a marriage of Margaret Clark to Samuel Pickeram in Aughrim, Casltldawson, Londonderry, Ireland. would be prior to May, 1835. Marriages for Margaret Clarke, Londonderry start in 1847 No Matches for Samuel Pickeram

Hi Bob, You indicate you are looking for "Mary Maloney" although in some earlier message board posts you are looking for "Julia Maloney." I have been unable to find your "Ginocchio" family in Philadelphia in 1860 nor in Staten Island in1870. I would like to see those census images. Can you tell me how they were indexed? Or, in the alternative provide me with the appropriate census citations. Also, additional information on dates and places of birth for all concerned as well as the married names of Julia and Sarah. Finally, where have you found your great grandfather Louis in the census? Mike On 11/20/05, Eileen & Bob Pearce <eileen070854@snet.net> wrote: > > > Hello Fellow Researchers, > > My name is Bob Pearce and I am new to > the list. I > subscribed because I have a difficult problem > and am > looking for ideas. > My gg grandmother was MARY MALONEY born > in Ireland > according to census info. and her childrens > marriage records. > She married an Italian named Louis Ginocchio, > (like Pinocchio) > but with a G, about 1850-1855. My problem is > that I have no > other info. on her. I found her in > Philadelphia, PA, in 1860, > 4th ward, eastern division with her husband > Louis and two > children, Julia and Sarah. My great > grandfather, Louis Jr. > wasn't born yet. Louis Sr. shows up in Staten > Island, New York, > in 1865 and 1870 with what appears to be > another woman. > I have searched exhaustively in Staten Island > and Manhattan > the death of Mary Ginocchio to no avail. I am > now searching > Philadelphia death records for Mary Ginocchio > with no success > yet. I have asked the Philadelphia Diocesan > Research center to > search, which they have and have had no luck. > They searched > the records for 6 parishes in the area. I am > beginning now to > look at methodist church records as the > children were all > married by methodist ministers. > I have begun to look at the housholders > index of the Tithe > Applotement books for Ireland as this is > earlier than > Griffiths evaluation and would cover the time > before Mary > would have emigrated. However, I see several > references to > the Tithe books but no actual Tithe books. > Somewhere I read > that the LDS church has the actual books on > film but I can't > seem to find any film numbers. I would like to > look at the > actual books if possible. > Again, I have no other information, no > townland, barony, > or religion. I don't even have her fathers > name to search for > in a passenger list. Believe me, I have done > most of it. > > Would appreciate any ideas on this brick wall. > > > Thank you, > Bob Pearce > > > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup > volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > >

Daniel McAllister married Julia Crow, St Andrew's RC Church, Westland Row. Dublin in 1839. They had a son (could there be more children?) William McAllister born/baptised. 08 August 1841 St Andrew's RC Church. Can you kindly check for other siblings and if there is a death entry for Daniel and Julia C1841-1870. From what I have found to date, they appeared to have lived in the RC parish of St Andrew, Dublin. William McAllister left Ireland in 1860 as a soldier in the British Army. He settled in Australia. Any thing at all would be most gratefully accepted. Many thanks for your kind offer. Maria Brisbane Australia

In the summer of 1847, some 2,000 of LORD PALMERSTON'tenants were sailing from Sligo and others being routed through Liverpool, all bound for Canada. Henry John TEMPLE, the Third Viscount Palmerston, was very much an absentee landlord. As a career politician, he was forced to spend all his time in London. He became a cabinet minister in the British government as early as 1809, serving 15 years as Foreign Secretary, and later still, served two periods as Prime Minister. The nine vessels carrying his former tenants were destined to join the ranks of the coffin ships. When the first, the "Eliza Liddell," arrived at Saint John, New Brunswick in July, the Canadian authorities were enraged. There were few men of employable age on board, mainly widows with young children and elderly men and women who were unfit or too old to work. PALMERSTON was one of many who acted in much the same way; no one sought to deny that landlord emigration meant sending out of Ireland the tenants who were not wanted because they were too old for work or unfit or lazy or of bad character. Good tenants who were young and healthy, who gave no trouble, who worked the land and paid their rent were welcome to stay. Late sailings to Canada were always dangerous; ports on the St. Lawrence were forced to close as soon as the ice built up in the autumn, and as the weather declined, new arrivals were bound to suffer. One of the Palmerston vessels, the "Lord Ashburton," arrived at Saint John on October 30th. On the voyage, 107 had died and 60 were seriously ill along with many of the crew which had to be supplemented by passengers to complete the journey! Three days later, the "Aeolus" arrived with more of Lord Palmerston's tenants; more deaths, more sickness and even more poverty accompanied them. The captain was forced to pay a one-pound-per head bond to allow his passengers to land at Saint John. They were so ill and so poorly prepared for the voyage that the chief surgeon of the quarantine station reported that "many are almost in a state of nudity, 99 percent of the passengers on this ship must become a public charge immediately." Later, the "Richard Watson" arrived. Although fewer deaths had occurred at sea the account of this voyage was none the less horrifying. The passengers had been kept waiting for several days in Sligo and finally went on board on August 10th, but differences between Emigration officials and the ship's broker kept her at quayside until the 26th. Contrary winds were blamed for her remaining in Sligo Bay until September 8th when the brig was put to sea. Adverse weather forced her back to Sligo, and her final departure was delayed until the 22nd. After 43 days, the passengers were no nearer their destination! The voyage ended on November 8th, fully three months since they had gone on board and many were in a very poor state. All of this caused an uproar in Canada and protests were sent to the Colonial Secretary in London; despite his high position in government, LORD PALMERSTON was officially asked for an explanation. He tended to blame his Irish agents, Messrs. KINCAID and STEWART. Their response, in a letter of February 1, 1848 concluded: "The emigrants were unfortunately poor and without any means of support except what they could obtain by their labour, but that was their misfortune and not their fault, and they were both able and willing to work for their bread and for the support of their families. Notwithstanding the reports from the authorities in Saint John and Quebec...very favourable accounts arrive almost daily to their friends in this country from those who emigrated last year from Lord Palmerston's estate, and that already some of them have been able to send home money to their friends out of their earnings..." Other papers relative to emigration paint a different picture. Alarming cholera statistics from Dr. G. M. DOUGLAS, Medical Superintendent at Grosse Isle, were debated by politicians in Quebec, Montreal, London and Dublin, with little result. In 1848, Dr. DOUGLAS wrote: "I have the honour to report, for the information of the Excellency, the Governor-General, the arrival since my last report of 22 passenger vessels having on board on leaving port an aggregate of 7,629 souls; among these were three vessels from Bremen, three from Scotland, having no sick on board or deaths on the voyage. All the others being from Liverpool and ports in Ireland have more or less sickness and deaths...have arrived in a very sickly condition, the few that remain healthy I have ordered to land at the tents at the East End." He mentions the "Sir Henry Pottinger" left Cork on May 29th with 399 steerage passengers with fever appearing almost immediately on board, 98 having died and 100 more ill. Also mentioned was the "The Virginius" which sailed from Liverpool on May 28th with fever and dysentery coming aboard with the 476 passengers and deaths occurring even before they left the Mersey! Dr. DOUGLAS said that on examining the patients aboard the ship on arrival he found 106 ill with fever including nine of the crew, that 158 had died on the voyage, among them the first and second officers and seven of the crew including the master and the steward. He said, "The few that were able to come on deck were ghastly yellow looking spectres, unshaven and hollow cheeked...not more than six or eight were really healthy and able to exert themselves." A third vessel, the "Yorkshire," had sailed from Liverpool on June 9th with 392 passengers, of whom 45 had died and another 40 were ill. The doctor stated, "I am convinced that six days after the passengers of these three vessels are landed at the tents, and when they have eaten of fresh bread and meat, from 25 to 30 will die, and from 150 to 180 required to be admitted to the hospital. The exposure to atmospheric changes in the tents is very trying to weak and debilitated people, especially young children and aged people. Since writing the above, another plague-ship has just dropped in, the "Naomi," from Liverpool, this vessel sailed on the 15th June with 334 passengers, 78 have died on the voyage and 104 are now sick. The filth and dirt in this vessel's hold creates such an effluvium as to make it difficult to breathe."

Thank you to those who have provided ideas for finding MARY MALONEY. To answer your questions, I will do my best. There is a Ginocchio who fought on the confederate side in the civil war but I am 99% sure he is not mine. My Louis Ginocchio doesn't seem to have applied for citizenship. I haven't looked at Emigrants Savings Bank records because I am not sure it can be done on line or through the LDS church. Louis Sr. is buried in Evergreens in Brooklyn in 1881 with a married daughter who died young in 1889. There is no wife buried there with him. If Mary died on Staten Island, and they had a lot there then why is he buried in Brooklyn? It is true that earlier I was looking for Julia Maloney, but her name on the childrens marriage records is listed as Mary. The family name is severely misspelled in the 1860 census as Genarkey, and this is why I didn't find them for so long myself. In 1865 on Staten Island, the name is listed as Ginnocker the head of the house being "Pat" born in Ireland, which is a complete mistake. Also "Ellen" along with two children instead of three by then. In 1870, they are still listed as Ginnocker. The entry reads Louis, age 37, machinist, born Italy. Ellen, age 30 born England, along with Julia, age 14, Sarah, age 10, and Louis, my g grandfather, age 9. Julia married James Emmons in May of 1874. She died in 1889 at age 33. Sarah married a man by the name of Martel but I don't have the date. She was a widow probably by 1890 and married an attorney, Patrick H. Loftus, in September of 1895. My g grandfather married Louise Barbieri in Nov. of 1881 at 22 Baxter St. Manhattan. Louis Sr. died Dec. 6, 1881, and was buried in Evergreens in Brooklyn. Louis Jr. is buried where I live in Windsor Locks, CT. Thank you for your help and ideas. Bob Pearce

Bob~ You might try Italian surname from records in Ireland. There were people who came from Italy to Ireland in the 18th & 19th century. However, you problem to find anything in Ireland though not impossible is huge! Tithe books were about 1824. If you knew the county, the townland, the landlord, you might find some data. However, some Tithe records for a particular landlord are quite informative and others just have the monetary amts. donated to the Church of Ireland with no other information. How about Civil War Veteran records? Many times the pension records for veteran's have a great deal of information. Naturalization for that timeline, at least in Ohio, have very little data. I have to find my files but there was a bank which Irish emigrants used which have put their records on line. The bank was in NYC. Perhaps, someone on the list might know. I will try to find that computer site file. What about the cemetery where her husband is buried? Have you checked out those records. Obits were not too common in that time line for emigrants D/T cost and illiteracy but you never know. Just some ideas. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH Eileen & Bob Pearce <eileen070854@snet.net> wrote: Hello Fellow Researchers, My name is Bob Pearce and I am new to the list. I subscribed because I have a difficult problem and am looking for ideas. My gg grandmother was MARY MALONEY born in Ireland according to census info. and her childrens marriage records. She married an Italian named Louis Ginocchio, (like Pinocchio) but with a G, about 1850-1855. My problem is that I have no other info. on her. I found her in Philadelphia, PA, in 1860, 4th ward, eastern division with her husband Louis and two children, Julia and Sarah. My great grandfather, Louis Jr. wasn't born yet. Louis Sr. shows up in Staten Island, New York, in 1865 and 1870 with what appears to be another woman. I have searched exhaustively in Staten Island and Manhattan the death of Mary Ginocchio to no avail. I am now searching Philadelphia death records for Mary Ginocchio with no success yet. I have asked the Philadelphia Diocesan Research center to search, which they have and have had no luck. They searched the records for 6 parishes in the area. I am beginning now to look at methodist church records as the children were all married by methodist ministers. I have begun to look at the housholders index of the Tithe Applotement books for Ireland as this is earlier than Griffiths evaluation and would cover the time before Mary would have emigrated. However, I see several references to the Tithe books but no actual Tithe books. Somewhere I read that the LDS church has the actual books on film but I can't seem to find any film numbers. I would like to look at the actual books if possible. Again, I have no other information, no townland, barony, or religion. I don't even have her fathers name to search for in a passenger list. Believe me, I have done most of it. Would appreciate any ideas on this brick wall. Thank you, Bob Pearce ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

thanks anyway MaryPat. just have to keep looking ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMARYPATC@aol.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:35 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] LOOK UP please - McLOUGHLIN > > : > > Could I please have a look up for a Mary Ann McLOUGHLIN born Londonderry c > 1837, on her marriage certificate her father was given as Denys McLOUGHLIN. > She was married in South Australia in 1858, but I dont know when she csme > out here > > > Births for Mary Anne Mc Loughlin start 1870 in Londenderry > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/174 - Release Date: 17/11/05 > >

Thanks Jean, from the area Mary Ann lived in in South Australia her family were eother farmers or miners. She married a miller - well, that was one of his trades. I just wanted to confirm she was born in Londonderry. Cheers, Rhonda

I really goofed when I sent this msg via the list earlier. The surname of interest is GILBERT & variants. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bev Thomson" <b18627t@pronetisp.net> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Re: Family History CD Question > Hi Mary Pat: > Would you kindly check the partial collections info shown > on your CD's re Yardley, Worcestershire area in England > for b/christening/m ca 1576 - to mid 1600's ?? > Anyone w/this surname would be of great interest to me. > Thanks, in advance. > Bev > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CMARYPATC@aol.com> > To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:16 AM > Subject: [IRELAND] Re: Family History CD Question >> >> >> It has Births/Christenings and Marriages >> >> Cover claims it has civil and church records, in a partial collection, >> 1530 >> to 1906 however I am finding that there are few records preceeding 1864 >> .. >> There are some but very few .. >> The records cover Ireland, England, Wales, Scotland >> >> It notes that this collection does not contain all available records >> from >> this time period or from these localities .. >> >> If you have queries for dates that precede 1864 send them on, yours >> could be >> one that is there ... >> >> Mary Pat >>

McElvy/McElvey and various spellings. Any time, any where. Liz Palm Bay, Florida, USA

I would like a lookup on my maternal gmother. Her name is Anna Neary circa 1855-56. Came to NY about 1866. Would like to know her origins in Ireland and parents name if Possible. She had a sister Sarah Neary circa 1850-51. Thank you Jerome J. McDermott -----Original Message----- From: CMARYPATC@aol.com Sent: Nov 18, 2005 9:17 PM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRELAND] British Isles Vital Records Index I have a CD set of the above files from Family History and I am willing to do lookups Please: One family name per request County, town and timeline if available Please Head subject as LOOKUP and Surname you are looing for . FIrst tme doing this so please have patience, Thanks MaryPat ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Hello Fellow Researchers, My name is Bob Pearce and I am new to the list. I subscribed because I have a difficult problem and am looking for ideas. My gg grandmother was MARY MALONEY born in Ireland according to census info. and her childrens marriage records. She married an Italian named Louis Ginocchio, (like Pinocchio) but with a G, about 1850-1855. My problem is that I have no other info. on her. I found her in Philadelphia, PA, in 1860, 4th ward, eastern division with her husband Louis and two children, Julia and Sarah. My great grandfather, Louis Jr. wasn't born yet. Louis Sr. shows up in Staten Island, New York, in 1865 and 1870 with what appears to be another woman. I have searched exhaustively in Staten Island and Manhattan the death of Mary Ginocchio to no avail. I am now searching Philadelphia death records for Mary Ginocchio with no success yet. I have asked the Philadelphia Diocesan Research center to search, which they have and have had no luck. They searched the records for 6 parishes in the area. I am beginning now to look at methodist church records as the children were all married by methodist ministers. I have begun to look at the housholders index of the Tithe Applotement books for Ireland as this is earlier than Griffiths evaluation and would cover the time before Mary would have emigrated. However, I see several references to the Tithe books but no actual Tithe books. Somewhere I read that the LDS church has the actual books on film but I can't seem to find any film numbers. I would like to look at the actual books if possible. Again, I have no other information, no townland, barony, or religion. I don't even have her fathers name to search for in a passenger list. Believe me, I have done most of it. Would appreciate any ideas on this brick wall. Thank you, Bob Pearce

Hi Mary Pat: Would you kindly check the partial collections info shown on your CD's re Yardley, Worcestershire area in England for b/christening/m ca 1576 - to mid 1600's ?? Anyone w/this surname would be of great interest to me. Thanks, in advance. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: <CMARYPATC@aol.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 1:16 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Re: Family History CD Question > > > It has Births/Christenings and Marriages > > Cover claims it has civil and church records, in a partial collection, > 1530 > to 1906 however I am finding that there are few records preceeding 1864 > .. > There are some but very few .. > The records cover Ireland, England, Wales, Scotland > > It notes that this collection does not contain all available records > from > this time period or from these localities .. > > If you have queries for dates that precede 1864 send them on, yours could > be > one that is there ... > > Mary Pat >

Is there a particular name you are interested in ???

Hello Marypat, Would you look at James Simpson Miller b Castlewellan County Down about 1830/33. Thank you so much Sandra

Mary Pat, if it not too much trouble, I have these four names: Co Cork ----- Nicholas LOUGHLIN/LAUGHLIN born around 1812 (probably around Fermoy) Catherine (or Mary Catherine) HYDE/HIDE born around 1812 (probably around Fermoy) Co Down ---- Hugh TREANOR/TRENOR born either August 1830 or August 1832 possibly around Ulster / Kilbroney Parish (hearsay) Catherine SHERLOCK born around 1804-1895 (dates vary, but this time frame seems most consistent) Thank you for your kindness. Ellen

Could I please have a look up for a Mary Ann McLOUGHLIN born Londonderry c 1837, on her marriage certificate her father was given as Denys McLOUGHLIN. She was married in South Australia in 1858, but I dont know when she csme out here. Thank you, Rhonda

May Pat, could you check for a marriage of Margaret Clark to Samuel Pickeram in Aughrim, Casltldawson, Londonderry, Ireland. would be prior to May, 1835. thank you, Kathy G

A question has been asked about the data on the Family History CD's, so I am going to post the reply to the Ireland Site .. QUESTION: I can't seem to find the post that you describe what the index is to, would you please tell me ... It has Births/Christenings and Marriages Cover claims it has civil and church records, in a partial collection, 1530 to 1906 however I am finding that there are few records preceeding 1864 .. There are some but very few .. The records cover Ireland, England, Wales, Scotland It notes that this collection does not contain all available records from this time period or from these localities .. If you have queries for dates that precede 1864 send them on, yours could be one that is there ... Mary Pat Gibbons, O Hora/ O Hara, Howley, Gavin, Jordan/Mayo Murphy, Flanagan, Coghlan/Mayo Carey/Kerry (?) Lichacz, Pifko/Ukraine

: I have a double line of this name, so could you please look up the name McKERNAN/McKIERNAN between the years of 1810 to 1860 in the Ballycastle area, Culfeightrin Parish, Co. Antrim. Births for McKernan/McKiernan in the Antrim area begin in 1867, non in the Ballycastle area Same story using Mc Kiernan/Mc Kernan I'm also looking for this same time period in the Drumkeeran area, Innishmagrath Parish, Co. Leitrim. Same story here ..