SNIPPET: Eileen McGOVERN offers her view of Ireland -- "There is a peace in Ireland. It lives amongst its people. It's the slow, easy way a hand is extended to welcome you "home." No matter you weren't born there. Your father, mother or generations beyond were. And that is good enough. Not for rural Ireland the rushing from pillar to post. No mad yearning for fancy things. Bread in the press, tea in the pot, turf on the fire. An ever-open door, and no fear to squeeze it ajar, late or not, for there is always time, to stop, to sit, to talk, about days gone by and days to come. The quiet keeping of the old ways. Holding tradition. Unquestioningly. For that is the way things always were, and please God always will be. There is a natural and rugged beauty all around to please the weary eye. No skyscrapers here to pierce the sky but the soft outline of a tiny town, a bridge across the water, a swell of mountain peaks. A sleepy dog warms his belly on the road. He dozes, but doesn't dream of danger where he lies, for all that pass him will harm him not, they know he is there. Soft berries in the hedges swell, a childish hand may pull at one or two. Or maybe a soul who walked this way many years ago as that child now visits from a concrete city far away and feels the same thrill at finding that fruit. They as mothers and fathers now will press upon their children all the things that used to be. So simple, unmarred and pure. They try to paint a picture. And true to say the second generation share their love of their land and try so hard to see it as it was back then. No rattle of TV or buzz of telephone or watching of the loudly ticking clock is here. T'will get done when time is right, without worry or tightening of the heart. A spirit lives on, long after a family moves on to do "better" things. But so many return, and see, with eyes anew in the twilight of their lives, what they always had but could not see. Such a well-kept secret, this beauty is. And a heady drink to sip at for those, like me who know the speed of city life. My children too will know these things, I will make it my task to teach them. We must not let beauty go or change. Dear Ireland, a haven, a way of life which eludes so many. I dream of you on winter nights. You share that same moon and stars but are a million miles away. I wish I was there. I walk the roads and pass each house. I smell the air and hear the silence. And dream and dream of all that is you until I stand, feeling your peace, on your sacred land." -- Eileen McGovern, parents w/roots in Doobally, Co. Cavan.

Not sure Pat - I haven't reviewed them in person, only am aware of the resources. A "google" search might be productive. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets11@pacbell.net> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Ulster Catholic Emigration to Mayo 1796 - > Thanks, Margaret and Jean for these posts. I believe my McEntee family > originated in County Cavan before going to Louisburgh in County Mayo and > then NY state. The resources that you cited, do they give names? > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Thanks, Margaret and Jean for these posts. I believe my McEntee family originated in County Cavan before going to Louisburgh in County Mayo and then NY state. The resources that you cited, do they give names? -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

With the holidays I am late sending out an update. Here are some of the larger new files in the archives for December and so far in January. Files are arranged by county and then topic. CLARE: Photos --Tulla Cemetery CORK: Census --1901 Census Ballymartle - Assorted Miscellaneous --Persons Transported for Crime 1773-1806 --Persons Executed for Crime 1767-1806 DERRY/LONDONDERRY Derry Cathedral Memorials v 6 [p582-p583] DUBLIN: Cemetery: --Dean’s Grange, Cemetery, Blackrock LAOIS: Photos --Rock Of Dunamaise Cemetery TIPPERARY: Census Substitutes --Hearth Money Rolls 1665-1666. Parochia De Clogher and Rathkevane --Hearth Money Rolls 1665-1666. Parochia De Castletowne, Tome & Downe Headstones -- The Square, Toomevara -- Templeshaun Cemetery, Borrisnafarney Military THE Duke of Clarence's Munster Artillery Newspaper --Freemans Journal, 7-Dec-1844, Receipts for the O'Connell Tribute. Includes Carrick on Suir Miscellaneous --Petty Jurors, Barony of Iffa and Offa West- 1846 --Petty Jurors, Barony of Middlethird - 1846 33K --Convicts Released from the County Gaol of Tipperary 1836 WEXFORD: Headstones --Anglican Church, Inch, Wexford WICKLOW: Headstones --Kilbride & Ennereilly Parish Church, Co. Wicklow, Pt. 1 & 2 --Kilquade Graveyard (partial) --Rathnew Cem. Pt 4 & Pt5, Co., Wicklow --Rathbran Graveyard (part) Photos --Castlemacadam School, Avoca, Co. Wicklow 1924 --Bollard, Mary Image 18K Dec 2008 Mike Murphy --Doyle, Patrick Image 37K Dec 2008 Mike Murphy --Rathbran Graveyard Regards, Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ To contribute: http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/

I have just added to my website, Tipperary section, the Griffith Valuations for the civil parishes of Aghacrew (South Riding) and Moyaliff (North Riding). Hope they are helpful. The url for my site is under my name. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I found the "Alphabetical Index to the towns and townlands in Ireland" at the Family History Center most helpful.. ed On 1/9/09, Jean R. <jeanrice@cet.com> wrote: > ADDED NOTE: John Grenham's excellent reference, "Tracing Your Irish > Ancestors," gives some sources: > 1796: Catholics Emigrating from Ulster to Mayo, "Seanchas Ardmhacha," 1958, > 17-50; see also 'Petition of Armagh migrants in the Westport area,' "Cathair > na Mart (Journal of the Westport Historical Society), Vol. 2 No 1 > (appendix). Apparently in the National Library in Dublin. > > Hi Jack in NJ - What part of Donegal are you researching? Doesn't really > answer your query, but I note that there are Spinning-Wheel Premium Lists > for 1796 available for researching; in the case of Co. Donegal there are > over 14,000 names. If you were researching an unusual surname might be > helpful. > > There is a "Directory of the Towns of Sligo, Enniskillen, Ballyshannon > Donegal, etc., (1839) available for research for those with more prominent > (mostly Protestant?) families. > > J. C. T. MacDONAGH has written 'Bibliography of Co. Donegal,' "Donegal Hist. > Soc. Jnl," 1947-50, pgs. 217-30. > Researching Inishowen, Co. Donegal? > H. P. Swan, "The Book of Inishowen," pub. Buncrana 1938 > Amy Young, "300 Years in Inishowen," pub. Belfast 1929, NL Ir 9292 y 1 > (National Library, Dublin). > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JOHN SHIELS" <shielsj@msn.com> > To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:12 AM > Subject: [IRELAND] Ulster Catholic Emigration to Mayo 1796 > > >> As a side note to the OSBORNE thread, is anyone familiar with >> documentation for Catholic Irish moving (transplanted?) from Ulster, >> particularly Donegal, to Mayo in 1796? >> >> Any leads would be appreciated. >> >> Jack SHIELS, Mendham NJ USA >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

If and I say if - and this is not to cause problems Moses P Osborne was born in Donegal May I ask why you think he departed Ireland through CO Cork, this to me suggests that the man, actually removed from the North of Ireland, where Donegal Is to the immediate South to catch a ship to Canada - wouldnt it make more sense that he would sail from a port closer to Donegal if he was living there. A Henrie Osburne/Osborne was a Londonderry Alderman and he was dead in 1676 I also noted that a John Osborne was an Army man and died in 1723 at Drogeda but indeed the name does appear all over Ireland SO I do understand your frustration at looking for him, what about a shipping list for the time frame ? I also note that the name does appear in Co Cork as a Henry Osborn is a doctor in CO COrk dead by 1811. I located no Moses Osborn - but will take a look at more data I have compiled on Ireland. Sorry I am only asking questions not trying to mess your researching up Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Ann" <bamedhat@telus.net> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] query re: OSBORNE surname - Irish Provinces - TheBook of Irish Families Great & Small > Hi Jean > > All that I know about my direct lineage ancestor, Moses Osborne is as > follows: > > In 1823, when Moses P. Osborne applied for land in Canada, he stated > that he settled in New Brunswick, Canada in 1819, and that he was a > single man who was born in County Donegal, Ireland in about 1794. > > I also believe Moses Osborne came to Canada with at least one > sibling, sister Mary, who settled in the same area in 1819, was born > in County Donegal in 1796 and married William Taylor in Canada in 1829. > > While I have found records indicating Osborne families lived in at > least three Donegal locations during the appropriate 1780-1820 time > frame, I have not been able to find anything that would suggest which > family that our Moses and Mary may have descended from. > > Possible familial locations include: > 1. Braade Upper, Glencolumbkille, > 2. Stranalore > 3. Letterkenny > > Family lore suggests that Moses Osborne came from/through Cork - no > indication as to city or county. A very real consideration might be > that, three generations later, the more familiar name of Cork could > have been mistaken for Carrick which is in the Glencolumbkille area. > There are also vague, third and forth hand, familial suggestions of > possible McAlward and Doherty family connections, but absolutely > nothing tangible. > > I certainly would appreciate any/all assistance/suggestions that > anyone on this list might be able to offer. > > Thanks for your interest > > Betty ANn > > > > On 7-Jan-09, at 9:33 PM, Jean R. wrote: > > > Hi Betty Ann - Not to answer your specific question, but according to > the > surname search engine at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ ("Irish Times" > website), > during the Primary Valuation (1848-64), there were 193 OSBORNE > households, > 19 Osbourne, 4 Osburn, 2 Osburne, and 2 Usborne households. OSBORNE > spelling was found in many Irish counties, but the majority of those > OSBORNE > households were found in Co. Down 18, Co. Derry 17, Co. Tyrone 16, > Co. Meath > 13, Co. Donegal 12, Co. Waterford 12, Co Kilkenny 10, down from > there. (If > you believe there is a Scots-Irish component to your FH, you may be > looking > at the Ulster/Northern Ireland region.) Do you have a second > surname, such > as wife's maiden ("nee") surname, in a marriage that took place in > Ireland? > If so, could provide more clues. Be sure and explore various > websites for > information on your surnames of interest, too, via a "google" search.. > > What years do you believe they lived in Ireland? In the year 1890, > there > were 12 Osborne births recorded in the Province of Ulster, 5 in > Leinster, 5 > in Munster and only one in Connacht (Connaught), per the Matheson > survey, > which is also found at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ > > Where and when did you find the family definitely living elsewhere? > Vigorous research there may provide the name of a county or townland or > village in some document, such as a death notice. Perhaps a living > relative > can shed more light - family lore, prior research, a notation or record. > Given names were often repeated in earlier and later generations. An > unusual first or middle name of a son could reflect mother's maiden > name. > Children with both first and second given names were usually from > well-educated, better-off families, oftentimes Protestant. > > Below is a list of the counties found in the Irish Provinces: > > IRISH PROVINCES > > LEINSTER: Cos. Carlow, Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois (Leix/Queen's > Co), > Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly (King's Co.), Westmeath, Wexford and > Wicklow. > > MUNSTER: Cos. Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. > > ULSTER: Divided in two sections -- > (1) Northern Ireland with Cos. Antrim, Armagh, Derry/Londonderry, > Down, Fermanagh and Tyrone. > (2) Republic of Ireland with Cos. Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan. > > CONNAUGHT: Cos. Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo. > > Jean > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Betty Ann" <bamedhat@telus.net> > To: "Ireland Mailing List" <ireland@rootsweb.com>; "Donegal Mailing > List" > <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:47 PM > Subject: [IRELAND] The Book of Irish Families Great & Small >> I have heard that this book is a good resource tool. >> >> Could sks with access to a copy of this book, The Book >> of Irish Families Great & Small by Michael C. O'Laughlin, >> please look to see if there are any Osborne families >> listed in it? >> >> I am not sure what the author's criteria might be for an >> Irish Family. I suspect that my Osborne ancestors were >> Scots-Irish, and may only have been in Ireland for a >> couple of generations. > <snip> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1873 - Release Date: 3/01/2009 2:14 PM

As a side note to the OSBORNE thread, is anyone familiar with documentation for Catholic Irish moving (transplanted?) from Ulster, particularly Donegal, to Mayo in 1796? Any leads would be appreciated. Jack SHIELS, Mendham NJ USA

ADDED NOTE: John Grenham's excellent reference, "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors," gives some sources: 1796: Catholics Emigrating from Ulster to Mayo, "Seanchas Ardmhacha," 1958, 17-50; see also 'Petition of Armagh migrants in the Westport area,' "Cathair na Mart (Journal of the Westport Historical Society), Vol. 2 No 1 (appendix). Apparently in the National Library in Dublin. Hi Jack in NJ - What part of Donegal are you researching? Doesn't really answer your query, but I note that there are Spinning-Wheel Premium Lists for 1796 available for researching; in the case of Co. Donegal there are over 14,000 names. If you were researching an unusual surname might be helpful. There is a "Directory of the Towns of Sligo, Enniskillen, Ballyshannon Donegal, etc., (1839) available for research for those with more prominent (mostly Protestant?) families. J. C. T. MacDONAGH has written 'Bibliography of Co. Donegal,' "Donegal Hist. Soc. Jnl," 1947-50, pgs. 217-30. Researching Inishowen, Co. Donegal? H. P. Swan, "The Book of Inishowen," pub. Buncrana 1938 Amy Young, "300 Years in Inishowen," pub. Belfast 1929, NL Ir 9292 y 1 (National Library, Dublin). ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOHN SHIELS" <shielsj@msn.com> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:12 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Ulster Catholic Emigration to Mayo 1796 > As a side note to the OSBORNE thread, is anyone familiar with > documentation for Catholic Irish moving (transplanted?) from Ulster, > particularly Donegal, to Mayo in 1796? > > Any leads would be appreciated. > > Jack SHIELS, Mendham NJ USA >

Hi Jean, After the Battle of the Diamond in County Armagh in 1795 there were many who were forced to flee for their lives from not only County Armagh, but Tyrone, Derry, Monaghan, Antrim, Down, Fermanagh, Cavan, Longford and Louth. There are two excellent articles that tell the history of the necesstiy of the migration to the Province of Connaught/Connacht, mainly to County Mayo, some also went to Counties Galway, Sligo and Leitrim- some also fled to North America and Scotland. 1. The Migration of Ulster Catholics to Connaught, 1795-96 by Patrick Hogan; Seanchas Ardmacha, Vol 9 No 2 1979 p.286-301 2. The Diamond Fight of 1795 and the Resultant Expulsions by Patrick Tohall, Seanchas Ardmacha, Vol 3 No 1, 1958 pp.17-50 Lord Altamont, Denis Browne of Westport estimated the "entry to County Mayo of 800 familes (4,000 individuals) up until Novemebr 27, 1796." There is no record for the year of 1797 although the trend of migration into County Mayo was the same.Other areas of County Mayo also received refugees from the violence (The Baronies of Tyrawley, Gallen, Costello and Clanmorris including the areas around Swinford, Ballina, Ballaghaderreen,Crossmolina, Foxford and Claremorris). The Migration of Uslter Catholics article has a petition signed by 101 persons who fled to Mayo. "The Diamond Fight of 1795 and the Resultant Expulsions" has lists of names of who moved into County Mayo and a list of the areas they fled from. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au>; <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Ulster Catholic Emigration to Mayo 1796 - query re:OSBORNE surname - Irish Provinces - TheBookof Irish FamiliesGreat & Small

That is a good point, Cara. That Moses first name is unusual, to .... Fascinating! Listers might note that in 1796 there WERE Catholics who migrated from Ulster (Armagh?) to Co. Mayo (Westport?) J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <cracker@hotkey.net.au> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] query re: OSBORNE surname - Irish Provinces - TheBookof Irish Families Great & Small > If and I say if - and this is not to cause problems Moses P Osborne was > born > in Donegal > May I ask why you think he departed Ireland through CO Cork, this to me > suggests that the man, > actually removed from the North of Ireland, where Donegal Is to the > immediate South to catch a > ship to Canada - wouldnt it make more sense that he would sail from a port > closer to Donegal if he was living there. <snip>

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Thank you so much for taking the time to respond, but I am in rural Western Canada at the moment. I sincerely appreciate your effort and am quite sure your suggestion will be very helpful to someone in the Michigan area. Thanks again On 7-Jan-09, at 7:48 PM, rjward52@comcast.net wrote: This book, including v. 5, published in 1997, is in the Library of Michigan in Lansing if you're anywhere near. Maybe other libraries too. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: ireland-request@rootsweb.com > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Which Ballingarry/Ballinderry (JUNE METCALFE) > 2. Re: Which Ballingarry/Ballinderry (Anne Phelan) > 3. Re: More Galway Highlights (Jean R.) > 4. The Book of Irish Families Great & Small (Betty Ann) > > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:47:49 -0700 > From: Betty Ann <bamedhat@telus.net> > Subject: [IRELAND] The Book of Irish Families Great & Small > To: Ireland Mailing List <ireland@rootsweb.com>, Donegal Mailing List > <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <90621B0D-014E-4338-A2D2-E1BB7DF3178F@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > I have heard that this book is a good resource tool. > > Could sks with access to a copy of this book, The Book > of Irish Families Great & Small by Michael C. O'Laughlin, > please look to see if there are any Osborne families > listed in it? > > I am not sure what the author's criteria might be for an > Irish Family. I suspect that my Osborne ancestors were > Scots-Irish, and may only have been in Ireland for a > couple of generations. > > Thought it might be best to see if they are even listed > in this book before I bother the library to request it > brought in on Inter-Library loan. > > Thank you very much. > Betty Ann > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRELAND list administrator, send an email to > IRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRELAND mailing list, send an email to > IRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8 > ************************************* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers I am re-posting this query as I didn't explain very well what it is that I wanted: I'm new to the list and hope that sks will point me in the right direction. My Kennedy family came from Co Tipperary, but I am not sure which Ballinderry and Ballingarry and I seem to have identified several in both Tipperary North & South. I have identified John Kennedy b1779 in Ballinderry, married Margaret O'Dwyer 1804 died 1842 as the likely parent of Patrick Kennedy who brought his family to England but have no details of him. I have a baptism record for this Patrick Kennedy year 1809, the parish/district is Nenagh. Patrick married Margaret O'Connors in 1837 in St Mary's church, Cahir parish. The family men all worked in the coal mines in England, which may mean that they were a mining family in Co Tipperary. I am hoping that someone will glean from the clues above which Ballingarry it is that my ancestors came from, or at least tell me how to find out. I have identified the following Ballingarry placenames from a map: - Ballingarry NE of Borrisokane on the N52 - Ballingarry SW of Kilkenny on the R691 - Ballingarry SE of Rathkeale on the R518 - Ballingarry NW of Dunmanway on the R584 Many thanks for your patience. June Any information will be most gratefully received! June M        "May your blessings outnumber the shamrocks that grow And may trouble avoid you wherever you go"  Irish blessing Researching  Jackson & Kennedy in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and Ireland

This book, including v. 5, published in 1997, is in the Library of Michigan in Lansing if you're anywhere near. Maybe other libraries too. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: ireland-request@rootsweb.com > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Which Ballingarry/Ballinderry (JUNE METCALFE) > 2. Re: Which Ballingarry/Ballinderry (Anne Phelan) > 3. Re: More Galway Highlights (Jean R.) > 4. The Book of Irish Families Great & Small (Betty Ann) > > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 22:47:49 -0700 > From: Betty Ann <bamedhat@telus.net> > Subject: [IRELAND] The Book of Irish Families Great & Small > To: Ireland Mailing List <ireland@rootsweb.com>, Donegal Mailing List > <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <90621B0D-014E-4338-A2D2-E1BB7DF3178F@telus.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > I have heard that this book is a good resource tool. > > Could sks with access to a copy of this book, The Book > of Irish Families Great & Small by Michael C. O'Laughlin, > please look to see if there are any Osborne families > listed in it? > > I am not sure what the author's criteria might be for an > Irish Family. I suspect that my Osborne ancestors were > Scots-Irish, and may only have been in Ireland for a > couple of generations. > > Thought it might be best to see if they are even listed > in this book before I bother the library to request it > brought in on Inter-Library loan. > > Thank you very much. > Betty Ann > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRELAND list administrator, send an email to > IRELAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRELAND mailing list, send an email to > IRELAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRELAND Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8 > *************************************

Hi Jean All that I know about my direct lineage ancestor, Moses Osborne is as follows: In 1823, when Moses P. Osborne applied for land in Canada, he stated that he settled in New Brunswick, Canada in 1819, and that he was a single man who was born in County Donegal, Ireland in about 1794. I also believe Moses Osborne came to Canada with at least one sibling, sister Mary, who settled in the same area in 1819, was born in County Donegal in 1796 and married William Taylor in Canada in 1829. While I have found records indicating Osborne families lived in at least three Donegal locations during the appropriate 1780-1820 time frame, I have not been able to find anything that would suggest which family that our Moses and Mary may have descended from. Possible familial locations include: 1. Braade Upper, Glencolumbkille, 2. Stranalore 3. Letterkenny Family lore suggests that Moses Osborne came from/through Cork - no indication as to city or county. A very real consideration might be that, three generations later, the more familiar name of Cork could have been mistaken for Carrick which is in the Glencolumbkille area. There are also vague, third and forth hand, familial suggestions of possible McAlward and Doherty family connections, but absolutely nothing tangible. I certainly would appreciate any/all assistance/suggestions that anyone on this list might be able to offer. Thanks for your interest Betty ANn On 7-Jan-09, at 9:33 PM, Jean R. wrote: Hi Betty Ann - Not to answer your specific question, but according to the surname search engine at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ ("Irish Times" website), during the Primary Valuation (1848-64), there were 193 OSBORNE households, 19 Osbourne, 4 Osburn, 2 Osburne, and 2 Usborne households. OSBORNE spelling was found in many Irish counties, but the majority of those OSBORNE households were found in Co. Down 18, Co. Derry 17, Co. Tyrone 16, Co. Meath 13, Co. Donegal 12, Co. Waterford 12, Co Kilkenny 10, down from there. (If you believe there is a Scots-Irish component to your FH, you may be looking at the Ulster/Northern Ireland region.) Do you have a second surname, such as wife's maiden ("nee") surname, in a marriage that took place in Ireland? If so, could provide more clues. Be sure and explore various websites for information on your surnames of interest, too, via a "google" search.. What years do you believe they lived in Ireland? In the year 1890, there were 12 Osborne births recorded in the Province of Ulster, 5 in Leinster, 5 in Munster and only one in Connacht (Connaught), per the Matheson survey, which is also found at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ Where and when did you find the family definitely living elsewhere? Vigorous research there may provide the name of a county or townland or village in some document, such as a death notice. Perhaps a living relative can shed more light - family lore, prior research, a notation or record. Given names were often repeated in earlier and later generations. An unusual first or middle name of a son could reflect mother's maiden name. Children with both first and second given names were usually from well-educated, better-off families, oftentimes Protestant. Below is a list of the counties found in the Irish Provinces: IRISH PROVINCES LEINSTER: Cos. Carlow, Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois (Leix/Queen's Co), Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly (King's Co.), Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. MUNSTER: Cos. Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. ULSTER: Divided in two sections -- (1) Northern Ireland with Cos. Antrim, Armagh, Derry/Londonderry, Down, Fermanagh and Tyrone. (2) Republic of Ireland with Cos. Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan. CONNAUGHT: Cos. Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Ann" <bamedhat@telus.net> To: "Ireland Mailing List" <ireland@rootsweb.com>; "Donegal Mailing List" <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: [IRELAND] The Book of Irish Families Great & Small > I have heard that this book is a good resource tool. > > Could sks with access to a copy of this book, The Book > of Irish Families Great & Small by Michael C. O'Laughlin, > please look to see if there are any Osborne families > listed in it? > > I am not sure what the author's criteria might be for an > Irish Family. I suspect that my Osborne ancestors were > Scots-Irish, and may only have been in Ireland for a > couple of generations. <snip> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND- request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Betty Ann - Not to answer your specific question, but according to the surname search engine at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ ("Irish Times" website), during the Primary Valuation (1848-64), there were 193 OSBORNE households, 19 Osbourne, 4 Osburn, 2 Osburne, and 2 Usborne households. OSBORNE spelling was found in many Irish counties, but the majority of those OSBORNE households were found in Co. Down 18, Co. Derry 17, Co. Tyrone 16, Co. Meath 13, Co. Donegal 12, Co. Waterford 12, Co Kilkenny 10, down from there. (If you believe there is a Scots-Irish component to your FH, you may be looking at the Ulster/Northern Ireland region.) Do you have a second surname, such as wife's maiden ("nee") surname, in a marriage that took place in Ireland? If so, could provide more clues. Be sure and explore various websites for information on your surnames of interest, too, via a "google" search.. What years do you believe they lived in Ireland? In the year 1890, there were 12 Osborne births recorded in the Province of Ulster, 5 in Leinster, 5 in Munster and only one in Connacht (Connaught), per the Matheson survey, which is also found at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ Where and when did you find the family definitely living elsewhere? Vigorous research there may provide the name of a county or townland or village in some document, such as a death notice. Perhaps a living relative can shed more light - family lore, prior research, a notation or record. Given names were often repeated in earlier and later generations. An unusual first or middle name of a son could reflect mother's maiden name. Children with both first and second given names were usually from well-educated, better-off families, oftentimes Protestant. Below is a list of the counties found in the Irish Provinces: IRISH PROVINCES LEINSTER: Cos. Carlow, Dublin, Kildare, Kilkenny, Laois (Leix/Queen's Co), Longford, Louth, Meath, Offaly (King's Co.), Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. MUNSTER: Cos. Clare, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford. ULSTER: Divided in two sections -- (1) Northern Ireland with Cos. Antrim, Armagh, Derry/Londonderry, Down, Fermanagh and Tyrone. (2) Republic of Ireland with Cos. Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan. CONNAUGHT: Cos. Galway, Leitrim, Mayo, Roscommon and Sligo. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Ann" <bamedhat@telus.net> To: "Ireland Mailing List" <ireland@rootsweb.com>; "Donegal Mailing List" <DONEGALEIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: [IRELAND] The Book of Irish Families Great & Small > I have heard that this book is a good resource tool. > > Could sks with access to a copy of this book, The Book > of Irish Families Great & Small by Michael C. O'Laughlin, > please look to see if there are any Osborne families > listed in it? > > I am not sure what the author's criteria might be for an > Irish Family. I suspect that my Osborne ancestors were > Scots-Irish, and may only have been in Ireland for a > couple of generations. <snip>

I have heard that this book is a good resource tool. Could sks with access to a copy of this book, The Book of Irish Families Great & Small by Michael C. O'Laughlin, please look to see if there are any Osborne families listed in it? I am not sure what the author's criteria might be for an Irish Family. I suspect that my Osborne ancestors were Scots-Irish, and may only have been in Ireland for a couple of generations. Thought it might be best to see if they are even listed in this book before I bother the library to request it brought in on Inter-Library loan. Thank you very much. Betty Ann

Ballingarry had a coalmine for the last 200 years so that may be a clue . ----- Original Message ----- From: "JUNE METCALFE" <jaymet@btopenworld.com> To: <IRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:39 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Which Ballingarry/Ballinderry Hello I'm new to the list and hope that sks will point me in the right direction. My Kennedy family came from Co Tipperary, but I am not sure which Ballinderry and Ballingarry and I seem to have identified several in both Tipperary North & South. I have identified John Kennedy b1779 in Ballinderry, married Margaret O'Dwyer 1804 died 1842 as the likely parent of Patrick Kennedy who brought his family to England but have no details of him. I have a baptism record for this Patrick Kennedy year 1809, the parish/district is Nenagh. Patrick married Margaret O'Connors in 1837 in St Mary's church, Cahir parish. The family men all worked in the coal mines in England, which may mean that they were a mining family in Co Tipperary. Any information will be most gratefully received! June M "May your blessings outnumber the shamrocks that grow And may trouble avoid you wherever you go" Irish blessing Researching Jackson & Kennedy in Yorkshire, Lincolnshire and Ireland ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message