be pretty sure that there were other Johns and Edwards in your lines. Do you have the given names of the children in your families, anything outstanding? Jean Resources for Griffith's Valuation http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/csi/csi_main.cfm#Counties I see now that you were trying to locate a JOHN BURKE with a Bridget MURRAY. There were surprisingly many BURKEs who married Bridget's, many in Co. Sligo - check out #2 above. I didn't see a marriage match, but you can take a look and maybe find something useful. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Burke family - BURKE/BOURKE Hi Paul - Your BURKE surname and given names are very common, so would be difficult to pin down unless you had a middle name. An unusual given name in the family could be mother's maiden ("nee") name in disguise or some other surname important to the family. <snip> Dear Listers, > Can somebody help me find the birth of Bridget Murray born about 1847-8 > somewhere in Ireland, and record of her Catholic marriage to a John Burke > in the period 1863-69. She then had two sons also born in Ireland ( John > born about 1870 and Edward born about about 1872), before emigrated to > Liverpool sometime between 1872 and 1887. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > Yours Sincerely. > Paul Newbury

I have been looking for the name Burrus. Could this be a different varation of that name? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Burke family - BURKE/BOURKE Hi Paul - Your BURKE surname and given names are very common, so would be difficult to pin down unless you had a middle name. An unusual given name in the family could be mother's maiden ("nee") name in disguise or some other surname important to the family. A BURKE marriage to a Bridget wouldn't be all that common, however, I wouldn't think, and tend to narrow the search down. There are variations in the spelling of BURKE, as well, but chances are you have the correct spelling to use for research. *** I would suggest trying to find some definite documentation such as wills, cemetery records, etc. that you KNOW pertains to your particular family from the place where they emigrated (Liverpool). Each document should (hopefully) provide more clues. To "jump start" your research, consider paying a professional genealogist to get you started, help you collect documents on your particular family. Your living relatives might very well have some information to point to in a particular direction, so when you send out Christmas cards this year be sure to ask for their help!!! They may have an oral history in the family, can come up with important notations on old photographs, or have been collecting material themselves. On the Primary Valuation (1848-64) data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ there were a total of 4125 BURKE households in Ireland with 1028 BOURKE, and there are a couple other variations. Surname BURKE appears in nearly all the Irish counties. There are variations on records of course, commonly BOURKE, BURK, etc. At one point, you had asked about BURKE/MURRAY and there are more than 35 counties and/or major towns with civil parishes where both surnames appear. Important, as most couples married someone they knew in their own parish. Check out www.ireland.com/ancestor/ BURKE households were most prevalent: Co. Galway 906 Co. Tipperary 674 Co. Mayo 458 Co. Cork 332 (but only 26 in Cork city). Co. Limerick 283 Co. Clare 184 Co. Roscommon 139 Co. Waterford 133 etc. etc. BURKE: Very numerous: in all provinces, especially Connacht. Ir. de Búrca. One of the great Anglo-Norman families, coming in the person of William de Burgo in 1171. Becoming completely gaelicised, they produced many septs: MacHugo, MacGibbon, MacRedmond etc. They settled extensively in (province) Connacht. There are Family Histories in the National Library of Ireland: 1. T. U. Sadleir, "The Burkes of Marble Hall," (date?), shelf number Ir. 9292 b 10. 2. E. Burke, "Burke People and Places," Whitegate, 1984, Ir. 9292 b 55. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ Resource for research: http://www.cyndislist.com/ Not pertaining to you, apparently, but looking around the Internet I came up with three marriage records: Marriages in Ireland (Sligo) Bourke Edward/Mey Bridget 1818 Marriage Burke Edward/McGowan Bridget 1838 Marriage Burke Edward/Gannan Bridget 1914 Marriage JEAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Newbury" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Burke family > Dear Listers, > Can somebody help me find the birth of Bridget Murray born about 1847-8 > somewhere in Ireland, and record of her Catholic marriage to a John Burke > in the period 1863-69. She then had two sons also born in Ireland ( John > born about 1870 and Edward born about about 1872), before emigrated to > Liverpool sometime between 1872 and 1887. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > Yours Sincerely. > Paul Newbury ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.5/899 - Release Date: 7/13/2007 3:41 PM