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The Ireland Genealogy Projects, County Armagh website has been updated. The following new town(land) pages have been added or updated: Ballnagolan, Brootally, Camagh, Carrickabolie, Carryhugh, Cormeen, Dernalea, Derryhennet, Drumacanver, Drumgar, Drumgreenagh, Drumhirk, Farnaloy, Kilcreevy Etra & Otra, Derryhirk, Clare, Aughlish, Ballysheil More, Killyreavy, Knockrevan, Lisdrumbrughas, Lisglynn, Lissagally, Maddan, Maghery Kilcrany, Mowillin, Tamlaght, Tullycallidy, Tullyhirm, Roughan, Lislea, Listarkelt, Mullyard, Rowan, Tivnacree, Cargalisgorran, Crossbane, Crossreagh, Doohat, Drumherney, Drummeland, Drumnahavil, Fergot, Cordrummond. Also a new webpage for the Derrynoose Civil Parish has been added. If you have an requests, comments, additions and/or corrections to this site, please write me off list. You can find the website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirarm2/ -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi again listers. I have put yet more new Irish data online for all of you. This morning I added the following Paronstown Poor Law Union Officers, Kings County, Offaly County Ireland Roscrea Poor Law Union Guardians and Ex Officio Guardians, Kings County, Offaly County Ireland If you want to take a peek just go to http://www.ancestorsatrest.com/ireland_genealogy.shtml I have lots of other Irish data for County Wicklow, County Meath, County Louth. Hope this post is of some help. Brian ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com

SNIPPET: The first substantial temperance societies were established in Ireland in 1829, mainly inspired by the successes of the anti-spirits movement in the United States. The increasing consumption of whiskey, particularly illicit whiskey or poteen, among all classes had been causing considerable alarm in Ireland since the 1790s and temperance societies were seen as a way of countering the trend. The first societies were directed against spirit drinking among the upper classes and were supported by the clergy, especially Belfast Presbyterians, by members of the Dublin professional elite, by Quakers, and by a handful of evangelical landlords. In the face of serious economic dislocation and agrarian protest after 1815, and of Daniel O'CONNELL's successful campaign for Catholic emancipation during the 1820s, temperance offered the Protestant ascendancy a means of proving its superiority and thereby bolstering its status during a challenging period. Temperance did not become a major popular movement in Ireland until total abstinence was introduced from England in 1835 and Fr. Theobald MATHEW (1790-1856), a Capuchin from Cork, took up the teetotal cause early in 1838. Fr. MATHEW's crusade was a phenomenal success: by 1841-2 perhaps 5 million people, out of a total population of 8.2 million, had taken the teetotal pledge. The crusade was supported by the Catholic urban middle class and by radical Protestants, who saw it as a reforming and modernizing force. Yet most of its adherents were poor rural Catholics and their motives for joining are harder to unravel. A desire for economic and social betterment was certainly important, but Fr. MATHEW was endowed in the popular mind with miraculous powers. The crusade was also therefore an expression of the popular religious beliefs and millenarian fantasies that characterized Ireland in the decades before the Famine. O'CONNELL took the pledge himself in 1840 and it would seem tha! t the startling success of Fr. MATHEW's crusade served to encourage him to establish the Repeal Association in the same year. Indeed the repeal movement benefited in a variety of ways from the crusade, making use of temperance bands and reading rooms, to say nothing of a sober population when it came to organizing the "monster meetings" of 1843. Although many priests and the majority of the hierarchy supported the crusade, Fr. MATHEW was a controversial figure within his own church. His interpretation of the teetotal pledge as a sacred vow, his mismanagement of crusade finances, his friendships with Protestants, and his acceptance of a government pension in 1847, all helped alienate many of his fellow clergy. After the Famine and the swift decline of teetotalism, the Catholic church showed little enthusiasm for another such crusade. The hierarchy favoured temperance over teetotalism and it was not until the 1890s that another significant total abstinence movement emerged with the church. This was the Pioneer Total Abstinence Association of the Sacred Heart, established in Dublin in 1898-1901 by a Jesuit, Fr. James CULLEN (1841-1921). It was an elitist devotional organization, not a populist crusade. It did not aspire to a mass following, nor did it aim to reclaim drunkards. The Pioneers were to be small bands of devoted Catholics, setting an example of piety and asceticism (rigid self-denial) for others. Yet the success of the Pioneers far exceeded CULLEN's expectations. By the 1920s the association had some 300 thousand members and today it remains one of the largest temperance organizations in the world. Temperance continued to be influential among Protestants after theFamine. ! In Ulster, Presbyterians, Methodists, and other dissenters increasingly practised total abstinence, to the extent that wine was banished from the communion service in most churches. Protestants were also active in various temperance societies which campaigned vigorously from the 1850s onwards for anti-drink legislation. Sunday closing was introduced in the five main Irish cities in 1878, but with the rise of the home rule party from the 1870s, strongly supported by the drink trade, the political base of the Irish temperance movement was severely eroded. Yet temperance has remained a significant force in both Northern Ireland and the Republic. Although the Republic has long derived a substantial portion of its revenue from taxes on the country's large brewing and distilling industries, it was nevertheless estimated by the late 1970s that some 20% of the adult population were total abstainers. Teetotalism is also strong in the north and during the Stormont regime! (1921-72), t! he temperance movement succeeded in achieving total Sunday closing and rigorous enforcement of the licensing laws. Further reading: C. Kerrigan, "Father Mathew and the Irish Temperance Movement, 1838-49," (1992); E.L. Malcolm, "Ireland Sober, Ireland Free; Drink and Temperance in 19th Century Ireland," (1986).

I don't recognize any of these names. Sorry. David Nicholson

Hi, I loved this book Jean. My sister and I went to see the film "Angela's Ashes" as well, and I could not believe how much the houses and slums looked just the way I had imagined them when I had read the book. As you say - very sad, and very funny too. Mary "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> wrote: SNIPPET: In 1996, Irish-American author Frank McCOURT published his memoir ("Angela's Ashes") of growing up in Ireland in a poor Catholic family. His first work - but he was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for this extraordinarily beautiful and haunting book. It is written from a child's point of view, experiencing grinding poverty with a voice clear, bright and innocent. Per reviews - "It is the story of grown-ups at the mercy of life and children at the mercy of grown-ups, and Frank's lyrical Irish voice is seductive and hilarious. You won't know whether to weep or roar, and you will find yourself doing both at once!" His father was Malachy McCOURT, born on a farm in Toome, Co. Antrim, and his mother, Angela SHEEHAN, who grew up in a Limerick slum. There is a photo of Frank in the playground of LEAMY's School in Limerick, Ireland, circa 1938. "Out in the Atlantic Ocean great sheets of rain gathered to drift slowly up the River Shannon and settle forever in Limerick. The rain dampened the city from the Feast of the Circumcision to New Year's Eve. It created a cacophony of hacking coughs, bronchial rattles, asthmatic wheezes, consumptive croaks. It turned noses into fountains, lungs into bacterial sponges. It provoked cures galore; to ease the catarrh you boiled onions in milk blackened with pepper; for the congested passages you made a paste of boiled flour and nettles, wrapped it in a rag, and slapped it, sizzling on the chest. From October to April the walls of Limerick glistened with the damp. Clothes never dried; tweed and woolen coats housed living things, sometimes sprouted mysterious vegetations. The rain drove us into the church - our refuge, our strength, our only dry place. At Mass, Benediction, novenas, we huddled in great damp clumps, dozing through priest drone, while steam rose again from our clothes! to mingle with the sweetness of incense, flowers and candles. Limerick gained a reputation for piety, but we knew it was only the rain." ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre.

Any one with a vital recs cd... I am looking for Flavin, Rowe, Dooley & Crowley in counties waterford, cork, kerry and limerick thanks Brian

I recently discovered that JOHN McCARTHY b.1835 Co. Cork Married---Nora?Jane?Johanne? HENRY 1864-- b.Abt. 1835 -Her Father was Patrick Henry !st child-Winifred b. 1864 Ireland Patrick b.1865 in Ireland Marriages with McCarthy start in 1847 to 1861 Marriages with Mc Carthy start in 1847 to 1862 Births with Mc Carthy over 2600 from 1865 to 1875 Only Winifred born 1869 to James Mc Carthy/Mary Shea Births with McCarthy only 3 show in 1869 No connection No births for Winifred

I have some Scrivens and a Scrivner in Pennsylvania Gobnait Ní Leocháin Genealogy: Confusing the dead & irritating the living. "Mr Bloom walked unheeded along his grove by saddened angels, crosses, broken pillars, family vaults, stone hopes praying with upcast eyes, old Ireland's hearts and hands. More sensible to spend the money on some charity for the living. Pray for the repose of the soul of. Does anybody really?"

great-great-grandfather Thomas Mason. Born 1815, Mitchelltown, County Cork Ireland. Births start in 1868 for Mason in Cork .. Gave you two in 1870/72 in the same town, could be relatives ... MASON, George Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 12 Jan 1870 Birthplace: 944, Mitchelstown, Cork, Ire Recorded in: Cork, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Charles MASON Mother: Mary BURKE Source: FHL Film 101203 Dates: 1869 - 1872 MASON, James Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 23 Apr 1872 Birthplace: Mitchelstown, Cork, Ire Recorded in: Cork, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Charles MASON Mother: Mary BOURKE Source: FHL Film 255854 Dates: 1872 - 1872 Marriages show only 4 entries and none for this town ..

: "It is the story of grown-ups at the mercy of life and children at the mercy of grown-ups, and Frank's lyrical Irish voice is seductive and hilarious. You won't know whether to weep or roar, and you will find yourself doing both at once!" SO so very true, and even if you have read the book get the cassette or cd and listen .. If you grew up with Irish born parents (like I did) you will hear many of the sayings and language they used and some of it still filters down through us ... ..Frank did a wonderful job in reading, so natural ... Wonderful .. MaryPat

Hi, My son in law is Roland Anselm Ross. Descended from Christopher Ross of Dromore. All I know of him is that he was born in c1835 and joined the 48th (Northamptonshire) Regiment at Dublin on 9 June 1849 aged 14yrs 3mths. I know he stayed in India on discharge from the Army. If there is any likelihood of a connection I would love to hear from you. I find it interesting that you refer to "the Rosses" My daughter and son in law are always referred to as "the Rosses" Regards, Ruth

I'm very early in my research-All I have what my Great Grandma wrote. Do you have Emery in your line? I believe that my line is Scott. They said they were Scott-Irish. Trudy -----Original Message----- From: Nana7529@aol.com [mailto:Nana7529@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:44 PM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Scrivner & Ross Hi, My son in law is Roland Anselm Ross. Descended from Christopher Ross of Dromore. All I know of him is that he was born in c1835 and joined the 48th (Northamptonshire) Regiment at Dublin on 9 June 1849 aged 14yrs 3mths. I know he stayed in India on discharge from the Army. If there is any likelihood of a connection I would love to hear from you. I find it interesting that you refer to "the Rosses" My daughter and son in law are always referred to as "the Rosses" Regards, Ruth ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

This is all I have on my Scrivner & Ross families: I have the complete children listing of these folks. It was written by my GGG Grandmother Mary Elizabeth Scrivner who married Gillman Brooks. Edward b 9-21-1813 Harpers Ferry VA Died in Norway KS Married Nancy Sebering b 3-10-1818 at Delaware Co Ohio Children were: William H b1-7-1840 in Franklin Co Ohio John A b 8-9-1842 in Delaware Co Ohio Mary Elizabeth b 10-29-1844 Franklin Co Ohio married Gillman Drew Brooks Her Daughter Viola is my G grandma Eliza Jane b 3-17-1846 Franklin Co Ohio Fletcher b 3-28-1848 Franklin Co Ohio Jasper S b 3-28-1850 Whitney Co Indiana Sanford b 1-12-1853 Whitney Co Indiana Emma T b 3-12-1855 Whitney Co Indiana Sarah E b 9-3-1858 Taylor Co Iowa George W b 3-19-1860 Leavenworth Co KS Alice Adella b 7-28-1862 Washington Co KS I don't know where any of these people went-some did stay in Cloud Co KS Here's what I have for my Ross family as written by my G Grandma: Cunningham & Samuel Ross were brothers-sons of Son Ross and Mary Craig-John Ross was the son of John Ross Sr. who was born in Belfast Irleand and came to PA in 1778. He married Jenette Irwin and they had 11 Children. Moved to Warren Co Ohio in 1812. John Ross Jr. had the following children: David Irwin who died at 26yrs. 1843 Nancy Jane who died at 22 years 1842 Cunningham who died at 62 years 1887 Joseph his twin died at birth 1825 John Ross-3rd. died at 22 years 1845 Samuel A who died at 78 yrs 1905 Mary Katherine who died at 3 years 1831 Robert Ludwell who died at 5 months 1839 The Father died in 1844. Mary Craig lived with our grandfather Samuel until 1885. The rosses, Craigs and Irwins were all Scotch living in No Ireland. You know our Grandmother Sarah Ann Emery was Mary Jane Emery's sister and you know our Grand Father Samuel was Cunningham's brother. So Mother & Aunt Sue were double cousins. I have found out a lot about the Rosses & Emerys now. Cunningham lived with Henry & Ett until his death after Aunt Jane left him On the back of this is an old genealogy form with: Cunningham Ross b 5-3-1825 In Warren Co Ohio Mother Mary Craig- Father John Ross died 9-28-1887 in Madison Co Iowa Wife is Mary Jane Emery b 2-5-1825 in Clermont Co Ohio Died 7-11-1909 in Red Rock OK buried in Winterset Iowa Father was Henry Emery Mother Susannah Ramsey Children: Silas b in Clermont Co Ohio married a Florence lived in Colorado Henry E b 1855 Knox Co Ill died 1-11-1934 Married Etta Guilliams in 1880 -----Original Message----- From: CMARYPATC@aol.com [mailto:CMARYPATC@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 5:19 PM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Scrivner : Can you help find my Scrivner family? I also am looking for Ross-I have some data but am at the wall with these folks. These people would be in Belfast prior to 1813. SCRIVENER, Emily Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 27 Oct 1871 Birthplace: 740, Donnybrook, Dub, Ire Recorded in: Dublin, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Joseph SCRIVENER Mother: Caroline PARRETT Source: FHL Film 255834 Dates: 1870 - 1873 Lots of Scrivner in England, starting in 1700's to 1906 .. Need moe detail to go further .. MaryPat ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

Hi Would some kind soul look in the Lowell, Mass. Census, 1900 and 1910, for Anna McDermott circa 1855-56, born in Ireland. She had children John, William, Mary Beatrice, plus many more who may not be living at home. I am looking for her date that she arrived in the USA at NY. Also look for her in the 1910 and 1920 census of Bedford, Mass. At that time she possibly would be living with married daughter Mary Beatrice Cox. There again I'm looking for her entry date into the USA at NY. Thank You Jerome J. McDermott ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

Hi Would some kind soul look in the Lowell, Mass. Census, 1900 and 1910, for Anna McDermott circa 1855-56, born in Ireland. She had children John, William, Mary Beatrice, plus many more who may not be living at home. I am looking for her date that she arrived in the USA at NY. Also look for her in the 1910 and 1920 census of Bedford, Mass. At that time she possibly would be living with married daughter Mary Beatrice Cox. There again I'm looking for her entry date into the USA at NY. Thank You Jerome J. McDermott ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com

>I tried this search for the Civil Parish of Killamery in County Kilkenny but >without results. Is there another way to find these Tithe Applotments for >County Kilkenney? Sorry about that...try this, put 'Ireland' in place search. Then go to Land and Property when you get all the topics, then chose 'Applotment books, abt 1824-1840, Ireland Land Commission'. That will take you to the topic screen and when you click on 'View Film Notes', that will take you to the screen where the civil parishes are in alpha order and gives the film numbers. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Folks, searching for any and all data related to my great-great-grandfather Thomas Mason. Born 1815, Mitchelltown, County Cork Ireland. Emigrated 1836/ 1837 into Canada. Stated 'Upper Canada' as earlier residence on US Declaration of Intention. Settled near East Bloomfield, New York 1850 (?) died 1859. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Peace Tim Timothy Mason bloodyrun@mhtc.net

SNIPPET: In 1996, Irish-American author Frank McCOURT published his memoir ("Angela's Ashes") of growing up in Ireland in a poor Catholic family. His first work - but he was awarded the Pulitzer Prize for this extraordinarily beautiful and haunting book. It is written from a child's point of view, experiencing grinding poverty with a voice clear, bright and innocent. Per reviews - "It is the story of grown-ups at the mercy of life and children at the mercy of grown-ups, and Frank's lyrical Irish voice is seductive and hilarious. You won't know whether to weep or roar, and you will find yourself doing both at once!" His father was Malachy McCOURT, born on a farm in Toome, Co. Antrim, and his mother, Angela SHEEHAN, who grew up in a Limerick slum. There is a photo of Frank in the playground of LEAMY's School in Limerick, Ireland, circa 1938. "Out in the Atlantic Ocean great sheets of rain gathered to drift slowly up the River Shannon and settle forever in Limerick. The rain dampened the city from the Feast of the Circumcision to New Year's Eve. It created a cacophony of hacking coughs, bronchial rattles, asthmatic wheezes, consumptive croaks. It turned noses into fountains, lungs into bacterial sponges. It provoked cures galore; to ease the catarrh you boiled onions in milk blackened with pepper; for the congested passages you made a paste of boiled flour and nettles, wrapped it in a rag, and slapped it, sizzling on the chest. From October to April the walls of Limerick glistened with the damp. Clothes never dried; tweed and woolen coats housed living things, sometimes sprouted mysterious vegetations. The rain drove us into the church - our refuge, our strength, our only dry place. At Mass, Benediction, novenas, we huddled in great damp clumps, dozing through priest drone, while steam rose again from our clothes! to mingle with the sweetness of incense, flowers and candles. Limerick gained a reputation for piety, but we knew it was only the rain."

Hello There is a partial census for Antrim 1851 available but as you say 1901 and 1911 are the main ones available. Regards Carol Barber Freecen Co-ordinator for Yorkshire, Durham and Westmorland http://freecen.rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Mary Ellen Chambers [mailto:maryln61@sbcglobal.net] Sent: 27 November 2005 20:44 To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] INDEX FOR SURNAMES FOR 1851-61 CENSUS Mary~ I am not aware that there are census records for that time line in Ireland in existance. To my knowledge all that is available is 1901 and 1911. Mary Ellen Chambers Doug Connell <doug.connell@sympatico.ca> wrote: Hi Is there a name list for the census? How would I go about accessing one? Thanks Mary ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/