Thanks, Linda

We have Catherine Curtin from Abbyfeale (1837-1817)married Francis O'Keeffe. They raised their 10 children in Tournafulla, Co. Limerick. Some od Catherine's Curtin relatives were Godparents for the children but it doesn't sound like we have a connection just now. Even Margaret can't find who Catherine's parent's were. More stumbling blocks!! Good Luck--Toni McCarthy -----Original Message----- From: MomDad2154@aol.com [mailto:MomDad2154@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 10:03 PM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Curtin County Clare Roots Thank you and I have. Margaret has been wonderful but my "branch" of the Curtins have proven to be a bit elusive even for an expert like herself. I have been keeping her informed of the developments of my search but I can't seem to find one bit of conclusive signpost beyond the general statement that the family came from Clare. The Curtins are just one of the Irish families that make up my tree. ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

TINKER'S MOON Four children on a rumbling cart, A woman trudging beside that load, A lank man leaving the horse to guide A wet road: a dry road: A gravelly road that a woman shall walk And a lank man leave the horse to guide; The tinker's children take their chance, and bide. A lane leads on to one more lane, An uphill to one more hill; A potato patch to thin on the way, a hen to kill, And hunger again: and sleep again: And a moonlight flit while the salmon leaps From a smouldering spot by the riverside; The tinker's children take their chance, and bide. When Wicklow woods first seemed to wait, As still they wait tonight; I heard that creaking, rumbling cart, And stars the same were out. When you gave pennies to the youngest child, A silent child: a tawny child: The tinker's children meekly are, and mild. And still I hear strange woods among Whenever a creaking cart goes down; The singsong twang of that bawneen man: "Thank you my lady, thank you my lady." As when you gave the child a penny. I heard it in an Irish voice to-day, And saw again though long gone by Four children on a rumbling cart, A woman trudging beside that load, A lank man leaving the horse to guide A wet road: a dry road: A gravelly road for a moonlight flit From a smouldering spot by the riverside; I saw the stony, rocky road where the tinker's children bide. -- Ewart MILNE (1903- )

I use the following excellent website for currency conversion. It not only has Euro and U.S. dollars but most of the world's currency. http://www.xe.net/ucc/ Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jbm748@aol.com To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 4:27 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Euro Conversion Can anyone help me convert the cost to US dollars from 35 Euro? Thank you. Barb McDonald Mesa AZ ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

Thank you and I have. Margaret has been wonderful but my "branch" of the Curtins have proven to be a bit elusive even for an expert like herself. I have been keeping her informed of the developments of my search but I can't seem to find one bit of conclusive signpost beyond the general statement that the family came from Clare. The Curtins are just one of the Irish families that make up my tree.

Can anyone help me convert the cost to US dollars from 35 Euro? Thank you. Barb McDonald Mesa AZ

One euro equals 1.2019 dollars. Just go to Google and put in conversion of euros to dollars. Ken Hess ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jbm748@aol.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Euro Conversion > Can anyone help me convert the cost to US dollars from 35 Euro? Thank > you. > > Barb McDonald > Mesa AZ > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup > volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ >

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, April 3, 1850 THE POTATO - Nothing like the absolute rage for potato sowing which now prevails throughout the South of Ireland has been remembered by that extraordinary being to whom reference is so often made - namely the oldest inhabitant. It seems to be a universal principle to sow as much land with the treacherous esculent as possible. We have heard of persons sowing five, and six, and eight and ten acres, who, in the most prosperous seasons, never sowed more than half an acre in any previous year. In Clare the breadth of land down is most extensive. In Tipperary it is equally so. In Waterford it is the same; while in Limerick the name of an enterprising gentleman has been mentioned to us who has already no less than twenty acres under potato seed, partly, for the purpose of raising pigs! Should the root come to a prosperous maturity, potatoes in good sooth will be as plenty as blackberries about the middle of July.-- Limerick Chronicle. EARLY MUSHROOMS - On Thursday and Friday last, in a field belonging to Mr. Peard Cooleabbey, a dish of remarkably fine mushrooms was picked. What renders the growth of these mushrooms singular is, that the grass had been closely eaten down by cattle.-- Cork Constitution. - The universal determination of the Irish people seems to be, that the potatoes must grow. They will listen to no intimations or premonitions to the contrary. Since the year 1845, so large a quantity of potatoes has not been planted in any one year as are already committed to the earth. It is a desperate venture, in every way to be deplored; for, be the immediate result what it may, it cannot come to good. Should the crop flourish, there is an end to the agricultural improvement of Ireland.--Mail. EARLY VEGETATION - In a garden belonging to Mr. William Ellis, at Carramote, some potato stalks may be seen shooting over the ground. This is very early, considering the severe weather experienced during the past fortnight. The potatoes were planted in the latter part of January. The same may be seen in Mr. Little's garden, at Iceland Cottage. NOVEL IMPORTATION - Some day last week a small hooker from Killybegs in the county of Donegal, put into the quay of Killala with a cargo of potatoes called "Rattlers." They were sold out in small quantities at 2s.4d. per cwt.; and a gentleman from that neighbourhood who purchased some of them describes them as the best of the sort he has ever seen. They were intended for this town, but owing to the severity of the weather, the vessel was unable to clear the bar. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

I wish to research school records and would like to know the date range they cover. Any help appreciated -- thanks in advance. Kate >SCHOOL RECORDS: Check out what the National Archives of Ireland >website has to offer for researchers who visit their facility in >Dublin. Resources Ninclude various National School Roll >Books/Registers received via the Department of Education for Cos. >Cavan, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway,Kerry, Kilkenny, Laois, >Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, >Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. School records >received via private donation include Cos. Cavan, Carlow, Cork, >Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, >Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Sligo, Tipperary, >Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. I found that the easiest >way for me to locate their school records page was to simply do a >"Google" website search for National School Records. (I had problems >locating it using their website index, but you may not.) WhIle I >don't believe the personnel at the Archives do research for the >general public, they do take queries, have tips on using their >facility and apparently have a list of genealogists who do research >on some materials for a fee.

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, April 3, 1850 MISCELLANEOUS Out door relief is discontinued in Galway union, and most of the others in Connaught. Patrick Forbes, an Irish labourer, murdered his wife at Newcastle on Saturday. The coronership of the county Galway is vacant by the death of Mr. Wm. Kenny. Dr. Madden is appointed secretary of the Irish loan fund. Thomas Fury, of Clifden, is committed to Galway gaol, for the murder of his wife last week. Mullingar workhouse pays £400 a year for flax, to employ the inmates at industrial work. The Waterford guardians are sending out 160 paupers to North America, at a cost of £800 to the union. The town of Buttevant has its name from "Boutez-en-avent," the ancient war cry of the Barry or Barrymore family. Mr. James Page of Lynn, was poisoned on Wednesday, by arsenic, mixed up with sugar, served up at breakfast and dinner, also his son. James M'Donald and Wm. Darcy were sentenced to transportation for life, at Carlow assizes, for the violation of Anne Delany, a married woman. The petition of Sir Thomas E. Blake, Bart., of Menlo, Galway, late Stipendary Magistrate, is adjourned by the Insolvent Debtors' Court for six months. Henceforth seamen of the Royal Navy are to be paid wages by the calendar month, and the grog allowance is to be reduced one-half, the difference to be made up in pay. Mr. Kenealy, the barrister, has commenced law proceedings against the Times, for its reports of the charges made against him at the police court of ill-treating his child. We understand that the Corporation of Drogheda are about reducing considerably the rents of all the tenants holding land from them. This is as it should be.-- Newry Paper. At Naas Assizes the late Mr. Ferguson's executor, obtained a verdict for £100 against Mr. E. Ruthven, both well known on the turf, price of a mare, called "Humming Bird's daur" sold him. The ships Governor, Jesse, Lady Peel, Primrose, Energy, Polly, Waterford, Hugenot, Thorney Close, and Caledonia, are taking in passengers at Limerick port for Canada and the States. Her Majesty has been pleased to appoint Jeremiah John Murphy, Esq., to be one of the Commissioners of Charitable Bequests and Donations in Ireland, in the room of Richard Corballis, Esq., resigned. Mr. Patrick Kelly is elected chairman of the Tuam Town Commissioners, in place of the late Mr. Morgan. Mr. Tully, of the London gas works, has informed the board that £1,700 will be the cost of materials for lighting the town. On St. Patrick's day, the "David", of Galway, lying there, hoisted a green ensign with a red border, which at once attracted the eye of Commander Lloyd, of her Majesty's steamer, "Lucifer," who sent a boat's crew, and had the flag seized and taken away. Primate Cullen, of Armagh, thus expresses himself about the Queen's College: - "What shall I say of the many systems of education in which snares are laid for unsuspecting youth, and a spirit of error or a fatal indifference to every religion is installed into their minds before they are capable of distinguishing truth from falsehood, or right from wrong? Alas! every art is employed against the one only true church, and Catholic truth is assailed in a thousand different forms." Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Check you newspaper today for the rate of exchange for the Republic of Ireland. Multiply the rate of exchange for 1 Euro X the total number of Euro = $ American an article cost. EXAMPLE: $ 1.25 X 35 Euro = $ 43.25. I think the exchange to day was $1.16 = 1 Euro. However, if it is possible, I would suggest that if you are ordering something from the Republic and the site is secured, use your credit card. You will get the current rate used when your article is sent credited to your card. Much easier. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH Jbm748@aol.com wrote: Can anyone help me convert the cost to US dollars from 35 Euro? Thank you. Barb McDonald Mesa AZ ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

On 10/24/2005 4:27:40 PM, jbm748@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone help me convert the cost to US dollars from 35 Euro? Thank you. http://www.x-rates.com/calculator.html Works out to about $42 USD.

Have you checked with Margaret Curtain who started the "Curtin Family Genealogy Research"? She is a wealth of info if you haven't already done so. Also, check www.curtin.org for a lot more info as well as good links. Toni McCarthy -----Original Message----- From: MomDad2154@aol.com [mailto:MomDad2154@aol.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:28 AM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRELAND] Curtin County Clare Roots After a few years of research and loads of paper I have yet to find out the exact location in County Clare (which is where the family is suppose to have originate) came from. Going backwards in 1883 -Michael J. Curtin (he later married Margaret A. Maroney in !889 and moved to Worcester, Mass) came to Boston. I found a Michael Curtin of the right age on the Catalonia which left Cobh and arrived in Boston that May. Previous to that he had been a member of the Cold Stream Guards having served a time in Egypt and London. The following year his brother John and their mother,widowed by that time, Bridget came to Boston. They stayed in the Boston area till Bridget died in 1900 and John in 1911, after spending some time in the Tewksbury State Infirmary. Michael died in 1933 in Worcester, Massachusetts and was born in County Clare about 1861. The story is he was conscripted by the British Army because he was considered tall but obviously was discharged by 1883. MIchael is listed as a laborer and caretaker in most census. John as a baker on his death certificate and Bridget as keeping house. Her husband, John, appears to have died in Ireland, presumably in County Clare previous to 1884. John does not appear to have married. Bridget's maiden name is Daly. Again I would assume they were married probably circa 1855 the year John is listed as being born. On her death certificate her parents are listed as Michael Daley (a variation of spelling) and Nora Burke. Bridget seems to have been born around 1836. I have found a few periphery records which may suggest the family may have come from Kilrush but no paper to prove that or Ennyismon - a school record with children of approximately the right age but no birth, marriage or death records that I have been able to find. If anyone has access to any County Clare records and can maybe look the family up I would appreciate any efforts taken on my behalf. LMCurtin ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

1831-1921 : National School Records (These are available thru the LDS Library) In 1831, a countrywide system of primary education was established, under the control of the Board of Commissioners for National Education. The most useful records produced by the system are the school registers themselves, which record the age of the pupil, religion, father's address and occupation, and general observations. Unfortunately, in the Republic of Ireland no attempt has been made to centralise these records; they remain in the custody of local schools or churches. The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland has a collection of over 1500 registers for schools in the six counties of Northern Ireland. The administrative records of the Board of Commissioners itself are now held by the National Archives in Dublin. These include teachers salary books, which can be very useful if an ancestor was a teacher. For LDS film numbers, check: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titlefilmnotes&columns=*%2C0%2C0& titleno=509611&disp=Descriptive+catalogue+of+pre-1900+scho++ Linda

SNIPPET: Often confused with British gypsies, Ireland's tinkers ("travellers") are as Celtic as any other inhabitant of the Emerald Isle, per 1990s "British Heritage" periodical. What sets them apart is their nomadic way of life. Until recent years, they lived largely in tents or horsedrawn covered wagons, camped on the roadside, and earned a living as tinsmiths. It is said that many retain common characteristics, including fiery red hair and green eyes. The Traveller's traditional expertise in metalwork is matched by their skill at horse trading, and Puck Fair provides a bustling venue for their talents. Voices of Tinkers -- "If you ask: What's the time? do you have the time?, people do be vexed and they stare at you with their calculations as if you were riding about in a painted dream on the old horse & cart. We have black teeth but we dream just the same as the people that live in houses. Just to be born on the side of the road is to go down in disrepect. I know a man went down in Australia and he came back in Ireland as a tinker but they still had no respect for him..." "When I was small and went for water up the ditch where my Mammy sent me I saw the houses, standing up high over the hills and trees, some of them. I often thought betimes to meself I wonder why we're sitting outside waiting for to go inside. Mammy brought me inside houses with her when she went every Thursday . Sometimes they'd sprinkle holy water on us and sometimes they'd harm us with a few hard knocks and curse us passing..." "Betimes it do be peaceful on the road. I get a queer feeling when I do hear the goats scratching on the bark of the trees and they hop around in the branches and they rock the caravan of an evening & I lean out & tell them get off heifer, get off rooster, get off, get off, and don't be rocking the old caravan. The wind does have the best job in doing that. There's no need for you to scratch me ears out with your midnight goings on." -- Excerpts, " Irish Tinkers," Wiedel & O'Fearadhaigh

SNIPPET: Often confused with British gypsies, Ireland's tinkers ("travellers") are as Celtic as any other inhabitant of the Emerald Isle, per 1990s "British Heritage" periodical. What sets them apart is their nomadic way of life. Until recent years, they lived largely in tents or horsedrawn covered wagons, camped on the roadside, and earned a living as tinsmiths. It is said that many retain common characteristics, including fiery red hair and green eyes. The Traveller's traditional expertise in metalwork is matched by their skill at horse trading, and Puck Fair provides a bustling venue for their talents. Voices of Tinkers -- "If you ask: What's the time? do you have the time?, people do be vexed and they stare at you with their calculations as if you were riding about in a painted dream on the old horse & cart. We have black teeth but we dream just the same as the people that live in houses. Just to be born on the side of the road is to go down in disrepect. I know a man went down in Australia and he came back in Ireland as a tinker but they still had no respect for him..." "When I was small and went for water up the ditch where my Mammy sent me I saw the houses, standing up high over the hills and trees, some of them. I often thought betimes to meself I wonder why we're sitting outside waiting for to go inside. Mammy brought me inside houses with her when she went every Thursday . Sometimes they'd sprinkle holy water on us and sometimes they'd harm us with a few hard knocks and curse us passing..." "Betimes it do be peaceful on the road. I get a queer feeling when I do hear the goats scratching on the bark of the trees and they hop around in the branches and they rock the caravan of an evening & I lean out & tell them get off heifer, get off rooster, get off, get off, and don't be rocking the old caravan. The wind does have the best job in doing that. There's no need for you to scratch me ears out with your midnight goings on." -- Excerpts, " Irish Tinkers," Wiedel & O'Fearadhaigh

The County Clare Library site has some school records that can be accessed on line-very limited and I think they start about 1830.

After a few years of research and loads of paper I have yet to find out the exact location in County Clare (which is where the family is suppose to have originate) came from. Going backwards in 1883 -Michael J. Curtin (he later married Margaret A. Maroney in !889 and moved to Worcester, Mass) came to Boston. I found a Michael Curtin of the right age on the Catalonia which left Cobh and arrived in Boston that May. Previous to that he had been a member of the Cold Stream Guards having served a time in Egypt and London. The following year his brother John and their mother,widowed by that time, Bridget came to Boston. They stayed in the Boston area till Bridget died in 1900 and John in 1911, after spending some time in the Tewksbury State Infirmary. Michael died in 1933 in Worcester, Massachusetts and was born in County Clare about 1861. The story is he was conscripted by the British Army because he was considered tall but obviously was discharged by 1883. MIchael is listed as a laborer and caretaker in most census. John as a baker on his death certificate and Bridget as keeping house. Her husband, John, appears to have died in Ireland, presumably in County Clare previous to 1884. John does not appear to have married. Bridget's maiden name is Daly. Again I would assume they were married probably circa 1855 the year John is listed as being born. On her death certificate her parents are listed as Michael Daley (a variation of spelling) and Nora Burke. Bridget seems to have been born around 1836. I have found a few periphery records which may suggest the family may have come from Kilrush but no paper to prove that or Ennyismon - a school record with children of approximately the right age but no birth, marriage or death records that I have been able to find. If anyone has access to any County Clare records and can maybe look the family up I would appreciate any efforts taken on my behalf. LMCurtin

ABOUT GUARDIAN ANGELS The angels we evolve from stone Are pale and circumspect Pious, and pale and passive And unlikely to protect. But once I saw twin sisters Two tiny laughing girls With tops of grey and tartan skirts And mops of sunny curls Circle around each other On a safe and friendly lawn Playing their first game ever At their lives' exultant dawn Each made rings round the other And they laughed so joyously That watching from my window A fancy came to me I saw their guardian angels As they circled overhead Each mighty angel followed In the way his small charge led With swarthy southern faces And black curling hair And wings of flashing purple I saw them breast the air Buoyant and strong and vital They revelled in the fun And oh, their silent laughter Was golden as the sun. -- Warren O'Connell

In Spiddal, Galway, there is an area designated as a "burial ground" on the map. The bean-an -tí at my favorite B&B remembers that it was a mass burial ground for people (mostly children) that had died of something like typhus. Several years ago, following a storm, bones washed out of the area. It is now roped off but nothing else is there to mark it in any way. Betsy Murphy > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Cemeteries, Graveyards and Burial Grounds > Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:58:16 EDT > From: PeteScherm@aol.com > To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com > > For years, I have been using these terms interchangeably (the dictionary > doesn't seem to differentiate amongst them), but yesterday I noticed a sentence in > an article in the Journal of Irish Archaeology which made me question that. > The essay deals with "Irish gravestones as a material form of genealogy" > (duhhhh). But this sentence surprised me: "Theft of statuary and other elements > of stonework, often for resale as garden ornaments, is also known, and whilst > it is most frequently noted by cemetery managers, it occurs at graveyards also." > > The article, on "Artefact biography", is by Harold Mytum and is on pp. > 111-127, Volumes XII and XIII, 2003-2004. > > Any comments?