Hello Renee, I was very interested in your email about Michael McCarthy=Johannah Reardon-Cork. It set me wondering if maybe Johannah Reardon/Riordon is an older sister or near relative of my own twice great grandmother Mary Reardon/Riordon. My greatgrandfather William Mullins was born in County Cork too. Probably about 1861. His parents were Thomas Mullins and Mary Reardon. Born roughly 1840s. The family showed up in Merthyr Tydfil, South Wales, in the 1871 census. With William being 10 years of age. There was a sister Catherine aged8years. Both these children were born in County Cork, but the younger ones were all born in Dowlais, which is a part of Merthyr Tydfil. Amongst the children's names was a Johanna and a Daniel. I had the mother's maiden name by sending for the birth certificate of Daniel Mullins, so the information was the same for all the children. As you will be aware, it is very difficult to get information before 1863 in Ireland, because that is when Civil Registration started then. So, perhaps we could compare notes, to see if any other of the family names coincide. Best Regards, Maureen Jenkins Rhondda Valleys, South Wales.

Hi Ray, all I can tell you is that the Moore name is an unfortunate anglicization (since it was already so similar to the old English name of Moore) which has practically displaced the Irish Ó More version (note, NOT O'More -- with an apostrophe -- which is another anglicization). Although the Moores occur all over Ireland, they are common only in County Antrim and Dublin. I said it was unfortunate that it was so thoroughly anglicized because it is now almost impossible to tell whether a modern Irish Moore is a true-blue Irishman or, like many, is a descendant of a Protestant English family who were imported to displace the local Catholic Irish during the time of the Plantations (late 16th century). Whilst the old Ó More family obviously used the prefix, in modern times the O'Moore version is very rare, and would obviously not be used by a person of English descent. During the Potato Famine Irish emigrants to England were advised by their priests (rightly) to drop the 'O' when looking for work in view of English prejudices. Ó More comes from Ó Mórdha ('grandson of the majestic one' [grandson being used for 'descendant']); they were the leading sept of the 'Seven Septs of Leix' and centred on SW County Leix (now spelled Laois), around Abbeyleix. The English Moore is from Norman French, appearing in England soon after the Norman Conquest (1066), and comes from Latin Maurus 'swarthy like a Moor', as indeed does the forename Morris/Maurice. Regards, David

Hi Annie - good job we don't jump to too many conclusions eh? Patrick White was from Cork, so who knows if one day we may find a link. Nice to talk to you, Pauline >From: Wallbilt@aol.com >Reply-To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [IRELAND] HUGHES >Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:09:37 EST > >Pauline, > >Hi, smiled when reading your letter for my Father is Edwin Hughes and Mom's >maiden name is Mary Jane White, which on marrying in Liverpool, England >changed to Mary Jane Hughes. My Mom's family is believed to have been from >Cork >but I have no records, my Dad however is seemingly from Welsh stock. you >might >find a link in Liverpool, England 1901 census. >good luck annie > > >==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== >Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup >volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > _________________________________________________________________ New year, new job – there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=752315885&_r=Jan05_tagline&_m=EXT

Cathy at labaths@celticcousins.net writes: << Old Style Handwriting http://www.usgennet.org/family/smoot/oldhand/ Deciphering Old Handwriting http://www.amberskyline.com/treasuremaps/oldhand.html Problems with Reading Old Records http://www.genealogy.com/00000008.html?Welcome=1025122064 >> Cathy, Belated thanks for the URLs (a little AOL problem got in the way). I think I'm going to start a separate folder for such sources. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Thank you Mary and Jack for that information. Judy

Judy, Go to _http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm_ (http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm) Jack Langton

Hello to everyone. My name is Pauline (quarter Irish) and I am new to the list. I would love to find the birth of my grandfather Robert HUGHES, but unfortunately, all I have is that he married a Clara BANKS, possibly in Widnes, Lancashire, and their first child , Robert Edward was born 1920, again in Lancashire. With the whole of Ireland to look at, I realise this must be a difficult task, the only other bit of info being that he had a sister Rita. I also have a Patrick WHITE, who married into the Banks family - he was born in Cork abt. 1863. Please forgive me if this is too big an ask. I am totally ignorant of my grandfather's life, as you can see, but I just remember him taking me into the fields when I was abt 4, and helping me find "fairy rings" He was beautiful. Regards, Pauline in Australia. _________________________________________________________________ Win a romantic $10,000 holiday for two! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=click&clientID=151&referral=hotmailtagline&url=http://shoppingau.ninemsn.com.au/compIntro.aspx?compId=195

Wonder if anyone knows which area of Ireland the McCartney's might have come from. Need someplace to start. Thanks, Judy

According to this link http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm?fuseaction=Go.&UserID= it looks like the name McCartney may have originated in Co. Antrim. Mary Elizabeth in Fla. RESEARCHING: McKERNAN/McKIERNAN in Co. Antrim and Co. Leitrim; McALLISTER/McALISTER in Co. Antrim; MULDOWNEY in Co. Kilkenny; and KEARNEY in Co. Louth --- Judysnewname1@aol.com wrote: > Wonder if anyone knows which area of Ireland the > McCartney's might have come > from. Need someplace to start. > > Thanks, > Judy > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, > links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your > subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Beryl, The arrival notes on James O'Neill, list the ship as departing from Plymouth, so he, his wife and 3 small children somehow got to Plymouth before setting sail. I'd love to find out how. Decided to check out the State Library Victoria and there is a copy in the Genealogy section. Call No. 941.621 IR4M I used to live in Montmorency! Cheers from Breamlea (near Barwon Heads) Vic Ruza On 30/01/2006, at 9:29 PM, Beryl O'Gorman wrote: Not necessarily Ruza. Some left directly from Ireland. Some crossed to Liverpool and left from there. One account I have describes how the brothers caught a ferry to Scotland and then a coastal steamer down to Liverpool as did many of the Scots themselves. If only they'd known we'd be trying to work it out 150 years later! Jean, do you know if this book is still available for purchase? Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia

Pauline, Hi, smiled when reading your letter for my Father is Edwin Hughes and Mom's maiden name is Mary Jane White, which on marrying in Liverpool, England changed to Mary Jane Hughes. My Mom's family is believed to have been from Cork but I have no records, my Dad however is seemingly from Welsh stock. you might find a link in Liverpool, England 1901 census. good luck annie

RTENNIHAN@aol.com wrote....................... >Not getting all posts............ I have messages from Jan 17th if you''d like me to send them to you. I erased messages from Jan 27 to Jan 29th though.

SNIPPET: Board of Green Cloth, an organization of woollen workers in early 19th-century Dublin. Many employers in the 1820s believed that the board co-ordinated unions in sometimes violent action against them. The British trade union historians Sidney and Beatrice WEBB compounded what was probably an overblown view of the board's influence when they wrote that it was a joint committee of the Dublin trades 'whose dictates became the terror of the employers.'

SNIPPET: Ernest BLYTHE was a rare example, by the early 20th century, of an Ulster Protestant embracing cultural and political nationalism. Born in Co. Antrim, he joined the Gaelic League and Irish Republican Brotherhood while a clerk in Dublin, and was imprisoned during the rising of 1916. As Cumann na nGaedheal minister for finance (1922-31) he won lasting notoriety by reducing old-age pensions, but also initiated the state subsidy to the Abbey theatre. He was managing director of the Abbey 1941-67, where he insisted that only Irish-speaking actors could be employed. As Earnan de BLAGHD he published poety and memoirs.

FYI............. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Billinghurst [mailto:billingh@rootsweb.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:25 AM To: Listowners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [LO] [info] AOL looks to have opened its doors to RootsWeb mail In the last few hours, it seems that AOL has whitelist'd RootsWeb's mailing list servers and mail is flowing through again. As we have about 100 000 messages spooled to deliver and I do not wish to overwhelm mailboxes at AOL, I have started a drip feed delivery to AOL/Netscape/CS/WMConnect.  This delivery will look to deliver the mail over the next 90-100 hours.  I will review the delivery in about 24 hours to see how things are progressing. Regards, Andrew RootsWeb staff - mailing lists and mail - Linda Genealogyforum.org Manager Irish and Scot chat host

Hi Mike Thanks so much. It could be Drumacloghan, it would be easy enough to mis transcibe as Drumlochlan. Thanks again Karen -----Original Message----- From: Mike Saunders [mailto:csaunders65@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2006 7:03 AM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Drumlachlan / Drumlochlan Karen, The below townland is the closest I could come. But, I did not look through the entire list. You can search the list yourself at this site http://www.seanruad.com/ Put Drum in the townland field and in the search method chose At BEGINNING of field. Townland AKA Acres County Barony Civil Parish PLU Province Drumacloghan 210 Donegal Kilmacrenan Tullyfern Millford Ulster Mike

Karen at karen@spreadtheword.com.au writes: << Is there such a place as Drumlochlan / Drumlachlan? >> Karen, Sorry I didn't get to this sooner, but today is about the first Rootsweb mail I've received since the server change on the 20th January (blame AOL - RW has over 100,000 messages yet to be delivered). In any case, you have your choice between Drumloughlin - in Ematris civil parish, Co. Monaghan, about a mile WNW of the tiny town of Rockcorry - or Dromloughlin - in Kilmocomoge civil parish, Co. Cork, three miles NNE of Bantry town, next to Ballylicky village. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Bob. Me too. I believe it has something to do with AOL but I don't know haw to fix the problem. Mary

Hello. For some reason I am not getting all messages sent to the list, I only get about 2 or 3 a week, would anybody know why. Thank you. Best wishes. Bob

Not necessarily Ruza. Some left directly from Ireland. Some crossed to Liverpool and left from there. One account I have describes how the brothers caught a ferry to Scotland and then a coastal steamer down to Liverpool as did many of the Scots themselves. If only they'd known we'd be trying to work it out 150 years later! Jean, do you know if this book is still available for purchase? Cheers Beryl Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruza Trivan" <ruzat@bemail.com.au> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Business Records (COOKE/McCORKELL/TAYLOR) -- "Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871," ed. Brian Mitchell > Thank you to Jean R. for this history. I will pursue the book you > suggest. > I presume it may tell me from which ports in Ireland passengers > embarked to reach England and then Plymouth to further their journey? > > Thanks > Ruza > Aust. > > On 30/01/2006, at 4:32 AM, Jean R. wrote: > > SNIPPET: As a general rule passenger lists will be found at the port > of arrival rather than at the port of departure. > > Prior to 1890 surviving passenger lists in Ireland owe their > existence to ship owners, who kept them for business reasons. The >