unsubscribe Hilsen, Fran Garwick -----Original Message----- From: ireland-request@rootsweb.com To: ireland@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 1:57 pm Subject: IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 Today's Topics: 1. Nineteenth Century "missing friends" (Michael Thompson) 2. Registrar's districts (Michael Thompson) 3. "I Was A Labourer" - Sean JENNETT (b. 1910) (Jean R.) 4. "The Song of the Old Mother" - William Butler YEATS (1865-1939) Dublin>London (Jean R.) 5. Cork's Michael COLLINS ( 1890-1922)/IRA -- Position/Irish American Convention NYC (1917) (Jean R.) 6. Re: Registrar's districts (hiflyte) 7. Re: Registrar's districts (Jean R.) 8. Registrar's districts (CIGO) 9. Re: IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 (fgarwick@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:30:20 +0000 From: Michael Thompson <mike@genealogyresearch.org.uk> Subject: [IRELAND] Nineteenth Century "missing friends" To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <C62FA5CD-C025-4510-9EED-A93D34BDE912@genealogyresearch.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Apologies if this has been posted before, I don't recall seeing the following website mentioned on this mailing list: http://infowanted.bc.edu It gives free access to a searchable database of adverts that were placed in the Boston Pilot newspaper between 1831 and 1921 by people looking for friends and relatives who had emigrated from Ireland to the United States. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:06:16 +0000 From: Michael Thompson <mike@genealogyresearch.org.uk> Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CE734C6A-D984-4FE5-9504-38793F090731@genealogyresearch.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in Kings County". Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th century records.) Thanks. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:28:11 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] "I Was A Labourer" - Sean JENNETT (b. 1910) To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0a4201c96d07$decf3550$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I WAS A LABOURER I was a labourer in the smoky valley, within the high walls, the tall dark walls of the mills, where the hills go up to the wild moor. I am a dog of the dales, broad is my speech, and my ways are not the smooth ways of the south, but hard, and used to keener weather. All week I worked among the looms while the cloth slacked out and the shuttles clacked swiftly, as the woof was shot through the warp and through my brain dim with the webs of years. All week I was the servant of the loom, chained to the steel for the promise of meagre coin, six days a week, but Sunday comes soon, and I am my master for the waking day that found me with my whippet on the moor. O my faithful lass! Soft was her fell; her eyes were like deep pools stained with peat, shafted with light; and intelligent. She was long in the body, but strong of limb and rib, and her muscles moved under the skin like currents in a bay of the river. She was swift as the wind or as the summer swallow, and I would pit her with the local dogs, backing her swiftness with my sweaty coin and many a shilling have I won with her to spend on some wet evening in a pub or buy the tickets at the picture palace when I took out the girl I meant to marry -- but that is all forgotten with the flesh. I was a labourer in the smoky valley: I am a brittle bone projecting from the sand. -- Sean Jennett (born 1910) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:30:20 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] "The Song of the Old Mother" - William Butler YEATS (1865-1939) Dublin>London To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0a4801c96d08$2f35f100$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The Song of the Old Mother W B Yeats I Rise in the dawn, and I kneel and blow Till the seed of the fire flicker and glow; And then I must scrub and bake and sweep Till stars are beginning to blink and peep; And the young lie long and dream in their bed Of the matching of ribbons for bosom and head, And their day goes over in idleness, And they sigh if the wind but lift a tress; While I must work because I am old, And the seed of the fire gets feeble and cold. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:38:12 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Cork's Michael COLLINS ( 1890-1922)/IRA -- Position/Irish American Convention NYC (1917) To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0a5901c96d09$449fb3e0$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original SNIPPET: Per Edward T. O'Donnell's "1001 Things Everyone Should Know About Irish American History" (2002) - the man most responsible for the success by the Irish Republic Army against the British was Michael COLLINS (1890-1922). Born into a farming family in Cork, he grew to embrace the Irish nationalism of his father and schoolmaster (the latter a member of the Irish Republic Brotherhood). At 16, he took a clerkship in London, where he learned finance and developed organizational and planning skills - all of which served him well after he joined the IRB. COLLINS participated in the Easter Rising of 1916, but was not recognized as a leader and spared execution. In 1919 the First Dail Eireann named him minister of finance. He also acted as a director of intelligence, a position that made him a key figure in the buildup of the Irish Volunteers (soon recognized as the Irish Republican Army). In these capacities COLLINS organized the acquisition and distribution of arms for the IRA and established an ingenious intelligence network that kept him informed of British operations. He also devised the successful guerrilla tactics employed with such effectiveness against the British army and Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC). In the midst of the mounting violence, COLLINS engineered Eamon de VALERA's sensational escape from prison in April 1919. Unanimously elected president of the Dail, de VALERA immediately set about gaining international recognition of the Irish Republic founded by Sinn Fein. He sent Sean O'KELLY to the Versailles Peace Conference, where the great powers were meeting in the aftermath of WWI. He quickly discovered, however, that U. S. President Woodrow WILSON (grandson of Scotch-Irish immigrants from Co. Antrim) had no intention of upsetting his British allies by pushing for Irish independence. In response, de VALERA decided to tour the U. S. to arouse support for American recognition of the Irish Republic and gather financial donations from Irish Americans. Arriving in June of 1919, he toured the country for a year and a half, drawing widespread popular support and raising the astounding sum of six million dollars. But he failed in his primary goal of achieving official recognition by the American government. His stay in America also resulted in a rift with the leaders of Irish American nationalism, John DEVOY and Judge Daniel COHALAN, who resented his effort to organize Irish American support for the Republic independent of their control. Back in March 1916, during the first of three "Irish Race Conventions" convened in NYC by Clan Gael, a new nationalist organization was born, the Friends of Irish Freedom. Dedicated to seeing Ireland "cut off from England and restored to its rightful place among the nations of the earth," the FOIF played a major role in stirring up Irish nationalist sentiment in the U. S. and raising millions of dollars for the independence movement in Ireland. By the time de VALERA arrived in June 1919, membership in the organization had surged to more than 250,000. Statement issued at the Irish American Convention, NYC, May 14, 1917: "RESOLVED, that this assemblage of American citizens of Irish blood, loyal to the United States, and ready to defend her honor and interests, and recognizing that our Government is entitled to the best advice that Irishmen who understand the situation can give, urgently request the President and Congress to demand that England make good her promises in the only way possible in regard to Ireland, namely by according to the Irish people their indubitable right to be regarded as a sovereign people, and by granting to Ireland full national independence...and be it RESOLVED, that we therefore submit to the President and Congress that America's entry into the war for democracy and civilization gives our government the right, and imposes upon it the duty, to demand from England that she settle the Irish Question permanently and finally..." The guerrilla campaign waged by Michael COLLINS and the IRA was to take a severe toll on the Royal Irish Constabulary and British Army by the end of 1919. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:00:42 -0700 From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <495E645A.7000107@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The following URL will answer your PLU Question http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm http://www.genfindit.com/irlplu.htm http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/ http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/RegDistricts.htm SeantRuad/Ireatlas: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/ireatlas/ Bob Cdn ====================================== Michael Thompson wrote: <SNIP> > ...Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the > Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ > were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th > century records.)... > ======================= ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:15:55 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <118301c96d0e$89c3f3a0$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original For better understanding of complicated Irish Land Divisions http://www.dochara.com/info/roots/land.php#poor-law Poor Law Unions can be found for each Irish county on the (all-Ireland) 1850's IreAtlas at the Leitrim-Roscommon.com/ website. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thompson" <mike@genealogyresearch.org.uk> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts > Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which > Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in > the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in > Kings County". > > Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the > Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ > were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th > century records.) > > Thanks. > > Michael Thompson > condran@one-name.org > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:35:46 -0000 From: "CIGO" <info@cigo.ie> Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAKM3eeW87PRIscKa+Z4peD0BAGGMWek4D09GtIB3KTaCLgoAAAAAS0cAABAAAADyg9jSoJScQqYWfKNaSgSHAQAAAAA=@cigo.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You might try obtaining a copy of this book published by CIGO: http://www.cigo.ie/eig2.html Best wishes, Des Clarke Hon. Sec., CIGO -----Original Message----- From: ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: 02 January 2009 18:06 To: ireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in Kings County". Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th century records.) Thanks. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:57:30 -0500 From: fgarwick@aol.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CB3B3C3E098C46-1130-732@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" unsubscribe Hilsen, Fran Garwick -----Original Message----- From: ireland-request@rootsweb.com To: ireland@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:00 am Subject: IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records (james0319) 2. Re: References: Letters & Memoirs, Colonial & Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 -- Parish of Maghera, Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records (Jean R.) 3. Birthplace for Cove family (chris giles) 4. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Patricia O'Shea) 5. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Mike Saunders) 6. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (chris giles) 7. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (hiflyte) 8. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Jean R.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:12:14 -0500 From: james0319 <james0319@aol.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records To: irl-ulster@rootsweb.com, ireland-l@rootsweb.com, irl-surnames-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <ba26da66.eded.4dbd.a8d8.cd2a3ade9f0b@aol.com> Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know where I can find vital records, particularly birrths / baptisms for the townlands of Slaghtybogy and Maghera, (and also any other VR's or substitutes for the Parish of Maghera )in the 1700's? Many thanks, Jim ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:57:20 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] References: Letters & Memoirs, Colonial & Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 -- Parish of Maghera, Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <05ed01c96c42$c7293e20$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Jim - What surnames are you researching? You might want to compose an addendum with the surnames in caps on the subject line. Perhaps you, and others, might be interested in the following books for research/background: 1. "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors," John Grenham (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 1997), is a reader-friendly, comprehensive reference by expert Grenham with detailed explanations of all types of records available, (censuses and census substitutes) to include voter's lists, military, journals, directories, graveyard inscriptions, and a chapter on each county in the whole of Ireland. 2. Irish Immigrants in the Land of Canaan: Letters and Memoirs from Colonial and Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 by Kerby A. Miller, Arnold Schrier, Bruce D. Boling, and David N. Doyle (Paperback - Mar 27, 2003). Also available in hardback. Excerpt - page 568: "... , Pa., to John, Robert, and James Johnson, Slaghtybogy, c/o James Barclay, Maghera, Co. Derry, 27 November 1767. 3. Colby, Col., "Ordnance Survey Memoir of the County of Londonderry" (Dublin 1837). 4. PRONI (Public Record Office of Northern Ireland), "A Register of Trees for Co. Londonderry, 1768-1911 (Belfast 1984), includes names of tenant planters. 5. Spinning-Wheel Premium Lists. Microfiche index in National Archives (Dublin). Names and parishes of those granted spinning-wheels by the government on the basis of areas planted with flax, comprising, in the case of Co. Londonderry, over 8,000 names. 6. In the mid-to-late 1990s, Angelique Day and Patrick McWilliams produced many reference books on the 1830's "Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland" to include at least two on Co. Londonderry. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "james0319" <james0319@aol.com> To: <irl-ulster@rootsweb.com>; <ireland-l@rootsweb.com>; <irl-surnames-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records > Does anyone know where I can find vital records, particularly birrths / > baptisms for the townlands of Slaghtybogy and Maghera, (and also any other > VR's or substitutes for the Parish of Maghera )in the 1700's? Many > thanks, Jim > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:11:43 -0000 From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <IRELAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY127-DS4C86995230DDA4C24CC99DAE50@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born in Ireland. The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make it out.... It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a certain part in Ireland? Thanking you Chris G ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:48:01 +1300 From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B231D1AD271A4913926838EE5A01B6AC@acer7fd9a64054> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The letters beside Eliza look like NK which usually means 'Not Known'. I agree that the birthplace for John looks like your version but it may be what the enumerator heard said rather than how it is actually spelt. This is not helpful of course! I have looked on Seanruad for a number of combinations of this word without success. The only COVEs in the Griffiths Valuations that I can see are in Kilkenny county. Others may have more useful suggestions. Best wishes, Patsy - New Zealand - Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... > It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing > at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is > there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can > send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace > R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? > Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a > certain part in Ireland? > Thanking you Chris G > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:16:58 -0600 From: "Mike Saunders" <csaunders65@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d046e1bc0901011316v16677eb2s2f7b9d9ea8f10128@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:11 PM, chris giles <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com>wrote: > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... Chris, Here are several possibilities but I am inclined to believe Co. Kilkenny is probably where you should concentrate your search. I found two John Cove's baptismal records both in Co. Kilkenny. The Irish Family History Foundation can be searched for free if one registers. If one wants to purchase the information it can be done online. The IreAtlas Townland Data Base Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster Tullyratty 223 Down Lecale Lower Ballyculter Downpatrick Ulster http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresrch Irish Family History Foundation Church Baptism Cove John 1809 Co. Kilkenny Church Baptism Cove John 1834 Co. Kilkenny http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php Happy New Year, Mike Saunders Universal City, TX ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:39:26 -0000 From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY127-DS5491D557F740C7298F380DAE50@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Mike Thanks for that info and the web sites to where I can search. Being new to tracing Irish relatives I was stuck a little. Especially with not being able to find the birth place. but now at least have something to start with. Happy New Year regards Chris G > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:11 PM, chris giles > <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi >> I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born >> in Ireland. >> The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that >> he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't >> make >> it out.... > > > Chris, > > Here are several possibilities but I am inclined to believe Co. Kilkenny > is > probably where you should concentrate your search. I found two John > Cove's > baptismal records both in Co. Kilkenny. The Irish Family History > Foundation > can be searched for free if one registers. If one wants to purchase the > information it can be done online. > > The IreAtlas Townland Data Base > Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province > Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster > Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster > Tullyratty 223 Down Lecale Lower Ballyculter Downpatrick Ulster > http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresrch > > Irish Family History Foundation > Church Baptism Cove John 1809 Co. Kilkenny > Church Baptism Cove John 1834 Co. Kilkenny > http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php > > Happy New Year, > > Mike Saunders > Universal City, TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:06:56 -0700 From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <495D4C90.9030001@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Chris, Griffith Vauation list three Cove surnames in Ireland. Cove Francis Jamesgreen,Jamesgreen St. Canices Kilkenny Cove Joseph Jamesgreen,Jamesgreen St. Canices Kilkenny Cove Francis Lane To Bishop's Meadows,Bishopsmeadows St. Canices Kilkenny The following URL has links to Kilkenny sites: http://www.genealogylinks.net/uk/ireland/kilkenny/ Bob Cdn ==================================== ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:16:19 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <09e001c96c66$f4cd0270$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Chris - The surname search at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ shows that there were only three COVE households in the whole of Ireland (1848-1864 Primary Valuation) and ALL in Co. Kilkenny. For a small fee, they can tell you which civil parish/es they lived in. Do you have a definite reference to Ireland, as opposed to Scotland, another place in England, etc. that might have a reference to "Theyne...." Do you have a maiden ("nee") surname for a marriage that took place in Ireland? Do any of the sons have an unusual given name that could reflect mother's maiden name in disguise or another surname important to the family? The all-Ireland townland search at the Leitrim-Roscommon.com website shows some "sound-alikes" for Co. Kilkenny but nothing that starts with Th. When I set the search for Co. Kilkenny and "ends with y," I was returned 144 hits, which you can check out. If you feel certain that it begins with a T, then probably one of these locations: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Tibberaghny 1,147 Kilkenny Iverk Tibberaghny Carrick on Suir Leinster Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnakeenly 188 Kilkenny Gowran Powerstown Thomastown Leinster Tinnakilly 262 Kilkenny Iverk Fiddown Carrick on Suir Leinster Tinnakilly 228 Kilkenny Shillelogher Killaloe Callan Leinster Tinnaranny 826 Kilkenny Ida Rosbercon New Ross Leinster Tinnascarty 112 Kilkenny Galmoy Sheffin Urlingford Leinster Tinnascolly 300 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster Tomakeany 191 Kilkenny Fassadinin Kilmacar Castlecomer Leinster Tullanvoolty 435 Kilkenny Galmoy Erke Urlingford Leinster ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> To: <IRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... > It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing > at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is > there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can > send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace > R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? > Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a > certain part in Ireland? > Thanking you Chris G ------------------------------ To contact the IRELAND list administrator, send an email to IRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. 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