Hello I'm new to the list and hope that sks will point me in the right direction. My Kennedy family came from Co Tipperary, but I am not sure which Ballinderry and Ballingarry and I seem to have identified several in both Tipperary North & South. I have identified John Kennedy b1779 in Ballinderry, married Margaret O'Dwyer 1804 died 1842 as the likely parent of Patrick Kennedy who brought his family to England but have no details of him. I have a baptism record for this Patrick Kennedy year 1809, the parish/district is Nenagh. Patrick married Margaret O'Connors in 1837 in St Mary's church, Cahir parish. The family men all worked in the coal mines in England, which may mean that they were a mining family in Co Tipperary. Any information will be most gratefully received! June M   "May your blessings outnumber the shamrocks that grow And may trouble avoid you wherever you go"  Irish blessing Researching  Jackson & Kennedy in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and Ireland

Added Note: Relive the story of Galway town from medieval times, through the famine to the present day, where arts play a major role in the city. Highlights include a rare 17th century altar piece, the new location of the statue of storyteller Padraic O Conaire and a Galway Hooker boat. Open year round. www.galwaycity.ie Nora Barnacle Museum - Smallest museum in Ireland pays tribute to Nora Barnacle, wife and inspiration of James Joyce. Nora and her six siblings lived in this tiny, two-roomed house, lovingly restored to its former glory, and it was the downstairs kitchen that Joyce met his mother-in-law Annie Barnacle for the first time. www.norabarnacle.com In south county Galway, on the edge of the famous Burren (a unique limestone desert area), the seaside village of Kinvara is renowned for its picturesque beauty. Its traditional fishing boats and cottages are worthy of an Irish fairytale. Truly a place to discover the 'real Ireland.' www.kinvara.com Dunguaire Castle - this beautiful 16th century castle is one of Kinvara's most famous landmarks. Now owned by Shannon Heritage, it sits on a rocky outcrop overlooking Galway Bay. Visitors can visit the castle from May to September, while the Dunguaire Castle Banquet nights run from April-October, with an evening of music, song, and a four-course meal. Ross Abbey: Just west of Headford town, 15 miles (24 kilometers) from Galway city, this friary, founded in 1357, is one of the best preserved ancient buildings in Ireland. A spectacular view over the landscape below can be enjoyed from the Church tower. www.headford.org/ross Some 35 miles (56 kilometers) in length, and eight miles (13 km.) in breadth, Lough Corrib is the second largest sheet of inland fresh water in Ireland. It's regarded as one of the best game fisheries in the world, while its reputed 365 islands and backdrop of the lar-Connact (wet Connact) hills make it a place of breathtaking beauty. Numerous tours, guides and cruises available. www.galway-ireland.ie/lough-corrib Who could visit the west coast of Ireland and not take a trip to the Aran Islands, steeped in history, heritage and culture? Situated right on the edge of Europe, the islands are the perfect place to get a sense of true Gaelic spirit, and the inhabitants have a well-earned reputation for warm hospitality. Enjoy flora, fauna, peaceful scenery and unpolluted seas by day, and experience an Irish welcome at an island pub for music and dance by night. Ninety minutes by ferry from Galway city dockside. www.visitaranislands.com Glengowla Mines - Glengowla are 19th century silver and lead mines, which have become famous among mineral collectors for their quartz, calcite, and the rare blue-green octahedral fluorite crystals. The mines show techniques of extracting ore and processing it, 19th-century style. Open March to November daily, and December-February by appointment. Tel: 091 552021. - Excerpts, Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine Jan-Feb 2009 issue. (Note: A lister has pointed out a flaw in the Kylemore Abbey and Garden snippet - thank you! - so am posting another note.) My sister and I enjoyed the tranquility and birdsong on our walk through the grounds and the warm welcomes of the nuns on our guided Globus coach tour in the summer of 2006. The setting is very picturesque and we took many marvelous photographs of the area. The Benedictine Community has announced that they have, regrettably, decided to close the School in August 2010. It is my understanding that the abbey and grounds will continue to be available to tourists, but check their website: www.kylemoreabbey.com SNIPPET: One of the most beautiful places my sister and I visited on our summer 2006 trip to Ireland was Kylemore Abbey in Co. Galway. This is a "must-see" for anyone visiting Ireland! There is a real sense of peace there. Kylemore Abbey was originally built as Kylemore Castle by Manchester textile tycoon Michael HENRY in the 1860's and was a present to his beloved wife. They'd fallen in love with the area when on their honeymoon in 1849 and reportedly spent £155,000 to buy the land. They spent a further £250,000 to create their dream world. Boggy land was drained and thousands of trees were planted to serve as a windbreak for the Medieval styled fruit orchard and exotic gardens, which has just been reopened in 2000 after restoration brought it back to Lord HENRY's original design. Tragedy struck the family when HENRY's beloved wife died after contracting Nile Fever in 1874. In her honor he commissioned the building of the Gothic Cathedral, which is situated at the far end of the estate and is accessible by the tree-lined footpath. It's an exact replica of Norwich Cathedral in England. His wife was embalmed and her body buried in the mausoleum next to the church. In 1892, HENRY's daughter was killed in a freak accident when her horse threw her into a nearby river. HENRY was so overwhelmed with grief that he put the estate up for sale in 1894 but it was taken off market when the estate failed to fetch a reasonable price. It was finally sold to a U. S. tycoon named ZIMMERMAN from Cincinnati, OH, as a gift for his daughter, the DUCHESS of MANCHESTER. But not long after it was sold to an order of Benedictine Nuns who still run a private girls school there today. There are a few rooms open in the abbey, as well as the styled gardens, tree walk and the church. The grounds by the lake are a bit of paradise on earth! Jean SNIPPET: Per the March-April 2000 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine, the Kylemore Abbey Gardens were being restored -- "The Benedictine Nuns and their team have spent the last four years restoring their six-acre Victorian walled garden which lies one mile west of one of Ireland's most renowned heritage sites - Kylemore Abbey. This is the largest walled garden in the West of Ireland. The garden has been owned by the Benedictine Nuns since 1920, but it dates back to 1867, when it was created by an Englishman, Mitchell HENRY. This project was grant-aided by 'The Great Gardens of Ireland Restoration Scheme' and supported by FAS. Now for the first time since the mid 1880s, the garden is open to visitors. Carved out of mountain and bog, with shady walkways, this spectacular garden is laid out in typical late Victorian style with brightly coloured geometric flower beds. A microclimate exists within the walls of the garden. A mountain stream meanders between the trees dividing the garden into two distinct areas: the 'kitchen garden' as the Victorians called the vegetable garden and the 'pleasure garden' as they called the more ascetically pleasing area. Glasshouses once included separate houses for figs, palms, tropical plants and bananas. There was a display house for ornamental flowering plants, tomatoes, melons and nectarines. The beautiful largely intact entrance gates are still standing and remain a testament to the craftsmanship of their time. The garden walls stretch for up to half a mile long. The head gardener's cottage has been beautifully restored and is decorated in typical Victorian colours. The bothy, where he gardening staff once lived, is scheduled to be opened as museum in Spring 2000. The original garden is slowly being re-awakened by the Benedictine nuns, Ann GOLDEN and her team, who are using only traditional methods to restore this wonderful garden." The scenery around Kylemore Abbey and its shallow lake is stunning. This neo-Gothic country house was built by wealthy English businessman Mitchell HENRY in the 1860s after he and his wife had honeymooned in the area. They are now both buried on the grounds. During the First World War, refugee Benedictine nuns from Belgium took it over, and today, it is an exclusive girls' boarding school. www.kylemoreabbey.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 4:49 PM Subject: [IRELAND] A Dozen Galway Highlights > SNIPPET: Galway Bay has been immortalised in poetry and songs of old, > Galway Bay stretches for 31 miles (50 kilometers) along the west coast of > Ireland. <snip>

SNIPPET: Galway Bay has been immortalised in poetry and songs of old, Galway Bay stretches for 31 miles (50 kilometers) along the west coast of Ireland. Whether it's sailing, cruising, deep sea fishing or simply a coastal drive you're after, this is undoubtedly the most beautiful, and famous bay in Ireland to be enjoyed. The Gaeltacht: Immerse yourself in Irish culture in one of its most original forms with a visit to the Gaeltacht area of Galway. Many of the Irish speakers work and study in Galway town. Thoor Ballylee tower, not far from Coole, was home to poet William Butler Yeats and the Yeats family until 1929. In 1965, the Norman tower was restored and is now a Yeats museum. Winter visitors can arrange viewing the castle by calling 091 537700. Roisin Dubh: Located in the west of Galway City (the 'heart and soul' of the town) is perhaps the west of Ireland's most famous live music venue. Host to some of Ireland's finest home-grown musicians, like Christy Moore, Damien Dempsey and Snow Patrol, Roisin Dubh has certainly cemented itself as a diverse music venue, and one of Galway's biggest night life attractions. www.roisindubh.net Atlantaquarium - The National Aquarium of Ireland is located in the suburb of Salthill. A major visitor attraction, it is the home to Ireland's largest display of marine and fresh water life. Over 150 species are on display, as well as talks and tours from the enthusiastic staff. www.nationalaquarium.ie Connemara National Park covers over 7,500 acres (3,000 hectares) of mountains, bogs, heaths, grasslands and woodlands. The Park is mainly responsible for the west of Ireland's reputation as one of the most beautiful, unspoilt places in the world. It is also home to varied birdlife, and the park's own herd of Connemara Ponies. www.connemaranationalpark.ie One of my favorites -- Lake-side Kylemore Abbey and Garden, the oldest of the Irish Benedictine Abbeys, offers a warm welcome in the Benedictine tradition, which spans over 1,500 years. The visitor center enlightens its guest to the Abbey's rich history, while the walled gardens provide six acres (2.4 hectares) of flower, fruit and vegetable gardens in a truly beautiful, peaceful setting abounding in lush greenery. Stroll at your leisure Make a trip to Roundstone in Connemara, to see one of the most spectacular coastal drives in Europe, overlooking the Atlantic ocean, and right at the foot of Errisbeg Mountain. A popular holiday resort town, it keeps tradition alive through its craft center. Pottery, jewellery and musical instrument making (bodrans), fishing and quarrying, are all features of the area. www.roundstone.ie The Bold Art Gallery: At the heart of Galway city, you will find this vibrant gallery, where thirty contemporary artists have their original art on display at any given time. www.boldartgallery.com Another gallery well worth a visit is The Kenny Gallery, which has been showing works of art for over fifty years including the works of Jack Yeats. The gallery hosts 18 exhibitions each year, including those of visiting artists from Europe and the United States. www.thekennygallery.ie The Claddagh Ring Museum: The Claddagh ring is synonymous with the west of Ireland, and originated in a small fishing village near the shore (or 'claddagh') of Galway Bay. Visit this museum to see some of he first Claddagh rings every made, dating from the 1700s, as well as gaining some insight into the making of the Claddagh. Adjoining the museum is Thomas Dillon's Claddagh gold jewellers, the oldest makers of the Claddagh since 1750. www.claddaghring.ie Connemara Smokehouse - a family run business near Ballyconneely, it's one of the world's leading names in seafood. Stop in to see how local, smoked fish is hand-produced, using traditional smoking methods and, of course, try some of the delicious produce. www.smokehouse.ie

THE PLANTER'S DAUGHTER When night stirred at sea And the fire brought a crowd in, They say that her beauty Was music in mouth And few in the candlelight Thought her too proud, For the house of the planter Is known by the trees. Men that had seen her Drank deep and were silent, The women were speaking Wherever she went -- As a bell that is rung Or a wonder told shyly, And O she was the Sunday In every week. -- Augustine Joseph Clarke (1896-1974)

LINES WRITTEN IN A COUNTRY PARSON'S ORCHARD The stock whom Cromwell planted here, Tough seedlings of efficiency, Has walled its acres in, from fear, Founded a generous dynasty. His plea with God, his door ajar The Rector listens to the rooks; Puzzling the scourge of total war Clings to his fishing-rods and books. And so, the Mistress of the House, Her servants mortgaged to the times, Now weeds and plants, her haughty grouse Hushed by the apple-trees and limes. And if the Mistress' back is bent, Her heart is broken from the knowledge That all her psalms and thrift have meant Sweet nothing to her son at College. In raffia gardening-hat, and gloves, Godly as one of Millet's GLEANERS, Stooping, she sighs because she loves The youth despite his misdemeanours. Each week her pleas oppress the lad: "Oh, make Dean Swift your inspiration..." She disremembers Swift went mad Before his genius shocked the nation. Unanswered every one. The boy, Pursuing an evasive Venus, Is amorous, matricidal, coy -- A nineteen-year-old blond Adonis. Impatient of the rustic Church, His bibles all are secular: Should Mary leave him in the lurch He'll follow his integral star, And, poet of the mouldering home, He still will live to sing and see How little reaped where they had sown -- The generous Ascendancy. -- Leslie Daiken (b. 1912)

Hello Mary English research is so much easier than Irish research! A lot more records have survived, more of them have been transcribed, a lot are available on-line and often (but not always) free, spelling is variable as you get further back but not so variable as it was in Ireland and the civil registration goes back to 1837. Most civil registration indexes are now on-line. http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl If you have a subscription to Ancestry or Find My past use that. Birth, marriage and death certificates back to 1837 are available from the General Register Office http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/order_certificates/certificare_fees/ birth--marriage--and--death--certificates.asp They cost 7GBP each if you supply the reference from the FreeBMD website and they take Visa etc. No need to go through one of the agencies which get certificates for you for an additional fee. You can order from the local register office, if you know which one it is, they hold the original registers, the GRO only have contemporary transcripts of those, but the local offices don't always accept plastic, so from overseas it's probably better to order from the GRO. In England you don't generally get baptism certificates. Most parish registers have been deposited at the appropriate County Record Office/Archives and most of them have filmed their Parish Registers so all you need is either a print-out from the film or perhaps just the info. http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/archives. Remember that Bristol is a large city, it will help if you can narrow it down to the area or parish. A lot of English parish register films are available from the LDS http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp but not all the bishops will allow the LDS to have copies of their registers. Unfortunately the Bristol registers may be in this group as there's no likely David Townsend baptism on the IGI. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp I've had a quick look at Ancestry/FreeBMD and found a David Townsend born Jan/Feb/Mar 1841 Keynsham Registration District, Volume XI, page 131 Was that your man? Can't find him on the 1841 or 1851 census - unless the family moved away from Keynsham/Bristol when he was a small baby. A couple of other websites to look at are: http://www.ukgenealogy.co.uk/gls.htm http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/ Hope that helps Brenda On 4 Jan 2009, at 02:37, Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > I have finally found my g g grandparents particulars for the Bristol > area of England.  My g grandfather married my g grandmother in > Limerick City County Limerick in 1862.  It is his parents of > Welsh/English nationality who lived in Bristol:  David and Eliza > TOWNSEND.. >   > How would one go about getting Civil birth, marriage and death > certificates for that area.  Also, how would one locate Protestant > churches who were established in 1840 for his baptism certificate. >   > Appreciate any info or guidance for England of the 19th century > records.  Realize this is an Irish list, but many of us have links to > England either via emigration to or emigration from to Ireland. >   > Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

Update: National Archives of Ireland 1911 Census Records http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie:80/ The 1901 and 1911 censuses are the only surviving full censuses of Ireland open to the public. Both censuses cover the island of Ireland. They were released to public inspection in 1961, because of the stream of requests for information about people's ages, particularly those born before civil registration of births began in 1864. The records for 1911 are being digitised first, then those for 1901. The 1911 census was taken on 2 April 1911. The 1911 Census records for DUBLIN, ANTRIM, DOWN and KERRY are now available on line for researching. Publication of the other counties will follow, in the order listed below, between now and mid-2009. More precise time scales will be posted when available. a.. Donegal b.. Cork c.. Wexford d.. Galway e.. King's County (Offaly) f.. Limerick g.. Mayo h.. Waterford i.. Armagh j.. Carlow k.. Cavan l.. Clare m.. Fermanagh n.. Kildare o.. Kilkenny p.. Leitrim q.. Londonderry (Derry) r.. Longford s.. Louth t.. Meath u.. Monaghan v.. Queen's County (Laois) w.. Roscommon x.. Sligo y.. Tipperary z.. Tyrone aa.. Westmeath ab.. Wicklow

Many thanks to Bob, Jean and Des for their speedly and helpful answers to my civil registration query about registrar's districts and unions. I now have some very useful sites to look into and another Irish genealogy book which I think I'll just have to buy! Thank you again. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran

What is the name of your g grandfather who was born in England and his approximate date of birth? Mike On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > I have finally found my g g grandparents particulars for the Bristol area > of England. My g grandfather married my g grandmother in Limerick City > County Limerick in 1862. It is his parents of Welsh/English nationality who > lived in Bristol: David and Eliza TOWNSEND.. > > How would one go about getting Civil birth, marriage and death certificates > for that area. Also, how would one locate Protestant churches who were > established in 1840 for his baptism certificate. > > Appreciate any info or guidance for England of the 19th century records. > Realize this is an Irish list, but many of us have links to England either > via emigration to or emigration from to Ireland. > > Thank you, > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have finally found my g g grandparents particulars for the Bristol area of England.  My g grandfather married my g grandmother in Limerick City County Limerick in 1862.  It is his parents of Welsh/English nationality who lived in Bristol:  David and Eliza TOWNSEND..   How would one go about getting Civil birth, marriage and death certificates for that area.  Also, how would one locate Protestant churches who were established in 1840 for his baptism certificate.   Appreciate any info or guidance for England of the 19th century records.  Realize this is an Irish list, but many of us have links to England either via emigration to or emigration from to Ireland.   Thank you,   Mary Ellen Chambers

SNIPPET: Per the Jan-Feb 2009 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine: "It's the question of all of County Offaly, and indeed most of Ireland, is asking. When will President Barack OBAMA visit the home of his Irish ancestors? The wheels are already in motion. Ireland's Taoiseach (Prime Minister) Brian COWEN, Offaly's leading son, didn't waste too much time after Senator OBAMA morphed into President-elect OBAMA. The invitation to visit Ireland was made in a pre-arranged phone call on November 18th. Mr. COWAN was in Thomond Park in Limerick at the time, having just formally opened the spanking new stadium there before watching Munster almost beat New Zealand's legendary All Blacks rugby team. President-elect OBAMA's third great-grandfather, Fulmouth KEARNEY and his family were members of the Church of Ireland in Moneygall, Co. Offaly - which happens to be in Mr. COWAN's Dail (parliament) constituency. Mr. KEARNEY, a shoemaker by trade, left Ireland in 1850 and settled in OH, where he took to farming. In 1960 his direct descendant, Ann DUNHAM, married a Kenyan student, Mr. OBAMA. Their son will be the 44th President of the United States. An Irish Government spokesperson said Mr. COWAN congratulated Mr. OBAMA on his election, and 'stressed the importance the Government attaches to Ireland's relationship with the United States.' The two men then talked about President-elect OBAMA's connections to Co. Offaly, and Mr. COWAN took the opportunity to update him on developments in Northern Ireland. In terms of Irish representation among the presidential and vice-presidential candidates in the U. S. election, we had all bets covered - all four of them have Irish roots!"

SNIPPET: Found on another Irish list: "Among recent discovery I found a very interesting free searchable website which may be of interest to some of you. Their motto is...'Building the world's largest searchable archive of historical newspapers.' They have a couple of hundred newspapers listed from around the world, many from Canada and in particular the Irish-Canadian News from the 1860's. The website is free but requires registration..........two thumbs up for this site!!!" http://www.paperofrecord.com ** Added Note: Another popular website for excerpts from vintage Irish and Irish-American newspapers: Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

You might try obtaining a copy of this book published by CIGO: http://www.cigo.ie/eig2.html Best wishes, Des Clarke Hon. Sec., CIGO -----Original Message----- From: ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: 02 January 2009 18:06 To: ireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in Kings County". Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th century records.) Thanks. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in Kings County". Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th century records.) Thanks. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran

unsubscribe Hilsen, Fran Garwick -----Original Message----- From: ireland-request@rootsweb.com To: ireland@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 1:57 pm Subject: IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 3 Today's Topics: 1. Nineteenth Century "missing friends" (Michael Thompson) 2. Registrar's districts (Michael Thompson) 3. "I Was A Labourer" - Sean JENNETT (b. 1910) (Jean R.) 4. "The Song of the Old Mother" - William Butler YEATS (1865-1939) Dublin>London (Jean R.) 5. Cork's Michael COLLINS ( 1890-1922)/IRA -- Position/Irish American Convention NYC (1917) (Jean R.) 6. Re: Registrar's districts (hiflyte) 7. Re: Registrar's districts (Jean R.) 8. Registrar's districts (CIGO) 9. Re: IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 (fgarwick@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:30:20 +0000 From: Michael Thompson <mike@genealogyresearch.org.uk> Subject: [IRELAND] Nineteenth Century "missing friends" To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <C62FA5CD-C025-4510-9EED-A93D34BDE912@genealogyresearch.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Apologies if this has been posted before, I don't recall seeing the following website mentioned on this mailing list: http://infowanted.bc.edu It gives free access to a searchable database of adverts that were placed in the Boston Pilot newspaper between 1831 and 1921 by people looking for friends and relatives who had emigrated from Ireland to the United States. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 18:06:16 +0000 From: Michael Thompson <mike@genealogyresearch.org.uk> Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CE734C6A-D984-4FE5-9504-38793F090731@genealogyresearch.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in Kings County". Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th century records.) Thanks. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:28:11 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] "I Was A Labourer" - Sean JENNETT (b. 1910) To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0a4201c96d07$decf3550$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I WAS A LABOURER I was a labourer in the smoky valley, within the high walls, the tall dark walls of the mills, where the hills go up to the wild moor. I am a dog of the dales, broad is my speech, and my ways are not the smooth ways of the south, but hard, and used to keener weather. All week I worked among the looms while the cloth slacked out and the shuttles clacked swiftly, as the woof was shot through the warp and through my brain dim with the webs of years. All week I was the servant of the loom, chained to the steel for the promise of meagre coin, six days a week, but Sunday comes soon, and I am my master for the waking day that found me with my whippet on the moor. O my faithful lass! Soft was her fell; her eyes were like deep pools stained with peat, shafted with light; and intelligent. She was long in the body, but strong of limb and rib, and her muscles moved under the skin like currents in a bay of the river. She was swift as the wind or as the summer swallow, and I would pit her with the local dogs, backing her swiftness with my sweaty coin and many a shilling have I won with her to spend on some wet evening in a pub or buy the tickets at the picture palace when I took out the girl I meant to marry -- but that is all forgotten with the flesh. I was a labourer in the smoky valley: I am a brittle bone projecting from the sand. -- Sean Jennett (born 1910) ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:30:20 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] "The Song of the Old Mother" - William Butler YEATS (1865-1939) Dublin>London To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0a4801c96d08$2f35f100$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The Song of the Old Mother W B Yeats I Rise in the dawn, and I kneel and blow Till the seed of the fire flicker and glow; And then I must scrub and bake and sweep Till stars are beginning to blink and peep; And the young lie long and dream in their bed Of the matching of ribbons for bosom and head, And their day goes over in idleness, And they sigh if the wind but lift a tress; While I must work because I am old, And the seed of the fire gets feeble and cold. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 10:38:12 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Cork's Michael COLLINS ( 1890-1922)/IRA -- Position/Irish American Convention NYC (1917) To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <0a5901c96d09$449fb3e0$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original SNIPPET: Per Edward T. O'Donnell's "1001 Things Everyone Should Know About Irish American History" (2002) - the man most responsible for the success by the Irish Republic Army against the British was Michael COLLINS (1890-1922). Born into a farming family in Cork, he grew to embrace the Irish nationalism of his father and schoolmaster (the latter a member of the Irish Republic Brotherhood). At 16, he took a clerkship in London, where he learned finance and developed organizational and planning skills - all of which served him well after he joined the IRB. COLLINS participated in the Easter Rising of 1916, but was not recognized as a leader and spared execution. In 1919 the First Dail Eireann named him minister of finance. He also acted as a director of intelligence, a position that made him a key figure in the buildup of the Irish Volunteers (soon recognized as the Irish Republican Army). In these capacities COLLINS organized the acquisition and distribution of arms for the IRA and established an ingenious intelligence network that kept him informed of British operations. He also devised the successful guerrilla tactics employed with such effectiveness against the British army and Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC). In the midst of the mounting violence, COLLINS engineered Eamon de VALERA's sensational escape from prison in April 1919. Unanimously elected president of the Dail, de VALERA immediately set about gaining international recognition of the Irish Republic founded by Sinn Fein. He sent Sean O'KELLY to the Versailles Peace Conference, where the great powers were meeting in the aftermath of WWI. He quickly discovered, however, that U. S. President Woodrow WILSON (grandson of Scotch-Irish immigrants from Co. Antrim) had no intention of upsetting his British allies by pushing for Irish independence. In response, de VALERA decided to tour the U. S. to arouse support for American recognition of the Irish Republic and gather financial donations from Irish Americans. Arriving in June of 1919, he toured the country for a year and a half, drawing widespread popular support and raising the astounding sum of six million dollars. But he failed in his primary goal of achieving official recognition by the American government. His stay in America also resulted in a rift with the leaders of Irish American nationalism, John DEVOY and Judge Daniel COHALAN, who resented his effort to organize Irish American support for the Republic independent of their control. Back in March 1916, during the first of three "Irish Race Conventions" convened in NYC by Clan Gael, a new nationalist organization was born, the Friends of Irish Freedom. Dedicated to seeing Ireland "cut off from England and restored to its rightful place among the nations of the earth," the FOIF played a major role in stirring up Irish nationalist sentiment in the U. S. and raising millions of dollars for the independence movement in Ireland. By the time de VALERA arrived in June 1919, membership in the organization had surged to more than 250,000. Statement issued at the Irish American Convention, NYC, May 14, 1917: "RESOLVED, that this assemblage of American citizens of Irish blood, loyal to the United States, and ready to defend her honor and interests, and recognizing that our Government is entitled to the best advice that Irishmen who understand the situation can give, urgently request the President and Congress to demand that England make good her promises in the only way possible in regard to Ireland, namely by according to the Irish people their indubitable right to be regarded as a sovereign people, and by granting to Ireland full national independence...and be it RESOLVED, that we therefore submit to the President and Congress that America's entry into the war for democracy and civilization gives our government the right, and imposes upon it the duty, to demand from England that she settle the Irish Question permanently and finally..." The guerrilla campaign waged by Michael COLLINS and the IRA was to take a severe toll on the Royal Irish Constabulary and British Army by the end of 1919. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 12:00:42 -0700 From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <495E645A.7000107@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed The following URL will answer your PLU Question http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm http://www.genfindit.com/irlplu.htm http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/ http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/RegDistricts.htm SeantRuad/Ireatlas: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/ireatlas/ Bob Cdn ====================================== Michael Thompson wrote: <SNIP> > ...Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the > Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ > were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th > century records.)... > ======================= ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 11:15:55 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <118301c96d0e$89c3f3a0$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original For better understanding of complicated Irish Land Divisions http://www.dochara.com/info/roots/land.php#poor-law Poor Law Unions can be found for each Irish county on the (all-Ireland) 1850's IreAtlas at the Leitrim-Roscommon.com/ website. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thompson" <mike@genealogyresearch.org.uk> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts > Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which > Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in > the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in > Kings County". > > Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the > Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ > were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th > century records.) > > Thanks. > > Michael Thompson > condran@one-name.org > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 20:35:46 -0000 From: "CIGO" <info@cigo.ie> Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAuAAAAAAAAAKM3eeW87PRIscKa+Z4peD0BAGGMWek4D09GtIB3KTaCLgoAAAAAS0cAABAAAADyg9jSoJScQqYWfKNaSgSHAQAAAAA=@cigo.ie> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" You might try obtaining a copy of this book published by CIGO: http://www.cigo.ie/eig2.html Best wishes, Des Clarke Hon. Sec., CIGO -----Original Message----- From: ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thompson Sent: 02 January 2009 18:06 To: ireland@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in Kings County". Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th century records.) Thanks. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 16:57:30 -0500 From: fgarwick@aol.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CB3B3C3E098C46-1130-732@MBLK-M04.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" unsubscribe Hilsen, Fran Garwick -----Original Message----- From: ireland-request@rootsweb.com To: ireland@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:00 am Subject: IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records (james0319) 2. Re: References: Letters & Memoirs, Colonial & Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 -- Parish of Maghera, Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records (Jean R.) 3. Birthplace for Cove family (chris giles) 4. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Patricia O'Shea) 5. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Mike Saunders) 6. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (chris giles) 7. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (hiflyte) 8. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Jean R.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:12:14 -0500 From: james0319 <james0319@aol.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records To: irl-ulster@rootsweb.com, ireland-l@rootsweb.com, irl-surnames-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <ba26da66.eded.4dbd.a8d8.cd2a3ade9f0b@aol.com> Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know where I can find vital records, particularly birrths / baptisms for the townlands of Slaghtybogy and Maghera, (and also any other VR's or substitutes for the Parish of Maghera )in the 1700's? Many thanks, Jim ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:57:20 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] References: Letters & Memoirs, Colonial & Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 -- Parish of Maghera, Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <05ed01c96c42$c7293e20$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Jim - What surnames are you researching? You might want to compose an addendum with the surnames in caps on the subject line. Perhaps you, and others, might be interested in the following books for research/background: 1. "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors," John Grenham (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 1997), is a reader-friendly, comprehensive reference by expert Grenham with detailed explanations of all types of records available, (censuses and census substitutes) to include voter's lists, military, journals, directories, graveyard inscriptions, and a chapter on each county in the whole of Ireland. 2. Irish Immigrants in the Land of Canaan: Letters and Memoirs from Colonial and Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 by Kerby A. Miller, Arnold Schrier, Bruce D. Boling, and David N. Doyle (Paperback - Mar 27, 2003). Also available in hardback. Excerpt - page 568: "... , Pa., to John, Robert, and James Johnson, Slaghtybogy, c/o James Barclay, Maghera, Co. Derry, 27 November 1767. 3. Colby, Col., "Ordnance Survey Memoir of the County of Londonderry" (Dublin 1837). 4. PRONI (Public Record Office of Northern Ireland), "A Register of Trees for Co. Londonderry, 1768-1911 (Belfast 1984), includes names of tenant planters. 5. Spinning-Wheel Premium Lists. Microfiche index in National Archives (Dublin). Names and parishes of those granted spinning-wheels by the government on the basis of areas planted with flax, comprising, in the case of Co. Londonderry, over 8,000 names. 6. In the mid-to-late 1990s, Angelique Day and Patrick McWilliams produced many reference books on the 1830's "Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland" to include at least two on Co. Londonderry. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "james0319" <james0319@aol.com> To: <irl-ulster@rootsweb.com>; <ireland-l@rootsweb.com>; <irl-surnames-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records > Does anyone know where I can find vital records, particularly birrths / > baptisms for the townlands of Slaghtybogy and Maghera, (and also any other > VR's or substitutes for the Parish of Maghera )in the 1700's? Many > thanks, Jim > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:11:43 -0000 From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <IRELAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY127-DS4C86995230DDA4C24CC99DAE50@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born in Ireland. The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make it out.... It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a certain part in Ireland? Thanking you Chris G ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:48:01 +1300 From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B231D1AD271A4913926838EE5A01B6AC@acer7fd9a64054> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The letters beside Eliza look like NK which usually means 'Not Known'. I agree that the birthplace for John looks like your version but it may be what the enumerator heard said rather than how it is actually spelt. This is not helpful of course! I have looked on Seanruad for a number of combinations of this word without success. The only COVEs in the Griffiths Valuations that I can see are in Kilkenny county. Others may have more useful suggestions. Best wishes, Patsy - New Zealand - Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... > It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing > at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is > there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can > send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace > R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? > Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a > certain part in Ireland? > Thanking you Chris G > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:16:58 -0600 From: "Mike Saunders" <csaunders65@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d046e1bc0901011316v16677eb2s2f7b9d9ea8f10128@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:11 PM, chris giles <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com>wrote: > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... Chris, Here are several possibilities but I am inclined to believe Co. Kilkenny is probably where you should concentrate your search. I found two John Cove's baptismal records both in Co. Kilkenny. The Irish Family History Foundation can be searched for free if one registers. If one wants to purchase the information it can be done online. The IreAtlas Townland Data Base Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster Tullyratty 223 Down Lecale Lower Ballyculter Downpatrick Ulster http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresrch Irish Family History Foundation Church Baptism Cove John 1809 Co. Kilkenny Church Baptism Cove John 1834 Co. Kilkenny http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php Happy New Year, Mike Saunders Universal City, TX ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:39:26 -0000 From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY127-DS5491D557F740C7298F380DAE50@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Mike Thanks for that info and the web sites to where I can search. Being new to tracing Irish relatives I was stuck a little. Especially with not being able to find the birth place. but now at least have something to start with. Happy New Year regards Chris G > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:11 PM, chris giles > <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi >> I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born >> in Ireland. >> The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that >> he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't >> make >> it out.... > > > Chris, > > Here are several possibilities but I am inclined to believe Co. Kilkenny > is > probably where you should concentrate your search. I found two John > Cove's > baptismal records both in Co. Kilkenny. The Irish Family History > Foundation > can be searched for free if one registers. If one wants to purchase the > information it can be done online. > > The IreAtlas Townland Data Base > Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province > Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster > Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster > Tullyratty 223 Down Lecale Lower Ballyculter Downpatrick Ulster > http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresrch > > Irish Family History Foundation > Church Baptism Cove John 1809 Co. Kilkenny > Church Baptism Cove John 1834 Co. Kilkenny > http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php > > Happy New Year, > > Mike Saunders > Universal City, TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:06:56 -0700 From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <495D4C90.9030001@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Chris, Griffith Vauation list three Cove surnames in Ireland. Cove Francis Jamesgreen,Jamesgreen St. Canices Kilkenny Cove Joseph Jamesgreen,Jamesgreen St. Canices Kilkenny Cove Francis Lane To Bishop's Meadows,Bishopsmeadows St. Canices Kilkenny The following URL has links to Kilkenny sites: http://www.genealogylinks.net/uk/ireland/kilkenny/ Bob Cdn ==================================== ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:16:19 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <09e001c96c66$f4cd0270$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Chris - The surname search at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ shows that there were only three COVE households in the whole of Ireland (1848-1864 Primary Valuation) and ALL in Co. Kilkenny. For a small fee, they can tell you which civil parish/es they lived in. Do you have a definite reference to Ireland, as opposed to Scotland, another place in England, etc. that might have a reference to "Theyne...." Do you have a maiden ("nee") surname for a marriage that took place in Ireland? Do any of the sons have an unusual given name that could reflect mother's maiden name in disguise or another surname important to the family? The all-Ireland townland search at the Leitrim-Roscommon.com website shows some "sound-alikes" for Co. Kilkenny but nothing that starts with Th. When I set the search for Co. Kilkenny and "ends with y," I was returned 144 hits, which you can check out. If you feel certain that it begins with a T, then probably one of these locations: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Tibberaghny 1,147 Kilkenny Iverk Tibberaghny Carrick on Suir Leinster Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnakeenly 188 Kilkenny Gowran Powerstown Thomastown Leinster Tinnakilly 262 Kilkenny Iverk Fiddown Carrick on Suir Leinster Tinnakilly 228 Kilkenny Shillelogher Killaloe Callan Leinster Tinnaranny 826 Kilkenny Ida Rosbercon New Ross Leinster Tinnascarty 112 Kilkenny Galmoy Sheffin Urlingford Leinster Tinnascolly 300 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster Tomakeany 191 Kilkenny Fassadinin Kilmacar Castlecomer Leinster Tullanvoolty 435 Kilkenny Galmoy Erke Urlingford Leinster ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> To: <IRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... > It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing > at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is > there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can > send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace > R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? > Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a > certain part in Ireland? > Thanking you Chris G ------------------------------ To contact the IRELAND list administrator, send an email to IRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. 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unsubscribe Hilsen, Fran Garwick -----Original Message----- From: ireland-request@rootsweb.com To: ireland@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:00 am Subject: IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 2 Today's Topics: 1. Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records (james0319) 2. Re: References: Letters & Memoirs, Colonial & Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 -- Parish of Maghera, Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records (Jean R.) 3. Birthplace for Cove family (chris giles) 4. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Patricia O'Shea) 5. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Mike Saunders) 6. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (chris giles) 7. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (hiflyte) 8. Re: Birthplace for Cove family (Jean R.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 11:12:14 -0500 From: james0319 <james0319@aol.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records To: irl-ulster@rootsweb.com, ireland-l@rootsweb.com, irl-surnames-l@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <ba26da66.eded.4dbd.a8d8.cd2a3ade9f0b@aol.com> Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Does anyone know where I can find vital records, particularly birrths / baptisms for the townlands of Slaghtybogy and Maghera, (and also any other VR's or substitutes for the Parish of Maghera )in the 1700's? Many thanks, Jim ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 10:57:20 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] References: Letters & Memoirs, Colonial & Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 -- Parish of Maghera, Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <05ed01c96c42$c7293e20$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Jim - What surnames are you researching? You might want to compose an addendum with the surnames in caps on the subject line. Perhaps you, and others, might be interested in the following books for research/background: 1. "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors," John Grenham (Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, 1997), is a reader-friendly, comprehensive reference by expert Grenham with detailed explanations of all types of records available, (censuses and census substitutes) to include voter's lists, military, journals, directories, graveyard inscriptions, and a chapter on each county in the whole of Ireland. 2. Irish Immigrants in the Land of Canaan: Letters and Memoirs from Colonial and Revolutionary America, 1675-1815 by Kerby A. Miller, Arnold Schrier, Bruce D. Boling, and David N. Doyle (Paperback - Mar 27, 2003). Also available in hardback. Excerpt - page 568: "... , Pa., to John, Robert, and James Johnson, Slaghtybogy, c/o James Barclay, Maghera, Co. Derry, 27 November 1767. 3. Colby, Col., "Ordnance Survey Memoir of the County of Londonderry" (Dublin 1837). 4. PRONI (Public Record Office of Northern Ireland), "A Register of Trees for Co. Londonderry, 1768-1911 (Belfast 1984), includes names of tenant planters. 5. Spinning-Wheel Premium Lists. Microfiche index in National Archives (Dublin). Names and parishes of those granted spinning-wheels by the government on the basis of areas planted with flax, comprising, in the case of Co. Londonderry, over 8,000 names. 6. In the mid-to-late 1990s, Angelique Day and Patrick McWilliams produced many reference books on the 1830's "Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland" to include at least two on Co. Londonderry. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "james0319" <james0319@aol.com> To: <irl-ulster@rootsweb.com>; <ireland-l@rootsweb.com>; <irl-surnames-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Parish of Maghera,Co.Londonderry 1700's Vital Records > Does anyone know where I can find vital records, particularly birrths / > baptisms for the townlands of Slaghtybogy and Maghera, (and also any other > VR's or substitutes for the Parish of Maghera )in the 1700's? Many > thanks, Jim > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 20:11:43 -0000 From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <IRELAND@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY127-DS4C86995230DDA4C24CC99DAE50@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born in Ireland. The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make it out.... It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a certain part in Ireland? Thanking you Chris G ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:48:01 +1300 From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <B231D1AD271A4913926838EE5A01B6AC@acer7fd9a64054> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original The letters beside Eliza look like NK which usually means 'Not Known'. I agree that the birthplace for John looks like your version but it may be what the enumerator heard said rather than how it is actually spelt. This is not helpful of course! I have looked on Seanruad for a number of combinations of this word without success. The only COVEs in the Griffiths Valuations that I can see are in Kilkenny county. Others may have more useful suggestions. Best wishes, Patsy - New Zealand - Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... > It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing > at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is > there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can > send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace > R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? > Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a > certain part in Ireland? > Thanking you Chris G > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:16:58 -0600 From: "Mike Saunders" <csaunders65@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d046e1bc0901011316v16677eb2s2f7b9d9ea8f10128@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:11 PM, chris giles <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com>wrote: > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... Chris, Here are several possibilities but I am inclined to believe Co. Kilkenny is probably where you should concentrate your search. I found two John Cove's baptismal records both in Co. Kilkenny. The Irish Family History Foundation can be searched for free if one registers. If one wants to purchase the information it can be done online. The IreAtlas Townland Data Base Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster Tullyratty 223 Down Lecale Lower Ballyculter Downpatrick Ulster http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresrch Irish Family History Foundation Church Baptism Cove John 1809 Co. Kilkenny Church Baptism Cove John 1834 Co. Kilkenny http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php Happy New Year, Mike Saunders Universal City, TX ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:39:26 -0000 From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY127-DS5491D557F740C7298F380DAE50@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Mike Thanks for that info and the web sites to where I can search. Being new to tracing Irish relatives I was stuck a little. Especially with not being able to find the birth place. but now at least have something to start with. Happy New Year regards Chris G > On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 2:11 PM, chris giles > <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com>wrote: > >> Hi >> I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born >> in Ireland. >> The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that >> he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't >> make >> it out.... > > > Chris, > > Here are several possibilities but I am inclined to believe Co. Kilkenny > is > probably where you should concentrate your search. I found two John > Cove's > baptismal records both in Co. Kilkenny. The Irish Family History > Foundation > can be searched for free if one registers. If one wants to purchase the > information it can be done online. > > The IreAtlas Townland Data Base > Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province > Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster > Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster > Tullyratty 223 Down Lecale Lower Ballyculter Downpatrick Ulster > http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresrch > > Irish Family History Foundation > Church Baptism Cove John 1809 Co. Kilkenny > Church Baptism Cove John 1834 Co. Kilkenny > http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php > > Happy New Year, > > Mike Saunders > Universal City, TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:06:56 -0700 From: hiflyte <hiflyte@telus.net> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: ireland@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <495D4C90.9030001@telus.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Chris, Griffith Vauation list three Cove surnames in Ireland. Cove Francis Jamesgreen,Jamesgreen St. Canices Kilkenny Cove Joseph Jamesgreen,Jamesgreen St. Canices Kilkenny Cove Francis Lane To Bishop's Meadows,Bishopsmeadows St. Canices Kilkenny The following URL has links to Kilkenny sites: http://www.genealogylinks.net/uk/ireland/kilkenny/ Bob Cdn ==================================== ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2009 15:16:19 -0800 From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <09e001c96c66$f4cd0270$291ecac6@jean> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi Chris - The surname search at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ shows that there were only three COVE households in the whole of Ireland (1848-1864 Primary Valuation) and ALL in Co. Kilkenny. For a small fee, they can tell you which civil parish/es they lived in. Do you have a definite reference to Ireland, as opposed to Scotland, another place in England, etc. that might have a reference to "Theyne...." Do you have a maiden ("nee") surname for a marriage that took place in Ireland? Do any of the sons have an unusual given name that could reflect mother's maiden name in disguise or another surname important to the family? The all-Ireland townland search at the Leitrim-Roscommon.com website shows some "sound-alikes" for Co. Kilkenny but nothing that starts with Th. When I set the search for Co. Kilkenny and "ends with y," I was returned 144 hits, which you can check out. If you feel certain that it begins with a T, then probably one of these locations: Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Tibberaghny 1,147 Kilkenny Iverk Tibberaghny Carrick on Suir Leinster Tinaslatty 257 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnakeenly 188 Kilkenny Gowran Powerstown Thomastown Leinster Tinnakilly 262 Kilkenny Iverk Fiddown Carrick on Suir Leinster Tinnakilly 228 Kilkenny Shillelogher Killaloe Callan Leinster Tinnaranny 826 Kilkenny Ida Rosbercon New Ross Leinster Tinnascarty 112 Kilkenny Galmoy Sheffin Urlingford Leinster Tinnascolly 300 Kilkenny Ida The Rower New Ross Leinster Tinnaslatty 771 Kilkenny Galmoy Aharney Urlingford Leinster Tomakeany 191 Kilkenny Fassadinin Kilmacar Castlecomer Leinster Tullanvoolty 435 Kilkenny Galmoy Erke Urlingford Leinster ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris giles" <chrisgiles46@hotmail.com> To: <IRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 12:11 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Birthplace for Cove family > Hi > I am new to this list having just found that one of my ancestors was born > in Ireland. > The only problem is that I cannot understand the writing o the place that > he was born in. It could be Theynesiolly or Theyneswitty I just can't make > it out.... > It is written as his birthplace on the 1851 census where he was residing > at Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London. His name is John Cove born abt 1824. Is > there anyone out there that would be willing to decipher it for me? I can > send a copy of the census to you. His wife Eliza also has the birthplace > R.K. or S.K. does anyone know what this means? > Also I wonder was the surname Cove a common name and did they live in a > certain part in Ireland? > Thanking you Chris G ------------------------------ To contact the IRELAND list administrator, send an email to IRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Apologies if this has been posted before, I don't recall seeing the following website mentioned on this mailing list: http://infowanted.bc.edu It gives free access to a searchable database of adverts that were placed in the Boston Pilot newspaper between 1831 and 1921 by people looking for friends and relatives who had emigrated from Ireland to the United States. Michael Thompson condran@one-name.org http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran

The following URL will answer your PLU Question http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm http://www.genfindit.com/irlplu.htm http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/ http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/RegDistricts.htm SeantRuad/Ireatlas: http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/ireatlas/ Bob Cdn ====================================== Michael Thompson wrote: <SNIP> > ...Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the > Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ > were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th > century records.)... > =======================

For better understanding of complicated Irish Land Divisions http://www.dochara.com/info/roots/land.php#poor-law Poor Law Unions can be found for each Irish county on the (all-Ireland) 1850's IreAtlas at the Leitrim-Roscommon.com/ website. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Thompson" <mike@genealogyresearch.org.uk> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Registrar's districts > Civil registration certificates for e.g. marriages state in which > Registrar's District, Union and County the event took place: e.g. "in > the Registrar's District of Frankford in the Union of Parsonstown in > Kings County". > > Does any of you know please of an online listing of all the > Registrar's Districts and which Poor Law Unions / Counties they are/ > were in, for all of Ireland? (I'm principally interested in 19th > century records.) > > Thanks. > > Michael Thompson > condran@one-name.org > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~condran

SNIPPET: Per Edward T. O'Donnell's "1001 Things Everyone Should Know About Irish American History" (2002) - the man most responsible for the success by the Irish Republic Army against the British was Michael COLLINS (1890-1922). Born into a farming family in Cork, he grew to embrace the Irish nationalism of his father and schoolmaster (the latter a member of the Irish Republic Brotherhood). At 16, he took a clerkship in London, where he learned finance and developed organizational and planning skills - all of which served him well after he joined the IRB. COLLINS participated in the Easter Rising of 1916, but was not recognized as a leader and spared execution. In 1919 the First Dail Eireann named him minister of finance. He also acted as a director of intelligence, a position that made him a key figure in the buildup of the Irish Volunteers (soon recognized as the Irish Republican Army). In these capacities COLLINS organized the acquisition and distribution of arms for the IRA and established an ingenious intelligence network that kept him informed of British operations. He also devised the successful guerrilla tactics employed with such effectiveness against the British army and Royal Irish Constabulary (RIC). In the midst of the mounting violence, COLLINS engineered Eamon de VALERA's sensational escape from prison in April 1919. Unanimously elected president of the Dail, de VALERA immediately set about gaining international recognition of the Irish Republic founded by Sinn Fein. He sent Sean O'KELLY to the Versailles Peace Conference, where the great powers were meeting in the aftermath of WWI. He quickly discovered, however, that U. S. President Woodrow WILSON (grandson of Scotch-Irish immigrants from Co. Antrim) had no intention of upsetting his British allies by pushing for Irish independence. In response, de VALERA decided to tour the U. S. to arouse support for American recognition of the Irish Republic and gather financial donations from Irish Americans. Arriving in June of 1919, he toured the country for a year and a half, drawing widespread popular support and raising the astounding sum of six million dollars. But he failed in his primary goal of achieving official recognition by the American government. His stay in America also resulted in a rift with the leaders of Irish American nationalism, John DEVOY and Judge Daniel COHALAN, who resented his effort to organize Irish American support for the Republic independent of their control. Back in March 1916, during the first of three "Irish Race Conventions" convened in NYC by Clan Gael, a new nationalist organization was born, the Friends of Irish Freedom. Dedicated to seeing Ireland "cut off from England and restored to its rightful place among the nations of the earth," the FOIF played a major role in stirring up Irish nationalist sentiment in the U. S. and raising millions of dollars for the independence movement in Ireland. By the time de VALERA arrived in June 1919, membership in the organization had surged to more than 250,000. Statement issued at the Irish American Convention, NYC, May 14, 1917: "RESOLVED, that this assemblage of American citizens of Irish blood, loyal to the United States, and ready to defend her honor and interests, and recognizing that our Government is entitled to the best advice that Irishmen who understand the situation can give, urgently request the President and Congress to demand that England make good her promises in the only way possible in regard to Ireland, namely by according to the Irish people their indubitable right to be regarded as a sovereign people, and by granting to Ireland full national independence...and be it RESOLVED, that we therefore submit to the President and Congress that America's entry into the war for democracy and civilization gives our government the right, and imposes upon it the duty, to demand from England that she settle the Irish Question permanently and finally..." The guerrilla campaign waged by Michael COLLINS and the IRA was to take a severe toll on the Royal Irish Constabulary and British Army by the end of 1919.