People, As I'm on AOL, that means I haven't received any Rootsweb mail since Thursday or Friday........that also means that I have a lot of time to think about things. One feature of handwritten placenames from various documents of the 19th century, is the frequent difficulty in deciphering the florid script capital letters which were used (even my Palmer method 3rd grade teacher in 1942 wouldn't have dreamed-up some of the ornate capitals I've seen). I've been wondering if anyone has ever scanned a variety of these initial letters (with correct interpretation, of course) and put them onto a website to guide others who are having problems along these lines? I thought I had some example in my Favorites list, but they appear to be only script using the old Irish alphabet. I'm thinking more about the way placenames were written on ships' passenger lists, deeds, immigrations documents, etc. Such a visual catalog of these often-cryptic capital letters could be of great help to genealogists. I'm afraid that I can't help, though <gr> - as I don't do any genealogy, and I don't even know how to use the scanner my granddaughter bought for me about 8 years ago !!! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Don't know if it would be the same for Ireland records vs US records but I transcribe records for various sources, one being the USGenWeb Census Project. The references I have used, and the ones referred to from the census site are as follows. They give some examples of old handwriting. Old Style Handwriting http://www.usgennet.org/family/smoot/oldhand/ Deciphering Old Handwriting http://www.amberskyline.com/treasuremaps/oldhand.html Problems with Reading Old Records http://www.genealogy.com/00000008.html?Welcome=1025122064 Cathy Joynt Labath USGenWeb Census Project Coordinator for Iowa http://www.us-census.org/states/iowa/

Very Interesting. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Joynt Labath [mailto:labaths@celticcousins.net] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 5:44 PM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRELAND] !! Connaught Journal; Oct 14, 1824; Coal THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Thursday, October 14, 1824 COALS. There are in Ireland eight coal districts, viz: 1. The Antrim, which occurs close to Fairhead. 2. The Tyrone, situated immediately to the south of Lough Neagh. 3. The Fermanagh, which occurs to the north of Lough Erne. 4. The Connaught, which occupies considerable portions of the counties of Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Cavan. 5. The Monaghan, situated to the West of teh town of Carrickmacross. 6. The Leinster, which extends through portions of the Counties of Kilkenny, Queen's County and Carlow. 7. The Tipperary, situated between the river Nure and the town of Cashel. 8. The Munster, which occupies portions of the Counties of Clare, Limerick, Kerry and Cork. Hence, it appears, that out of the thirty-two counties of Ireland, coal is to be found in no less than sixteen. The Irish coal is of two kinds, the bituminous or flaming, and the stone coal, or non-flaming. The whole of the coal districts situated to the North of a line drawn from Dublin to Galway, contains bituminous coal; those to the South of that line contain stone coal. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

List can anyone tell me is there a name like that? odd 1 to me. if so where can i post?. seems my greatgrand parents came from IRELAND ended up in KNOXVILLE,TN during or just after the civil war. i'm told they left IRELAND during the Potato Famine. i heard of that but don't know when that occurred. please help if you can. i', lost with my MOORE research. a cuz & i have had DNA done. he a 25 marker,me a 12. my 12 matches 2 names FIX & MATTOCKS. never heard them. a cldse match to me is CAMERON. never heard. our DNA addresses below. thank you Ray Moore. DNA done. STEVE MOORE a 25 marker. at family tree.com D629W. at ysearch MOORE DNA PROJECT M36142 mine a 12 marker at familytree.com FYN8F . ysearch MOORE DNA M30219 Researching: MOORE, ,MOOR. MOHR. MAYES, MAYS, MAZE, MIZE, MAISE, MAIZE, CARR, COX, COURTNEY, MYERS, TOWNSLEY, POWERS, GRUBBS, GRUBB, POE, (SMITH 4 lines) RUSSELL, LEWIS, DUNN, WHITEAKER, WHITAKER, REECE, HUNDLEY/HUNLEY, MANIS, MOLES, NEWBY. PARKER, CHEATHAM,CHITTUM, BROWN, HAUN, OGLESBY, LONG, DUNN, SHIPLEY & VOWELL & ROSS, LIPPS, MOCK, SHIRLEY, PENDLEY, JORDON. my pages: http://tippytnn.topcities.com/moore508/moore.htm Friends: PECK,LAMBERT,MEADOWS -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be

Hello Al (in Chester) Thanks for that. I'll give it a go. Cheers from Oz Ruza On 21/01/2006, at 2:36 AM, alex hinchliffe wrote: Try www.originsuk.com They have a lot of databases on different ships and often with articles to accompany. Best of luck, Al in Chester > From: Ruza Trivan <ruzat@bemail.com.au> > Reply-To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com > To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRELAND] Family history assistance please > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:00:24 +1100 > > Hello Ireland List, > > Researching from Australia (with difficulty). Family name is > O'Neill which makes the research ................................... > > James O'Neill was from Fermanagh and his wife Roseanne McKenna > from Tyrone . > > Any help or advice about how I might proceed would be gratefully > received. > > Best wishes > Ruza and Terry O'Neill ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

IN MEMORY OF MY MOTHER I do not think of you lying in the wet clay Of a Monaghan graveyard; I see You walking down a lane among the poplars On your way to the station, or happily Going to second Mass on a summer Sunday -- You meet me and you say: 'Don't forget to see about the cattle' -- Among your earthiest words the angels stray. And I think of you walking along a headland Of green oats in June, So full of repose, so rich with life -- And I see us meeting at the end of a town On a fair day by accident, after The bargains are all made and we can walk Together through the shops and stalls and markets Free in the oriental streets of thought. O you are not lying in the wet clay. For it is harvest evening now and we Are piling up the ricks against the moonlight And you smile up at us -- eternally. -- Patrick Kavanagh lived in Monaghan as a farmer, cobbler and poet, moving to Dublin in 1939.

MEMORY LANE: Brid O'REILLY, Annagh, Ballyconnell, a native of Gorvagh, retired teacher from Greaghrahan NS and member of the Erne Writers Group, reminisced.... "One of the first sounds my childish ears learned to discern was the eerie, lonely whistle of the train as it travelled through the countryside near our home. Although his sound registered on tiny ears, it was some time later before I realised that if I ran quickly to an upstairs window on hearing the whistle, I would actually see this 'monster.' It huffed and puffed as it moved along laboriously like a great black dragon Then, the wheels ground painfully to a halt, there was one last huge puff of smoke and suddenly all was quiet. I knew that something was happening at the trainstop. Ghostly shapes (carrying lanterns after dark) could be seen moving back and forth in the near distance. One could only imagine what was going on and it was exciting to weave stories around these ghoulish figures. Later, on reading, 'The Railway Children', I could dream that perhaps many exciting adventures took place at our local railway station at Adoon also. After much shuffling back and forth! the 'dragon' would start hissing once again, smoke would start from his nostrils and with much groaning and moaning, off he would go again.... Left behind were shadowy figures who made their way to horse and trap or to the local hackney cars to be conveyed to their mysterious destinations. A slam of the waiting room door and then all was silent again. My journey to primary school took me past the railway station. Occasionally, when I, with my brother and sister, reached the railway gates, which opened across the road, they were closed against us. We knew that a 'special' was approaching bringing cattle to or from a fair, or perhaps wagon loads of coal from Arigna... As we grew older there were trips to Mohill on the train and these added to the excitement of the day's shopping. Sometimes, we went further afield to the great city of Dublin to savor the sights and sounds of the metropolis. By this time, of course, we realised that our local train was not as great as we had first thought. It was a 'poor first cousin' to the big train we had to board at Dromod for the ongoing journey to Dublin. My lasting memories are of the brave little 'narrow gauge' which proved a great amenity in its short reign, to the counties of Leitrim and Cavan. Travelling to boarding school in Monaghan by train bring back many unhappy memories. I dreaded to hear the sound of the whistle of that train as it neared our little station each September on the date I was due to go back to secondary school. As the tears flowed freely, I boarded the train and it set off towards Belturbet. There I had to change to the widegauge train to continue the journey. I had to make sure that my luggage was transferred from one train to another. Trunks and cases had to be watched over carefully as they contained bed linen and other necessities and a prevailing nightmare was that one would arrive in Monaghan station minus one's belongings... In later years I was once again to make use of the narrow-gauge train as I made my way home from Ballyconnell to visit my family at the weekends. I remember the kindness of John McCAFFREY and his family as I waited at their station house at Ballyheady... Until the line closed in the late 1950s, I must have travelled! on that train hundreds of times... I also remember the welcoming smile and good humour of Michael WISLEY who acted as Guard on the train for many years.... On one of my last trips on the narrow gauge, my only companions were one old lady and a box of day old chicks. So I can understand that the line was no longer profitable and its days were numbered. Contrasting the poem 'From a Railway Carriage' where the landscape flew past 'Faster than fairies, faster than witches' - our little train allowed us to enjoy the beauty of the countryside as we jogged along... The workers in the fields and meadows had time to wave and smile as the train passed. Gatehouse keepers became familiar faces as the railway line criss-crossed the numerous narrow roadways in the countryside. Many of the gatehouses and station houses are still in excellent condition and now house factories, etc. At Dromod the station house has been restored and houses a museum. Part of the old line has also been restored and work on the old Station at Belturbet is almost completed. So the history of the narrow-gauge will be kept alive for future generations." -- Excerpts, "Leitrim Guardian" periodical (2001)

Our Robert Logan came from, (we have heard, Limerick or Monagham). He went to N.Y. 1790-1800. He married Betsy "Polly' Rowe, born 1790's. Their first son John Smith Logan, was born 1815, Pen Yan, Yates Co. N.Y. SURNAMES INCLUDE: LOGAN, ROWE, MAY, REYNOLDS, HOFFMAN, WARREN, GARDINER, .and one son, ROBERT E. LOGAN, married in Whiteside Co. Il. MELVINA MCCOY.

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, May 1, 1850 EXECUTION OF THE CONVICT MURPHY - At one o'clock this day the execution of the unfortunate man, William Murphy, convicted at the last assizes of murder, took place in front of the county jail. As usual on the occasion of such edifying spectacles, immense crowds of people thronged the roads near the jail. The Sub-Sheriff, Mr. Johnson, and a number of the police, with a body of the hussars and infantry, were in attendance. The unfortunate convict, when brought out and pinioned, appeared quite firm, although weak from sickness and walked with perfect steadiness. He was attended to the drop by the Very Rev. Thomas Barry, the Rev. J. O'Brien, Rev. J. Begley and Rev. Thomas Walsh, and the culprit appeared to listen to the prayers with the most profound attention. He made a declaration in Irish, which was interpreted by the Very Rev. Thomas Barry, amounting to a full confession of the murder, and expression of the deepest penitence. The rev. gentleman remained by the prisoner until after he had been placed on the drop and the cap adjusted. Scarcely a moment then intervened before the drop fell, and after a few short struggles the unhappy criminal ceased to live. After the usual time had elapsed the body was cut down.--Cork Examiner. SUICIDE OF TWO SOLDIERS - A tragedy of a most revolting nature took place in the military barracks of this town on Monday evening last, the particulars of which are as follows: - A private soldier of the 74th Highlanders, stationed here, named William Williams, a native of the county of Sligo, while labouring under a bit of temporary insanity, put a period to his existence by shooting himself through the head, the ball going in at the temple and passed quite through the skull and out the other side. The horror of this occurrence had scarce subsided, when on the following morning, about a quarter past seven o'clock, whilst the men were on parade, a repetition of the same dreadful deed took place, the unfortunate suicide in this instance being another private of the same regiment, a Scotchman, named Durcan Lovejoy, made a tailor, who also drove a musket ball through his skull, entering one side and passing out the other. Two such melancholy occurrences taking place in the same regiment, in space of a few hours, is, we believe, without parallel; and what makes the matter strange is the fact that the two unfortunate men had no acquaintance with each other. We understand that one of them was a man particularly characterised for sobriety, good conduct and military discipline.--Clonmel Chronicle. A BOY CONSUMED IN A LIME KILN - Last week an inquest was held near Thomastown, by T. Izod, Esq., coroner, on a few burned bones, all that remained of the body of a young lad, twelve years old, named John Ryan, who it appeared, came by his death under the following horrible circumstances: - Some little boys were roasting potatoes on Mrs. Ryan's lime kiln in Newtown, near Thomastown. As it was intended to "let the kiln out" no fresh layers of lime stone had been put on, and the lime was about two feet from the top of the kiln. The boys were afraid to venture on the kiln to get their potatoes, when John Ryan, who was in the habit of throwing a large stone one the centre of the kiln, and sitting on it, volunteered to get them for them. He threw in a large flag which remained on the centre of the kiln, and then jumped on the flag. Immediately the flag and he were swallowed up in the burning lime which closed on him-no part, but one hand, as the children stated, remaining above the lime. The workmen, alarmed by the children's cries, ran up and saw a cloud of dark smoke accompanied by a most intolerable stench continuing to issue from the kiln for more than half an hour; and when all the lime was drawn from the kiln, about a handful of bones, principally ribs and one heel bone, was all that remained of the little sufferer. By the heel bone, Dr. Stirling, who examined on the inquest, identified the remains to be those of a young person. A verdict of "Accidental death" was returned.-- Kilkenny Moderator. DISTRESSING OCCURRENCE IN CONNECTION WITH THE LOSS OF THE ROYAL ADELAIDE - One of the unfortunate victims in the wreck of the above-named steamer was a poor man named Canavan, who had been a servant in a gentleman's family, near Passage; his loss was rendered still more bitter to his unfortunate family from the circumstances which caused him to be in the vessel on the night she was lost. An officer who belonged to a regiment lately ordered off from this, having seen this poor man's daughter, who was a very pretty looking girl, set about his base purposes with regard to her, and eventually persuaded her to go off with him. The poor father, immediately on hearing she had left where he had placed her in Cork, understanding where she went, set off in pursuit of her, and lost his life in endeavouring to save her. Thus the conduct of a gentleman has plunged a poor family in ruin and disgrace. It is mournful to think on the fate of the unhappy girl herself.--Cork Examiner. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

SNIPPET: The planting of crops in long, straight, equidistant rows, was believed by contemporaries to be one of the triumphs of 18th-century improved agriculture. Drill cultivation allowed more systemic sowing, care, management, and harvesting of crops than had been possible when there were sown broadcast (scattered) or grown on ridges. The Dublin Society strongly advocated the use of drill husbandry. One of its earliest publications was an edition of Jethro TULL's treatise on drill cultivation, and in 1771 the society grant-aided John Wynn BAKER's factory near Cellbridge, Co. Kildare, which manufactured drill implements. Mr. TULL (1674-1741), an English gentleman farmer, introduced many new farming methods. In his day, farmers sowed the seed by throwing it by hand. He regarded this practice as both wasteful and uncertain. So he invented a drill for boring straight rows of holes into which he dropped the seed. He also claimed that farmers could keep their soil fertile by frequent hoeing. His ideas were slowly adopted. Born in Berkshire, and educated at St. John's College, Oxford University, TULL traveled in France and Italy to observe farming methods and wrote "Horse-hoeing Husbandry," which was published in 1731. In Ireland, the planting of cereals in drills was common only on large farms, but by the 1830s the cultivation of potatoes in drills had become widespread. In 1852, J. HANSON of Doagh, Co. Antrim, patented a mechanical potato digger which operated by knocking potato tubers sideways out of raised drills. This was a major contribution to the mechanization of farming during the 19th century.

HE GIVES HIS BELOVED CERTAIN RHYMES Fasten your hair with a golden pin, And bind up every wandering tress; I bade my heart build these poor rhymes: It worked at them, day out, day in, Building a sorrowful loveliness Out of the battles of old times. You need to lift a pearl-pale hand, And bind up your long hair and sigh; And all men's hearts must burn and beat; And candle-like foam on the dim sand, And stars climbing the dew-dropping sky, Live but to light your passing feet. -- William Butler Yeats (1899)

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Thursday, October 14, 1824 COALS. There are in Ireland eight coal districts, viz: 1. The Antrim, which occurs close to Fairhead. 2. The Tyrone, situated immediately to the south of Lough Neagh. 3. The Fermanagh, which occurs to the north of Lough Erne. 4. The Connaught, which occupies considerable portions of the counties of Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Cavan. 5. The Monaghan, situated to the West of teh town of Carrickmacross. 6. The Leinster, which extends through portions of the Counties of Kilkenny, Queen's County and Carlow. 7. The Tipperary, situated between the river Nure and the town of Cashel. 8. The Munster, which occupies portions of the Counties of Clare, Limerick, Kerry and Cork. Hence, it appears, that out of the thirty-two counties of Ireland, coal is to be found in no less than sixteen. The Irish coal is of two kinds, the bituminous or flaming, and the stone coal, or non-flaming. The whole of the coal districts situated to the North of a line drawn from Dublin to Galway, contains bituminous coal; those to the South of that line contain stone coal. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IrelandOldNews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: IrelandOldNews-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Thursday, October 14, 1824 COALS. There are in Ireland eight coal districts, viz: 1. The Antrim, which occurs close to Fairhead. 2. The Tyrone, situated immediately to the south of Lough Neagh. 3. The Fermanagh, which occurs to the north of Lough Erne. 4. The Connaught, which occupies considerable portions of the counties of Roscommon, Sligo, Leitrim and Cavan. 5. The Monaghan, situated to the West of teh town of Carrickmacross. 6. The Leinster, which extends through portions of the Counties of Kilkenny, Queen's County and Carlow. 7. The Tipperary, situated between the river Nure and the town of Cashel. 8. The Munster, which occupies portions of the Counties of Clare, Limerick, Kerry and Cork. Hence, it appears, that out of the thirty-two counties of Ireland, coal is to be found in no less than sixteen. The Irish coal is of two kinds, the bituminous or flaming, and the stone coal, or non-flaming. The whole of the coal districts situated to the North of a line drawn from Dublin to Galway, contains bituminous coal; those to the South of that line contain stone coal. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, May 1, 1850 BIRTHS On Thursday last, at Westport House, the Marchioness of Sligo of a daughter. Her Majesty and infant are progressing favourably. In this town on Saturday last, the lady of the Rev. John H. Atkins, of a son. MARRIED On Thursday last, by license, at the Cathedral Church, Killala, by the Very Rev. the Dean Mr. John Simms, Master of Killala School, to Miss E. Ford, youngest daughter of the late Mr. Edward Ford, Land Surveyor. DEATHS On Friday morning last, at Webster-place, Dublin, Anne, the beloved and affectionate wife of Adam Campbell, Esq. The deceased is much regretted by a numerous circle of friends and relatives. At Phibsborough, Frances, eldest daughter of the late Joseph Bourke, Esq., of Carrowkeel, in this county. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IrelandOldNews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: IrelandOldNews-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, May 1, 1850 BIRTHS On Thursday last, at Westport House, the Marchioness of Sligo of a daughter. Her Majesty and infant are progressing favourably. In this town on Saturday last, the lady of the Rev. John H. Atkins, of a son. MARRIED On Thursday last, by license, at the Cathedral Church, Killala, by the Very Rev. the Dean Mr. John Simms, Master of Killala School, to Miss E. Ford, youngest daughter of the late Mr. Edward Ford, Land Surveyor. DEATHS On Friday morning last, at Webster-place, Dublin, Anne, the beloved and affectionate wife of Adam Campbell, Esq. The deceased is much regretted by a numerous circle of friends and relatives. At Phibsborough, Frances, eldest daughter of the late Joseph Bourke, Esq., of Carrowkeel, in this county. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Thursday, October 14, 1824 MARRIED At Kilroe, on Wednesday, the 6th instant, John Morris, Esq., of Tuam, to Sarah, second daughter of Timothy Hanly, Esq. On Thursday last at Outerarde, by the Rev. John Wilson, Lieutenant Christian, of the 87th Regiment, to Catherine, youngest daughter of the late Henry Briscoe, Esq. of Tinvane, County Tipperary. September 27, at the parish church, Halifax, Mr. D. Ferrar, inn-keeper, Elland, aged 90, who had been a disconsolate widower seven weeks, to Mrs. Michael of Barley, a blooming widow of 25, after a tedious courtship of one hour and 59 minutes! October 5, at Hampton, the Hon. and Very Rev. The Dean of Windsor, to Charlotte Selina, second daughter of Richard Moore, Esq. of Hampton Court Palace. On the 1st instant, in Drumcree church, Mr. Robert Telford, jun., linen merchant, of Tartarrahan, to Miss Criggan, of Mullantine. DIED. On Tuesday last, after two days illness, the Lady of William Shaw Mason, Esq. of Camden-street, Dublin. On Wednesday last, at Treborth, Carnarvonshire, Margaret, eldest daughter of John Cheyne, Esq. Physician General to his Majesty's Army in Ireland. On the 1st instant, suddenly of apoplexy, while visiting at dinner, the Rev. Henry Baddell, of Habeengrany [?], county Wicklow. In Castle-street, Dublin, on Sunday last, at twelve o'clock, Mrs. Lamprey, aged 67, mother to the present and the late High Sheriff Lamprey, of that city. September 30, at Winchelsea, Sussex, aged 75, Edwin Dawes, Esq. October 1, Mary, widow of John Stockdale, bookseller, Piccadilly, in her 76th year. On the 3d instant, in Little Britain-street, Dublin, of a decline, Mr. John Byrnes, Printer. At Grange Lodge, Mountmellick, Margaret, wife of Robert Goodbody, one of the Society of Friends. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IrelandOldNews/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: IrelandOldNews-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Thursday, October 14, 1824 MARRIED At Kilroe, on Wednesday, the 6th instant, John Morris, Esq., of Tuam, to Sarah, second daughter of Timothy Hanly, Esq. On Thursday last at Outerarde, by the Rev. John Wilson, Lieutenant Christian, of the 87th Regiment, to Catherine, youngest daughter of the late Henry Briscoe, Esq. of Tinvane, County Tipperary. September 27, at the parish church, Halifax, Mr. D. Ferrar, inn-keeper, Elland, aged 90, who had been a disconsolate widower seven weeks, to Mrs. Michael of Barley, a blooming widow of 25, after a tedious courtship of one hour and 59 minutes! October 5, at Hampton, the Hon. and Very Rev. The Dean of Windsor, to Charlotte Selina, second daughter of Richard Moore, Esq. of Hampton Court Palace. On the 1st instant, in Drumcree church, Mr. Robert Telford, jun., linen merchant, of Tartarrahan, to Miss Criggan, of Mullantine. DIED. On Tuesday last, after two days illness, the Lady of William Shaw Mason, Esq. of Camden-street, Dublin. On Wednesday last, at Treborth, Carnarvonshire, Margaret, eldest daughter of John Cheyne, Esq. Physician General to his Majesty's Army in Ireland. On the 1st instant, suddenly of apoplexy, while visiting at dinner, the Rev. Henry Baddell, of Habeengrany [?], county Wicklow. In Castle-street, Dublin, on Sunday last, at twelve o'clock, Mrs. Lamprey, aged 67, mother to the present and the late High Sheriff Lamprey, of that city. September 30, at Winchelsea, Sussex, aged 75, Edwin Dawes, Esq. October 1, Mary, widow of John Stockdale, bookseller, Piccadilly, in her 76th year. On the 3d instant, in Little Britain-street, Dublin, of a decline, Mr. John Byrnes, Printer. At Grange Lodge, Mountmellick, Margaret, wife of Robert Goodbody, one of the Society of Friends. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Hi Ken, This is a belated reply but have you tried www.originsuk.com ? They have quite a few Passenger List databases. Regards, Al from Chester >From: "Ken Hess" <kray83@comcast.net> >Reply-To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Irish Emigration to the American Colonies, 1723 to >1773 >Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:35:27 -0700 > >Hi Cathy, >Where is it possible to get more information from the Journal? How about >passenger lists? I am looking for the name of King and Mulhollen. > >Thanks >Ken Hess >----- Original Message ----- From: "Cathy Joynt Labath" ><labaths@celticcousins.net> >To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 2:44 PM >Subject: [IRELAND] Irish Emigration to the American Colonies, 1723 to 1773 > > >> >>IRISH EMIGRATION TO THE AMERICAN COLONIES, 1723 TO 1773 >>By Chevalier W.H. Grattan Flood, Mus. D., K.S.G. >> >> The pioneer work of Mr. Michael J. O'Brien, Historiographer of the >>American Irish Historical Society, in regard to Irish emigration to >>America, >>during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, is deserving of all >>praise. >>He has amassed and presented in attractive form a remarkable array of >>facts >>in his wonderful book, "A Hidden Phase of American History," as also in >>his >>researchful articles in the Journal of the Society, facts that are >>indisputable and that serve, incidentally, to kill the "Scotch-Irish" >>myth. >>In that connection, I have been looking through the files of the Dublin >>newspapers, and gladly send this short article dealing with Irish >>emigration >>to the American Colonies in the years 1723-1773, containing data secured >>from this source. >> Although emigration from Ireland to America had gone on, >>spasmodically, >>from 1670 to 1715, yet in the latter year we find large numbers flying >>from >>all parts of Ireland, owing to the intolerance of the Penal Laws. Between >>the years 1725 and 1727 there are records of about 5,000 persons >>emigrating, >>including 3,500 from Ulster, many of whom had contracted with masters of >>ships for four years' servitude. The Protestant Primate, Boulter, in 1728 >>wrote to the Duke of Newcastle, that as a result of canvassing for >>emigrants >>by American agents, vast numbers had gone from Ulster, "deluded with >>stories >>of great plenty and estates to be had for going for in these parts of the >>world." He added "there are now seven ships at Belfast that are carrying >>off >>1,000 passengers hither, and if we knew how to stop them, as most of them >>can neither get victuals nor work at home, it would be cruel to do it." >> In the Dublin papers of the years 1728 and 1729, I find several >>references to emigrants for Philadelphia. On one vessel alone, 200 >>embarked. >>The bare record is as follows: "April 8, 1728. Sailed the Elizabeth of >>Dublin to Philadelphia with 200 servants and passengers." Similar records >>are given for succeeding months, and it is safe to say that during 1728 >>and >>1729 more than 2,000 left Dublin for Philadelphia. These "Exiles from >>Erin" >>came from all parts of the island. >> The Dublin papers published a fetter from a correspondent in >>Philadelphia, dated July 31, 1728, which may here be quoted: >> "Our Assembly have passed a law to lay a Duty of Forty Shillings per >>Head upon all Aliens that shall be imported into this Province, and Twenty >>Shillings per Head upon all Irish Servants that shall be so imported. >>About >>ten days ago (July 20) a ship arrived here from Ireland with 200 Servants, >>and to avoid paying the Duty they are put on Shore at Burlington and Trent >>Town in New Jersey. There are now four vessels more arrived here from >>Ireland with Passengers." >> Passing over twenty years, during which there was a constant stream >>of >>emigration from Ireland to America, I find another interesting document >>chronicled under date of May, 1751: >> "One hundred and fifty Passengers, including 50 Irish Servants (many >>of >>them Catholics who were bound as Servants before the Lord Mayor of Dublin) >>sailed for Philadelphia, on board the Homer, Captain John Slade, >>Commander." >>The list of names is not complete, owing to damp, but I have made out the >>following as among those who sailed on the Homer from Dublin, in May, >>1751: >>John O'Toole, Thomas Cassidy, James Fennell, James O'Neill, James Hickey, >>Edward Doran, John Callaghan, Catherine Cullen, Eleanor Cody, John >>Connery, >>Catherine Lawler, William Coffey, John Slattery, Philip MacNeill, Giles >>Power, Anne Connolly. >> An advertisement in the Belfast News Letter of June 3, 1766, >>announced >>that the Snow Buchanan had arrived safely in New York, after a passage of >>eight weeks and six days, on August 24, 1765, and the passengers advised >>any >>intending emigrants to sail on such a seaworthy vessel. To quote from the >>advertisement : "Passengers from the north of Ireland will recommend their >>friends who have an inclination to come to this country (where freedom >>reigns) to come by her." >> In the year 1771, thirty-two ships sailed from Derry, Belfast, Newry, >>Portush and Larne, Ireland, each with a full complement of passengers, to >>America, while in 1772, thirty ships (8,450 tons) sailed from the same >>ports. During these two years it is computed that close on 20,000 people >>left Ulster, Ireland, for America. Again, in 1773, thirty-nine ships >>sailed >>from Belfast, Newry, Derry and Lame for America with about 12,000 >>passengers. During these years, as the newspapers relate, there were >>frequent sailings with Irish passengers for America, from the ports of >>Dublin, Cork and Waterford. >> Thus, it is safe to state that in these three years, 1771, 1772 and >>1773, close on 32,000 people left Ulster alone for America, while at least >>20,000 emigrated from Dublin and 10,000 each from Cork and Waterford, not >>taking into consideration the occasional sailings from Galway, Kilalla, >>Limerick, Sligo, Youghal and other ports. In all, during these three >>years, >>the total number of Irish emigrants may be taken, as Mr. O'Brien writes, >>to >>be "not far short of one hundred thousand !" In fact, I would venture to >>say, from a careful study of the emigration returns published in the >>Dublin, >>Belfast, Cork, Galway and Waterford papers, that it would not be rash to >>assume that 150,000rish emigrants went to America within a few years >>before >>the outbreak of the war in the Colonies. And since these emigrants were >>comprised largely of the young, and they left their native land with no >>love >>for the oppressor, these facts serve to support the proofs already >>presented >>by your Historiographer, that the Irish must have had an important part in >>the achievement of American independence. >> >>--Source: JOURNAL OF THE AMERICAN IRISH HISTORICAL SOCIETY. VOLUME XXVI, >>1927 >> >>Cathy Joynt Labath >>Ireland Old News >>http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ >> >> >>==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== >>Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup >>volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L >>http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ >> > > >==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== >Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup >volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ >

Try www.originsuk.com They have a lot of databases on different ships and often with articles to accompany. Best of luck, Al in Chester >From: Ruza Trivan <ruzat@bemail.com.au> >Reply-To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IRELAND] Family history assistance please >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 13:00:24 +1100 > >Hello Ireland List, > >Researching from Australia (with difficulty). Family name is O'Neill >which makes the research doubly hard (like looking for needle in a >haystack!) > >An early settler to Australia ( husbands forbears) migrated from Ireland >aboard the ship 'Peterborough' which departed Plymouth and arrived Sydney >4 May 1879. > >Is there any way I can find out from which port this family may have >embarked in Ireland and is there any migration details kept about families >which left the country? > >Are there any books which detail possible reasons why a husband, wife and >three small children would leave their homeland around the period late >1800's? > >James O'Neill was from Fermanagh and his wife Roseanne McKenna from >Tyrone . > >Any help or advice about how I might proceed would be gratefully received. > >Best wishes >Ruza and Terry O'Neill >Breamlea (west coast Victoria - Australia) > > >==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== >Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup >volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ >

Pat Many thanks for your message. I will write to the fellow below. And, I should take a look at the FERMANAGH-L archives to see what's contained there. (Didn't know about FERMANAGH-L--thanks.) Trying every angle! Ros -----Original Message----- From: Pat T [mailto:tray@lanset.com] Sent: January 19, 2006 8:02 AM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Flannigan researcher Ros, Write this fellow; "William Flanagan" <Liam@cox.net> He subscribes to; FERMANAGH-L@rootsweb.com, and probably others. brian magaoidh <bmagaoidh@yahoo.com> wrote........................... >Ros, > By coincidence (?) a friend has asked for help tracing his Flannigan > connections. > Although I am unsure where they came from originally, they settled in > East Belfast. In particular, I am seeking information on a Joseph > Flannigan, who may have died in 1931 or 1932. > ..................................................................... > >Are there any FLANNIGAN researchers on the list who might have some >information on the family listed below? If so, I would really like to >make contact with you. >Many thanks, >Ros in Canada