Thank you all for your help, I can see this one wont be easy. Jackie. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <jeanrice@cet.com> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] McAniff, McNiff -- census help please on McEnuff > Hi Jackie -- Be sure and add McANIFF surname to your search for McNiff, > McEniff. Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david dowd" <david.dowd@tesco.net> > To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:08 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] census help please on McEnuff > > >> Dear Jackie, >> couldn't find the McEnuffs in Ireland but: >> Mac Conduibh ('black hound'; the 'd' was often elided) has been rendered >> Caddo, Cunniff, Kinniff, MacAdoo, MacCunniff, MacEndoo, MacKenniff, >> MacNiff -- so McEnuff might be yet another version, in which case look >> in Connacht and west Ulster. >> >> Regards, David >> > > ______________________________

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SNIPPET: Lying between the natural boundaries of the Wicklow mountains on the east and the River Barrow on the west, Kildare is a relatively prosperous county (one of its villages is actually named "Prosperous") with large cattle and sheep farms, and a strong tradition of stud farming linked to the famous race-course at the Curragh. Before the arrival of the Normans, the region was part of the territories of the O'BYRNEs and O'TOOLEs. Following the granting of the county to the Norman FITZGERALDs, they were forced to migrate east, into the barren and impregnable Wicklow mountains. The FITZGERALDs became earls of Kildare and later, Dukes of Leinster, and were virtual rulers of Ireland up to the 16th century. Prosperous, Co. Kildare, was the site of a cotton spinning factory established circa 1780 by Richard BROOKE. The Irish parliament, anxious to promote industrial development and also attracted by the prospect of relocating part of the capital's disorderly artisan population to a safe distance, made substantial loans and grants, but the venture collapsed in 1786.

SNIPPET: Notes of English Victorian traveller, Richard LOVETT, were first published in 1888 by the Religious Tract Society. .... "The Torc Waterfall is a fine fall, some sixty feet in height, situated in a ravine called Owengariff. It is most easily reached from Killarney by the Kenmare Road. Having enjoyed the lovely scenery of Killarney, no traveller who can spare the time should fail to visit Valentia By this trip some of the most interesting and characteristic portions of Kerry are to be seen, notably what is known as the Mountain Drive, along the shores of Dingle Bay, Glenbeagh, late of eviction notoriety, Valentia Island, and, above all, the coast with its islands, preeminent among these being the Skelligs. It is possible to go from Killarney to Killorglin by train, and thence by omnibus or car to Cahirsiveen. But the best way for any one who wishes to see typical men and things is to go by mail-car. In many parts of Ireland these most convenient conveyances run. They are not luxurious, their cushions are often hard and well-worn, they are not infrequently heavily laden with parcels! -post impedimenta and other mail baggage; and he who travels by them must be prepared to rough it a little, and to be considered possibly a trifle plebeian in his tastes. But for all the things there are ample compensations. They are fast; they are cheap; each car has a driver thoroughly familiar with the country he traverses, and almost invariably civil, obliging, and communicative; the passengers are generally typical peasants, and all along the route little incidents happen, slight in themselves, but of peculiar interest oftentimes to the observant traveller, because they enable him to see the people as they are in themselves, and while engaged in their daily avocations. Just as the ordinary Norwegian steamer is a better conveyance for those who wish to study that interesting people, than the special tourist vessels that run to the North Cape, so the mail-car gives many a trait, life-study, amusing incident, or friendly chat, utterly unknown to those who journey in Ir! eland only by special car or by tourist-crowded coach or omnibus. But he who goes from Killarney to Valentia by mail-car has to get up early. It is timed to leave the post-office at 5:30 A.M., and does so, unless detained by the mail-train being late, a state of affairs which the writer knows by experience occasionally happens. This particular route is traversed daily by a 'long car,' that is, one that needs two horses, can carry about a dozen passengers and a heavy load of mail. The first stage is to Killorglin, about thirteen miles, and after the northern end of Lough Leane has been passed, on the left hand the Reeks present a series of exceedingly fine mountain views. From the broad expanse of morass and bog they rise rapidly and boldly, the lower slopes being rounded and massive, but the upper peaks exhibiting a series of wild and craggy pinnacles. Killorglin has nothing attractive about it, except its fine situation above the Laune, which is here crossed by a bridge leading to Milltown and Castlemaine. Beyond Killorglin the road! rises by a long ascent, which gradually brings into view Dingle Bay and the range of hills along its northern shore. Six mile on a steep descent, along the valley of the Caragh, leads to Caragh Bridge, which crosses a wild mountain stream rushing down from Lough Caragh. The district does not belie its appearance; it is a noted spot for salmon and trout fishing. Passing through Glenbeagh, the road gradually ascends, and, on turning the shoulder of a hill, the face of the slope high above the sea level. The mountains of Clare on the further shore of the bay are all in full view. Perhaps the chief drawback is the singular absence of shipping, hardly a fishing-boat even being in sight. Leaving the sea, a broad valley is traversed, with mountains on either side, and crossing Carhan Bridge, Cahirsiveen comes into view. Close to the bridge is a ruined house, of which part of the walls, overgrown with ivy, remain. Her the renowned Daniel O'CONNELL was born. Cahirsiveen is ! a poor but apparently thriving little town. It lies embosomed in a bold mountainous country. It is 38 miles from Killarney, and few mail-car rids in Ireland so well repay the fatigue involved in their accomplishment. Valentia Island, or rather the ferry, is three miles beyond Cahirsiveen ... "

Hi folks The following records were added to the Lurgan Ancestry website. 1901 CENSUS: Portadown Urban. Approximatley 40 pages or 800 names have been added, including famous streets of Portadown such as Garvaghy Road. These new editions along with the thousands of other records, directories and valuations are free to everyone and can be accessed and searched (with an on site search engine) by going to; www.lurganancestry.net regards. Martin. Lurgan Ancestry

Dear Jackie, couldn't find the McEnuffs in Ireland but: Mac Conduibh ('black hound'; the 'd' was often elided) has been rendered Caddo, Cunniff, Kinniff, MacAdoo, MacCunniff, MacEndoo, MacKenniff, MacNiff -- so McEnuff might be yet another version, in which case look in Connacht and west Ulster. Regards, David

Hi Jackie -- Be sure and add McANIFF surname to your search for McNiff, McEniff. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "david dowd" <david.dowd@tesco.net> To: <IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:08 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] census help please on McEnuff > Dear Jackie, > couldn't find the McEnuffs in Ireland but: > Mac Conduibh ('black hound'; the 'd' was often elided) has been rendered > Caddo, Cunniff, Kinniff, MacAdoo, MacCunniff, MacEndoo, MacKenniff, > MacNiff -- so McEnuff might be yet another version, in which case look > in Connacht and west Ulster. > > Regards, David >

_http://www.irishnewspaperarchives.com/browse.aspx_ (http://www.irishnewspaperarchives.com/browse.aspx) This the one I use MaryPat

Hello Edna, Is so funny you should mention Fitzmorris, as was my first thought when you sent your first querie! I definitely think it could be Fitzmorris/Fitzmaurice!!! And thinking about how it sounds with the brogue....is MORE than possible! Good luck to you, Janet --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos

Hi List, Trying to find out where in Ireland my McEnuff's came from. Peter McEnuff aged 60 , born Ireland, was in Preston, Lancashire with wife Sarah ,48 born Ireland, son John , 17, daughters Bridget 21, Jane 13, all born Ireland. This info from 1861 census England. If anyone can help me with above family, would be very grateful. Thank you for your time. Jackie.

Diana, <<I missed the address for Irish newspaper archives could someone print it again. http://www.irishnewspaperarchives.com/ Joan

I missed the address for Irish newspaper archives could someone print it again. thank you diana

SNIPPET: Per Richard LOVETT, English traveller to Ireland in 1888: "The trip from Dublin to Bantry is made by the main line of the Great Southern and Western Railway as far as Cork, and by this route some very beautiful country and some famous places are seen. Kilkenny and Cashel, Kilcolman and Youghal, Cork and Queenstown, the Golden Vale and Bantry Bay all lie either in our path or can be seen with a very slight expenditure of time and trouble. The first stopping-place of the fast express is at Kildare, the Church of the Oak, the place where, under the shelter of an oak many centuries ago, St. Brigid built her cell. She was born near Dundalk, about 450 A.D., and founded in 484 a great religious house at Kildare, consisting of both monks and nuns. It is said that from the sixth to the thirteenth centuries, a fire, lighted by Brigid, was kept burning. The site of the cell in which it burned is still pointed out. She died about 525. For ages past a cathedral, dedica! ted to her, as stood on an elevated site in the town. On the dissolution of the religious houses it fell into a ruined condition, but in recent years attempts have been made to restore, or rather to rebuild it. The tower has been rebuilt and the nave is roofed in. The choir is now used as a parish church; but although much has been done to the nave and tower, they are yet very far from completion. Close by the church stands the round tower. It has been restored at the top, but unfortunately a turreted parapet has been substituted for the correct conical roof. The tower is in good preservation, is 130 feet high, and has a doorway which exhibits unusual features of interest. It is about fifteen feet from the ground, and consists of three concentric arches, ornamented with fine zig-zag mouldings. From the churchyard a fine view to the north and west is obtained, a conspicuous feature being the Chair of Kildare, a limestone mass on the hill called Grange. Kildare is a j! unction for Carlow, Kilkenny and Waterford. The old town of Kilkenny is well worth a visit, because of its fine situation on 'The stubborn Newre, whose waters gray, By faire Kilkenny and Rossepointe boord,' because of the part it played in Irish history, and because of the architectural treasures it yet possesses. Well situated on an elevation overlooking the Nore, stands the castle which was originally built by William, Earl of Pembroke, 1195. It was purchased by James Butler, third Earl of Ormonde. In 1399 Richard II, was entertained here, and in March, 1650, Cromwell captured it. Within very recent years it has been thoroughly restored, although for centuries very little of the original building has been in existence. Kilkenny in its name commemorates one of the early Christian teachers. The name means the Church of Cainnech or Canice, who was born in 517, and died in 600. He was also venerated in Scotland, under the name of Kenneth, and several churches in Argyle! shire are named after him. The Cathedral of St. Canice is one of the best in Ireland, and, though named after the saint, is of course of a much later date. It was begun about 1180, and completed in the course of the next century. It is 226 feet long and 123 feet wide at the transepts. From the juncture of the nave and transepts a low but massive tower rises. The cathedral has a very fine western door; it contains many tombs, especially those of members of the Ormonde family. Near the south transept rises a round tower, perfect, with the exception of the conical roof. Several Parliaments met here, the most notorious being that which passed in 1367 what were known as the Kilkenny Statutes, one of which enacted that marriage with the 'mere Irish' was treason, and that any one using the Irish dress or language should forfeit his lands!"

OK, one more possibility that I want to run by you listers, as I have gotten some really good responses (as usual). Fitzjarris - would it be more likely understood as Fitzharris or Fitzmorris, provided it was spoken with a strong Gaelic accent? Edna in COLD, WINDY Kansas...I think winter is making a late arrival!

I am checking the BIVRI for your ancestors .. From Google _Royal Norfolk Regiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia_ (http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/redir?src=websearch&requestId=5c1e590d1a91265f&clickedItemRank=3& userQuery=Norfolk+Regiment+in+Ireland&clickedItemURN=http://en.wikipedia.org/w iki/The_Norfolk_Regiment&title=Royal+Norfolk+Regiment+-+Wikipedia,+the+free+en cyclopedia) Country:, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. Allegiance: ... The Royal Norfolk Regiment, orignally formed as the Norfolk Regiment, was a regiment ..._http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Norfolk_Regiment_ (http://e n.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Norfolk_Regiment) From my own experience children born to military will be registered in the military records in England and not the civil registration of the town .. From what I have been told their records are wonderful .. My English cousins are checking for our grandfather .. William CONNORS b. Athlone 1851 at Norfolk Regt quarters. Father Timothy. Only William with father Timothy that shows up .. CONNORS, William Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 1 Dec 1870 Birthplace: 351, Milford, Cork, Ire Recorded in: Cork, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Timothy CONNORS Mother: Eliza HANNAN Source: FHL Film 255816 Dates: 1869 - 1872 grandmother GERTRUDE CONNORS b. Limerick 1882 - No Listing wife's gg grandfather Thomas DRISCOLL b. Cork c. 1800-1810 - .. Lots of Thomas Driscolls in Cork but not in this time period Listing starts with 1864 MaryPat

Hi Folks Here's the latest very interesting email straight from the horse's mouth, as we say in Oz. Seems we've put a spanner in the works with our onslaught of the site! <G> Patience is the key. ***With regard to the website it is still a few weeks away from having all the functions up and running. It really has not been launched yet. You will be able to chose your title for search hopefully by the end of the week. The image quality is not what it was either and we are working on that. If you are in correspondence with any of your colleagues it would be great if you could let them not that the site is still under construction. One reason the site is still free is because we have not finalized some issues yet. In fact we may take the site down as we have generated a lot of hits and we don't want people to think this is the final product.*** Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia

Hi Gai, The BIVRI are the British Isles Index and cover England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales . THe CD's that I have cover 1530 to 1906 and is only a partial listing of what the Family History Center (LDS) has .. What I have found so far is that the older dates are maily in England and most of the Ireland records start in 1860's .. There are some older in Ireland but not that many .. I have only been able to find my paternal grandmother and her brothers births in Mayo and I know many others had been registered .. Checked for John Lindsay born in Co Down in 1829 with no luck .. One in 1813 and then they start in 1864 ..Going to the Family Search site may give you more information. MaryPat

BIVR is BIVRI2 which is: British Isles Vital Records Index #2 Visit the LDS/FHC website http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp The URL for the actual page that describes the BIVRI2 disk set is at: http://tinyurl.com/bveal Double click the the file name on this page and a side window will open describing the disk set. Only costs USD$20.00 Best deal you will ever get in genealogy software. Bob ============================================== Darkwing wrote: <SNIP> Could someone please tell me what the BIVR is please.

I was able to get on today (2/14), sign in and search the archives. You are awarded 10 credits when you register and then I don't know what will happen after they are gone. But I was able to do a search of my family and got 59 hits on one name alone! Then the actual newspaper pages loaded in adobe. Was able to magnify and read. Great!! Hope it lasts a while. Good luck. Try again! It is worth it. Maureen

looking for McKernan/Mckeirnan but only have a name Joseph and born 1921/22/23 don't know where in Ireland worked in Edinburgh 1942. Marjorie