With permission: Can anyone help Kelly Brokaw? She has cast a broad net, but perhaps these surnames will ring a bell with someone. donkelly ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Kelly Brokaw <kbrokaw@columbus.rr.com> To: ocollaugh@comcast.net Sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:51:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: webmaster Hello! I am currently working on my family history and wonder if you could point me in the right direction. I have a bit of information on Dominick Healy /Haley who was born 22 March 1852 in Ireland. Dominick immigrated to USA about 1866. All I have is his death certificate. I have no county info for Ireland for him. His father was John and mother unknown Fitzmour. ANy help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!! Kelly Brokaw

OF TIME And the long twisting road out of town is what he wanted to be on. His heels kicking up dust and his lungs inhaling the escape from the Banal. But that was yesterday, when he was as delicate as a shrub. Through the wrinkles of the years, he's wept inside. Too old to cry, and have them say something unintelligible. Adjusting his cap, he takes a step, and strikes a match against the wall of time. -- James H. Conway, "Extended Wings: New Poetry and Prose/Rathmines Writers"

CHURCH MUSIC I like to sing but not in church I find it hard to pray that way while in and out of tune I lurch tolling out words I'd never say I feel uneasy and distraught and get all knotted up inside Awkward inept and overwrought I cannot get those knots untied until the organ's final roar reluctantly diminishes it feels like half and hour before it fades away and finishes I almost pray for it to cease and let me sink back on my knees feeling a sense of sweet release delivered from those clamorous keys I find that last long shattering note has left me at a loss for words and murmur 'When I'm praying Lord let me leave singing to the birds.' -- Warren O'Connell, "Extended Wings 5" - an anthology of poetry, Rathmines Writers, Swan Press, Dublin (2004).

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This is what I think I know. Andrew Nolan was born Nov. 1856 Ireland. Margaret Moore born July 1861 Ireland. It looks like they married in Cumbria, Cumberland, England 1880 and that he worked in an ore mine. First son was born in Cumbria, Cumberland, England 1880, John Joseph Nolan Aug. 19, 1881. Andrew did not have enough money to bring everyone to America, so he came himself and sent money to them to come. Second son was born on boat coming to America, Patrick J. Nolan 1883. The family was upset, as U.S. immigration says he and older son are English, not Irish. They settled in the Centralia, PA area. Andrew died 1907 not naturalized. FAmily moved to Philadelphia. I have them from 1900 on....with some missing pieces. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009

Does anyone know of information on Post Famine Emigration from Ireland England to work in the ore mines? 1870's to 1880's? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208

Jo are you on the philly list an Pa. list? It would help to post on them also. searching-for ancestors GEIGER-Veach-Allen-Barnett-CARROLL -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN DONAHUE-BURNS-Fowler-Fahey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Dell Carlson" <jodellcarlson@hotmail.com> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Post Famine Emigration from Ireland to Glasgow,Scotland -- Book Review (2003) This is what I think I know. Andrew Nolan was born Nov. 1856 Ireland. Margaret Moore born July 1861 Ireland. It looks like they married in Cumbria, Cumberland, England 1880 and that he worked in an ore mine. First son was born in Cumbria, Cumberland, England 1880, John Joseph Nolan Aug. 19, 1881. Andrew did not have enough money to bring everyone to America, so he came himself and sent money to them to come. Second son was born on boat coming to America, Patrick J. Nolan 1883. The family was upset, as U.S. immigration says he and older son are English, not Irish. They settled in the Centralia, PA area. Andrew died 1907 not naturalized. FAmily moved to Philadelphia. I have them from 1900 on....with some missing pieces. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_hm_justgotbetter_howitworks_012009 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jo Dell - Were you asking about emigration from Ireland to England to work in ore mines circa 1870s-1880s? Where were the mines located, do you know? Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Post Famine Emigration from Ireland to Glasgow,Scotland -- Book Review (2003) If your ancestors were from Achill Island/Westport area, I have a copy of a thesis written a few years ago as a Masters Thesis from University of Ireland, Maynooth, Co Kildare. It concerned a tragedy which took place there. I have his address if you want to puchase a copy. Not sure what type of data you are exactly looking. Mary Ellen Chambers --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Jo Dell Carlson <jodellcarlson@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Jo Dell Carlson <jodellcarlson@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Post Famine Emigration from Ireland to Glasgow, Scotland -- Book Review (2003) To: "ireland@rootsweb.com" <ireland@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 1:31 PM Does anyone know of information on Post Famine Emigration from Ireland England to work in the ore mines? 1870's to 1880's?

If your ancestors were from Achill Island/Westport area, I have a copy of a thesis written a few years ago as a Masters Thesis from University of Ireland, Maynooth, Co Kildare.  It concerned a tragedy which took place there.  I have his address if you want to puchase a copy.  Not sure what type of data you are exactly looking.   Mary Ellen Chambers --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Jo Dell Carlson <jodellcarlson@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Jo Dell Carlson <jodellcarlson@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Post Famine Emigration from Ireland to Glasgow, Scotland -- Book Review (2003) To: "ireland@rootsweb.com" <ireland@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 1:31 PM Does anyone know of information on Post Famine Emigration from Ireland England to work in the ore mines? 1870's to 1880's? _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

SNIPPET: Sir John LAVERY (1856-1941), portrait and landscape painter, was born in Belfast, educated in Glasgow, London, and at the Academie Julian, Paris. In 1883 he paid the first of many visits to Grez-sur-Loing, south of Paris, where he was influenced by "plein air" painting, then much in vogue. A year later he was back in Glasgow and was associated with the group of avant-garde painters subsequently celebrated as "The Glasgow Boys." This marked the beginning of his meteoric rise to fame, a success that surprised even LAVERY himself. In 1888 he was commissioned to paint the royal visit to the International Exhibition in Glasgow. The commission comprised more than 200 portraits, including that of the queen, thus establishing him as a society portrait painter. In 1896 he settled in London, remaining there till near the end of his life. During WW-I LAVERY was appointed an official war artist with the Royal Navy and afterwards was knighted for his work. He was elected an academician of the Royal Academy in 1921. LAVERY's portrait of his second wife Hazel (1880-1935) as Kathleen Ni Houlihan, personification of Ireland, was used on Irish banknotes up to the 1970s. Hazel (Lady LAVERY), also entered popular legend for a supposed liaison with Michael COLLINS during the negotiation of the Anglo-Irish treaty. Following her death, LAVERY spent much time with his stepdaughter in Ireland. Further reading: Kenneth McCONKEY, "Sir John Lavery" (1993).

BOOK REVIEW: "Irish, The Remarkable Story of a Nation and a City," by John BURROWS (Mainstream Publishing) ISBN 1-84018-685-2, h/b, is a book published a handful of years ago that tells the story of post Famine emigration from Ireland to the Scottish city of Glasgow. "It begins with an account of a hellish sea voyage long faded from the pages of history. The small ships sailing to Scotland were grossly overcrowded , i.e., 'the whole length and breadth of the steerage presented a mass of human beings literally packed together...in fact the appearance of that vessel was that of a shipload of heads and faces.' No one could move, had there been an emergency. On 1 Dec 1848, the "Londonderry" sailed for Glasgow out of Sligo into a raging sea, her deck packed with people. As the storm worsened, they were forced down into the ship's hold to avoid being washed overboard. The hatches were sealed against their frantic protests. When the ship sheltered in Derry harbour it was discovered that 72 souls had suffocated out of the estimated 200 forced below the deck. Other ships carried thousands of Irish to the haven of the city on the "Clyde." The story of the Irish in Scotland is not easy to tell. There was a famous riot, the Battle of Patrick's Cross, in which no one died, nor were fires lit, nor barricades erected. There were gawkers, knockers and mockers, navvies and skivvies, Orange and Green. And there were the amazing adventures of Hannah, the story of an Irish girl in Glasgow which ran for months as a serial in the Glasgow Catholic Observer a century ago. Glasgow, however, was not overcome by poverty, plague and popery as some dreaded it might be. There are still unpleasing local eruptions, generally connected with football. The Irish immigrant, survivors of the most harrowing experiences in the most wretched of times permanently changed the face of the city which became their home." Perhaps you can find a copy of this book if the subject interests you.

Mary Kelly, daughter of John T. Kelly, was born in Canada abt. 1878. Her mother was Alice Davis from Quebec. Alice was born 1843 and married John T. Kelly July 1874 in Massachusetts, USA. Alice and John were subsequently divorced and Mary ended up in Ireland. She was residing in County Wexford in 1962, known as Mrs. M.B. McDonnell. I don't know if the M is for Mary or if that is her husband's name. I don't know when she went to Ireland, or when she married, or when she died. I would be most anxious to locate descendants of Mary's as she is related to me. Is there any way to find her? There would be a Mary Kelly married to a McDonnell probably about 1900 or shortly thereafter. I don't know if marriage was in USA or in Ireland. Don't think it was in Canada as her mother would be deceased by then. I would love it if someone could help me find Mary. Thanks in advance Peggy G.

LOVE OF THE HORSE With narrowed eyes they judged the field He informed, the Grey's sire, was a great mover. She remarked, The Chestnut's dam had a sweet mouth. Red, yellow, blue, racing silks of every hue, rippled in the sunlight across the flickering screen. Around the room lay tarnished trophies. Walls, a mosaic of photographs of mares and foals. Room corners holding drifts of magazines and books, listing bloodlines. Stating what sires were standing where, and for how much. The crumbling mansion, revealing that for long years past, every spare hundred was spent on Chestnuts, Greys, Roans, Bays, and they regretted not one penny. -- Barbara Diamond, "The Leitrim Guardian"

TREE Your skeletal form silhouetted against a mackerel sky. Bare twisted branches, gnarled witchlike fingers, pointing skywards, clawing outwards. Performing your dance macabre, to the music of the winter wind. A slanting morning sun, with Midas touch, gliding your gyrating limbs. At eventide, You were bedecked in coal black crows and aping Autumn, shed some feathered leaves. They looped, swooped, tumbled like leaves caught in a September squall. A blast of gunshot rent the air stripping you of your fluttering shroud, leaving your skeletal form, silhouetted against the evening sky. -- Barbara Diamond, "Leitrim Guardian"

Hello All I am new to the list and have finally found information about my Irish anceststors. I am planning a trip to Northern Ireland this May and would like advice on the best course of action to confirm what information I have and to add to it. My great gradfather was JAMES DIAMOND born in WIGAN, LANCS c.1821 On the 1841 census he is Aged 20 and living in WIGAN with PHILIP DIAMOND Aged 80 born in IRELAND CHARLOTTE DIAMOND Aged 70 born in IRELAND EDWARD DIAMOND Aged 25 born in IRELAND EDWARD McDONALD Aged 20 born in IRELAND MARGARET DIAMOND Aged 9 born in LANCS In 1849 James married ANN ELLISON in the Parish Church in Wigan. On the marriage cert. it states that James' father was called PHILIP and was a weaver. Information from the Irish records shows a PHILIP DIAMOND was born c.1764 in MILL STREET, SHANKILL, Co. ANTRIM and was baptised 7th May 1772 at ST. ANNE'S SHANKILL. His parents were PHILIP DIAMOND & ELIZABETH BURRUS. Philip then went on to marry CHARLOTTE KIERAN in DUNDALK RC Church on 19th Dec. 1795 with witnesses PATT McDONNEL and NIC DEARY. I have several queries which I hope someone will be able to help me with. 1. Why the long gap between Philip's birth and Baptism? 2. Philip and Charlotte seem rather old to be James' parents. They would have been married for 20 years even before Edward was born. Could they be their grandparents? If so - where are the parents? and where does Margaret fit into the family? 3. Could Edward McDonald be related to the witness Patt McDonnel? Any suggestions would be most gratefully received.

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OUTSIDE HISTORY There are outsiders, always. These stars -- these iron inklings of an Irish January, whose light happened thousands of years before our pain did: they are, they have always been outside history. They keep their distance. Under them remains a place where you found you were human, and a landscape in which you know you are mortal. And a time to choose between them. I have chosen: Out of myth into history I move to be part of that ordeal whose darkness is only now reaching me from those fields, those rivers, those roads clotted as firmaments with the dead. How slowly they die as we kneel beside them, whisper in their ear. And we are too late. We are always too late. -- Ms. Eavan Boland

QUARANTINE In the worst hour of the worst season of the worst year of a whole people a man set out from the workhouse with his wife. He was walking -- they were both walking -- north . She was sick with famine fever and could not keep up. He lifted her and put her on his back. He walked like that west and west and north. Until at nightfall under freezing stars they arrived. In the morning they were both found dead. Of cold. Of hunger. Of the toxins of a whole history. But her feet were held against his breastbone. The last heat of his flesh was his last gift to her. Let no love poem ever come to this threshold. There is no place here for the inexact praise of the easy graces and sensuality of the body. There is only time for this merciless inventory: Their death together in the winter of 1847. Also what they suffered. How they lived. And what there is between a man and woman. And in which darkness it can best be proved. -- Ms. Eavan Boland (born Dublin 1944)

Hi I have considered name variations before as it has happened with the Mahoney side, spelt one way in Ireland, a slightly different way when they came out to Australia. So far, only one version of the Hefferman name has come to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "hiflyte" <hiflyte@telus.net> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Hefferman, Mahoney > Hefferman was entered and out popped Heffernan. > What you see is what your get (or what is in the file) > Bob > ======================================== > Jean R. wrote: >> Hi Bob - Appreciative of your input on the list. Wondering if your >> source >> have any HEFFERMAN (a var. of the far more common spelling of HEFFERNAN)? >> Of course, for that matter, spelling can be skewed on old records and >> researchers should keep an open mind in that regard.... >> > ========================= > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Chris Per surname search at: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/ Primary Valuation (1848-64) in Ireland HEFFERMAN households: 0 Surprise - I felt sure that I have seen this surname in Ireland. Apparently it is English. Of course, English came to live in Ireland and vice versa. Perhaps it isn't a variation of Heffernan after all. Needs more research. HEFFERNAN households: 755 Sept. was located in Owenbeg, East Limerick. Numerous, found in all provinces except Ulster. Households most often found in Cos. Tipperary (217); Limerick (78); Cork (65); Kilkenny (56); Mayo (52); Kildare (48), down from there. Births in 1890: Munster Province (36); Leinster (16), Connacht (1); Ulster (0). HEFFERNON (apparently a var.spelling of Heffernan). Only one household each in Cos. Cork, Offaly, Limerick and Wicklow on the Ireland Primary Valuation. Chris - Curious - have you found specific documentation on your HEFFERMAN individual that leads you back to Ireland? Any specifics? Did the marriage occur in Ireland, Australia, elsewhere? Sounds like the surname is connected to heifers, cowmen? I believe that MAHONEY/MAHONY is overwhelmingly a Co. Cork surname, apparently, from the Primary Valuation - although found in many other counties. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Mahoney" <cmahoney@orcon.net.nz> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Hefferman, Mahoney > Hi > > I have considered name variations before as it has happened with the > Mahoney > side, spelt one way in Ireland, a slightly different way when they came > out > to Australia. > > So far, only one version of the Hefferman name has come to me. > <snip>