Hi List - Playing around with the on-line 1911 England-Wales census at the web address below, I discovered that (surprise!) a number of individuals on the census who had been born in Ireland actually GAVE THE ENUMERATOR THE NAME OF THE COUNTY! Try it and see, on the advanced search. www.1911census.co.uk I was able to confirm the family lore that my paternal grandfather Michael Ford (found with his known family members at the family address on New Road, Tue Brook,West Derby, Liverpool, Lancashire, England) WAS born, apparently, in Co. Leitrim, Ireland. The 1911 English census has him down as Micheal Ford born in 1864. From my earlier documents - marriage and death in England - I knew that he was born in late 1863 or early 1864. So far, I have been unable to find a corresponding Catholic birth or christening record for him if, in fact, he was born in 1864 in/near Drumshanbo, Co. Leitrim, per family lore. Not all "events" in Ireland were recorded, however.

Thanks -- I guess I'll have to try to find that ship record / passenger list. On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Jackbowk@aol.com wrote: > Possible the eldest was born on board the Dalmatian, in which case > 'birth' is attributed to the next port of landing. > In a message dated 2/3/2009 6:27:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > irishloft@verizon.net writes: > > Hello-- > Thanks for the info -- I have fragmented info on my Patrick Hoy -- > Patrick born ~1807 and Mary born ~1811 in Ireland -- I have info > stating he & wife Mary arrived in NY on the ship "Dalmatian" in 1836 > from County Longford -- > I know they were living in Luzerne Co., PA in 1850 -- not sure if > they went there when they arrived from Ireland or if they spent some > years elsewhere -- it seems they were there in Luzerne Co. since all > of their children are said to be born in PA. except the oldest > daughter Ellen(my Gr-Gr-grandmother) -- the info I have says Ellen > was born in New York when they arrived in 1836 -- but because of her > age -- I think she was born in 1834 ?? Maybe they arrived on the > "Dalmatian" in 1834 instead of 1836 --- especially since her younger > brother Peter is said to have been born in 1836 -- if they arrived in > 1836 it means Ellen was 2yrs. old and was born in Ireland not NY ?? > I found old church records that show a son Peter born 1836, > Catherine b.1839, Thomas b.1842, MaryAnn b. 1845, and James b.1847 in > PA. -- I recently found a Hoy grave where they lived in PA that has > Peter living from 1838(not 1836 as above) to 1922 -- his wife > Bridget died at 62 years old in Jan. 1903 as marked on the > gravestone. Is it possible to find that ship log and where that ship > would depart from if they were from Longford ?? > Thanks again, > Patrick M. McCann in PA > > On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Jean R. wrote: > >> Cathy Joynt Labath >> Ireland Newspaper Abstracts >> http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/Ireland/index.htm >> Irish in Iowa >> http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/index.htm >> >> Hi Patrick - Any idea where your HOY ancestors lived in Ireland? >> (I see >> from the surname search engine at >> http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/ >> that HOYE is a varation.) >> >> During the Primary Valuation of Ireland (1848-64), there were 15 HOY >> households in Co. Longford, 12 in Belfast city, 7 in Co. Louth, 6 >> in Co. >> Meath, 5 each in Cos. Offaly (King's Co.) and Sligo, 4 each in Cos. >> Dublin, >> Monaghan and Antrim, down from there. Per Matheson's 1890 birth >> data, >> babies born that year were overwhelmingly in the province of Ulster. >> Anything ring a bell? J. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patrick McCann" <irishloft@verizon.net> >> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] IGP >> >> >>> Hi Don & All, >>> I am unable to trace my 3x Gr-Grandfather Patrick Hoy who is >>> said >>> to have left PA for Iowa in the late 1800's -- he and his wife & >>> children arrived in NY from Ireland in approx. 1834 - 1836 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am seeking to find a Walter McKINNIN or McKINNON b) 1903-1914, Belfast, Northern Ireland? On his Marriage Certificate here in Australia; it indicates he was b) 1914, Belfast, Northern Ireland. On subsequent Children's Birth Certificates, they indicate b) 1914, 1903 & 1905? From his Marriage Certificate: His Father was John McKINNIN (Engine driver) His Mother, Mary KELLY. If some SKS could help nail this illusive fellow to the wall or guide me in the right direction to finding his birth etc; I would be ever so very grateful. Kindest Regards; Robert KEMSLEY Australia

Peter, You might want to contact Fr. Keannelly at St. John the Baptist Church in Causeway, Co. Kerry (if he's still there) Fr. Keannelly has an excellent book of his church records available, but a as far as he himself looking up a surname one would have to rely on "Irish Time" and you know how that story goes. I don't know if he has a sacristan who takes care of such duties because Causeway is a very small village. He let me browse through his books the two times I visited Causeway. He also gave me a name of a local resident who does research of the area but the name has long been forgotten among the many nerve trails in my gray matter. FYI: I just looked up Kerry Parishes and it shows St. John the Baptist but doesn't list Fr. Keannelly, but does list Rev. Brendan Walsh at St. Peter & Paul in nearby Ballyduff so he must be taking care of both churches. Rev. Thomas Leane at St. Mary's Church in Ballyheigue may also be able to steer you in the right direction. Fr. Keannelly's health hasn't been too good since a heart attack and bypass operation a few years ago so he may have been retired. I think the Causeway & Ballyduff churches are in the Killury Civil Parish. My surname interest is Leary (O'Leary) and I have two pages of names beginning with L from the St. John the Baptist birth records. While browsing through the godparents I notice the surname Richard Cantillon as being the godfather of Margaret Linnehen in 1813, daughter of Daniel Lenihan & Ellen Houlihan of Blackpool. Godmother was Margaret Connell. Another is John Cantillon, godfather of Thomas Lynahan, 1815, son of Henry Lynahan & Mary Stauton of Addergown. Godmother was Bridget Callaghan. There are a four close spellings of Cantlon & Cantlan that could be connected with your surname Cantillon. Good luck. Don In a message dated 2/5/2009 3:04:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ireland-request@rootsweb.com writes: Message: 7 Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 02:26:14 +0000 From: Tas Tyger <taswolf1@hotmail.com> Subject: [IRELAND] Causeway RC Parish registers (microfilms) Kerry at NLI To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BAY139-W27E80CA54337E56F6AAA788AC00@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I understand that the Kerry RC parish registers are now viewable without the permission of the Bishop?? Is anyone now or in the near future going to be utilising the microfilms for the Causeway Parish church in Kerry and willing to do a lookup? Looking for the Cantillon family resident in that area around the 1820-30's period. My ancestor Catherine Cantillon was born circa 1833. Her father was Patrick Cantillon and she had brothers Patrick and John and sisters Honora, Bridget, Mary Ellen and Margaret These details were taken from her convict record and though i have been in contact with living relatives i Kerry most has been anecdotal stories and I don't have a ny firm documentation. Any help or advice would really be appreciated. Living in australia makes it very hard to access some of this information !! Regards, Peter J Oakley (Tasmania) **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)

I understand that the Kerry RC parish registers are now viewable without the permission of the Bishop?? Is anyone now or in the near future going to be utilising the microfilms for the Causeway Parish church in Kerry and willing to do a lookup? Looking for the Cantillon family resident in that area around the 1820-30's period. My ancestor Catherine Cantillon was born circa 1833. Her father was Patrick Cantillon and she had brothers Patrick and John and sisters Honora, Bridget, Mary Ellen and Margaret These details were taken from her convict record and though i have been in contact with living relatives i Kerry most has been anecdotal stories and I don't have a ny firm documentation. Any help or advice would really be appreciated. Living in australia makes it very hard to access some of this information !! Regards, Peter J Oakley (Tasmania) _________________________________________________________________ Get the most out of your life online! Click here for the latest news and tips. http://livelife.ninemsn.com.au/

Fellow researchers The Registry of Deeds in Dublin is an important repository of genealogical information. In April 2007, I started a project to make these records more accessible to genealogists. The Registry of Deeds Index Project is all about collecting and sharing name index entries so people can make better use of the vast resource. The latest update of the databases in the Registry of Deeds Index Project has over 30,000 index entries. This free resource provides a great start to researching the records of the Registry of Deeds in Dublin. While 30,000 index records is impressive, this really only scratches to surface as there are over 600,000 memorials between 1708 and 1833, and would have at least two parties and two witnesses. The project databases are now directly searchable making access much easier. The ability to browse entries remains so Google and other search engines have full access to the site. The search pages are: http://members.pcug.org.au/~nickred/deeds/search_index.html http://members.pcug.org.au/~nickred/deeds_gg/gg_search_index.html This magnificent collection has come about through the generosity of a few major indexers. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~registryofdeeds/contributors/contributor_index.htm The coverage of the indexing effort is summarised at : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~registryofdeeds/by_number/indexed.htm The resource would be made even greater if more people could contribute index entries. People can send index entries as Word, Excel, Lotus, CSV, RTF etc files or people can use the index form to send index entries for a single deed: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~registryofdeeds/forms/make_abstract.htm The Project home page explains in more detail how to make a contribution. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~registryofdeeds/index.html <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eregistryofdeeds/index.html> If you want to contribute but are unsure of what to do send me an email and I can try to assist. (feel free to share this e-mail with other lists or individuals who may be interested) -- Regards Nick /Home/ http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickred/ <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Enickred/> /Sites managed/ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~registryofdeeds/index.html <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Eregistryofdeeds/index.html> http://www.igrsoc.org/index.htm http://members.iinet.net.au/~nickred/majuratennis/ <http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Enickred/majuratennis/>

On Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:29:26 -0800 "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> wrote: Hello Jean, > Received the note below from a lister. Thank you for calling this to > our attention, Brad! You're welcome, Jean. I'm waiting (impatiently) for the Welsh data to arrive. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" If Adolf Hitler flew in today, they'd send a limousine anyway (White Man) In Hammersmith Palais

Is anyone researching the name of McKINNIN or McKINNON? I am seeking to find a Walter McKINNIN/McKINNON b) 1903-1914, Belfast, Northern Ireland? On his Marriage Certificate here in Australia; it indicates he was b) 1914, Belfast, Northern Ireland. Subsequent Children's Birth Certificates indicate b) 1914, 1903 & 1905? Can SKS help nail this illusive fellow to the wall please or guide me in the right direction to possible finding his birth etc? Kindest Regards; Robert KEMSLEY Australia

For the Welsh on the list -- LEISURE What is this life if, full of care, We have no time to stand and stare?- No time to stand beneath the boughs, And stare as long as sheep and cows: No time to see, when woods we pass, Where squirrels hide their nuts in grass: No time to see, in broad daylight, Streams full of stars, like skies at night: No time to turn at Beauty's glance, And watch her feet, how they can dance: No time to wait till her mouth can Enrich that smile her eyes began? A poor life this if, full of care, We have no time to stand and stare. -- W. H. Davies (1871-1940) William Henry Davies was born in Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales, the son of a publican. After an apprenticeship as a picture-frame maker and a series of labouring jobs, he travelled to America, first to New York and then to the Klondike. He returned to England after having lost a foot jumping a train in Canada, where he led a penurious life in London lodging houses and as a pedlar in the country. He married in 1923, Emma, who was much younger than he. His first poems were published when he was 34. Most of his poetry is on the subject of nature or life on the road and exhibits a natural simple, earthy style. He also wrote two novels and autobiographical works, his best known being Autobiography of a Super-Tramp.

SNIPPET: In a delightful letter in the 'Post Bag' in the Nov 1998 issue of "Best of British Past & Present" magazine, Mr. George ROBINS, Belvedere, Kent, England, shared some happy memories of camping coaches. Perhaps this will jog someone else's memory.... Per Mr. ROBINS - "We well remember camping coach holidays - they were great - and we enjoyed reading the article by Andrew McRAE (in a recent issue). Our first holiday was to Aberdovey in Wales . We shared an eight-berthed coach with our friends, four adults and five children. We took a camp bed for one of the children. They thought it was all marvellous. I think we paid eight guineas a week and that included bed linen, towels, crockery, etc. All we needed to take was personal clothing and toiletries. We had reserved seats on the train there and back. At our request, the staff laid on initial food supplies and even had the kettle boiling water when we arrived. They were really good to us. Excluding food, we had a two-week holiday for nine of us for about 35 pounds. That was in 1955. In 1957 we had a camping coach at Ferryside, South Wales, and we had the same welcome from the station and staff who couldn't do enough to make our holiday enjoyable. With a seven-day runabout ticket we visited some lovely places with beautiful beaches. One day we went to Tenby, a lovely seaside town with golden sands. The station master at Ferryside arranged for us to return on an express train and it made a special stop for us to alight at Ferryside. I wonder if they would do that nowadays? In 1959 we went to Aberarch in North Wales, a very tiny quiet station. There was no running water in the coach, but every day four churns of water were delivered to us and they would take the used ones away even if they were not empty. It was a request stop station and you waved your hand to stop a train just like catching a bus. If we travelled anywhere we had to contact the guard on the return train and he would put us on the correct coach. The platform at Aberarch was only the length of one coach. We thought it was great fun and we got to know most of the engine drivers. Our last holiday was at Abergele which I recognised from the photo in the magazine. This was a much bigger station with many camping coaches. Just the same as the other holidays, they did us proud. There was a retired signalman who attended to all our needs. He became a great friend and would often regale us with stories of his life on the railway. At that time there was a branch line to Llanberis, so we spent one day walking to the top of Snowdon and back returning to Abergele on the train. Then Dr. BEECHING came along and closed the line. I well remember the "Irish Mail" and we would wait for it to come through the station - what memories. The children revelled in all of it. It makes me wonder what they are missing in this day and age. We are both well into our eighties. Three years ago we celebrated our golden wedding and were given a trip on the Eurostar to Paris for a weekend. We really enjoyed it, 186 mph in France, yet there seemed to be more excitement watching the "Irish Mail" steam through Abergele. I wish they still had camping coaches. I have every issue of "Best of British;" keep up the good work."

Received the note below from a lister. Thank you for calling this to our attention, Brad! Hello Jean, > www.1911census.co.uk > Free search for individuals and families on 1911 UK census. It's for England and Wales and doesn't include Scotland. Even now, Wales data hasn't made it on-line. There's also some England counties yet to be included. The Scottish census was taken under different legislation and will be separately released on its own site in 2012. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRISH-IN-UK-L@rootweb.com> Cc: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: [IRELAND] RESOURCE: 1911 UK Census on Line > www.1911census.co.uk > > Free search for individuals and families on 1911 UK census.

On Tue, 3 Feb 2009 22:46:10 -0800 "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> wrote: Hello Jean, > www.1911census.co.uk __._,_.___ > Free search for individuals and families on 1911 UK census. It's for England and Wales and doesn't include Scotland. Even now, Wales data hasn't made it on-line. There's also some England counties yet to be included. The Scottish census was taken under different legislation and will be separately released on its own site in 2012. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" Where will you be when the bodies burn? The Gasman Cometh - Crass

www.1911census.co.uk __._,_.___ Free search for individuals and families on 1911 UK census.

Possible the eldest was born on board the Dalmatian, in which case 'birth' is attributed to the next port of landing. In a message dated 2/3/2009 6:27:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, irishloft@verizon.net writes: Hello-- Thanks for the info -- I have fragmented info on my Patrick Hoy -- Patrick born ~1807 and Mary born ~1811 in Ireland -- I have info stating he & wife Mary arrived in NY on the ship "Dalmatian" in 1836 from County Longford -- I know they were living in Luzerne Co., PA in 1850 -- not sure if they went there when they arrived from Ireland or if they spent some years elsewhere -- it seems they were there in Luzerne Co. since all of their children are said to be born in PA. except the oldest daughter Ellen(my Gr-Gr-grandmother) -- the info I have says Ellen was born in New York when they arrived in 1836 -- but because of her age -- I think she was born in 1834 ?? Maybe they arrived on the "Dalmatian" in 1834 instead of 1836 --- especially since her younger brother Peter is said to have been born in 1836 -- if they arrived in 1836 it means Ellen was 2yrs. old and was born in Ireland not NY ?? I found old church records that show a son Peter born 1836, Catherine b.1839, Thomas b.1842, MaryAnn b. 1845, and James b.1847 in PA. -- I recently found a Hoy grave where they lived in PA that has Peter living from 1838(not 1836 as above) to 1922 -- his wife Bridget died at 62 years old in Jan. 1903 as marked on the gravestone. Is it possible to find that ship log and where that ship would depart from if they were from Longford ?? Thanks again, Patrick M. McCann in PA On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Jean R. wrote: > Cathy Joynt Labath > Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/Ireland/index.htm > Irish in Iowa > http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/index.htm > > Hi Patrick - Any idea where your HOY ancestors lived in Ireland? > (I see > from the surname search engine at http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/ > that HOYE is a varation.) > > During the Primary Valuation of Ireland (1848-64), there were 15 HOY > households in Co. Longford, 12 in Belfast city, 7 in Co. Louth, 6 > in Co. > Meath, 5 each in Cos. Offaly (King's Co.) and Sligo, 4 each in Cos. > Dublin, > Monaghan and Antrim, down from there. Per Matheson's 1890 birth data, > babies born that year were overwhelmingly in the province of Ulster. > Anything ring a bell? J. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick McCann" <irishloft@verizon.net> > To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] IGP > > >> Hi Don & All, >> I am unable to trace my 3x Gr-Grandfather Patrick Hoy who is said >> to have left PA for Iowa in the late 1800's -- he and his wife & >> children arrived in NY from Ireland in approx. 1834 - 1836 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello-- Thanks for the info -- I have fragmented info on my Patrick Hoy -- Patrick born ~1807 and Mary born ~1811 in Ireland -- I have info stating he & wife Mary arrived in NY on the ship "Dalmatian" in 1836 from County Longford -- I know they were living in Luzerne Co., PA in 1850 -- not sure if they went there when they arrived from Ireland or if they spent some years elsewhere -- it seems they were there in Luzerne Co. since all of their children are said to be born in PA. except the oldest daughter Ellen(my Gr-Gr-grandmother) -- the info I have says Ellen was born in New York when they arrived in 1836 -- but because of her age -- I think she was born in 1834 ?? Maybe they arrived on the "Dalmatian" in 1834 instead of 1836 --- especially since her younger brother Peter is said to have been born in 1836 -- if they arrived in 1836 it means Ellen was 2yrs. old and was born in Ireland not NY ?? I found old church records that show a son Peter born 1836, Catherine b.1839, Thomas b.1842, MaryAnn b. 1845, and James b.1847 in PA. -- I recently found a Hoy grave where they lived in PA that has Peter living from 1838(not 1836 as above) to 1922 -- his wife Bridget died at 62 years old in Jan. 1903 as marked on the gravestone. Is it possible to find that ship log and where that ship would depart from if they were from Longford ?? Thanks again, Patrick M. McCann in PA On Jan 31, 2009, at 2:50 PM, Jean R. wrote: > Cathy Joynt Labath > Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/Ireland/index.htm > Irish in Iowa > http://www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/index.htm > > Hi Patrick - Any idea where your HOY ancestors lived in Ireland? > (I see > from the surname search engine at http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/ > that HOYE is a varation.) > > During the Primary Valuation of Ireland (1848-64), there were 15 HOY > households in Co. Longford, 12 in Belfast city, 7 in Co. Louth, 6 > in Co. > Meath, 5 each in Cos. Offaly (King's Co.) and Sligo, 4 each in Cos. > Dublin, > Monaghan and Antrim, down from there. Per Matheson's 1890 birth data, > babies born that year were overwhelmingly in the province of Ulster. > Anything ring a bell? J. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick McCann" <irishloft@verizon.net> > To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] IGP > > >> Hi Don & All, >> I am unable to trace my 3x Gr-Grandfather Patrick Hoy who is said >> to have left PA for Iowa in the late 1800's -- he and his wife & >> children arrived in NY from Ireland in approx. 1834 - 1836 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sharon, Another reminder is that the archives of the NFLD Lists have "lots" of surnames posted in them. Very helpful researchers there. In fact, searching the archives of all Lists for Canada that you are interested in "might" find your surname mentioned. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Ryan" <sharonryan@sympatico.ca> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Cc: <mrbig45@hotmail.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Canada > Remember when speaking of Canada after 1949 Newfoundland was a > province...Newfoundland is actually the "oldest" colony of Great Britian > and it was a country much older than United States or Canada. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> > To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:56 AM > Subject: [IRELAND] Canada

Hi. I have an Armon Harrington, born in Quebec abt. 1839 with parents John Harrington and Charlotte. Any chance Armon's father John is the grandfather mentioned who landed in Quebec in June 1837. Armon Harrington married Barbara Spence on June 30, 1881 in Arnprior, Renfrew, Ontario. Barbara was my g grandmother's sister and my grandfather was named Armon Harrington Johnston, I presume after his uncle. Let me know if there is a connection here. Thanks Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Part 3 - Emigration from the Beara Peninsula -HARRINGTON > > Maheesh and Kebugh are secondary surnames commonly used on the Beara > Peninsula). Daniel E. HARRINGTON's father, John Harrington (Causkie) was > born in the parish of Eyeries on 21 June 1819 and married Mary Harrington > (Kebugh) from Bere Island. His grandfather, John Harrington, was > apparently > a native of Castletown (Castletownbere), Co. Cork, and his wife was a > MURPHY > (Maheesh) from Castletown. His great grandfather, also named John > Harrington, had two brothers, Daniel and Cornelius Harrington who died in > the wars between England and France in the last part of the 18th century. > > Daniel's grandfather and his two sons, John (Daniel's father) and Timothy > landed in Quebec, Canada in June 1837. His grandfather went on to work in > the copper mines of Stratford, VT. Vermont became the home of the family > for > 35 years. They settled in North Adams, Massachusetts for eight years, and > then in April 1880, Springfield Massachusetts became their home. > > John Harrington's first wife was native Vermonter Sarah Lucina POTTER. > They > were married in 1844 and had five children - Catherine, Honora, Mary, > Ellen > and Timothy. Sarah died in 1853. > > Pt. 3 - > > Per Daniel's account: "My father (John) and mother (second wife, Mary > HARRINGTON of Bere Island) were united in marriage on 8 March 1854 at > Chicopee, Massachusetts (then called Cabot Ville), by the Rev. William > BLINKENSON, as at this time there was no priest in Springfield. Right away > they proceeded to Dorset, Vermont, where the children of his first > marriage > were living under the care of relatives. Nine children were born of the > second union, five boys and four girls. Of the boys, the writer (Daniel E. > Harrington) is the only one living in 1930. The girls are still alive, > making their home in Springfield, Mass. > > Arriving in Boston from Bere Island in the early summer of 1848, my mother > first went to Lowell to a cousin for a few days before moving on to > Springfield. From there she walked the rest of the way to her mother's > sister, a Mrs. MURPHY, at Cabot Ville (Chicopee) where she spent the next > five years of her life working in a cotton mill until her marriage to my > father." > > In an entry 06 March 1933, Timothy continues: "It is now three years since > I > started this history of the HARRINGTON family. Since then many sad events > have happened. The greatest grief came to me in the passing so suddenly on > the forenoon of 28 January 1932 of my darling life partner. This loss to > the > family does not grow less as the time passes. For many days it seemed as > though her footsteps were about the home, and every time I went into her > room it seemed she should be either there or busy, as was her usual > custom, > at her housework. Two of my sisters passed on. First Sarah (wife of W. J. > QUILTY of Springfield, Mass.) died on 21 Feb 1930 and Julia within a year > later. > > My wife was Margaret FITZGERALD, born at No. 100, State Street, Saratoga > Springs, from which home she became united in marriage with me on 03 > September 1884. We lived there, and our two oldest children, John and > Margaret, were born there. On 01 April 1887 we took up our residence at 15 > Van Dorn Street, Saratoga Springs, and have lived there continuously > since. > This home has seen many hours of gladness, and some also of sadness. Two > of > our children died here: Charles at the age of one year and two days, and > Catherine at the age of four months. My other children, except Margaret, > have married. And now I am nearing the time when I must cease work. It is > but a few days ago that I made my first will which I intend to be my last. > I > am filing these leaves away with the will, and some day they may be read > by > my children." End. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> > To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Part 2 - Emigration from the Beara > Peninsula -HARRINGTON > > >> Per Daniel E. Harrington's written account, his grandfather, widower John >> Harrington. left the Beara Peninsula with his sons, John (Daniel's >> father) >> and Timothy. <snip> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Remember when speaking of Canada after 1949 Newfoundland was a province...Newfoundland is actually the "oldest" colony of Great Britian and it was a country much older than United States or Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:56 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Canada > SNIPPET: Although Canada came into being officially only in 1867 > (comprising at that time the provinces of Ontario, Quebec, New Brunswick, > and Nova Scotia), 'Canada' in general usage refers to all of what was once > British North America and New France, and which today spans the North > American continent from Newfoundland to British Columbia. Although the > Irish in Canada (both immigrants and later generations) have never acted > with the strident ethnic assertiveness characteristic of the Irish in the > urban United States, they have had a much greater impact upon the national > and provincial polities than have the American Irish upon their respective > jurisdiction. This is because the Irish in Canada were a 'charter group,' > one of the bands of earliest settlers and thence operated from a position, > not of disadvantage, but of relative privilege. Equally important, they > were numerically consequential. In 1867, for example, the Irish were the > largest ethnic group in the anglophone population, making up 40.1% of > persons of British Isles origin to the new Canadian confederation. The > Irish in Canada (meaning the multi-generational ethnic group) were roughly > two-thirds Protestant in the 19th and 20th centuries. The most obvious > Irish impacts upon the Canadian polity were threefold. First, the > Protestant Irish strongly enforced the loyalist tradition on which > English-speaking Canada was founded. ('Loyalist,' in Canadian usage, > refers > to those people who left the thirteen colonies at the time of the American > Revolution and, being loyal to the crown, moved northward to British North > America.) Second, in the second half of the 19th century and the first > half > of the 20th, the Orange Order was the largest voluntary organization in > Canada. It was tightly tied to the provincial and national Tory parties, > but was also influential among the Liberals outside the province of > Quebec. > Third, in Ontario, the Catholics of Irish extraction spearheaded a > campaign > to turn the non-denominational school system, created in 1846 and modelled > on the Irish national schools, into one wherein Catholic 'separate > schools' > received governmental funding. In matters of residence, occupation, and > social mobility, Irish persons in Canada, whether Protestant or Catholic, > have not been ghettoized or heavily discriminated against. From the 1850s > onward (when reliable data first become available), their socio-economic > profiles have equalled, or exceeded, the national norms. > > -- D. H. Akenson, Professor of History, Queen's University, Kingston, > Ontario. Further reading: D. H. Akenson, "The Irish in Ontario: A Study > in Rural History" (1984); D. H. Akenson, "Being Had: Historians, Evidence > and the Irish in North America" (1985); C. J. Houston and W. J. Smyth, > "Irish Emigration and Canadian Settlement: Partners, Links and Letters" > (1990). > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.16/1928 - Release Date: 01/31/09 20:03:00

Maheesh and Kebugh are secondary surnames commonly used on the Beara Peninsula). Daniel E. HARRINGTON's father, John Harrington (Causkie) was born in the parish of Eyeries on 21 June 1819 and married Mary Harrington (Kebugh) from Bere Island. His grandfather, John Harrington, was apparently a native of Castletown (Castletownbere), Co. Cork, and his wife was a MURPHY (Maheesh) from Castletown. His great grandfather, also named John Harrington, had two brothers, Daniel and Cornelius Harrington who died in the wars between England and France in the last part of the 18th century. Daniel's grandfather and his two sons, John (Daniel's father) and Timothy landed in Quebec, Canada in June 1837. His grandfather went on to work in the copper mines of Stratford, VT. Vermont became the home of the family for 35 years. They settled in North Adams, Massachusetts for eight years, and then in April 1880, Springfield Massachusetts became their home. John Harrington's first wife was native Vermonter Sarah Lucina POTTER. They were married in 1844 and had five children - Catherine, Honora, Mary, Ellen and Timothy. Sarah died in 1853. Pt. 3 - Per Daniel's account: "My father (John) and mother (second wife, Mary HARRINGTON of Bere Island) were united in marriage on 8 March 1854 at Chicopee, Massachusetts (then called Cabot Ville), by the Rev. William BLINKENSON, as at this time there was no priest in Springfield. Right away they proceeded to Dorset, Vermont, where the children of his first marriage were living under the care of relatives. Nine children were born of the second union, five boys and four girls. Of the boys, the writer (Daniel E. Harrington) is the only one living in 1930. The girls are still alive, making their home in Springfield, Mass. Arriving in Boston from Bere Island in the early summer of 1848, my mother first went to Lowell to a cousin for a few days before moving on to Springfield. From there she walked the rest of the way to her mother's sister, a Mrs. MURPHY, at Cabot Ville (Chicopee) where she spent the next five years of her life working in a cotton mill until her marriage to my father." In an entry 06 March 1933, Timothy continues: "It is now three years since I started this history of the HARRINGTON family. Since then many sad events have happened. The greatest grief came to me in the passing so suddenly on the forenoon of 28 January 1932 of my darling life partner. This loss to the family does not grow less as the time passes. For many days it seemed as though her footsteps were about the home, and every time I went into her room it seemed she should be either there or busy, as was her usual custom, at her housework. Two of my sisters passed on. First Sarah (wife of W. J. QUILTY of Springfield, Mass.) died on 21 Feb 1930 and Julia within a year later. My wife was Margaret FITZGERALD, born at No. 100, State Street, Saratoga Springs, from which home she became united in marriage with me on 03 September 1884. We lived there, and our two oldest children, John and Margaret, were born there. On 01 April 1887 we took up our residence at 15 Van Dorn Street, Saratoga Springs, and have lived there continuously since. This home has seen many hours of gladness, and some also of sadness. Two of our children died here: Charles at the age of one year and two days, and Catherine at the age of four months. My other children, except Margaret, have married. And now I am nearing the time when I must cease work. It is but a few days ago that I made my first will which I intend to be my last. I am filing these leaves away with the will, and some day they may be read by my children." End. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Part 2 - Emigration from the Beara Peninsula -HARRINGTON > Per Daniel E. Harrington's written account, his grandfather, widower John > Harrington. left the Beara Peninsula with his sons, John (Daniel's father) > and Timothy. <snip>

Per Daniel E. Harrington's written account, his grandfather, widower John Harrington. left the Beara Peninsula with his sons, John (Daniel's father) and Timothy. Timothy became gravely ill during the ocean crossing and was apparently quarantined when they landed in Quebec in June 1837. John Harrington left his son, John, in Quebec to make arrangements following Timothy's impending death. "My grandfather now set out for the copper mines of Stratford, Vermont, about 300 miles away. Fortunately, he had enough to pay for his passage via boat on the river to Montreal, then by stagecoach to the nearest point on Lake Champlain, boat again to Burlington and then by foot and anyway he could to Stratford. This journey took about seven days. He went to work at once in the mine as foreman." Pt 2 - "Every day he waited for his oldest boy John (my father) to turn up, as when my grandfather left Quebec, John was to wait there and later report to him about the burial of Timothy. But instead of dying, as predicted, Timothy had taken a turn for the better, and after three weeks he was let ashore and stayed in a boarding-house kept by an Irishman Thomas McGrath. My father, John, went into the country and got a job making potash. The Frenchmen he worked for had no English, and my father spoke Irish. He lived on pea soup and pork which was more raw than cooked. He put in about three weeks at this work and made several trips into Quebec for news of his brother Timothy who was still at McGrath's boarding house. One day he found that Timothy had begun his first business venture in America. The owner of the boarding house and some kind-heart Irish labourers, boarders of his, had made up a purse and started Timothy in business, selling candies and oranges around the docks so that, when my father arrived, Timothy had about seven dollars, while my father John, had the sum of eight English shillings for his three weeks making potash. Vermont became the home of the family for thirty-five years. Leaving the Green Mountain State in 1872, they settled in North Adams, Massachusetts, for eight years, and then, in April 1880, Springfield, Massachusetts became their home. My father's first wife was a native Vermonter, Sarah Lucina Potter. They were married in 1844. Of this union there were five children: Catherine, Honora, Mary, Ellen and Timothy. The mother of these children died on 10 October 1853 (her baby Timothy was only thirteen months old at the time and her grave-stone can be found in the old Dorset cemetery." -- to be concluded. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Emigration from the Beara Peninsula - HARRINGTON > ACCOUNT: The following was written in the USA in 1930 by Daniel E. > Harrington and found among his personal papers. These entries were written > over a three-year period and gives a very interesting glimpse into the > hardships of emigrants in the 19th century. > > Part 1: > > 1930 - "My father, John Harrington (Causkie) was born in the parish of > Eyeries on 21 June 1819. <snip>