Jean at jeanrice@cet.com writes: << There is a reference book in your genealogy library by Brian MITCHELL, "Guide to Ireland Graveyards and Cemeteries." As I recall, it tells exactly what sites of burial are to be found in each Irish county, townland, and whether or not they are connected with a particular church. Directions to same are given. >> Jean, I believe you are referring to "A Guide to Irish Churches and Graveyards" (unless he has written another book I don't know about). Unfortunately, Mitchell seems to use the three terms synonymously throughout the book's introduction. Even the Key to the entries states: "In the graveyard column are identified all graveyards, burial grounds or cemeteries. If the graveyard symbol is on the same line as the church symbol then the graveyard is attached to that church." So it appears that he doesn't differentiate, either. Incidentally, I have found several "graveyards" missing from his book, so it's not perfect <gr>. But it's certainly a great book to have - I use it daily. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Never gave this much thought before, but guess I would never say put my old car in the cemetery In looking via Google found a couple of interesting sites: Sure is interesting when one Googles on a subject and what pops up!!! http://politicalgraveyard.com/ http://www.potifos.com/cemeteries.html Noted the dictionary meaning of each Both are cemeteries but graveyard also includes old object Bob Cdn. ------------------------------------- grave·yard /n./ *1. * A burial ground; a cemetery. *2. * A place where worn-out or obsolete equipment or objects are kept: an automobile graveyard. ------------- cem·e·ter·y /n./ /pl./ *cem·e·ter·ies* A place for burying the dead; a graveyard. ===================================== PeteScherm@aol.com wrote:<SNIP> >For years, I have been using these terms interchangeably (the dictionary >doesn't seem to differentiate amongst them), but yesterday I noticed a sentence in >an article in the Journal of Irish Archaeology which made me question that. > >

THE BANSHEE Green, in the wizard arms Of the foam-bearded Atlantic, An isle of old enchantment, A melancholy isle, Enchanted and dreaming lies; And there, by Shannon's flowing, In the moonlight, spectre-thin, The spectre Erin sits. An aged desolation, She sits by old Shannon's flowing, A mother of many children, Of children exiled and dead, In her home, with bent head, homeless, Clasping her knees she sits, Keening, keening! And at her keen the fairy-grass Trembles on dun and barrow; Around the foot of her ancient crosses The grave-grass shakes and the nettle swings; In haunted glens the meadow-sweet Flings to the night wind Her mystic mournful perfume; The sad spearmint by holy wells Breathes melancholy balm. Sometimes she lifts her head, With blue eyes tearless, And gazes athwart the reek of night Upon things long past, Upon things to come. And sometimes, when the moon Brings tempest upon the deep, And roused Atlantic thunders from his caverns in the west, The wolfhound at her feet Springs up with a mighty bay, And chords of mystery sound from the wild harp at her side, Strung from the heart of poets; And she flies on the wings of tempest With grey hair streaming: A meteor of evil omen, The spectre of hope forlorn, Keening, keening! She keens, and the strings of her wild harp shiver On the gusts of night: O'er the four waters she keens -- over Moyle she keens, O'er the Sea of Milith, and the Strait of Strongbow, And the Ocean of Columbus. And the Fianna hear, and the ghosts of her cloudy hovering heroes; And the swan, Fianoula, wails o'er the waters of Inisfail, Chanting her song of destiny, The rune of the weaving Fates. And the nations hear in the void and quaking time of night, Sad unto dawning, dirges, Solemn dirges, And snatches of bardic song; Their souls quake in the void and quaking time of night, And they dream of the weird of kings, And tyrannies moulting, sick In the dreadful wind of change. Wail no more, lonely one, mother of exiles, wail no more, Banshee of the world -- no more! Thy sorrows are the world's, thou art no more alone; Thy wrongs, the world's. -- John Todhunter

There is a reference book in your genealogy library by Brian MITCHELL, "Guide to Ireland Graveyards and Cemeteries." As I recall, it tells exactly what sites of burial are to be found in each Irish county, townland, and whether or not they are connected with a particular church. Directions to same are given. Many Irish Heritage Centers have transcribed tombstones. Check out the Irish Ancestors/Cemetery Records page at the Irish Times website at www.ireland.com. Click on Ancestors. There are some pages includin one called "Saving Graves." The website's main page reveals that 'The Association for the Preservation of the Memorials of the Dead' began publishing its Journal in 1888. Over the next 47 years of its existence (1888-1934), the journal published a huge volume of inscriptions, many of which have since been destroyed. A composite index to surnames and places for the first 20 years of publication was published in 1910. The remaining volumes have their own indices. Is anyone familiar with this resource? I would think the families of some means would have headstones unless a family later erected a tombstone to honor one of the famine dead. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <PeteScherm@aol.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:58 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Cemeteries, Graveyards and Burial Grounds Pete wrote: > For years, I have been using these terms interchangeably (the dictionary > doesn't seem to differentiate amongst them), but yesterday I noticed a sentence in > an article in the Journal of Irish Archaeology which made me question that. > The essay deals with "Irish gravestones as a material form of genealogy" > (duhhhh). But this sentence surprised me: "Theft of statuary and other elements > of stonework, often for resale as garden ornaments, is also known, and whilst > it is most frequently noted by cemetery managers, it occurs at graveyards also." > > The article, on "Artefact biography", is by Harold Mytum and is on pp. > 111-127, Volumes XII and XIII, 2003-2004. > > Any comments?

I agree with the previous two comments: Cemetery - Independent place of burial not connected with a particular church or family. Graveyard - burial site surrounding a church. While I was growing up I attended a very small parochial school. Our playground was the old "graveyard" with it's broken stones and long grass. We never called it a cemetery. Pity it was never taken care of. Now all known stones/burials have been moved to a cemetery and some of those persons long forgotten. I have researched and tried to find all known burials from newspaper accounts and death records. Strangely enough my husband's great grandfather was amongst them. Burial Ground - connected with a particular ethnic group or a family.. Here in the midwest there are a lot of burial grounds on old family homesteads. Cathy

Ever hear of the guy who was buried in his classic car? It happens. Donal O'Còllàùgh O'Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "hiflyte" <hiflyte@telus.net> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Cemeteries, Graveyards and Burial Grounds > Never gave this much thought before, but guess I would never say put my > old car in the cemetery > > In looking via Google found a couple of interesting sites: Sure is > interesting when one Googles on a subject and what pops up!!! > http://politicalgraveyard.com/ > http://www.potifos.com/cemeteries.html > > > Noted the dictionary meaning of each > > Both are cemeteries but graveyard also includes old object > > Bob > Cdn. > ------------------------------------- > grave·yard > /n./ > *1. * A burial ground; a cemetery. > *2. * A place where worn-out or obsolete equipment or objects are kept: an > automobile graveyard. > ------------- > cem·e·ter·y > /n./ /pl./ *cem·e·ter·ies* > A place for burying the dead; a graveyard. > > ===================================== > PeteScherm@aol.com wrote:<SNIP> > >>For years, I have been using these terms interchangeably (the dictionary >>doesn't seem to differentiate amongst them), but yesterday I noticed a >>sentence in an article in the Journal of Irish Archaeology which made me >>question that. > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup > volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ >

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For years, I have been using these terms interchangeably (the dictionary doesn't seem to differentiate amongst them), but yesterday I noticed a sentence in an article in the Journal of Irish Archaeology which made me question that. The essay deals with "Irish gravestones as a material form of genealogy" (duhhhh). But this sentence surprised me: "Theft of statuary and other elements of stonework, often for resale as garden ornaments, is also known, and whilst it is most frequently noted by cemetery managers, it occurs at graveyards also." The article, on "Artefact biography", is by Harold Mytum and is on pp. 111-127, Volumes XII and XIII, 2003-2004. Any comments? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hi Mary Ellen, Since there seems to have been a period of up to three months in which a birth could be registered, have them check for the event in the a wider range of records. I know that my father's birth in November 1903 in England (which had the same system, apparently) was not found in the last quarter of 1903 records, but in the first quarter of 1904. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] National School Records - 'Marine Register' Births/Deaths at Sea - RAOGK Website - LAW, JOHN and ELIZABETH > Jean~ > Thanks so much re: the "Births at Sea" Index. I'll go back and make my request again mentioning the index. My ancestor was 1904/05, have to check the family bible for the exact date. Perhaps in my request of May last, that particular index was not checked. However, I did state he was a "Birth at Sea" by an Irish citzen (mother) returning for the child's birth. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> wrote: > Hi Eileen - MARITIME RECORDS: From 1864 up to the present, the General > Register Office has kept a separate 'Marine Register' of births and deaths > of Irish subjects which took place at sea. From 1886 only, a printed index > to this register is bound into the back of the births and death index for > each year. For earlier registers, the indexes have to be requested from the > staff in the Office. No separate reegister was kept for marriages at sea. > > SCHOOL RECORDS: Check out what the National Archives of Ireland website has > to offer for researchers who visit their facility in Dublin. Resources > include various National School Roll Books/Registers received via the > Department of Education for Cos. Cavan, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, > Kerry, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, > Roscommon, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. School > records received via private donation include Cos. Cavan, Carlow, Cork, > Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, > Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Sligo, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, > Wexford and Wicklow. I found that the easiest way for me to locate their > school records page was to simply do a "Google" website search for National > School Records. (I had problems locating it using their website index, but > you may not.) While I don't believe the personnel at the Archives do > research for the general public, they do take queries, have tips on using > their facility and apparently have a list of genealogists who do research on > some materials for a fee. > > You might even find a volunteer to do look-ups for these via the "Random > Acts of Genealogical Kindness" (RAOGK) website for little or nothing. Jean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "eileen mcdonald-sayer" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:51 PM > Subject: [IRELAND] LAW, JOHN and ELIZABETH > > > > Can anybody out there please help me with ANY information on my Great > Great grandad JOHN LAW, I know so little about this side of my family all I > know about him is that he saved a man (Mr John Hurley) from drowning in > Queenstown harbour Cork in August 1861, for which he received the Royal > Humane Society award.. He was at that time a porter, I don't know if he > lived in Queenstown. > > > > His daughter ELIZABETH was born at sea off the Irish coast (noted on 1891 > census) in around 1862 I havnt been able to find her birth details I found > out that records of births at sea had this reference number BT158/2 but I > don't know how to find out the details, can anyone help? . She married JOHN > JOSEPH MCDONALD who was born in Midleton, Cork in around 1860. > > > > I want to find out Elizabeths mothers name and if she had any siblings and > also JOHN JOSEPHS parents names and if he had any siblings any information > at all might help me get through the brickwall I have come up against. > > > > Does anyone know how I could get school records from Midleton as this may > lead me in the right direction, I am getting so frustrated as everything I > have tried so far has come up with nothing. my email address is > andros028@hotmail.com if anyone would like to reply . Thankyou Eileen > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ >

When I was taking classes in genealogy, it was explained to us that a Cemetery is a large plot of ground in which people are buried. It can be connected with a church -- but not near the church (with records at the Church) - or secular (with records at the city hall/courthouse. A Graveyard always surrounded the church and was composed of members of that congregation. Burial ground -- she didn't go into that but would it be a family site? Certainly I would think of it as smaller than a Cemetery. Carol Collins PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: For years, I have been using these terms interchangeably (the dictionary doesn't seem to differentiate amongst them), but yesterday I noticed a sentence in an article in the Journal of Irish Archaeology which made me question that. The essay deals with "Irish gravestones as a material form of genealogy" (duhhhh). But this sentence surprised me: "Theft of statuary and other elements of stonework, often for resale as garden ornaments, is also known, and whilst it is most frequently noted by cemetery managers, it occurs at graveyards also." The article, on "Artefact biography", is by Harold Mytum and is on pp. 111-127, Volumes XII and XIII, 2003-2004. Any comments? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

I don't recall ever seeing an official definition of graveyard and cemetery, but the term burial ground does comport well with the explanation herein. Official definitions anyone? Donal O'Còllàùgh O'Kelly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Chambers" <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Cemeteries, Graveyards and Burial Grounds > Pete~ > Could it be that a "Graveyard" is connected with a particular church > structure near by or a private burial place on a person's land? And a > cemetery (although may be connected with a particular religion but not > necessarily) is situated by itself, perhaps miles from a church? > I say this because here in the greater Cleveland area the huge east > side Catholic one is referred as Calvary Cemetery and the west side (much > newer) is Holy Cross Cemetery. Various others about the area with no > church but religion affiliation have the word Cemetery after the name. > The word graveyard is never used. > Just a thought. Oh and yes, "Burial" ground appears to be attached to > large ethnic group of people who share the same ethnic and religious > background i.e. ----- tribe name (usually native American) Burial Ground. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: > For years, I have been using these terms interchangeably (the dictionary > doesn't seem to differentiate amongst them), but yesterday I noticed a > sentence in > an article in the Journal of Irish Archaeology which made me question > that. > The essay deals with "Irish gravestones as a material form of genealogy" > (duhhhh). But this sentence surprised me: "Theft of statuary and other > elements > of stonework, often for resale as garden ornaments, is also known, and > whilst > it is most frequently noted by cemetery managers, it occurs at graveyards > also." > > The article, on "Artefact biography", is by Harold Mytum and is on pp. > 111-127, Volumes XII and XIII, 2003-2004. > > Any comments? > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western > Massachusetts > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup > volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > > > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup > volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ >

Pete~ Could it be that a "Graveyard" is connected with a particular church structure near by or a private burial place on a person's land? And a cemetery (although may be connected with a particular religion but not necessarily) is situated by itself, perhaps miles from a church? I say this because here in the greater Cleveland area the huge east side Catholic one is referred as Calvary Cemetery and the west side (much newer) is Holy Cross Cemetery. Various others about the area with no church but religion affiliation have the word Cemetery after the name. The word graveyard is never used. Just a thought. Oh and yes, "Burial" ground appears to be attached to large ethnic group of people who share the same ethnic and religious background i.e. ----- tribe name (usually native American) Burial Ground. Mary Ellen Chambers PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: For years, I have been using these terms interchangeably (the dictionary doesn't seem to differentiate amongst them), but yesterday I noticed a sentence in an article in the Journal of Irish Archaeology which made me question that. The essay deals with "Irish gravestones as a material form of genealogy" (duhhhh). But this sentence surprised me: "Theft of statuary and other elements of stonework, often for resale as garden ornaments, is also known, and whilst it is most frequently noted by cemetery managers, it occurs at graveyards also." The article, on "Artefact biography", is by Harold Mytum and is on pp. 111-127, Volumes XII and XIII, 2003-2004. Any comments? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

Jean~ Thanks so much re: the "Births at Sea" Index. I'll go back and make my request again mentioning the index. My ancestor was 1904/05, have to check the family bible for the exact date. Perhaps in my request of May last, that particular index was not checked. However, I did state he was a "Birth at Sea" by an Irish citzen (mother) returning for the child's birth. Mary Ellen Chambers "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> wrote: Hi Eileen - MARITIME RECORDS: From 1864 up to the present, the General Register Office has kept a separate 'Marine Register' of births and deaths of Irish subjects which took place at sea. From 1886 only, a printed index to this register is bound into the back of the births and death index for each year. For earlier registers, the indexes have to be requested from the staff in the Office. No separate reegister was kept for marriages at sea. SCHOOL RECORDS: Check out what the National Archives of Ireland website has to offer for researchers who visit their facility in Dublin. Resources include various National School Roll Books/Registers received via the Department of Education for Cos. Cavan, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. School records received via private donation include Cos. Cavan, Carlow, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Sligo, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. I found that the easiest way for me to locate their school records page was to simply do a "Google" website search for National School Records. (I had problems locating it using their website index, but you may not.) While I don't believe the personnel at the Archives do research for the general public, they do take queries, have tips on using their facility and apparently have a list of genealogists who do research on some materials for a fee. You might even find a volunteer to do look-ups for these via the "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness" (RAOGK) website for little or nothing. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "eileen mcdonald-sayer" To: Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [IRELAND] LAW, JOHN and ELIZABETH > Can anybody out there please help me with ANY information on my Great Great grandad JOHN LAW, I know so little about this side of my family all I know about him is that he saved a man (Mr John Hurley) from drowning in Queenstown harbour Cork in August 1861, for which he received the Royal Humane Society award.. He was at that time a porter, I don't know if he lived in Queenstown. > > His daughter ELIZABETH was born at sea off the Irish coast (noted on 1891 census) in around 1862 I havnt been able to find her birth details I found out that records of births at sea had this reference number BT158/2 but I don't know how to find out the details, can anyone help? . She married JOHN JOSEPH MCDONALD who was born in Midleton, Cork in around 1860. > > I want to find out Elizabeths mothers name and if she had any siblings and also JOHN JOSEPHS parents names and if he had any siblings any information at all might help me get through the brickwall I have come up against. > > Does anyone know how I could get school records from Midleton as this may lead me in the right direction, I am getting so frustrated as everything I have tried so far has come up with nothing. my email address is andros028@hotmail.com if anyone would like to reply . Thankyou Eileen ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

Can anybody out there please help me with ANY information on my Great Great grandad JOHN LAW, I know so little about this side of my family all I know about him is that he saved a man (Mr John Hurley) from drowning in Queenstown harbour Cork in August 1861, for which he received the Royal Humane Society award.. He was at that time a porter, I don't know if he lived in Queenstown. His daughter ELIZABETH was born at sea off the Irish coast (noted on 1891 census) in around 1862 I havnt been able to find her birth details I found out that records of births at sea had this reference number BT158/2 but I don't know how to find out the details, can anyone help? . She married JOHN JOSEPH MCDONALD who was born in Midleton, Cork in around 1860. I want to find out Elizabeths mothers name and if she had any siblings and also JOHN JOSEPHS parents names and if he had any siblings any information at all might help me get through the brickwall I have come up against. Does anyone know how I could get school records from Midleton as this may lead me in the right direction, I am getting so frustrated as everything I have tried so far has come up with nothing. my email address is andros028@hotmail.com if anyone would like to reply . Thankyou Eileen

Hello David , I wish I could tell you that one of your Charles O'Connell's matched my criteria, but they didn't! The person I need is CHARLES UNDERWOOD O'CONNELL, and Underwood is a very unusual name. I don't think I've got another one in my entire file of over 5,000 names! And yet, he was famous or infamous enough to be arrested in the US sometime around the US Civil War (abt. 1865). Thank you so much for sending me all those new O'Connell's! Now I have no idea where to put them, as they don't match anyone in my files! I thought for sure we'd get one match, but not this time. Thanks, Sheila O'Connell Taipale sheiladay@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mangan" <dalmaks@hwy.com.au> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Charles Underwood O'CONNELL | | --=====================_32129671==_ | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed | | Sheila | Some O'Connell records attached. Probably not much help! | | David | | At 09:21 AM 18/10/2005, you wrote: | >Hello Listers, | > | >Does anyone have any knowledge of a CHARLES UNDERWOOD O'CONNELL, who was | >probably alive during the mid to late 1800's, and may have been involved | >in the US Civil War? I'm trying to identify him, and have found a | >possible match, but am hoping one of you will have more information for me. | > | >Thanks very much, | >Sheila O'Connell Taipale |

Hi Eileen - MARITIME RECORDS: From 1864 up to the present, the General Register Office has kept a separate 'Marine Register' of births and deaths of Irish subjects which took place at sea. From 1886 only, a printed index to this register is bound into the back of the births and death index for each year. For earlier registers, the indexes have to be requested from the staff in the Office. No separate reegister was kept for marriages at sea. SCHOOL RECORDS: Check out what the National Archives of Ireland website has to offer for researchers who visit their facility in Dublin. Resources include various National School Roll Books/Registers received via the Department of Education for Cos. Cavan, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. School records received via private donation include Cos. Cavan, Carlow, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Sligo, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. I found that the easiest way for me to locate their school records page was to simply do a "Google" website search for National School Records. (I had problems locating it using their website index, but you may not.) While I don't believe the personnel at the Archives do research for the general public, they do take queries, have tips on using their facility and apparently have a list of genealogists who do research on some materials for a fee. You might even find a volunteer to do look-ups for these via the "Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness" (RAOGK) website for little or nothing. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "eileen mcdonald-sayer" <andros028@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:51 PM Subject: [IRELAND] LAW, JOHN and ELIZABETH > Can anybody out there please help me with ANY information on my Great Great grandad JOHN LAW, I know so little about this side of my family all I know about him is that he saved a man (Mr John Hurley) from drowning in Queenstown harbour Cork in August 1861, for which he received the Royal Humane Society award.. He was at that time a porter, I don't know if he lived in Queenstown. > > His daughter ELIZABETH was born at sea off the Irish coast (noted on 1891 census) in around 1862 I havnt been able to find her birth details I found out that records of births at sea had this reference number BT158/2 but I don't know how to find out the details, can anyone help? . She married JOHN JOSEPH MCDONALD who was born in Midleton, Cork in around 1860. > > I want to find out Elizabeths mothers name and if she had any siblings and also JOHN JOSEPHS parents names and if he had any siblings any information at all might help me get through the brickwall I have come up against. > > Does anyone know how I could get school records from Midleton as this may lead me in the right direction, I am getting so frustrated as everything I have tried so far has come up with nothing. my email address is andros028@hotmail.com if anyone would like to reply . Thankyou Eileen

Eileen~ Where did you obtain the reference number for "Born at sea". I have an ancestor who was born 1904/05 but there is no Civil Record in Ireland at the GRO. My great aunt always returned to Mayo to have her children but she miscalculated one :) Since the child's birth is entered in the country where the vessel was bound, we now think the records could be in the UK and she came into Liverpool; Cobh had always been the assumption. Is this reference for Irish registered births which wouldn't be Civil for your ancestor for a few more years? Mary Ellen Chambers eileen mcdonald-sayer <andros028@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Can anybody out there please help me with ANY information on my Great Great grandad JOHN LAW, I know so little about this side of my family all I know about him is that he saved a man (Mr John Hurley) from drowning in Queenstown harbour Cork in August 1861, for which he received the Royal Humane Society award.. He was at that time a porter, I don't know if he lived in Queenstown. His daughter ELIZABETH was born at sea off the Irish coast (noted on 1891 census) in around 1862 I havnt been able to find her birth details I found out that records of births at sea had this reference number BT158/2 but I don't know how to find out the details, can anyone help? . She married JOHN JOSEPH MCDONALD who was born in Midleton, Cork in around 1860. I want to find out Elizabeths mothers name and if she had any siblings and also JOHN JOSEPHS parents names and if he had any siblings any information at all might help me get through the brickwall I have come up against. Does anyone know how I could get school records from Midleton as this may lead me in the right direction, I am getting so frustrated as everything I have tried so far has come up with nothing. my email address is andros028@hotmail.com if anyone would like to reply . Thankyou Eileen ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

I am still looking for my G. Grandfather JAMES MARTIN and his son SIMON MARTIN born in Dublin in about 1857. Simon came to Liverpool about 1880. I have had some information from a lister on Martins of Dublin but they are earlier. Any advice greatly appreciated. Regards, Janet Brennan.

Sorry, no records found in British Isles index David At 09:52 AM 20/10/2005, you wrote: >Searching for JOHN SLOWEY/SLOY/SLOEY/SLOWE > >o JOHN SLOWEY/SLOY/SLOEY/SLOWE was born in 1841, probably in >Ireland. The town and county is unknown. > >o He married ELIZABETH DAVIDSON (DAVIS?) in about 1863. The location >is unknown. > >o Their first two children, John (b. 1865), and Elizabeth (b. 17 Feb >1866), were born in Glasgow, Scotland. > >o The family emigrated to North America in about 1869. John is found >at several addresses in Allegheny City and Pittsburgh between 1870 and 1876. > >o Three more children were born in Allegheny City, Eleanor (1871), >Kate (27 Oct 1872), and Mary Josephine, my grandmother, (5 Feb 1876). > >o The family moved to Little Rock, Arkansas in 1876 where John Slowey >farmed and perhaps worked for the St. Louis, Iron Mountain and Southern >Railroad. The family is shown in Bogy Township of Jefferson County, >Arkansas in the 1880 census. > >o John Slowey died between 1880 and 1886. > > >==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== >Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup >volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ >

--=====================_32129671==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sheila Some O'Connell records attached. Probably not much help! David At 09:21 AM 18/10/2005, you wrote: >Hello Listers, > >Does anyone have any knowledge of a CHARLES UNDERWOOD O'CONNELL, who was >probably alive during the mid to late 1800's, and may have been involved >in the US Civil War? I'm trying to identify him, and have found a >possible match, but am hoping one of you will have more information for me. > >Thanks very much, >Sheila O'Connell Taipale > > >==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== >Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup >volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ --=====================_32129671==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="O CONNELL.txt" O CONNELL, Charles Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 14 Mar 1869 Birthplace: 267, Dingle, Kerry, Ire Recorded in: Kerry, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John O CONNELL Mother: Mary MC CARTHY Source: FHL Film 101184 Dates: 1869 - 1870 O CONNELL, Charles Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 25 Apr 1870 Birthplace: 165, Cork, Cork, Ire Recorded in: Cork, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John O CONNELL Mother: Mary LYONS Source: FHL Film 101209 Dates: 1869 - 1872 O'CONNELL, Charles Joseph Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 30 Apr 1868 Birthplace: 432, Loughrea, Gal, Ire Recorded in: Galway, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: James O'CONNELL Mother: Rose PLUNKETT Source: FHL Film 101168 Dates: 1868 - 1869 O CONNELL, Charles Michael Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 24 Sep 1871 Birthplace: 794, Lismore, Wat, Ire Recorded in: Waterford, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Michael O CONNELL Mother: Bridget CULLINANE Source: FHL Film 255830 Dates: 1871 - 1872 OCONNELL, Charles Aloysius Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 28 Feb 1872 Birthplace: No 5 Centre, Cork, Ire Recorded in: Cork, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Cornelius OConnell Mother: Mary Crowly Source: FHL Film 255855 Dates: 1872 - 1872 OCONNELL, Charles Christopher John Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 24 Dec 1873 Birthplace: Cork No 7, Cork, Ire Recorded in: Cork, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Charles OCONNELL Mother: Johannah DONOVAN Source: FHL Film 255898 Dates: 1873 - 1874 O CONNELL, Charles Marriage Wife: Deborah SMITH Marriage Date: 10 Aug 1849 Recorded in: Miscellaneous, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: James O CONNELL Wife's Father: Joynt SMITH Source: FHL Film 101311 Dates: 1848 - 1849 --=====================_32129671==_--