I had ordered the records in July of this year. That was the response they gave me. Beth

There seems to be confusion

Family History Library in Salt Lake City has filmed the Catholic parish records. However, when I ordered some, I received a notice that they were restricted and would not send them out to the Family History Centers This must be something new as a friend who lives in Florida was able to find my mothers baptism records, at a Family Center - Keelogues Parish, Mayo .. ALso my aunt's .. MaryPat

Below is the URL for Catholic Records availability in Ireland. Many of the RC dioceses have restricted access to their records. I believe some have not allowed anyone to see the data except Professional researchers. http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/index.htm Bob ========================================= Mary Elizabeth Wagner wrote: > It has been my experience the restrictions vary >from the dioceses in Ireland. I have been able to >access RC Church records from my local LDS for Co. >Kilkenny (Diocese of Ossory), but have been unable to >obtain any records for another family line in Co. >Antrim (Diocese of Down and Connor). > >

Family History Library in Salt Lake City has filmed the Catholic parish records. However, when I ordered some, I received a notice that they were restricted and would not send them out to the Family History Centers. I think the only way you can get them is through the Irish Heritage Centres in Ireland, for a fee. Also, the genealogyforum.org is having open house this week. There will be many talks on Irish records. Go to www.genealogyforum.org for the schedule. Beth

It has been my experience the restrictions vary from the dioceses in Ireland. I have been able to access RC Church records from my local LDS for Co. Kilkenny (Diocese of Ossory), but have been unable to obtain any records for another family line in Co. Antrim (Diocese of Down and Connor). Mary Elizabeth RESEARCHING: McKERNAN/McKIERNAN in Co. Antrim and Co. Leitrim; McALLISTER in Co. Antrim; MULDOWNEY in Co. Kilkenny; and KEARNEY in Co. Louth --- CMARYPATC@aol.com wrote: > > Family History Library in Salt Lake City has filmed > the Catholic parish > records. However, when I ordered some, I received > a notice that they were > restricted and would not send them out to the Family > History Centers > > > > > This must be something new as a friend who lives in > Florida was able to find > my mothers baptism records, at a Family Center - > Keelogues Parish, Mayo .. > ALso my aunt's .. > > MaryPat > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, > links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your > subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > > __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/

Hello Sheila - My gr-gr-grandfather, James Ryan, of Dromalta townland, Cappamore Parish Co Limerick, was an ardent supporter of Daniel O'Connell, according to family records, and visited him in prison in Dublin. Do you know whether any record was kept of Dan's visitors while incarcerated? Queries at the National Libary haven't gotten me anywhere. Thank you, Nancy Peregrine Sheila Taipale <sheiladay@cox.net> wrote: Hello O'Connell cousins! Here again is the website for "The O'Connell Family Tracts, 1, 2, & 3" by Basil Morgan O'Connell. These pamphlets record descendents of Daniel O'CONNELL, the Liberator, their marriages, children, etc. to about 1950. There is an index for each pamphlet which gives all the surnames of these relations. http://www.irish-cottage.net/oconnell/index.htm In addition, for a more detailed and complete history of his immediate family, read "The World of Mary O'Connell, 1778-1836, by Erin I. Bishop. She includes at least one child, if I remember correctly, who is not shown in the O'Connell Family Tracts. It is a fascinating study of social and domestic life in Ireland in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Good luck hunting - if you find you are related in any way, please email me off list, because you will probably be a cousin of mine! Daniel O'Connell was my grandfather's gr grandfather, and Mary O'Connell, of course, was his gr grandmother. Sheila O'Connell Taipale sheiladay@cox.net PS: I posted the Tracts with the permission of the family of Basil Morgan O'Connell, the author. ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

I know of no one but the General Records Office (GRO) to have Irish Civil Records post 1864 and sacramental records pre 1864 are with the various parish churches/Heritage Centers but are not complete records. You can order microfiche from your local LDS for a minimal fee if you know the parish, county, townland, etc. Many people on the list have the film numbers for ones they have utilized and the LDS site has an index with the correct numbers for you to order. Not sure of the timeline or place in the Republic or Northern Ireland you want. Unless it was recent, I was not aware Ancestry even had access to an index of the Irish Civil or available sacramental records. I dropped it a few months back. Mary Ellen Chambers mbh99@comcast.net wrote: Hello. Can someone please, tell me if Ancestry.com has birth records for Ireland, not just the indexes? Thank you. Mary Beth ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

THE WOMAN OF THE HOUSE (In memory of his grandmother Lucy Mary Ormsby whose home was in the west of Ireland 1873-1958). On a patrician evening in Ireland I was born in the guest-room: she delivered me. May I deliver her from the cold hand Where now she lies, with a brief elegy? It was her house where we spent holidays, With candles to bed, and ghostly stories: In the lake of her heart we were islands Where the wild asses galloped in the wind. Her mind was a vague and log-warmed yarn Spun between sleep and acts of kindliness: She fed our feelings as dew feeds the grass On April nights, and our mornings were green: And those happy days, when in spite of rain We'd motor west where the salmon-boats tossed, She would sketch on the pier among the pots Waves in a sunset, or the rising moon. Indian-meal porridge and brown soda-bread, Boiled eggs and buttermilk, honey from gorse, Far more than we wanted she always offered In a heart-surfeit; she ate little herself. Mistress of mossy acres and unpaid rent, She crossed the walls on foot to feed the sick: Though frugal cousins frowned on all she spent People had faith in her healing talent. She bandaged the wounds that poverty caused In the house that famine labourers built, Gave her hands to cure impossible wrong In a useless way, and was loved for it. Hers were the fruits of a family tree: A china clock, the Church's calendar, Gardeners polite, governesses plenty, And incomes waiting to be married for. How the feckless fun would flicker her face Reading our future by cards at the fire, Rings and elopements, love-letters, old lace, A signet of jokes to seal our desire. "It was sad about Maud, poor Maud!" she'd sigh, To think of a friend she lured and teased Till she married the butler. "Starved to death, No service either by padre or priest." Cholera raged in the Residency; "They kept my uncle alive on port." Which saved him to slaughter a few sepoys And retire to Galway in search of sport. The pistol that lost an ancestor's duel, The hoof of the horse that carried him home To be stretched on chairs in the drawing-room, Hung by the Rangoon prints and the Crimean medal. Lever and Lover, Somerville and Ross Have fed the same worm as Blackstone and Gibbon, The mildew has spotted "Clarissa"'s spine And soiled the "Despatches of Wellington." Beside her bed lay an old Bible that Her Colonel Rector husband used to read, And a new "Writers' and Artists' Year-book" To bring a never-printed girlhood back. The undeveloped thoughts died in her head, But from her heart, through the people she loved Images spread, and intuitions lived, More than the mere sense of what she said. At last, her warmth made ashes of the trees Ancestors planted, and she was removed To hospital to die there, certified. Her house, but not her kindness, has found heirs. Compulsory comforts penned her limping soul: With all she uttered they smiled and agreed. When she summoned the chauffeur, no one obeyed, But a chrome hearse was ready for nightfall. "Order the car for nine o'clock tonight! I must get back, get back. They're expecting me. I'll bring the spiced beef and the nuts and fruit. Come home and I'll brew you lime-flower tea!" "The house in flames and nothing is insured! Send for the doctor, let the horses go. The dogs are barking again. Has the cow Calved in the night? What is that great singed bird?" "I don't know who you are, but you've kind eyes. My children are abroad and I'm alone. They left me in this gaol. You all tell lies. You're not my people. My people have gone." Now she's spent everything: the golden waste Is washed away, silent her heart's hammer. The children overseas no longer need her, They are like aftergrass to her harvest. People she loved were those who worked the land Whom the land satisfied more than wisdom: They've gone, a tractor ploughs where horses strained. Sometimes sheep occupy their roofless room. Through our inheritance all things have come, The form, the means, all by our family: The good of being alive was given through them, We ourselves limit that legacy. The bards in their beds once beat our ballads Under leaky thatch listening to sea-birds, But she in the long ascendancy of rain Served biscuits on a tray with ginger wine. Time can never relax like this again, She in her phaeton looking for folk-lore, He writing sermons in the library Till lunch, then fishing all the afternoon. On a wet winter evening in Ireland I let go her hand, and we buried her In the family earth beside her husband Only to think of her, now warms my mind. -- Richard Murphy

SNIPPET: Richard Lovett, an English Victorian traveller, took a leisurely and enthusiastic tour of the whole of Ireland by steamer, train, carriage and foot, and his observations were first published in 1888 by the Religious Tract Society. "A short walk through a very unsavoury neighbourhood brings the visitor from Christ Church to the Liffey, and immediately before him on the north bank he sees another noted structure - the Four Courts of Dublin, one of the most imposing buildings in the city, and one which, unlike some of the others, has remained true throughout its history to the objects for which it was built. It occupies an oblong, having a frontage on the river of 440 feet. The foundation stone was laid in 1786, it was opened for business in 1797, and it cost about 200,000 pounds. It consists of a central block of building, surmounted by a circular lantern and dome, one of the landmarks of the metropolis. This building is flanked by squares connected with each other and with the main entrance by arcades. Each angle of the main building is occupied by one of the superior courts, viz., Chancery, Queen's Bench, Common Pleas, and Exchequer, whence the name of the pile. The centre under the dome is left! free for the meetings of lawyers and clients, and all who have business there, or who are drawn thither by curiosity. A description written fifty years ago applies to it to-day: 'The handsome and towering dome lights the great hall of the Courts, an object of just admiration from its chaste and lofty appearance and proportions. During term time it was crowded with lawyers and pickpockets, strangers and stragglers, the fleeced and the fleecing, the hopeful and the hopeless, the anxious and the careless. At such a period of bustle, a visitor, as a Picture of Dublin benevolently forewarns him, 'should look to his pockets.' In the neighborhood of the splendid square known as Stephen's Green, and of Kildare Street, many of the scientific institutions of Dublin, first-class clubs and hotels cluster together. The Royal Dublin Society, the Museum of Science and Art, the National Gallery of Ireland, and the Royal Irish Academy are in this region. Not long after this book is in the hands of its readers, the handsome and extensive buildings of the New National Museum will be complete, affording room to display many treasures at present inaccessible to the public. Each of the great institutions mentioned above is well worthy of careful attention. It is no disparagement, however, to the rest to say that upon the attention of the stranger the Museum and the Library of the Royal Irish Academy have paramount claims. This Society was incorporated in 1786 for the study of science, polite literature, and Irish antiquities, and very skilfully and thoroughly have these objects been accomplished, although even more might have been done could they have controlled larger funds. The museum contains a marvellously varied and rich collection of specimens of Irish art, from the earliest period down to comparatively recent date. Naturally the most interesting objects are those either entirely or almost entirely peculiar to Ireland. And among these what are known as "cumdachs," or book shrines, hold perhaps the chief place. They are rarely met with except in Ireland, and have played no unimportant part in past days. They, like the famous bell shrines, came into existence as the outcome of the reverential affection manifested towards the chief Irish teachers, such as Patrick, Columba, and Molaise by their successors. The old book, the familiar companion of the early missionary, was untouched; bu! t all that wealth and and skill could do was lavished upon the production of a box or shrine in which to preserve so precious a relic. In some cases this box was hermetically sealed, and no superstition was stronger or more universal than the belief that the opening of such a box would be followed by the direst misfortune."

Dear Listers, I am trying to find information about my ggGrandfather John HAIRE in Ireland such as: Where he was born, where he lived and some details about his Irish family. At some point he moved to Gibraltar where he married and raised a family. According to a 1791 List of Gibraltar Inhabitants he was born in 1751/52. He had then five children the eldest being nine years old. My gGrandfather William HAIRE was born in in Gibraltar 1796. I do have a good knowledge of John HAIRE's descendants but basically nothing about his roots in Ireland. I came across a 1777 Gibraltar Inhabitants List which included 'The HAIRES of Kerry Blanchley' who seemingly kept a dwelling house and storerehouse there. This could be clue regarding the HAIRE family in Ireland at that time but I am not able to find a place named Blanchley listed anywhere. Would appreciate any information or suggestions. Thanks! Sydney MATHEWS, sydmathews@hotmail.com

Thank you Judy. Best wishes. Bob

Thanks David I was asking for a friend, she has some info, I'll pass it on I'm not sure of all the details she has, she didn't tell me his father sname so maybe she doesn't have that info thanks again Jen > David Mangan <dalmaks@hwy.com.au> wrote: > 'Jen' was looking for information about Patrick Jones. I have the following; JONES PATRICK married WALSH MARGARET in TAMWORTH district 1880. The following may be also be him, JONES PATRICK died 1934 TAMWORTH father MICHAEL mother MARGARET Hope this helps David ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

'Jen' was looking for information about Patrick Jones. I have the following; JONES PATRICK married WALSH MARGARET in TAMWORTH district 1880. The following may be also be him, JONES PATRICK died 1934 TAMWORTH father MICHAEL mother MARGARET Hope this helps David

Good for you! I did some checking for you today and found something that MAY be helpful (or more confusing as these things tend to end up). I was looking for Daniel O'BYRNE in Antrim Co. (not found) when I found that there were a lot of McBRIDES in Antrim at this time, especially Ballycastle. As I can't see what sources you are getting your information from, and you seem unsure of it, you might want to think about this. Also, no McBRIDES in Limerick, but this is not meaningful as Limerick is probably the worst Co. to try and find information. Just my luck, as this is where my ancestors are from. Keep digging - skeletons can be found in the closet (I found one!) David

Bob, Sorry nothing regarding their marriage on this cd. Judy

Hello O'Connell cousins! Here again is the website for "The O'Connell Family Tracts, 1, 2, & 3" by Basil Morgan O'Connell. These pamphlets record descendents of Daniel O'CONNELL, the Liberator, their marriages, children, etc. to about 1950. There is an index for each pamphlet which gives all the surnames of these relations. http://www.irish-cottage.net/oconnell/index.htm In addition, for a more detailed and complete history of his immediate family, read "The World of Mary O'Connell, 1778-1836, by Erin I. Bishop. She includes at least one child, if I remember correctly, who is not shown in the O'Connell Family Tracts. It is a fascinating study of social and domestic life in Ireland in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Good luck hunting - if you find you are related in any way, please email me off list, because you will probably be a cousin of mine! Daniel O'Connell was my grandfather's gr grandfather, and Mary O'Connell, of course, was his gr grandmother. Sheila O'Connell Taipale sheiladay@cox.net PS: I posted the Tracts with the permission of the family of Basil Morgan O'Connell, the author.

Here in South Australia we have cemetery trusts who do the same thing. They are destroying historic cemeteries to make way for new ones, smashing the stones for gravel, and selling old stones to monumental masons to be worked over for new people. Now this is disgusting. Rhonda Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Cemeteries > Hi Richard; > > I have just finished posting a message about a web site for St. Columban, > Quebec, Canada at http://www.stcolumban-irish.com/ , when your post arrived > about cemeteries. > > On my site you will see a Cemetery Restoration project since we just > recently discovered a number of broken tombstones simply discarded in the > "bush" behind the Church. > > It is a real shame that so many old cemeteries have been treated so poorly > and the last markers of many pioneers completely ignored. > > In our case, we are trying to set up a little committee of researchers and > have been sending letters of protest to everyone we can think of. > > Hopefully we'll be able to restore, and protect our little cemetery for > future generations. > > Take Care > > Fergus Keyes > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Murray" <richie@reach.net> > To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:00 AM > Subject: [IRELAND] Cemeteries > > > > Hello List, > > I have recently received a copy of "CEMETERIES OF ALBERT COUNTY" compiled > > by David F. Christopher. It is a very informative text with hundreds of > > burials listed. > > Mr. Christopher lists 91 cemeteries, from 0 graves transcribed, to a high > > of 1,438. > > For those on this list that have never seen a copy of this work, I would > > like to share with you, some of the author's comments; > > > > Cemetery #1 - ALBERT KEIVER > > "Cattle have been allowed to knock over and break the stones. All stones > > are on the ground as of 1985". > > #7 BALTIMORE > > "Upwards of 20 stones were smashed in the summer of 1986" > > #57 New Horton > > "This cemetery was transcribed by Dawn Kinnie in 1982 and subsequently > > destroyed by the local land owner while lumbering. Trees were felled on > > the stones and equipment driven through the cemetery. In 1985 not half the > > stones could be found. May those responsible for this desecration go > > straight to hell in a hand basket. Two or three of the stones have been > > moved from here to #53 by Mr. James West to save them from destruction". > > #60 NEW IRELAND ANGLICAN > > "According to Emerson Copp, a very elderly resident of the New Ireland > > Road in 1985, the stones in this cemetery disappeared prior to 1948. > > Apparently, the custodian of a sports lodge in the area used the stones to > > pave a walkway". > > #88 UPPER GOSHEN > > "Another cemetery destroyed by a lumberman who obviously has little > > respect for the dead and cares less for his heritage". > > > > The foregoing is a small example of the repugnant attitudes of too many > > people, where our heritage is concerned. I realize that all vandalism > > cannot be stopped. However, where the perpetrators are obvious, are there > > no laws in New Brunswick to prosecute these felons? > > I would like to echo the thoughts of the author, regarding handbaskets. > > > > Richard Murray > > Ontario > > > > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup > > volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > > > > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.0/132 - Release Date: 13/10/05 > >

Hi, My g-grandfather was a BARNETT, had red hair, as do I, and is said he was Irish. His wife was a McMURRY. I'm trying to find out any information that I can on the BARNETTs and McMURRYs of Ireland, as where did the names originate, what areas are the names most prominent, variations in spelling, and associations with other Irish families or clans. Thanks, Don Byars, an Irish descendant, America --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

Hello. I am trying to find the marriage for a William Langley and a Mary Tannian/Tannyan around 1845 in Galway, Any help would be appreciated. Bob