BLACKBERRY-PICKING Late August, given heavy rain and sun For a full week, the blackberries would ripen. At first, just one, a glossy purple clot Among others, red, green, hard as a knot. You ate that first one and its flesh was sweet Like thickened wine; summer's blood was in it Leaving stains upon the tongue and lust for Picking. Then red ones inked up and that hunger Sent us out with the milk cans, pea tins, jam pots Where briars scratched and wet grass bleached our boots. Round hayfields, cornfields and potato drills We trekked and picked until the cans were full, Until the tinkling bottom had been covered With green ones, and on top big dark blobs burned Like a plate of eyes. Our hands were peppered With thorn pricks, our palms sticky as Bluebeard's. We hoarded the fresh berries in the byre. But when the bath was filled we found a fur, A rat-grey fungus, glutting on our cache. The juice was stinking too. Once off the bush The fruit fermented, the sweet flesh would turn sour. I always felt like crying. It wasn't fair That all the lovely canfuls smelt of rot. Each year I hoped they'd keep, knew they would not. - Seamus HEANEY

THE GIVEN NOTE On the most westerly Blasket In a dry-stone hut He got this air out of the night. Strange noises were heard By others who followed, bits of a tune Coming in on loud weather Though nothing like melody. He blamed their fingers and ear As unpractised, their fiddling easy For he had gone alone into the island And brought back the whole thing. The house throbbed like his full violin. So whether he calls it spirit music Or not, I don't care. He took it Out of wind off mid-Atlantic, Still he maintains, from nowhere. It comes off the bow gravely, Rephrases itself into the air. -- Seamus Heaney

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Good Morning - I love all of your stories - you know so much more about your family's than I do - Have any of you heard of "Adams Great Fortune"? My mother's story goes that her gggrandparents, Foley (female) and Adams(male) married - one was Catholic and the other protestant - they were forced to leave Ireland because of this religious mixing and "Adams" was disinherited and lost out on his part of their large fortune. Kathi Kathryn Becker kbecker@georgefox.edu -----Original Message----- From: ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean R. Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:00 AM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRELAND] Author Frank McCourt's Mother -- Angela (Sheehan) McCOURT-- (Limerick to NY) SNIPPET: In his second autobiographical book, "Tis," Frank McCOURT tells a moving story about his mother, Angela SHEEHAN, born into a Catholic family in the slums of Limerick. When she married a Toome, Co. Antrim, man and they raised their family in Limerick, her husband Malachy McCourt was looked up with great suspicion and contempt by family and neighbors and in his attempts to look for work. Because he was from the North and had a different accent, Mr. McCourt was dismissed as a "sneaky little Presbyterian with an odd look and an odd way of talking" Years later, 1959, Angela visited her son, Frank, in NY: "Mam had moved into a small apartment across the street from Malachy (her son) on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.." Frank recalls, "I remembered something she had told me months ago while we sat waiting for Thanksgiving dinner. 'Isn't it remarkable,' she said, the ways thing turn out in people's lives." I asked her what she meant. "Well I was sitting in my apartment and I was feeling lonesome so I went up and sat on one of those benches they have in the grassy island in the middle of Broadway and this woman came along, a shopping bag woman, one of the homeless ones, all tattered and greasy, rootin' around in the garbage can till she found a newspaper and sat beside me reading it till she asked me if she could borrow my glasses because she could only read the headlines with the sight she had and when she talked I noticed she had an Irish accent, so I asked her where she came from and she told me Donegal a long time ago and wasn't it lovely to be sitting on a bench in the middle of Broadway with people noticing things and asking where you came from. She asked if I could spare a few pennies for soup and I said instead she could come with me to the Associated supermarket and we'd get some groceries and have a proper meal. Oh, she couldn't do that, she said, but I told her that's what I was going to do anyway. She wouldn't come inside the store. She said they wouldn't want the likes of her." Angela continued, "I got bread and butter and rashers and eggs and when we got home I told her she could go in and have a nice shower and she was delighted with herself though there wasn't much I could do about her clothes or the bags she carried. We had our dinner and watched television till she started falling asleep on me and I told her to lie down there on the bed but she wouldn't, God knows the bed is big enough for four, but she laid down on the floor with a shopping bag under the head and when I woke up in the morning she was gone and I missed her." ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

SNIPPET: In his second autobiographical book, "Tis," Frank McCOURT tells a moving story about his mother, Angela SHEEHAN, born into a Catholic family in the slums of Limerick. When she married a Toome, Co. Antrim, man and they raised their family in Limerick, her husband Malachy McCourt was looked up with great suspicion and contempt by family and neighbors and in his attempts to look for work. Because he was from the North and had a different accent, Mr. McCourt was dismissed as a "sneaky little Presbyterian with an odd look and an odd way of talking" Years later, 1959, Angela visited her son, Frank, in NY: "Mam had moved into a small apartment across the street from Malachy (her son) on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.." Frank recalls, "I remembered something she had told me months ago while we sat waiting for Thanksgiving dinner. 'Isn't it remarkable,' she said, the ways thing turn out in people's lives." I asked her what she meant. "Well I was sitting in my apartment and I was feeling lonesome so I went up and sat on one of those benches they have in the grassy island in the middle of Broadway and this woman came along, a shopping bag woman, one of the homeless ones, all tattered and greasy, rootin' around in the garbage can till she found a newspaper and sat beside me reading it till she asked me if she could borrow my glasses because she could only read the headlines with the sight she had and when she talked I noticed she had an Irish accent, so I asked her where she came from and she told me Donegal a long time ago and wasn't it lovely to be sitting on a bench in the middle of Broadway with people noticing things and asking where you came from. She asked if I could spare a few pennies for soup and I said instead she could come with me to the Associated supermarket and we'd get some groceries and have a proper meal. Oh, she couldn't do that, she said, but I told her that's what I was going to do anyway. She wouldn't come inside the store. She said they wouldn't want the likes of her." Angela continued, "I got bread and butter and rashers and eggs and when we got home I told her she could go in and have a nice shower and she was delighted with herself though there wasn't much I could do about her clothes or the bags she carried. We had our dinner and watched television till she started falling asleep on me and I told her to lie down there on the bed but she wouldn't, God knows the bed is big enough for four, but she laid down on the floor with a shopping bag under the head and when I woke up in the morning she was gone and I missed her."

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TheWhitest Flower. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul and Sylvia" <hiluv-8@shaw.ca> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Famine Sculptures - GILLESPIE (Dublin)and BEHAN (Mayo) While we were in Ireland we saw lots of places were these poor folks lived ,Sad they had it renenacted of course but yes not nice ,How they lived and died i read a book and for the life of me i can not remember its name ,It was about an irish girl she had lost her hubby and tryin her best to bring i think it was about 7 children and 5 died threw the first couple of years but her plan was take the two left and herself to America and yes she did ,I Have read lots of books on folks comeing from Ireland to Liverpool ,,,Theres a statue erected there of Irish emigrants leaveing to go to America down at the Pier head and for the few times i have had the chance to go back to Liverpool i didnt know about it ,Till i was told so we went down and found it How many times i must have walked not far from it ,,To bad that we can not send pics ,because i think this was a great honor bestowed to these gorageous people, Sylvia Jo Dell Carlson wrote: > I know I am a few days late reading this, but I Google Image....Gillespie > Famine Sculpture. You can feel their hunger and pain. > > > > >> From: jeanrice@cet.com >> To: ireland@rootsweb.com >> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:21:36 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Famine Sculptures - GILLESPIE (Dublin) and BEHAN >> (Mayo) >> >> Hi Mary - If you "google" the phrase Gillespie Famine Sculpture several >> hits >> will come up including Wikipedia (the on-line free encyclopedia) which >> has a >> really nice page with biography and photos you can click on to enlarge. >> Perhaps other listers can come up with a website with his famine photos >> that >> are include close-ups. >> >> Others include: >> http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/irish-sculpture/rowan-gillespie.htm >> >> And: http://www.superstock.com/stock-photography/famine. You >> can enlarge photos by clicking on the magnifying glass on the photos. >> >> ***An arresting memorial is the bronze sculpture of a famine ship located >> at >> the foot of Croagh Patrick, in Murrisk, Westpoint, County Mayo, unveiled >> by >> then-Irish President Mary ROBINSON in 1996. The ship's rigging is >> portrayed >> as skeletal, phantom-like, famine refugees. This sculpture was designed >> by >> Dublin-born (1938) sculptor John BEHAN. Check the Internet >> for photos by "googling" Behan Famine Sculpture Murrisk. Jean. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> >> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com>; <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Rowan GILLESPIE's Famine Sculpture,Custom House >> Quay >> Dublin >> >> >> >>> Hi Jean, >>> Are there any photos online of this sculpture please? >>> Kind regards, >>> Mary >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> >>> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:12 PM >>> Subject: [IRELAND] Rowan GILLESPIE's Famine Sculpture,Custom House Quay >>> Dublin >>> >>> >>> >>>> SNIPPET: "Famine", Rowan GILLESPIE's moving sculpture in Dublin's >>>> Custom >>>> House Quay commemorates those poor souls forced to emigrate during the >>>> famine of the 19th century. <snip> >>>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to > meet. > http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Donna, Oceans of Consolation by David Fitzpatrick is a personal account of Irish Migration to Australia ( you never said where to when migrating ) ISBN 0--8014-8230-5 Emmigrants and Exiles Irealnd and the Irish exodus to North America Kerby A Miller By Jim Rees an Irish Author Surplus People -The Fitzwilliam Clearnances and Farewell to Famine All great reads depending on what you are seeking. Cheers for now Cara A Farewell to Famine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Marstrander" <donna@marstrander.com> To: <IRELAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:08 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Irish reading material > Do you know of any good books to read about Irish immigration. I have read > Frank McCourt books. > Thanks, > > -- > > Donna > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2003 - Release Date: 03/15/09 14:07:00

Can I add this book for those who went to Glasgow from Ireland post Famine; IRISH: THE REMARKABLE STORY OF A NATION AND A CITY Author John Burrows ISBN 1-84018-685-2 It gives incredibly moving detail of the condition of the people, how they travelled , and how they survived. Altogether a really informative book. Linda.

I know I am a few days late reading this, but I Google Image....Gillespie Famine Sculpture. You can feel their hunger and pain. > From: jeanrice@cet.com > To: ireland@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:21:36 -0700 > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Famine Sculptures - GILLESPIE (Dublin) and BEHAN (Mayo) > > Hi Mary - If you "google" the phrase Gillespie Famine Sculpture several hits > will come up including Wikipedia (the on-line free encyclopedia) which has a > really nice page with biography and photos you can click on to enlarge. > Perhaps other listers can come up with a website with his famine photos that > are include close-ups. > > Others include: > http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/irish-sculpture/rowan-gillespie.htm > > And: http://www.superstock.com/stock-photography/famine. You > can enlarge photos by clicking on the magnifying glass on the photos. > > ***An arresting memorial is the bronze sculpture of a famine ship located at > the foot of Croagh Patrick, in Murrisk, Westpoint, County Mayo, unveiled by > then-Irish President Mary ROBINSON in 1996. The ship's rigging is portrayed > as skeletal, phantom-like, famine refugees. This sculpture was designed by > Dublin-born (1938) sculptor John BEHAN. Check the Internet > for photos by "googling" Behan Famine Sculpture Murrisk. Jean. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> > To: <ireland@rootsweb.com>; <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Rowan GILLESPIE's Famine Sculpture,Custom House Quay > Dublin > > > > Hi Jean, > > Are there any photos online of this sculpture please? > > Kind regards, > > Mary > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> > > To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:12 PM > > Subject: [IRELAND] Rowan GILLESPIE's Famine Sculpture,Custom House Quay > > Dublin > > > > > >> SNIPPET: "Famine", Rowan GILLESPIE's moving sculpture in Dublin's Custom > >> House Quay commemorates those poor souls forced to emigrate during the > >> famine of the 19th century. <snip> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009

Hi bit late to wish happy st paddys day now ,But isnt it strange as a child growing up i was in the Orange lodge and no you could not have a catholic in the family My grandad was catholic oh but no one said any thing Till 1981 my mum was over here on holiday i asked my mum and thats when it came out i had a feeling because i would visit with my dad his aunt who was a caretaker in a catholic church ,,and my dads cousin would visit us and sunday mornings he took her to church never said which church ,, So been in Belfast for the bands marching on 12 july now god spares me i hope to be in Dublin for the 17th march parade i feel i belong to both my hubby and i celebrated both days 12 july for me and 17th march for him he to was Catholic but now it does not matter but years back it did , its the irish in all of us my late hubby and my Dads family ,,,Sylvia VERONICA HAGIN wrote: > Greetings to you all on this ST. PATRICK'S DAY! > > Veronica THORNTON Hagin > (...and from the MALONE side, too)! > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you ,,do we get the next chapter please sylvia Jean R. wrote: > SNIPPET: In her memoir of growing up in Attymass, Co. Mayo in the > 1930s-40s, Mrs. Marrie (FERGUSON) WALSH recalls her neighbors, siblings > Larry and Kitty D'ARCY: "The D'ARCY's house was once the most commodious > thatched dwelling in the locality. In my mother's younger days, she and > others from our village would be invited to the thriving and comfortable > home with its flower garden and orchard and roses trailing around the doors > and windows. The teachers from the local school used to lodge there and > would join in the evening's entertainment. The family was blessed with the > gift of music and played several instruments between them. Local folklore > told of an ancestor of the D'ARCY family who had helped a stranger who was > in trouble. As a reward, the stranger told him that he could have three > wishes for himself and his descendants. The ancestor wished to be musical, > to be fair of face and to have a sense of humour. Because he had not asked > for wealth, all three wishes were granted and his descendants were ever > blessed with these attributes. On the death of a member of the family, > music would be heard in the darkness of night playing around the house. > This music was so hauntingly sad that it would reach the innermost parts of > the heart. People said that it was fairy music, and that it must have been > a fairy who granted those wishes. Kitty and Larry D'ARCY (siblings) were > champion fiddle players and in later life, when most of Kitty's memories lay > dormant in her brain, her musical instincts would sometimes awaken and she > and Larry would sit outside their door and give their concerts. This was > usually in summer, and as the haunting melodies stole across the hills and > bogs and fields, people would come out of their houses to listen entranced > to this fairy music. Intermingling with the waters of the lakes, the hills > and valleys acting as a natural amplifier, this magical sounds would reach > our ears and add balm to our souls. It was truly God's concert and one of > the most treasured memories I have. Whenever I hear a fiddle being played I > remember these two people long gone from this earth, and that haunting music > comes streaming back across the years, reminding me of those happy childhood > days when we were allowed to wander at will among the villages. Kitty and > Larry had relatives in the area but they seldom visited, and some of the > immediate family had gone to seek their fortunes elsewhere. There was one > sister, Liza, who was working in a big house somewhere in another county. > She never married and would return every year for a holiday. Liza was > rather grand in speech and dress. She was the topic of conversation while > she was in the village and long after she had gone. We would have great fun > trying to talk posh like her ... She would also go for walks accompanied by > her pets on leashes - her little dog, 'Master Prim.' and a young pig, who > she generally addressed as 'Molly my Sweet.' ... > > The place that Kitty and Larry D'ARCY called home was situated on the flat, > high plateau above Slippy's hill. It commanded a view unparalleled for its > beauty anywhere. Standing at their front door, the eyes of the beholder > were dazzled with the scenery set out as if by an artist's hand. Nature had > indeed endowed this part of the countryside with a generous share of its > bounty: lakes to the right and left, rivers and hills and mountains and > dells, interspersed with sprinklings of whitewashed, thatched cottages. > Only the turf smoke gently issuing from the chimneys, reminded the onlooker > that this was not the enchanted land he or she might be imagining. Time > stood still in this once-happy home, especially for Kitty, as she had the > unfortunate experience of being left at the altar by her husband-to-be. The > man in question had disappeared the night before the wedding and emigrated > to England. He was never seen again. This sad episode left Kitty with her > mind gone astray. She was so traumatized by the event that she refused to > leave her home and was almost completely house-bound. Local people said > that she was once the prettiest girl in the neighbourhood, and indeed her > now-faded looks were a testimony to that fact. She rarely left her own > hearth and never encouraged anyone to visit. She would wash her hands > incessantly, especially when baking bread ... she conversed with invisible > people ... Larry went about his work seemingly never noticing any oddity > about his sister. He was now getting on in years so was not capable of > doing hard farm work. He let his land in con-acre (an eleven-month lease), > and our family usually renewed the lease year after year. The D'Arcy's > depended on this income, and we supplied them with some produce from their > land. Larry also sold eating apples from his well-stocked orchard, and woe > betide anyone caught stealing his precious fruit." -- Excerpts, "An Irish > Country Childhood, A Bygone Age Remembered," Marrie WALSH (Blake/London > 2004). > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

WHAT ARE OUTWARD FORMS? What are outward forms and shows, To an honest heart compared? Oft the rustic, wanting those, Has the nobler portion shared. Oft we see the homely flower, Bearing, at the hedge's side, Virtues of more sovereign power Than the garden's gayest pride. -- Isaac Bickerstaff (c. 1735-1812)

SNIPPET: In her memoir of growing up in Attymass, Co. Mayo in the 1930s-40s, Mrs. Marrie (FERGUSON) WALSH recalls her neighbors, siblings Larry and Kitty D'ARCY: "The D'ARCY's house was once the most commodious thatched dwelling in the locality. In my mother's younger days, she and others from our village would be invited to the thriving and comfortable home with its flower garden and orchard and roses trailing around the doors and windows. The teachers from the local school used to lodge there and would join in the evening's entertainment. The family was blessed with the gift of music and played several instruments between them. Local folklore told of an ancestor of the D'ARCY family who had helped a stranger who was in trouble. As a reward, the stranger told him that he could have three wishes for himself and his descendants. The ancestor wished to be musical, to be fair of face and to have a sense of humour. Because he had not asked for wealth, all three wishes were granted and his descendants were ever blessed with these attributes. On the death of a member of the family, music would be heard in the darkness of night playing around the house. This music was so hauntingly sad that it would reach the innermost parts of the heart. People said that it was fairy music, and that it must have been a fairy who granted those wishes. Kitty and Larry D'ARCY (siblings) were champion fiddle players and in later life, when most of Kitty's memories lay dormant in her brain, her musical instincts would sometimes awaken and she and Larry would sit outside their door and give their concerts. This was usually in summer, and as the haunting melodies stole across the hills and bogs and fields, people would come out of their houses to listen entranced to this fairy music. Intermingling with the waters of the lakes, the hills and valleys acting as a natural amplifier, this magical sounds would reach our ears and add balm to our souls. It was truly God's concert and one of the most treasured memories I have. Whenever I hear a fiddle being played I remember these two people long gone from this earth, and that haunting music comes streaming back across the years, reminding me of those happy childhood days when we were allowed to wander at will among the villages. Kitty and Larry had relatives in the area but they seldom visited, and some of the immediate family had gone to seek their fortunes elsewhere. There was one sister, Liza, who was working in a big house somewhere in another county. She never married and would return every year for a holiday. Liza was rather grand in speech and dress. She was the topic of conversation while she was in the village and long after she had gone. We would have great fun trying to talk posh like her ... She would also go for walks accompanied by her pets on leashes - her little dog, 'Master Prim.' and a young pig, who she generally addressed as 'Molly my Sweet.' ... The place that Kitty and Larry D'ARCY called home was situated on the flat, high plateau above Slippy's hill. It commanded a view unparalleled for its beauty anywhere. Standing at their front door, the eyes of the beholder were dazzled with the scenery set out as if by an artist's hand. Nature had indeed endowed this part of the countryside with a generous share of its bounty: lakes to the right and left, rivers and hills and mountains and dells, interspersed with sprinklings of whitewashed, thatched cottages. Only the turf smoke gently issuing from the chimneys, reminded the onlooker that this was not the enchanted land he or she might be imagining. Time stood still in this once-happy home, especially for Kitty, as she had the unfortunate experience of being left at the altar by her husband-to-be. The man in question had disappeared the night before the wedding and emigrated to England. He was never seen again. This sad episode left Kitty with her mind gone astray. She was so traumatized by the event that she refused to leave her home and was almost completely house-bound. Local people said that she was once the prettiest girl in the neighbourhood, and indeed her now-faded looks were a testimony to that fact. She rarely left her own hearth and never encouraged anyone to visit. She would wash her hands incessantly, especially when baking bread ... she conversed with invisible people ... Larry went about his work seemingly never noticing any oddity about his sister. He was now getting on in years so was not capable of doing hard farm work. He let his land in con-acre (an eleven-month lease), and our family usually renewed the lease year after year. The D'Arcy's depended on this income, and we supplied them with some produce from their land. Larry also sold eating apples from his well-stocked orchard, and woe betide anyone caught stealing his precious fruit." -- Excerpts, "An Irish Country Childhood, A Bygone Age Remembered," Marrie WALSH (Blake/London 2004).

Greetings to you all on this ST. PATRICK'S DAY! Veronica THORNTON Hagin (...and from the MALONE side, too)!

> > > I am trying to find records of my great great grandfather, JOHN > THORNTON (sawyer) > born County Galway 1799.He and his wife ANN THORNTON(HAMILTON/McMANUS) > left Ireland in the early 1830's. > > JOHN was buried in ORMSKIRK as a Roman Catholic in December 1839. > His wife ANN > died 14 days later (both of typhus fever)! So much for greener > pastures! > > My great grandfather JOHN THORNTON was born in Ormskirk, Lancashire > in 1830/31. > > JOHN'S three siblings MARY (1822), CORNELIUS (1825), JOSEPH(1828) > and CATHERINE > (1830) consistently give their place of birth as COUNTY GALWAY in > ALL England Census after > their arrival in England. > > I have no idea of how I might trace the origins of this family in > County Galway, Ireland. > Could you give me some pointers? > > Veronic Thornton Hagin > northern California > > > > >

Thank you Jean. Will check out Google for the Sculpture. Kind regards, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:21 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Famine Sculptures - GILLESPIE (Dublin) and BEHAN(Mayo) > Hi Mary - If you "google" the phrase Gillespie Famine Sculpture several > hits > will come up including Wikipedia (the on-line free encyclopedia) which has > a > really nice page with biography and photos you can click on to enlarge. > Perhaps other listers can come up with a website with his famine photos > that > are include close-ups. > > Others include: > http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/irish-sculpture/rowan-gillespie.htm > > And: http://www.superstock.com/stock-photography/famine. You > can enlarge photos by clicking on the magnifying glass on the photos. > > ***An arresting memorial is the bronze sculpture of a famine ship located > at > the foot of Croagh Patrick, in Murrisk, Westpoint, County Mayo, unveiled > by > then-Irish President Mary ROBINSON in 1996. The ship's rigging is > portrayed > as skeletal, phantom-like, famine refugees. This sculpture was designed by > Dublin-born (1938) sculptor John BEHAN. Check the Internet > for photos by "googling" Behan Famine Sculpture Murrisk. Jean. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> > To: <ireland@rootsweb.com>; <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:47 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Rowan GILLESPIE's Famine Sculpture,Custom House > Quay > Dublin > > >> Hi Jean, >> Are there any photos online of this sculpture please? >> Kind regards, >> Mary >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> >> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:12 PM >> Subject: [IRELAND] Rowan GILLESPIE's Famine Sculpture,Custom House Quay >> Dublin >> >> >>> SNIPPET: "Famine", Rowan GILLESPIE's moving sculpture in Dublin's Custom >>> House Quay commemorates those poor souls forced to emigrate during the >>> famine of the 19th century. <snip> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

While we were in Ireland we saw lots of places were these poor folks lived ,Sad they had it renenacted of course but yes not nice ,How they lived and died i read a book and for the life of me i can not remember its name ,It was about an irish girl she had lost her hubby and tryin her best to bring i think it was about 7 children and 5 died threw the first couple of years but her plan was take the two left and herself to America and yes she did ,I Have read lots of books on folks comeing from Ireland to Liverpool ,,,Theres a statue erected there of Irish emigrants leaveing to go to America down at the Pier head and for the few times i have had the chance to go back to Liverpool i didnt know about it ,Till i was told so we went down and found it How many times i must have walked not far from it ,,To bad that we can not send pics ,because i think this was a great honor bestowed to these gorageous people, Sylvia Jo Dell Carlson wrote: > I know I am a few days late reading this, but I Google Image....Gillespie Famine Sculpture. You can feel their hunger and pain. > > > > >> From: jeanrice@cet.com >> To: ireland@rootsweb.com >> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:21:36 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Famine Sculptures - GILLESPIE (Dublin) and BEHAN (Mayo) >> >> Hi Mary - If you "google" the phrase Gillespie Famine Sculpture several hits >> will come up including Wikipedia (the on-line free encyclopedia) which has a >> really nice page with biography and photos you can click on to enlarge. >> Perhaps other listers can come up with a website with his famine photos that >> are include close-ups. >> >> Others include: >> http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/irish-sculpture/rowan-gillespie.htm >> >> And: http://www.superstock.com/stock-photography/famine. You >> can enlarge photos by clicking on the magnifying glass on the photos. >> >> ***An arresting memorial is the bronze sculpture of a famine ship located at >> the foot of Croagh Patrick, in Murrisk, Westpoint, County Mayo, unveiled by >> then-Irish President Mary ROBINSON in 1996. The ship's rigging is portrayed >> as skeletal, phantom-like, famine refugees. This sculpture was designed by >> Dublin-born (1938) sculptor John BEHAN. Check the Internet >> for photos by "googling" Behan Famine Sculpture Murrisk. Jean. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Mizzi" <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> >> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com>; <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:47 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Rowan GILLESPIE's Famine Sculpture,Custom House Quay >> Dublin >> >> >> >>> Hi Jean, >>> Are there any photos online of this sculpture please? >>> Kind regards, >>> Mary >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> >>> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:12 PM >>> Subject: [IRELAND] Rowan GILLESPIE's Famine Sculpture,Custom House Quay >>> Dublin >>> >>> >>> >>>> SNIPPET: "Famine", Rowan GILLESPIE's moving sculpture in Dublin's Custom >>>> House Quay commemorates those poor souls forced to emigrate during the >>>> famine of the 19th century. <snip> >>>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live™ Groups: Create an online spot for your favorite groups to meet. > http://windowslive.com/online/groups?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_groups_032009 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Jean - I've worked for George Fox for only 12 years - You mentioned Ralph Beebe - his wife worked in our department and in fact I took her place when she retired. Very small world. I would think that Newberg Friends Church would have links to books and historical information. Kathryn Kathryn Becker Financial Affairs George Fox University 414 N. Meridian Newberg, OR 97132 503-554-2166 kbecker@georgefox.edu -----Original Message----- From: ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jean R. Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:21 AM To: ireland@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] re your Newberg, OR Quaker connection,Kathryn -- Nora Sullivan 1869 Hi Kathryn - Happy St. Pat's Day to you, too!!! Your being connected to George Fox College in Newberg, OR, really caught my attention. Have you been part of that community for generations? I have a beloved Quaker former mother-in-law, Mrs. Marjorie Eunice (Lewis) Simmons born 9 March 1913 in North Newberg (Yamhill Co.) OR, whose ancestors were said to have played an important role in the establishment of George Fox College, which I would like to verify. Apparently one of their Quaker friends who belonged to the Society of Friends Church in Eugene, OR, in the 1950s, Ralph Beebe, wrote a history of the Newberg Friend's Church? Are you familiar with it? Any church literature you would recommend? Marjorie's parents were Eula Idell Hodson and Russell William Lewis. Eula's father was Aaron Thomas Hodson who married Nancy Elizabeth Tuell. Nancy left Thomas and later married Bert Clark. I believe Russell Lewis was a professor at George Fox College around 1920. Marjorie Lewis attended a Pacific College (there?) and then George Fox University, married Winfred George ("Pete") Simmons where they attended Friends College in Wichita, KS. They lived for sevearl years in Rose Hill (Butler Co.) KS and attended a local Quaker Church there. Many family members are buried in that Quaker churchyard in Rose Hill, just across the border from Wichita. Winfred George Simmons' father was William Henry Simmons from North Carolina and his mother was Dora Cox, whose father, William, was a Quaker preacher. Per family lore, in earlier generations Mary Folger married Henry Mills, left IN for Newberg, OR and their daughter was Marietta E. Mills from IL (her father from North Carolina and her mother from Nantucket Island?). Marietta (who is our line for sure) apparently married Levi Ellis Lewis. **** Family lore makes a connection to the whaling trade and Quaker Starbucks and Folgers of Nantucket Island in the 1700s, the story of which can be found in Nathaniel Philbrook's "In The Heart Of The Sea," but I have been unable to prove this, although my former mother-in-law, Marjorie (Lewis) Simmons swears the family had a whale vertebrae from earlier generations that was used as a foot rest .... Anything ring a bell? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Becker" <kbecker@georgefox.edu> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Nora Sullivan 1869 > Happy St. Patrick's day to you! Thank you for the information- I will > check it out. > Kathryn > > Kathryn Becker > Financial Affairs > George Fox University > 414 N. Meridian > Newberg, OR 97132 > 503-554-2166 > kbecker@georgefox.edu > -----Original Message----- > From: ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of hiflyte > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:45 PM > To: ireland@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Nora Sullivan 1869 > > Maybe these will help, not sure if the data is the correct family but a > start. Gives you the film number to look for at your FHC > > Bob > Cdn > ----------------------------------------------------------- > SULLIVAN, Norah Birth > Gender: Female > Birth Date: 20 Aug 1873 Birthplace: Skibbereen, Cork, Ire > Recorded in: Cork, Ireland > Collection: Civil Registration > Father: Denis SULLIVAN > Mother: Eliza REGAN > Source: FHL Film 255887 Dates: 1873 - 1874 > ------------------------------- > SULLIVAN, Margaret Birth > Gender: Female > Birth Date: 18 Sep 1875 Birthplace: Skibbereen, Cork, Ire > Recorded in: Cork, Ireland > Collection: Civil Registration > Father: Denis Sullivan > Mother: Eliza Regan > Source: FHL Film 255943 Dates: 1875 - 1875 > ==================================================== > > Kathryn Becker wrote:<SNIP>...Looking for my ggrandmother, Nora Sullivan > > (born aprox. 1869 OR 1874) in Cork. She and her sister, Elizabeth > =============================================== > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: > 3/16/2009 7:04 AM > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jean, we have corresponded before. My grandparents and their children were Quakers and lived in Chehalem Center, (suburb of Newberg) from about 1920 until the mid 1950's. My mother, Helen Carter, her sisters Edna, Wanda and Faye all attended Newberg High school, and also her brother Richard. I have a scrap book Nana put together of newspaper clippings and stories about the family and a lot of other Quaker families in the area. I have begun to put some of these articles online in the Quaker website- listed as, I believe, Nana's scrapbook in the archives. When I get some time I will try to look and see if any of these names are mentioned. I will be making a trip to Spokane this early summer ( I seem to remember you live there) My memory may have failed me, but if you do live there, I will bring the scrapbook for you to look thru if you are interested. When I lived in Bend, Ore, I traveled to George Fox College and spent many hours copying the Carter, Mendenhall, etc family notations in the Hinshaw books. That was years ago and I have copies of all the books except Vol 3. But I do have the CD. Such a small world. Joan Whitney on the sunny but cold southern Washington State coast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] re your Newberg, OR Quaker connection,Kathryn -- Nora Sullivan 1869 > Hi Kathryn - Happy St. Pat's Day to you, too!!! Your being connected to > George Fox College in Newberg, OR, really caught my attention. Have you > been part of that community for generations? I have a beloved Quaker > former > mother-in-law, Mrs. Marjorie Eunice (Lewis) Simmons born 9 March 1913 in > North Newberg (Yamhill Co.) OR, whose ancestors were said to have played > an > important role in the establishment of George Fox College, which I would > like to verify. Apparently one of their Quaker friends who belonged to > the > Society of Friends Church in Eugene, OR, in the 1950s, Ralph Beebe, wrote > a > history of the Newberg Friend's Church? Are you familiar with it? Any > church literature you would recommend? > > Marjorie's parents were Eula Idell Hodson and Russell William Lewis. > Eula's > father was Aaron Thomas Hodson who married Nancy Elizabeth Tuell. Nancy > left Thomas and later married Bert Clark. I believe Russell Lewis was a > professor at George Fox College around 1920. > > Marjorie Lewis attended a Pacific College (there?) and then George Fox > University, married Winfred George ("Pete") Simmons where they attended > Friends College in Wichita, KS. They lived for sevearl years in Rose Hill > (Butler Co.) KS and attended a local Quaker Church there. Many family > members are buried in that Quaker churchyard in Rose Hill, just across the > border from Wichita. Winfred George Simmons' father was William Henry > Simmons from North Carolina and his mother was Dora Cox, whose father, > William, was a Quaker preacher. > > Per family lore, in earlier generations Mary Folger married Henry Mills, > left IN for Newberg, OR and their daughter was Marietta E. Mills from IL > (her father from North Carolina and her mother from Nantucket Island?). > Marietta (who is our line for sure) apparently married Levi Ellis Lewis. > > **** Family lore makes a connection to the whaling trade and Quaker > Starbucks and Folgers of Nantucket Island in the 1700s, the story of which > can be found in Nathaniel Philbrook's "In The Heart Of The Sea," but I > have > been unable to prove this, although my former mother-in-law, Marjorie > (Lewis) Simmons swears the family had a whale vertebrae from earlier > generations that was used as a foot rest .... > > Anything ring a bell? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathryn Becker" <kbecker@georgefox.edu> > To: <ireland@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:06 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Nora Sullivan 1869 > > >> Happy St. Patrick's day to you! Thank you for the information- I will >> check it out. >> Kathryn >> >> Kathryn Becker >> Financial Affairs >> George Fox University >> 414 N. Meridian >> Newberg, OR 97132 >> 503-554-2166 >> kbecker@georgefox.edu >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ireland-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of hiflyte >> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:45 PM >> To: ireland@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Nora Sullivan 1869 >> >> Maybe these will help, not sure if the data is the correct family but a >> start. Gives you the film number to look for at your FHC >> >> Bob >> Cdn >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> SULLIVAN, Norah Birth >> Gender: Female >> Birth Date: 20 Aug 1873 Birthplace: Skibbereen, Cork, Ire >> Recorded in: Cork, Ireland >> Collection: Civil Registration >> Father: Denis SULLIVAN >> Mother: Eliza REGAN >> Source: FHL Film 255887 Dates: 1873 - 1874 >> ------------------------------- >> SULLIVAN, Margaret Birth >> Gender: Female >> Birth Date: 18 Sep 1875 Birthplace: Skibbereen, Cork, Ire >> Recorded in: Cork, Ireland >> Collection: Civil Registration >> Father: Denis Sullivan >> Mother: Eliza Regan >> Source: FHL Film 255943 Dates: 1875 - 1875 >> ==================================================== >> >> Kathryn Becker wrote:<SNIP>...Looking for my ggrandmother, Nora Sullivan >> >> (born aprox. 1869 OR 1874) in Cork. She and her sister, Elizabeth >> =============================================== >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: >> 3/16/2009 7:04 AM >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >