Correction -- That Half-Day Tour (Railtours Ireland/"Wicklow Mountaineer) visits Ballykissangel (Avoca) and Glendalough. They also visit the Avoca hand weavers, have a pint at Fitzgeralds, and visit the ancient monastic settlement at Glendalough. This sounds like a lovely half-day tour into the Wicklow Mountains and we will see magnificent seascapes. The train brings us back to Dublin seven hours later and only costs 39 euros per person! I also meant to say we took into account the recommendations from listers in planning, but we can't see it all! This tour said to depart daily, Monday through Saturday, bookings for this tour can be taken up to 15 minutes on the day of departure, but you can check the website for information on this and other rail tours. Some of the longer tours leave early morning. Some are of more than one day. Some tours require booking in advance. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Query, My Upcoming Trip to Ireland -- Recollections, Willie WALSH -- "Colours of Childhood" (contemp.) >

Hi Ms. Gilly in Wales - Well, it has taken all this time to finalize my sister and my itinerary for our month-long trip to Ireland (our first!) this coming summer. I will be sure and write a newsy note to the list and tell you all about it. My cousin decided not to join us, which made us very sad, but we will have a fun time anyway! After a glorious14-day guided Globus coach tour, which begins and ends in Limerick, we will divide our time between a nice Limerick city hotel and a highly recommended B&B in the quiet countryside outside of Limerick town, then take the train (we love trains!) across Ireland over to Dublin to stay several days in a posh Georgian hotel restored 17th c. across from the National Museum! We are looking forward to meeting two Irish friends we have gotten acquainted with via e-mails and will see all the sights and may even take one or two half-day or one-day round-trip rail tours out of Dublin (one is a mystery tour that doesn't tell you the destination that leaves at noon!). We shouldn't have any trouble getting around by walking and public transportation in Dublin city. . I will fly from WA State to spend a day or two with my sister in OR and see her new house. Then we will take a bus to the Portland area and stay overnight at a hotel nearby so we can be up and ready for our early-morning flight. We will fly to NY, have a short wait, catch another plane that flies across the Atlantic and touches down in Shannon Airport, over on the west coast of Ireland, in the Clare/Limerick area. We chose July-August time period (for the best weather) although more expensive. We took a lot at all the listers' suggestions. We discovered that once we found an interesting-sounding, recommended 4-star B&B on the Internet, if we took more than a hour or two deciding, it would be filled by the time we wrote them back!! This happened several times to us, even though we were looking for accommodations seven months before our trip! We ended up getting some help from a travel agent to find good accommodation in the heart of Dublin. Since my sis is paying my way, and I was given the task of getting the most for "our" money (since I knew more about Ireland, having studied it), I was like 'a kid in a candy store,' with so many things I wanted to see and experience. We decided that a trip that incorporated a guided coach tour (with airflight over, accommodations, sights, most meals included) was less of hassle for us and actually quite cost-effective and our luggage taken care of, for the most part. On the advice of a travel guide, we decided to spend a week longer in Ireland because it might be our one-and-only triip abroad, there was so much to see and do and we needed some relaxing down time. We didn't want to be on a bus all day, either. Because our cousin (who was to be the driver) backed out, we had to look into public transportation to get around. (I don't drive and my sister is loathe to!). We were going to take a Rick Steves' guided coach tour that sounded wonderful as travellers stayed in what sounded like homey B&Bs throughout, lots of time at the seashore, we decided that it might be more tailored for the younger, back-packing crowd. We looked into other guided tours and settled on one that seemed to be a good value (14-day Globus/Scenic Ireland) that would trace the coastline of the entire island. The tours includes stays in nice hotels in several Irish counties including one recommended by a lister, Jurys Ballbridge in Dublin. The tour includes many meals, all accommodations and fare to sites with several optional events we will take in (or stay put and relax). Some of the tour I have outlined below (but not all). We will visit Bunratty folk park, enjoy dinner and traditional irish music in a barn. Visit Cliffs of Moher, Rathbaun Farm (watch farmer shear sheep and his wife make scones for us), Connemara (Galway) marble factory and Galway town, visit Clifen, a small fishing village in the far west. We will visit Kylemore Abbey, massive castle acquired by the Benedictine nuns in a beautiful setting. We will also visit Westport, and Knock (where the Virgin Mary appeared). On the way to Bundoran we will stop at Drumcliff on Sligo Bay to visit the grave of W. B. YEATS. Our tour takes up into the wild and beautiful Donegal, and we will follow the Atlantic coast, visit Donegal town, Bundoran. We will also visit the Belleek Pottery Factory. We will go past Dunluce Castle (part of which fell from the cliff into the sea, taking the kitchen staff with it, in medieval times). The tour visits Co. Antrim's Giant's Causeway. In Derry.(St. Columbs' Cathedral) and Belfast (where the 'Titanic" was built) we will be part of walking tours by local guides. We will see the Mountains of Mourne and then back into the Republic. The Boyne Valley is the scene of a bloody 17th century battle, and we will visit the Knowth passage-grave dating from the Bronze Age. In Dublin we will visit Trinity College and the Book of Kells, join in a walking tour of the city including statue-lined O'Connell Street, elegant Georgian squares, St. Patrick's Cathedral. The afternoon is one of leisure and we can enjoy an optional Irish dinner and cabaret show. We will visit the Wicklow Mountains, visit Ballyknocken House, a typical Irish family-run guesthouse best known from its cooking school, where we will have a homebaking demonstration and enjoy fresh cones vrom the oven and coffee. We will spend an afternoon in the pretty county town of Kilkenny, visit the castle. There is a visit to the Waterford Crystal factory and another to Blarney woolen mill. We will call on Bantry, Cork, which is nestled bewsdie a large natural harbour, board a private boat at beautiful Glengarriff for a short (apparently calm) crossing to Garinish island, where we will stroll through a fragrant and lush tropical island garden. We will head over the mountains into Co. Kerry and experience more breathtaking scenery. At Kenmare we will join the fabled 'Ring of Kerry' and see Lakes of Killarney, visit Killarney. We can take in an optional evening in Tralee with dinner and tickets to the Siamsa Tire National Folk Theatre. We will visit Dingle Peninsula, the blasket island centre (dedicated to Irish language and culture), visit Dingle. We can take a optinal excursion by horse-drawn jaunting car through the national park, see Lakes of Killarney, Ross Castle. We will visit quaint Adare, renowned for its pretty thatched cottages and we have an optional (medieval?) banquet at Knappogue Castle. Some of the things we are planning on seeing during our free two weeks exploring at the end of the tour include Limerick's Hunt Museum, take the Frank McCourt walking tour ("Angela's Ashes"), eat in pubs and get some local color, take a local bus and revisit Dingle and Tralee, perhaps Ennis, Clare, Galway, visit the marvelous Muckross House (where Queen Victoria stayed), visit Kinsale, Cork (Cobh), the Rock of Cashel, stud farm and Japanese gardens in Kildare, (hopefully, Dunbrody ship at New Ross, Kenmare Lace Centers, Strokestown House). Also definitely want to see Kilmainham Goal in Dublin, National Museum, National Gallery (Art), and possibly Botanical Gardens and Guinness Storehouse. Besides a half-day rail "mystery tour," we are looking at other RailTours out of Dublin with flight to Aran Islands, to Avoca (Ballykissangel) and Avoca. I also want to see Trim and Newgrange, both highly recommended places/sites. The Trim (Meath) castle is the one in the movie "Braveheart." and is only an hour from Dublin.. If we were driving, I could think of lots more places to visit. We will be somewhat limited. I have an Irish poetess e-mail friend who has offered to take a day off, prepare lunch for us in her flat, and show us some of the Dublin sights. She was born in Co. Leitrim, where our Irish kin evidently came from. We want to treat her to dinner in the evening. An Irish gentleman, a business friend of my nephew, also plans to show us some of the Dublin sights and promises to treat us to "the best dinner in Ireland." I am going to do my best to talk my sister in visiting Liverpool (short flight) from Dublin, where our English father was born, and to visit Drumshanbo, Leitrim, where our Irish grandfather was born. As novice travelers in our 60's we may just get worn out and see half of these wonderful places before flying back home from Dublin. We may attempt to do some genealogy while in Ireland, perhaps look at the National School Records at the National Archives. I bought some wheeled luggage, had my birth certificate corrected to show the correct day, have gotten new glasses, had a foot problem and dental problem taken care of, and the new shoulder bag I bought turned out to be named "Erin"! ('Twilight Zone' music here). Jean xx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gill Smith" <gilliandavies@lineone.net> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Recollections, Willie WALSH -- "Colours of Childhood" (contemp.) > Hello Jean > > That was another lovely one. How's plans going for the trip? > > Gilly Gill - in Wales > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> > To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:07 AM > Subject: [IRELAND] Recollections, Willie WALSH -- "Colours of Childhood" > (contemp.) > > > > MEMORY LANE: In a 2002 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" > > magazine, Willie WALSH recalls his Irish childhood: > > <snip> >

Hello Jean That was another lovely one. How's plans going for the trip? Gilly Gill - in Wales ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 7:07 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Recollections, Willie WALSH -- "Colours of Childhood" (contemp.) > MEMORY LANE: In a 2002 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" > magazine, Willie WALSH recalls his Irish childhood: > > "My first encounters in the great outdoors, a tiny figure moving > about in waist high, luscious grass, the smell of the nearby > farmyard, the huge, silent sky, deep blue, grazed by slow, white > herds of faceless sheep, shepherded by a perfect sun. > > Here I stood, the universe before me. Red or orange ladybirds, > their backs polka spotted, crawled everywhere, so common they > could easily be caught and allowed walk across one's hand any > summer's day. How long would they stay exploring palms? Then, > wonder unfurling, their tiny wings came out from beneath their > spotted jackets and took to imperfect, wandering flight. Bees that > came and went in quiet concentration. Large black and yellow > striped ones, their legs orange with pollen; their dowdy smaller > cousins of the hive, always working, ceaselessly, filling the fields > with gentle music. Their larder work-place, the countless white- > petalled daisies to the edge of sight, the purple or green > flowered clovers, the yellow ranks of dogweed, the tall thistles. > > Fence post, grey and solid, between them kept the cows from > entering the garden. They stood gazing through with curiosity at > this small creature, its blonde baby hair lying like a question > unspoken, its hands reaching out to wet, grassy muzzles. Their > hides of many colours, tan brown, black with white patterns, their > tails, alive, flicking flies. Eyes, brown and long-lashed, stared > through the divide. The world of the outside; the one of within. > > Brilliant colours filled my childhood world. Not the colours of > a modern playroom, but the hues that nature bestowed around us > and of which, then as now, I could never grow weary. For some, > memory is a fading book, something tinged and edged with > sadness. My recollections are long still and wide, from low among > the grasses to the dizzy heights of eagles. Filled with the wonder, > I am blessed and count my blessings." > > > ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== > Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup > volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/ > >

For most of us, having a specific place name as the home of our ancestors in Ireland is the most we could wish for. For others, even though family stories tell of a specific townland in a specific Parish in a specific County, the records still remain elusive. The answer could be nothing more than the result of the Local Government 1898 Act which made changes in the boundaries of several counties. County Mayo townlands transferred to County Roscommon were: In the Civil Parish of Castlemore Ardkill, Ballymaging (or Castlemore), Barnaboy, Boughtaduff, Bohalas, Cashelard, Cashelcolaun, Cloonavullaun, Crunaun, Doogary, Drumnalassan, Friarshill, Glebe, Ishlaun, Kilkeeran, Killadanagan, Kilvanloon, Knockanaconny, Lung, Poolboy, Toomanagh. In the Civil Parish of Kilbeagh: Calveagh Lower and Upper, Currinah, Derrynanaff, Gortanure. In the Civil Parish of Kilcolman: Attiantaggart, Ballaghadeereen Cross No., Ballyoughter, Bockagh, Boleysillagh, Brogher, Cloonlumney, Cloonmeen, Coolaghtane, Coollena, Islandmore, Largan, Tonregee, Tullaghanmore (Or Edmondstown Demesne), Creggan, Cross S., Derrynacross, Derrynagur, Doogary, Drumacoo, Fallsollus, Frasnadeffa, Hawksford, Kilcolman, Magheraboy, Toobrackan, Tullaghanrock. County Galway townlands transferred to County Roscommon were: In the Civil Parish of Dunamon: Bracklin, Carrowkeel, Carrownaglogh, Cornaveagh, Dunamon, Kelbegnet, Rosmoylan, Shanballyeden. County Galway townlands transferred to County Mayo: In the Civil Parish of Ballinchalla: Cappanacreha, Derry, Dirkbeg, Shanvallycahill. In the Civil Parish of Ballinrobe: Derrypark Barnahowma, Churchfield Upper and Lower, Carranagerra, Cortmore, Greenaun, Killateeaun, Lettereeneen, Tonaglanna, Treat. In the Civil Parish of Ross: Cumer Dooletter, Finny, Glenbeg East and West, Kilbride, Kilmore, Maumtrasna, Ram's Island. County Galway townlands transferred to County Clare In the Civil Parish of Clonrush: Ballinrooaun, Ballyglass, Ballyhinch, Ballnakillew, Ballnamona, Bargarriff, Birchpark, Boleynagoagh North and South, Cappagha, Cappantruhaun, Cartron, Clonrush, Cloonmhoaun, Cloonoolia North and South, Cregg, Derrainy, Drummaanadeevan, Drummaan East, South and West, Furnace, Garraun, Garryeighter, Gortnascreeny, Gweeneeny, Kilcooney, Kilkittaun, Lakyle, Meelick, Rinskea, Tintrim, Whitegate The townlands transferred from County Sligo to Couty Mayo were: In the Civl Parish of Kilmoremoy, the townlands of: Abbeyhalfquater, Ardnaree (or Shanaghy), Ballyholan, Bechy Beg, Behy More, Breaghwy, Bunree, Carrowcushlaun and C. West, Cloonslsaun, Corimla N. and South, Farranmorga, Glebe, Knocknalyre (or Downhill), Mullauns, Quignalecka, Quignalegan, Quignamanger, Quignashee, Rathkip, Rathmeel, Tideway. In the Civil Parish of Castleconor, the townlands of: Ardvally, Bellanira (or Iceford), Castleconor, Cloonloughan (or Dooyeaghny, Farrangarode, Lugmannow, and Rathdonnell. The townlands transferred from County Waterford to County Kilkenny In the Civil Parish of Killculliheen: Abbeylands, Ballivoher, Ballyrobin, Belmount, Christendom, Mountmisery, Mountsion, Newrath, Newtown, Rathculliheen, Rockshire. So, just as in this County, borders tended to change. If you can't find the records you're seeking in the area you've been told they reside, look across the border! They may be there waiting for you! Genealogyforum.org Manager Irish and Scot chat host

I’m back to you with my searches! First because we have so many new list members, and secondly because I note a number of linguistic "experts" on the list! Here is the information I have: John Butler (my grandfather), born 1839 in County Clare, Ireland, Immigrated to New York in 1860. Father - John Butler, born in Ireland, Mother – name unknown. Mary Long (my grandmother), born 11 November, 1854 in Randolph, New York. Father - James Long, born in Ireland, Mother – Mary FITZJARRIS Long, born in Ireland. I find the name Mary Fitzjarris Long on the Death Certificate for Mary Long (my grandmother). I have only found that surname one other time, and that in a census record for New York in 1860 for a David Fitzjarris, born in Ireland. My question is: If my great grandmother spoke Gaelic, and my grandmother spoke with a strong accent what other name(s) than Fitzjarris could I research? I’ve asked this question before, so if you have answered in the past please bare with me! I'm always hoping someone new will knock at least one brick out of the wall! I don’t give up easily..(VBG) Thanks! Edna in Kansas, USA

MEMORY LANE: In a 2002 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine, Willie WALSH recalls his Irish childhood: "My first encounters in the great outdoors, a tiny figure moving about in waist high, luscious grass, the smell of the nearby farmyard, the huge, silent sky, deep blue, grazed by slow, white herds of faceless sheep, shepherded by a perfect sun. Here I stood, the universe before me. Red or orange ladybirds, their backs polka spotted, crawled everywhere, so common they could easily be caught and allowed walk across one's hand any summer's day. How long would they stay exploring palms? Then, wonder unfurling, their tiny wings came out from beneath their spotted jackets and took to imperfect, wandering flight. Bees that came and went in quiet concentration. Large black and yellow striped ones, their legs orange with pollen; their dowdy smaller cousins of the hive, always working, ceaselessly, filling the fields with gentle music. Their larder work-place, the countless white- petalled daisies to the edge of sight, the purple or green flowered clovers, the yellow ranks of dogweed, the tall thistles. Fence post, grey and solid, between them kept the cows from entering the garden. They stood gazing through with curiosity at this small creature, its blonde baby hair lying like a question unspoken, its hands reaching out to wet, grassy muzzles. Their hides of many colours, tan brown, black with white patterns, their tails, alive, flicking flies. Eyes, brown and long-lashed, stared through the divide. The world of the outside; the one of within. Brilliant colours filled my childhood world. Not the colours of a modern playroom, but the hues that nature bestowed around us and of which, then as now, I could never grow weary. For some, memory is a fading book, something tinged and edged with sadness. My recollections are long still and wide, from low among the grasses to the dizzy heights of eagles. Filled with the wonder, I am blessed and count my blessings."

SNIPPET: Only a fraction of the ancient Irish laws ("Brehon Laws") written down circa A.D. 700 survives today, although what remains of this law literature occupies five large volumes. Crith Gablach, one volume, defines the rights and privileges of the various ranks of society. All freemen were landowners. The brehon (Irish term for official lawgiver) catalogued elaborate subdivisions of each class according to property qualifications. Below is a detailed inventory of the contents of a home of a "boaire" or higher grade of freeman. The furnishings in the home of an aristocrat would be similar although more luxurious: All the furniture of his house is in its proper place -- a cauldron with its spit and handles, a vat in which a measure of ale may be brewed, a cauldron for everyday use, small vessels: iron pots and kneading trough and wooden mugs, so that he has no need to borrow them; a washing trough and a bath, tubs, candlesticks, knives for cutting rushes; rope, an adze, an auger, a pair of wooden shears, an axe; the work-tools for every season -- every one unborrowed; a whetstone, a bill-hook, a hatchet, spears for slaughtering livestock; a fire always alive, a candle on the candlestick without fail; a full ploughing outfit with all its equipment... There are two vessels in his house always: a vessel of milk and a vessel of ale. He is a man of three snouts: the snout of a rooting boar that cleaves dishonour in every season, the snout of a flitch of bacon on the hook, the snout of a plough under the ground; so that he is capable of receiving a king or a bishop or a scholar or a brehon from the road, prepared for the arrival of any guest-company. He owns seven houses: a kiln, a barn, a mill (a share in it so that it grinds for him), a house of twenty-seven feet, an outhouse of seventeen feet, a pig-stye, a pen for calves, a sheep-pen. He has twenty cows, two bulls, six oxen, twenty pigs, twenty sheep, four domestic boars, two sows, a saddle-horse, an enamelled bridle, sixteen bushels of seed in the ground. He has a bronze cauldron in which there is room for a boar. He possesses a green in which there are always sheep without having to change pasture. He and his wife have four suits of clothes. -- "The Irish, A Treasury of Art and Literature," ed. Leslie Conron Carola (1993) ISBN 0-8863-966-1.

SNIPPET: As a result of the Local Government Act of 1898, several townlands were transferred from Cos. Mayo (55) and Galway (18) to the county of Roscommon. For a full listing, check the Transferred Townland page at the Leitrim-Roscommon website.

My ancestor was Thomas PEGUM born c1808. He married Bridget and came to NZ 1847 as part of the Fencibles. Because he moved around so much with the regiment, I can't seem to find where he married Bridget or where their daughter Ellen was born. Does anyone else have PEGUM's in there family tree? Thank you Belinda

Hi Sandy, 1) Flood Unfortunately this name is Irish, Welsh, and English -- difficult to distinguish as many English, Welsh (and Scots) were encouraged to settle in Ireland in Plantation times (late 16th century) to displace the Catholic Irish. 1a) Irish Floods Flood was an anglicization of Mac Maoltuile, abbreviated to Mac an Tuile or simply Mac Tuile (tuile meant flood, but it also meant will [of God] which was probably the real source). Otherwise that name was rendered MacAtilla or MacTully. In Cavan and Louth a variant was Floody. 1b) Welsh Floods Welsh settlers in Ulster with the name Floyd ('grey') often became Flood (those in Munster tended to retain the Floyd). However, to confuse the issue, some Floods in Munster became Floyds! 1c) English Floods This Old English name means '(dweller by) the stream', i.e., Fleet. 2) Strand Another Old English name, meaning '(dweller by' the strand or shore') -- more commonly Stranders nowadays. It is not common in Ireland. Regards, David

Hello Mary Elizabeth, Thank you for your kind reply. I shall try the link and see where it takes me, Cheers Sandy Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Elizabeth Wagner" <catladymew@yahoo.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] STRAND and FLOOD > Try this link: > > > http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/surname/index.cfm >

>Steve If you put an irish brogue on MOORE, you come out with MAHER, MAHIR, MEAGHER etc. Also, where is 'here'?? ie what country are you in? David

Hello Don't forget that FreeBMD is a volunteer based project so not all the records are on there - not yet anyway, so if you don't find who you are looking for keep checking as it is updated quite regularly. Regards Carol Barber Freecen Co-ordinator for Yorkshire, Durham and Westmorland http://freecen.rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Teri100@aol.com [mailto:Teri100@aol.com] Sent: 04 February 2006 14:45 To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Surname puzzle _http://freebmd.rootsweb.com_ (http://freebmd.rootsweb.com) It's the birth, marriage & death indexes You can either view the images (like 1837.com) or search (like Ancestry.com) but whereas you will pay to join 1837, this one is free. Ancestry has a joining fee but you can access birth, marriage & deaths without having to join If you haven't been on the site before, there is an advert for Ancestry at the top of the page which isn't what you're looking for. Just scroll down the page till you find the buttons. Good luck Teresa ==== IRELAND Mailing List ==== Ireland Mailing List website..surname registry, links, lookup volunteers,unsubscribe, change your subscription from L to D or D to L http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/IrelandList/

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Mayo, Ireland Wednesday, May 15, 1850 EMIGRATION Numbers of the more independent of the farming class and of our artisans are daily seen wending their way alongside a baggage cart in the seaport from whence the emigrant ship is about to sail, leaving their homesteads and their friends, to seek in a foreign clime that which they despaired of finding in their native land. These are the class of people we want at home. They possess industry and capital, which we can badly spare, and they leave behind them the idle and indigent. Their departure is not alone the withdrawal of the resources of a country's stronghold, but is the infliction of a positive evil upon those who remain and have to endure the burden of the poor rates. We do not now allude to the landlords, through they must suffer from the loss of a good tenant, and the payment of rates for waste lands, but to the rate-payer generally. It is a well known fact that the small comfortable farmers so assist hundreds of poor family connections in some way or other that they are not forced by object poverty to seek workhouse relief. When those are gone their dependents have none to look to but the Relieving Officers. However, how much this or any other injury a country must sustain by the emigration of the most valued of its inhabitants may be regretted, no remedy remains for the evil but a legislation that will afford the inducements sufficient to counter balance those which now draw them off to a foreign land. MISCELLANEOUS -A cricket club was formed at Ballinasloe on Saturday, under the patronage of Lord Clancarty. - Dr. West has resigned his situation in the Longford Infirmary. - Two young women of the name of Ashe, sisters, were drowned on Friday near Lack, Dingle. - Several bottle-nose whales have gone ashore at Glanders, county Kerry. - There are four screw steamers now laid on between Waterford, Dublin, Belfast and London. - Tuesday night a cow, the property of William Fisher, Esq., of Charleville, was cut across the throat with a knife on the lands of that gentleman. - The Professors of the Queen's College, Galway, have contributed £25 toward the Packet Station there. - The City Dublin Steam Packet Company have a fleet of 27 steamers exceeding 100 tons each, beside several smaller vessels, on the Upper Shannon. - Wednesday last a man named John Coughlin, of Esker, near Banagher, died at the great age of 100 years. - Three thousand crates of window glass were imported to Dublin last week, to reduce the market price of that article, which had risen enormously since the late hurricane. - The Portadown Orangemen have dissolved their lodge, and agreed to burn their banners, conceiving themselves relieved from all obligation to the Crown and government. - Mrs. Eliza Byrne, of Camden-street, Dublin, died on Monday of fright and exhaustion from what she saw and suffered at Whitefriars-st. chapel, on Sunday, when the lunatic attacked the officiating priests. -The total number of petitions presented to the Commissioners for sale of Encumbered Estates, from the opening of the commission to the 3d May inst., was 668, and the number of sales to the 3d. inst. being 24. Aggregate amount of sales £70,085. - The largest vessel ever built in Ireland will be launched this month, from the building yard of the Cork Steam Ship Company, on the Glanmire road. She is to be called the "Pelican" and is to be propelled by the screw. She is over 800 tons burden. - Many Poor Law Boards of Guardians in many parts of Ireland have sown flax on part of the lands attached to the workhouse. Among others flax seed had been procured from Belfast for the Galway, Roscrea, Longford and Ennis unions, and the printed instructions of the society, for the management of the crop, had been sent to each. - The South Dublin Union Guardians have passed a resolution "That Mr. Byrne, a member of this Board, having said of the Rev. Thomas Kingston, Protestant Chaplain, that if he could he would kick out of the house the Roman Catholic members of this board - that Mr. Byrne be required to adduce evidence of his assertion, in order, if proved, to ulterior proceedings." - In the Galway division of Annadown, the Sub-Sheriff had cattle seized for rent due to Horace Rochford, Esq. by Captain Burke, and the day of sale was fixed on Saturday, when it was adjourned, and the stock sent to grass in Annadown. They were not there many minutes when the poor-rate collector had them re-seized, and advertised for £12 poor rates, due by Mr. Rochford, which sum the Sheriff had to pay. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Hello List, Two of my family going on census information from Manchester were born in Ireland. They seem to be rare names and I wonder if anyone could point me in the right direction as to where in Ireland I might start looking. I realise this is a vague question but I would be grateful for any help, Thank you, Sandy Australia

Hi Bob Thanks for the info, I'm sure I'm not the only one who wasn't aware of them all Teresa

Hello, Teresa I'm seeking information on John MORLEY, born May 1803, Waterford (St. Patrick's), Ireland. Is there any chance your MORLEYs connect to the Waterford MORLEYs? John MORLEY was a Private/Corporal in the British Army: 1st Regiment of Foot (2nd Battalion). He enlisted 25 May 1826 at Waterford and was discharged from service (due to illness) 18 June 1844 at Ennis Killen, Ireland. He served a total of 18+ years. Approx. 3 years were served in the East Indies and approx. 4 years in Canada. Any information on John MORLEY would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Ros Davies Canada -----Original Message----- From: Teri100@aol.com [mailto:Teri100@aol.com] Sent: February 3, 2006 12:43 PM To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Surname puzzle Hi Pete Thanks, I hadn't thought that the first letter could be T but as you said it does look similar to the T to the right of painter. You can't tell on the picture but it is the begining of "The mark of". The father's name does look like Adrienne but I think it's Edwin, spelt with two ns & with a squiggle on the end, I'm not sure why it's spelt like that, but on the other certificate he's down as Edward, (Edwin was the name I was looking for). Thank you so much for having a look, I'll try Threetop and see what I can come up with. Best wishes Teresa ______________________________

SNIPPET: Check out what the National Archives of Ireland website has to offer for researchers who visit their facility in Dublin. On the website home page is a lovely coloured advertisement dated Autumn 1892 for J. & L. F. GOODBODY, sack and twine manufacturers, Clara, Co. Offaly. Resources include various National School Roll Books/Registers received via the Department of Education for Cos. Cavan, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. School records received via private donation include Cos. Cavan, Carlow, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Sligo, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. I found that the easiest way for me to locate their school records page was to simply do a "Google" website search for National School Records. (I had problems locating it using their website index, but you may not.) . While I don't believe the personnel at the Archives do research for the general public, they do take queries, have tips on using their facility and apparently have a list of genealogists who do research on some materials for a fee. Jean

SNIPPET: USA newspaper death notices are an excellent source of new information, often will name surviving relatives and where they reside. If you have a death date you can send away for microfilmed copies of USA newspapers (with the help of your reference librarian) for the two days following a death. The librarian has reference books that tell what newspapers were in business in particular locations in particular time periods and where to obtain microfilmed copies of same for you to view. This often can be done through the free interlibrary loan program. If you don't have a definite date of death, but an idea of where and when it occurred, there are microfilmed state death indices divided by approximately 10-year increments in archival libraries and at your local LDS (Mormon) FHC that give name of deceased, age at death, spouse's name, date of death, location of death (you may have to rewind to location code at beginning of film). Best of all, they give the exact number of the death certificate. Names are alphabetical and soundexed. Contact the county historical society in the USA county in which your family resided. Offer them a donation in exchange for searching for documents on YOUR particular family. For $60, I received a treasure-trove of b/m/d extracts, wills, circa 1900 marriage applications (not to be confused with certificates) some with info.on the PARENTS of the bride and groom, newspaper accounts, land purchase records, old maps with names of landowners, cemetery records, a court case involving land partition, photocopied pages from old county history books and their county periodicals with my surnames highlighted. Consider subscribing to the periodical they publish. Not only will you enjoy receiving copies containing the history of the county, but the volunteers are even more likely to go all out for you to help you find documents regarding your families. Their periodicals have an everyname index in their winter issues. Bottom line - US county historical society volunteers are VERY familiar with every aspect of "their" county --- its history, records, published family histories and area-specific materials. They are in the best position to ferret out any and all documents. Their periodicals contain transcriptions of old county deed books, church records, diaries, membership lists of fraternal organizations, school records, etc. The county historical society volunteer went through years of back issues of their periodical looking for my surnames, photocopied same and sent to me. She also checked old maps with the names of settlers and sent me a copy of a circa 1870 map showing several of my families living as neighbors in Delaware Co. IN. I was amazed to discover some of my humble IN farming families were written up in an old county history book at my local genealogy library. Not only were they early settlers, but they belonged to particular agricultural, fraternal, religious and occupational organizations. One held office, and two were volunteers in the American Civil War. I also also found out that my librarian could send away for additional books not found at my local library via the free interlibrary loan program.. While at your local genealogy library, check also for any issues of periodicals historical societies have published. You just can't beat the microfilmed USA Federal censuses for data. The latest one to be released to the public is 1930. The 1920 one seems to give more exact information on place of birth of self, each parent. The later censuses give date of immigration, whether alien or naturalized, date of naturalization, or years in USA. May indicate "pa" for papers, indicating they have initiating citizenship. Some censuses indicate years married, whether married previously, number of children born, number of children still living, all great clues for genealogists. Note -- Some states also took local censuses in the years between the federal censuses. One of my favorite record sets is the microfilmed USA/Canada border-crossing St. Albans (VT) records. Cards of data were generated each time an alien crossed the border and have been microfilmed front and back. The Soundex film is for the 1895-circa 1924 time period, but I did find 1925 data on my father. Although the records were stored in Vermont they pertain to aliens crossing the border back and/or forth at ANY point along the ENTIRE border. Persons with the same surname (and variations) for that entire time period are grouped together on one or two films depending on how common the surname is. They are most often listed by their first name, middle name (or initial) and surname, but look also for other combinations. They might be listed by the initials of their given names and then their surname, or perhaps they gave their middle name. In any case, there should be enough information for you to be able to quickly spot "your" relatives. Data includes name of any ship, port, date connected with travel, which can lead you to a second microfilm of ship manifests! Given also is their last address, the date when last in the USA, name and address of a relative or friend in the "old" country, same at "intended destination." Age, date of birth, where born is given, personal description (color of hair, eyes, > height, scars, health), names and ages of travelling companions, reason for travel (visit/permanent), etc. I don't believe parents' names are given, but the name of the person paying for the trip is, and in the case of a young person it may be the father or another relative. These films can be found in archival libraries (M1461) and at your local LDS (Mormon) FHC. If you have trouble locating the St. Albans record set at your local LDS FHC on their Library Holdings CD try entering film number 1472801, that will bring up information on these and similar records. Even if you don't know of a family connection to Canada (as I did not) take a chance on these records. I would especially encourage anyone whose families settled in the northern USA states, in particular, to explore these border-crossing films For a film rental fee of less than four dollars (LDS FHC), I was able to spot several of my FORD relatives as they traveled from England by steamer, got off in Quebec City, Canada, boarded a Canadian Pacific Railway train and entered the USA at different places along the border. Some went back up into Canada to work, to honeymoon, were briefly there on their way back to visit relatives in England. Two of my uncles, crossed the Atlantic from Liverpool as children just a few months before the "Titanic" sank. I found their record on the St. Albans film and because it gave me the name of the ship, port, date, I was able to find their ship's manifest on another microfilm. The St. Albans microfilms are also located in branches of the National Library (USA) and likely Canada has something similar. I also found some relatives at the Ellis Island (NY) website as they traveled back and forth. Remember, they may have made a trip back "to the old country" after emigrating! Jean

Re. the Surname query. Although you may have solved it, I would suggest a look at a street directory for the area and see if there are any other names ending in 'op'. If possible , a search of schools for when the girl was younger might provide a clue, as would electoral registers. However, these depend upon whether man and wife were from, and stayed in the same area. Brian Magaoidh http://ulster.failteromhat.com/ --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses!