Could someone please tell me if it was unusual for a daughter to be the first to leave Ireland? I'm trying to determine who came first, my maternal grandfather, or his sister. I know when he came, but I can't seem to trace his sister nor do I know her age. I suspect she was older as my grandfather is the only sibling listed in the Civil Registration listings. Since he recieved his citizenship papers in Baltimore and his sister, Mary, lived in Philadelphia, I am now wondering why she would have come to Philadelphia unless another relative was already there. I have been unable to find much information on this McKERNAN/McKIERNAN family from Co. Leitrim. Any ideas? Thanks. Mary Elizabeth RESEARCHING: McKERNAN/McKIERNAN in Co. Antrim and Co. Leitrim; McALLISTER in Co. Antrim; MULDOWNEY in Co.Kilkenny; and KEARNEY in Co. Louth ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/

Hi Peggy - Check out the posts on Brownrigg-L archives (Rootsweb) or try "googling" Brownrigg Irish Deeds. Let me know off list if you can't find it. There is a Canadian query and a couple more. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/MORRIS > Hi Jean, > I think the first option presented sounds the most likely, due to the > tombstone inscription mentioning Mullins, Kilcommon Parish, Co.Wicklow. > Who wrote the 2006 note? > I think my Brownriggs were moderately well-off as they had land in Quebec > and were one of the better known names in the L'Acadie area. Their son > Richard is my ggg grandfather. <snip>

Dear Listers, On the basis of the 1901 Census for Liverpool and the marriage certificate of her son, John Burke, I have been able to piece together a family story. Bridget -------- was born in Ireland about 1847/8, of a Catholic family.Sometime between 1863-1879 (most probably 1879) she was married to Edward Burke, a Clothier, in Ireland, and her first son, John, was born about 1870. Their next son, Edward, born in 1872, was, according to the 1901 Census, "feeble-minded from childhood". Then sometime between 1873 and 1887 the family emigrated to Liverpool, where another son, Michael Burke, was born to JEdward Burke in Irelandin the September Quarter of 1887. From this time on the family appears to have prospered in Liverpool (details if required). I would like to ask listers if anyone can trace the birth records of John Burke born abt 1870 and Edward Burke born about 1872 , and from these I might also be able to find out Bridget's Maiden name and trace her marriage to Edward Burke. Yours Sincerely, Paul Newbury

Jimmy Burke, a Waterford man, has written a book on the Burke family "The "History and Genealogy of De Burgh - De Burca - Burke. I don't have the ISBN number but it was released in 2007. This may be of interest to you. Regards Philippa ----- Original Message----- On Behalf Of Paul Newbury Sent: 18 September 2007 11:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRELAND] The Burke family Dear Listers, On the basis of the 1901 Census for Liverpool and the marriage certificate of her son, John Burke, I have been able to piece together a family story. Bridget -------- was born in Ireland about 1847/8, of a Catholic family.

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Hi Jean, I think the first option presented sounds the most likely, due to the tombstone inscription mentioning Mullins, Kilcommon Parish, Co.Wicklow. Who wrote the 2006 note? I think my Brownriggs were moderately well-off as they had land in Quebec and were one of the better known names in the L'Acadie area. Their son Richard is my ggg grandfather. He was married 3 times, and the family gossip says that he married firstly Margaret Meggison for her wealth. Some of the Meggison land is still in the family but unfortunately, I seem to be done out of it. It was willed to the 4th generation which included my father, but as he moved out west, they just forgot about him and others that moved somewhere else. I once calculated that my share would be about 3 acres in the town of St.Blaise-sur-Richelieu near St. Jean, Quebec, just south of Montreal. At $5000 an acre, that is.... Thanks for your information Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/MORRIS > Hi, Peggy - Googling IreAtlas, I played around with all-Ireland townland > search engine. Your tombstone information seemed to be pretty much > confirmed. ****There are Mullans (not Mullins) North and South townlands > in > Co. Wicklow in the Ballinacor South Barony, Kilcommon Civil Parish, PLU > (nearest large town) of Shillelagh. Mullans North is 548 acres and Mullans > South is 536 acres. The Tinahely Town mentioned "nearby" is in the > Tinahely > townland of 216 acres, also in the CP of Shillelagh. This sounds pretty > promising. (Muddying the waters is that there is also a Mullans townland > in > Co. Wicklow in the Barony of Upper Talbotstown, Civil Parish of > Rathsallagh, > and Poor Law Union of Baltinglass, but that doesn't jive with your > tombstone > inscription. Perhaps muddying the waters, could be your reference to > Shillelagh Town, Co. Wicklow, which is Shillelagh Barony, in the Civil > Parish of Carnew, PLU of Shillelagh. There are many townlands in Cos. > Wicklow and Mayo in Kilcommon CP, but probably should go with your > tombstone > inscription. > > No reply to that December 2006 Ancestry.com "deed" note that I could see, > but you could get in touch with the lady who wrote it. > > On the 1876 Land Survey of Co. Wicklow of those who owned an acre or more > only) there are two BROWNRIGGs named: Survey was returned by > representatives of H. J. BROWNRIGG, no address given (he may have been > recently deceased; if so, there should be a will). He apparently owned > 173+ > acres in Co. Wicklow valued at 225 pounds. He didn't necessarily have to > live in Wicklow to have property there, many well-to-do landowners owned > property in several counties or even another country. Anyway, the second > person on the land survey was a William H. BROWNRIGG, his address given as > "The Strand, Bray," who owned a little over one acre of apparently more > valuable land worth 427 pounds even. There was one MORRIS gentleman on > the > survey - John MORRIS who gave his address as Windgates, Bray, owned 462+ > acres in Co. Wicklow valued at 515 pounds 10 shillings. These gentleman > may/may not have any connection to your own line, however, as their > location > (Bray) doesn't jive with your tombstone. Just a brief check of the > Internet > seemed to indicate some early BROWNRIGGs in Co. Wicklow with ties to North > Carolina and papers and wills at Chapel Hill University). Those don't > seem > to jive with your FH, either, no mention of Canada. You might want to > investigate the civil parish information (for a fee) for the BROWNRIGGs of > Co. Wicklow at ireland.com/ancestor/. Do you believe your BROWNRIGGs were > well-off? Jean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:04 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - (MORRIS?) > > >> Hi Jean, >> That is the right family! Does this mean that the Brownrigg home still >> exists? I have been to L'Acadie and seen William's gravestone but have >> been >> unable to ascertain his parentage for certain, despite hiring a >> genealogist >> in Ireland. I did a typo on the Morris bit. It was Jane Morris. Was there >> follow-up to this note? >> Peggy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:04 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - (MORRIS?) >> >> >>> Hi Peggy - I just happened to spot a note from Dec. 2006 on the >>> Ancestry.com >>> BROWNRIGG surname board under the heading of "Brownrigg Irish Deeds." >>> Could >>> this be your kin - BROWNRIGG with a MORRIS instead of a NORRIS? Seems >>> to >>> have some similarities. Jean >>> >>> Note read: "You may already have this...but, William BROWNRIGG's >>> tombstone >>> in L'Acadie, Quebec reflects his birth in "Mullins, Kilcommon Parish, >>> County >>> Wicklow." According to the neighbors, the big stone house in Mullins, >>> just >>> north of Tinahely, is the "BROWNRIGG" home, and the MORRIS family owned >>> land >>> there also. (Jane MORRIS) >>> William BROWNRIGG b. abt. 1787 >>> Jane MORRIS B. abt. 1787 >>> Their children married Leggett's, Twamley's and Smith's." >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 3:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE >>> >>> >>>> That is very interesting, Jean. Thank you so much for this information. >>>> I >>>> will have to >>>> follow-up on these things. >>>> Thanks again >>>> Peggy >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:15 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Peggy - BROWNRIGG, another fascinating surname. You may have this >>>>> already, but from data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ - In the primary >>>>> valuation (1848-64) there were 55 BROWNRIGG and 2 BROWNRIGGE >>>>> households >>>>> recorded in Ireland. BROWNRIGG: Co. Wexford had 18; Dublin city 8; >>>>> Co. >>>>> Dublin 7; Co. Carlow 6; Co. Waterford and Co. Kilkenny had 5 each, Co. >>>>> Wicklow with 3; Cos. Kildare, Limerick and Galway each with 1. Of the >>>>> two >>>>> BROWNRIGGE households, one was in Co. Kildare and one in Co. Wicklow. >>>>> <snip> >>> >>>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:14 AM >>>>> Subject: [IRELAND] Lookup request - Johnston and Brownrigg >>>>> >>>>>> ..... Another branch of the family emigrated in 1823 from Co. >>>>>> Wicklow. >>>>>> Maybe it >>>>>> would be more correct to say that he settled in Quebec in 1823. >>>>>> This >>>>>> was >>>>>> William Brownrigg, with wife Jane (nee Norris). and six children, >>>>>> William >>>>>> Jr., Richard, Catherine, Jane, Susannah, and Stephen. There may have >>>>>> been >>>>>> a >>>>>> Frances. William was born 1785 and Jane in 1787. >>>>>> Thanks so much for your help. >>>>>> Peggy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Peggy - Googling IreAtlas, I played around with all-Ireland townland search engine. Your tombstone information seemed to be pretty much confirmed. ****There are Mullans (not Mullins) North and South townlands in Co. Wicklow in the Ballinacor South Barony, Kilcommon Civil Parish, PLU (nearest large town) of Shillelagh. Mullans North is 548 acres and Mullans South is 536 acres. The Tinahely Town mentioned "nearby" is in the Tinahely townland of 216 acres, also in the CP of Shillelagh. This sounds pretty promising. (Muddying the waters is that there is also a Mullans townland in Co. Wicklow in the Barony of Upper Talbotstown, Civil Parish of Rathsallagh, and Poor Law Union of Baltinglass, but that doesn't jive with your tombstone inscription. Perhaps muddying the waters, could be your reference to Shillelagh Town, Co. Wicklow, which is Shillelagh Barony, in the Civil Parish of Carnew, PLU of Shillelagh. There are many townlands in Cos. Wicklow and Mayo in Kilcommon CP, but probably should go with your tombstone inscription. No reply to that December 2006 Ancestry.com "deed" note that I could see, but you could get in touch with the lady who wrote it. On the 1876 Land Survey of Co. Wicklow of those who owned an acre or more only) there are two BROWNRIGGs named: Survey was returned by representatives of H. J. BROWNRIGG, no address given (he may have been recently deceased; if so, there should be a will). He apparently owned 173+ acres in Co. Wicklow valued at 225 pounds. He didn't necessarily have to live in Wicklow to have property there, many well-to-do landowners owned property in several counties or even another country. Anyway, the second person on the land survey was a William H. BROWNRIGG, his address given as "The Strand, Bray," who owned a little over one acre of apparently more valuable land worth 427 pounds even. There was one MORRIS gentleman on the survey - John MORRIS who gave his address as Windgates, Bray, owned 462+ acres in Co. Wicklow valued at 515 pounds 10 shillings. These gentleman may/may not have any connection to your own line, however, as their location (Bray) doesn't jive with your tombstone. Just a brief check of the Internet seemed to indicate some early BROWNRIGGs in Co. Wicklow with ties to North Carolina and papers and wills at Chapel Hill University). Those don't seem to jive with your FH, either, no mention of Canada. You might want to investigate the civil parish information (for a fee) for the BROWNRIGGs of Co. Wicklow at ireland.com/ancestor/. Do you believe your BROWNRIGGs were well-off? Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - (MORRIS?) > Hi Jean, > That is the right family! Does this mean that the Brownrigg home still > exists? I have been to L'Acadie and seen William's gravestone but have > been > unable to ascertain his parentage for certain, despite hiring a > genealogist > in Ireland. I did a typo on the Morris bit. It was Jane Morris. Was there > follow-up to this note? > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:04 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - (MORRIS?) > > >> Hi Peggy - I just happened to spot a note from Dec. 2006 on the >> Ancestry.com >> BROWNRIGG surname board under the heading of "Brownrigg Irish Deeds." >> Could >> this be your kin - BROWNRIGG with a MORRIS instead of a NORRIS? Seems to >> have some similarities. Jean >> >> Note read: "You may already have this...but, William BROWNRIGG's >> tombstone >> in L'Acadie, Quebec reflects his birth in "Mullins, Kilcommon Parish, >> County >> Wicklow." According to the neighbors, the big stone house in Mullins, >> just >> north of Tinahely, is the "BROWNRIGG" home, and the MORRIS family owned >> land >> there also. (Jane MORRIS) >> William BROWNRIGG b. abt. 1787 >> Jane MORRIS B. abt. 1787 >> Their children married Leggett's, Twamley's and Smith's." >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 3:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE >> >> >>> That is very interesting, Jean. Thank you so much for this information. >>> I >>> will have to >>> follow-up on these things. >>> Thanks again >>> Peggy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:15 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE >>> >>> >>>> Hi Peggy - BROWNRIGG, another fascinating surname. You may have this >>>> already, but from data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ - In the primary >>>> valuation (1848-64) there were 55 BROWNRIGG and 2 BROWNRIGGE households >>>> recorded in Ireland. BROWNRIGG: Co. Wexford had 18; Dublin city 8; >>>> Co. >>>> Dublin 7; Co. Carlow 6; Co. Waterford and Co. Kilkenny had 5 each, Co. >>>> Wicklow with 3; Cos. Kildare, Limerick and Galway each with 1. Of the >>>> two >>>> BROWNRIGGE households, one was in Co. Kildare and one in Co. Wicklow. >>>> <snip> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:14 AM >>>> Subject: [IRELAND] Lookup request - Johnston and Brownrigg >>>> >>>>> ..... Another branch of the family emigrated in 1823 from Co. >>>>> Wicklow. >>>>> Maybe it >>>>> would be more correct to say that he settled in Quebec in 1823. This >>>>> was >>>>> William Brownrigg, with wife Jane (nee Norris). and six children, >>>>> William >>>>> Jr., Richard, Catherine, Jane, Susannah, and Stephen. There may have >>>>> been >>>>> a >>>>> Frances. William was born 1785 and Jane in 1787. >>>>> Thanks so much for your help. >>>>> Peggy

Thanks Philippa Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philippa Coady" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] The Burke family > Jimmy Burke, a Waterford man, has written a book on the Burke family "The > "History and Genealogy of De Burgh - De Burca - Burke. I don't have the > ISBN number but it was released in 2007. This may be of interest to you. > > Regards > Philippa > > ----- > > Original Message----- > On Behalf Of Paul Newbury > Sent: 18 September 2007 11:32 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRELAND] The Burke family > > Dear Listers, > On the basis of the 1901 Census for Liverpool and the marriage certificate > of her son, John Burke, I have been able to piece together a family story. > Bridget -------- was born in Ireland about 1847/8, of a Catholic family. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm not sure how interwoven the various genealogy lists are so if this is a duplicate please forgive. Isaac's son Elliott Andrews'(Andrus) Death Certificate lists his birthplace as Rhinebeck, NY and his father's name as Isaac. Elliott was born there in 1805. I am having a lot of trouble getting anywhere finding more info on Isaac. Can anyone help? Thanks. Jim Carroll ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hello Paul, I have been trying to trace a marriage for an Etta Mary Spence whom my cousin says married a Burke, although he was uncertain if Burke was a first or last name, but I think last name. Do you have any record of a Burke emigrating to Ontario, Canada and marrying Etta? Etta was born in 1875. Regards Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Newbury" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 2:31 AM Subject: [IRELAND] The Burke family > Dear Listers, > On the basis of the 1901 Census for Liverpool and the marriage certificate > of her son, John Burke, I have been able to piece together a family story. > Bridget -------- was born in Ireland about 1847/8, of a Catholic > family.Sometime between 1863-1879 (most probably 1879) she was married to > Edward Burke, a Clothier, in Ireland, and her first son, John, was born > about 1870. Their next son, Edward, born in 1872, was, according to the > 1901 Census, "feeble-minded from childhood". > Then sometime between 1873 and 1887 the family emigrated to Liverpool, > where another son, Michael Burke, was born to JEdward Burke in Irelandin > the September Quarter of 1887. From this time on the family appears to > have prospered in Liverpool (details if required). > I would like to ask listers if anyone can trace the birth records of John > Burke born abt 1870 and Edward Burke born about 1872 , and from these I > might also be able to find out Bridget's Maiden name and trace her > marriage to Edward Burke. > Yours Sincerely, > Paul Newbury > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Jean, That is the right family! Does this mean that the Brownrigg home still exists? I have been to L'Acadie and seen William's gravestone but have been unable to ascertain his parentage for certain, despite hiring a genealogist in Ireland. I did a typo on the Morris bit. It was Jane Morris. Was there follow-up to this note? Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 2:04 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - (MORRIS?) > Hi Peggy - I just happened to spot a note from Dec. 2006 on the > Ancestry.com > BROWNRIGG surname board under the heading of "Brownrigg Irish Deeds." > Could > this be your kin - BROWNRIGG with a MORRIS instead of a NORRIS? Seems to > have some similarities. Jean > > Note read: "You may already have this...but, William BROWNRIGG's > tombstone > in L'Acadie, Quebec reflects his birth in "Mullins, Kilcommon Parish, > County > Wicklow." According to the neighbors, the big stone house in Mullins, just > north of Tinahely, is the "BROWNRIGG" home, and the MORRIS family owned > land > there also. (Jane MORRIS) > William BROWNRIGG b. abt. 1787 > Jane MORRIS B. abt. 1787 > Their children married Leggett's, Twamley's and Smith's." > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 3:22 PM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE > > >> That is very interesting, Jean. Thank you so much for this information. I >> will have to >> follow-up on these things. >> Thanks again >> Peggy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:15 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE >> >> >>> Hi Peggy - BROWNRIGG, another fascinating surname. You may have this >>> already, but from data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ - In the primary >>> valuation (1848-64) there were 55 BROWNRIGG and 2 BROWNRIGGE households >>> recorded in Ireland. BROWNRIGG: Co. Wexford had 18; Dublin city 8; Co. >>> Dublin 7; Co. Carlow 6; Co. Waterford and Co. Kilkenny had 5 each, Co. >>> Wicklow with 3; Cos. Kildare, Limerick and Galway each with 1. Of the >>> two >>> BROWNRIGGE households, one was in Co. Kildare and one in Co. Wicklow. >>> <snip> > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:14 AM >>> Subject: [IRELAND] Lookup request - Johnston and Brownrigg >>> >>>> ..... Another branch of the family emigrated in 1823 from Co. Wicklow. >>>> Maybe it >>>> would be more correct to say that he settled in Quebec in 1823. This >>>> was >>>> William Brownrigg, with wife Jane (nee Norris). and six children, >>>> William >>>> Jr., Richard, Catherine, Jane, Susannah, and Stephen. There may have >>>> been >>>> a >>>> Frances. William was born 1785 and Jane in 1787. >>>> Thanks so much for your help. >>>> Peggy >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "geniebugged" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:57 AM >>>> Subject: [IRELAND] Immigration CD - Will Do Look-Ups > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The de Burgho family figures prominantly in the area east of Limerick City as land barons. The name appears to have changed to Burke over time. Sir Richard de Burgho is "Immediate Lessor" on my family farm and most adjacent properties, on the Griffith's Valuation, mid- 1800's, "Parish of Tuogh." People still remember the last of the Burkes in Cappamore Parish, near Towerhill, a woman who refused to let the people go through her property to the bogs where turf was cut for winter heat - obviously not endearing herself to the population. I was told other descendants still are living, closer to Dublin. Paul Newbury <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Listers, On the basis of the 1901 Census for Liverpool and the marriage certificate of her son, John Burke, I have been able to piece together a family story. Bridget -------- was born in Ireland about 1847/8, of a Catholic family.Sometime between 1863-1879 (most probably 1879) she was married to Edward Burke, a Clothier, in Ireland, and her first son, John, was born about 1870. Their next son, Edward, born in 1872, was, according to the 1901 Census, "feeble-minded from childhood". Then sometime between 1873 and 1887 the family emigrated to Liverpool, where another son, Michael Burke, was born to JEdward Burke in Irelandin the September Quarter of 1887. From this time on the family appears to have prospered in Liverpool (details if required). I would like to ask listers if anyone can trace the birth records of John Burke born abt 1870 and Edward Burke born about 1872 , and from these I might also be able to find out Bridget's Maiden name and trace her marriage to Edward Burke. Yours Sincerely, Paul Newbury ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Peggy - I just happened to spot a note from Dec. 2006 on the Ancestry.com BROWNRIGG surname board under the heading of "Brownrigg Irish Deeds." Could this be your kin - BROWNRIGG with a MORRIS instead of a NORRIS? Seems to have some similarities. Jean Note read: "You may already have this...but, William BROWNRIGG's tombstone in L'Acadie, Quebec reflects his birth in "Mullins, Kilcommon Parish, County Wicklow." According to the neighbors, the big stone house in Mullins, just north of Tinahely, is the "BROWNRIGG" home, and the MORRIS family owned land there also. (Jane MORRIS) William BROWNRIGG b. abt. 1787 Jane MORRIS B. abt. 1787 Their children married Leggett's, Twamley's and Smith's." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE > That is very interesting, Jean. Thank you so much for this information. I > will have to > follow-up on these things. > Thanks again > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE > > >> Hi Peggy - BROWNRIGG, another fascinating surname. You may have this >> already, but from data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ - In the primary >> valuation (1848-64) there were 55 BROWNRIGG and 2 BROWNRIGGE households >> recorded in Ireland. BROWNRIGG: Co. Wexford had 18; Dublin city 8; Co. >> Dublin 7; Co. Carlow 6; Co. Waterford and Co. Kilkenny had 5 each, Co. >> Wicklow with 3; Cos. Kildare, Limerick and Galway each with 1. Of the >> two >> BROWNRIGGE households, one was in Co. Kildare and one in Co. Wicklow. >> <snip> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:14 AM >> Subject: [IRELAND] Lookup request - Johnston and Brownrigg >> >>> ..... Another branch of the family emigrated in 1823 from Co. Wicklow. >>> Maybe it >>> would be more correct to say that he settled in Quebec in 1823. This >>> was >>> William Brownrigg, with wife Jane (nee Norris). and six children, >>> William >>> Jr., Richard, Catherine, Jane, Susannah, and Stephen. There may have >>> been >>> a >>> Frances. William was born 1785 and Jane in 1787. >>> Thanks so much for your help. >>> Peggy >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "geniebugged" <[email protected]> >>> To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> >>> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:57 AM >>> Subject: [IRELAND] Immigration CD - Will Do Look-Ups

That is very interesting, Jean. Thank you so much for this information. I will have to follow-up on these things. Thanks again Peggy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BROWNRIGG/NORRIS - BROWNRIGGE > Hi Peggy - BROWNRIGG, another fascinating surname. You may have this > already, but from data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ - In the primary > valuation (1848-64) there were 55 BROWNRIGG and 2 BROWNRIGGE households > recorded in Ireland. BROWNRIGG: Co. Wexford had 18; Dublin city 8; Co. > Dublin 7; Co. Carlow 6; Co. Waterford and Co. Kilkenny had 5 each, Co. > Wicklow with 3; Cos. Kildare, Limerick and Galway each with 1. Of the two > BROWNRIGGE households, one was in Co. Kildare and one in Co. Wicklow. > Having said that, per the website data, there were only three parishes > where > there were both BROWNRIGG and your associated NORRIS households - Dublin > city, Kilkenny and Wicklow. (No BROWNRIGGE, NORRIS households in the same > parish). For a small fee, you can find more details on these families in > Co. Wicklow, which you expressed an interest in. > > There is a published FH by a J. C. D. SPEDDING called "The Spedding Family > with short accounts of few other families allied by marriage" (Dublin > 1909). > Apparently there is a copy in the National Library of Dublin, shelf number > NLI GO 16. The associated families apparently included BENN, BROWNRIGG, > CARLISLE, DEEY, FROUDE. Many older books have been transcribed to the > Internet, perhaps this is the case with some accounts of your surnames. I > noted also that there was a Miss E. BROWNRIGG and that was evidently a > fine > (winning?) golfer and her name is on the "Captains' Board at Royal > Portrush > (Co. Down) Ladies Club with a notation of 1897. Perhaps you can find > more > on the Internet about her, and there may be more about her in the book by > May HEZLET, "Ladies' Golf" (1904); periodicals called "The Irish Golfer," > Horace HUTCHINSON's "The New Book of Golf" (1912). A fine portrait of May > HEZLET with the British Open and Ladies Close trophies hangs in the Royal > Portrush Ladies Club. Commissioned by the members of the Club, it was > painted by Harry R. DOUGLAS. There was also a world-renowned course of > Royal Co. Down at Newcastle. For listers interested in lady golfing > greats, > there is a fine several-page article regarding same that appeared in the > July-Aug 1999 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine by > genealogy expert Paul GORRY. Perhaps you can obtain a back issue at the > IOTW website. (That particular issue has articles (w.illustrations) of > orchids in Ireland, Willy PEARSE, artist and patriot, and Abbeyleix, Co. > Laois). Jean > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:14 AM > Subject: [IRELAND] Lookup request - Johnston and Brownrigg > > >> Hello, Mimi, >> Thank you so much for this offer. I have a James Johnston who is supposed >> to >> have emigrated from Ireland in 1827 to Canada. I think it could have >> been >> 1826. He was born in 1798. Originally, information on him stated that >> he >> was from Londonderry but his death certificate states he was from Co. >> Antrim. He would have travelled with his wife Margaret Jane Groves, >> their >> daughters Mary Ann and Margaret, son John, parents John and Anna, and >> brother William. >> Another branch of the family emigrated in 1823 from Co. Wicklow. Maybe it >> would be more correct to say that he settled in Quebec in 1823. This >> was >> William Brownrigg, with wife Jane (nee Norris). and six children, >> William >> Jr., Richard, Catherine, Jane, Susannah, and Stephen. There may have >> been >> a >> Frances. William was born 1785 and Jane in 1787. >> Thanks so much for your help. >> Peggy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "geniebugged" <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> >> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:57 AM >> Subject: [IRELAND] Immigration CD - Will Do Look-Ups >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Peggy - BROWNRIGG, another fascinating surname. You may have this already, but from data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ - In the primary valuation (1848-64) there were 55 BROWNRIGG and 2 BROWNRIGGE households recorded in Ireland. BROWNRIGG: Co. Wexford had 18; Dublin city 8; Co. Dublin 7; Co. Carlow 6; Co. Waterford and Co. Kilkenny had 5 each, Co. Wicklow with 3; Cos. Kildare, Limerick and Galway each with 1. Of the two BROWNRIGGE households, one was in Co. Kildare and one in Co. Wicklow. Having said that, per the website data, there were only three parishes where there were both BROWNRIGG and your associated NORRIS households - Dublin city, Kilkenny and Wicklow. (No BROWNRIGGE, NORRIS households in the same parish). For a small fee, you can find more details on these families in Co. Wicklow, which you expressed an interest in. There is a published FH by a J. C. D. SPEDDING called "The Spedding Family with short accounts of few other families allied by marriage" (Dublin 1909). Apparently there is a copy in the National Library of Dublin, shelf number NLI GO 16. The associated families apparently included BENN, BROWNRIGG, CARLISLE, DEEY, FROUDE. Many older books have been transcribed to the Internet, perhaps this is the case with some accounts of your surnames. I noted also that there was a Miss E. BROWNRIGG and that was evidently a fine (winning?) golfer and her name is on the "Captains' Board at Royal Portrush (Co. Down) Ladies Club with a notation of 1897. Perhaps you can find more on the Internet about her, and there may be more about her in the book by May HEZLET, "Ladies' Golf" (1904); periodicals called "The Irish Golfer," Horace HUTCHINSON's "The New Book of Golf" (1912). A fine portrait of May HEZLET with the British Open and Ladies Close trophies hangs in the Royal Portrush Ladies Club. Commissioned by the members of the Club, it was painted by Harry R. DOUGLAS. There was also a world-renowned course of Royal Co. Down at Newcastle. For listers interested in lady golfing greats, there is a fine several-page article regarding same that appeared in the July-Aug 1999 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine by genealogy expert Paul GORRY. Perhaps you can obtain a back issue at the IOTW website. (That particular issue has articles (w.illustrations) of orchids in Ireland, Willy PEARSE, artist and patriot, and Abbeyleix, Co. Laois). Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peggy Gordon" <p&[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:14 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Lookup request - Johnston and Brownrigg > Hello, Mimi, > Thank you so much for this offer. I have a James Johnston who is supposed > to > have emigrated from Ireland in 1827 to Canada. I think it could have been > 1826. He was born in 1798. Originally, information on him stated that he > was from Londonderry but his death certificate states he was from Co. > Antrim. He would have travelled with his wife Margaret Jane Groves, their > daughters Mary Ann and Margaret, son John, parents John and Anna, and > brother William. > Another branch of the family emigrated in 1823 from Co. Wicklow. Maybe it > would be more correct to say that he settled in Quebec in 1823. This was > William Brownrigg, with wife Jane (nee Norris). and six children, William > Jr., Richard, Catherine, Jane, Susannah, and Stephen. There may have been > a > Frances. William was born 1785 and Jane in 1787. > Thanks so much for your help. > Peggy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "geniebugged" <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 5:57 AM > Subject: [IRELAND] Immigration CD - Will Do Look-Ups >

In 1995, an unassuming man from South Derry, a rural Catholic and farmer's son, won the Nobel Prize for Literature almost 30 years after he published his first book on poetry. Born at Mossbawn in 1939, Seamus Heaney joins other literary giants such as Yeats, Beckett and Shaw. Heaney has described his work - "Poetry grows like a moss inside you and at certain times you start picking it off. You can't sit down and do it just by willing it." Following ceasefires, Heaney wrote an article in a Scottish newspaper in which he stated that cessation of violence is an opportunity to open a space in the first level of each person's consciousness - a space where hope can be developed and grow. Hope, he said, is a state of the soul rather than a response to evidence. It is not the expectation that things will turn out successfully but the conviction that something is worth working for, however it turns out." Heaney also has said, "When the ceasefires were announced, there was an open if uncertain future ahead, just as there was a dark past behind." Today, the future of Ireland seems brighter than ever. A CHORUS Human Beings Suffer, They torture one another, They get hurt and get hard. No poem or play or song Can fully right a wrong, Inflicted and endured. The innocent in gaols Beat on their bars together. A hunger-striker's father Stands in the graveyard dumb. The police widow in veils Faints at the funeral home. History says, Don't hope On this side of the grave. But then, once in a lifetime The longed-for tidal wave Of justice can rise up, And hope and history rhyme. So hope for a great sea-change On the far side of revenge. Believe that a further shore Is reachable from here. Believe in miracles And cures and healing wells. Call miracle self-healing: The utter, self-revealing Double-take of feeling. If there's fire on the mountain Or lightning and storm And a god speaks from the sky That means someone is hearing The outcry and the birth-cry Or new life at its term. It means, once in a lifetime That justice can rise up, And hope and history rhyme. -- "A Chorus" from "The Cure at Troy," 1990

PERFUME OF THE SOIL Sitting on footpaths in Temple Bar, on pebbled stones at the Royal Hospital, in bare feet at Lough Derg, lying on the ground at Fleadhs, I see young people in black clothes making contact with the earth. >From carpeted, centrally-heated homes, and taken to school in buses and cars, they now yearn for nature and the smell of the soil. In the fifties we walked to school, barefooted along the grass verges of the stony roads, and played on the cracked concrete in the school yard. We poulticed stone bruises on our feet, stopped bleeding glass cuts with cobwebs from the farmyard, sat on clay ridges guggering potato slits in spring, tossed with oat seed as it came out in torrents from the thresher, rolled with hay laps in summer months. We came home in wet clothes from cycling to the store and smelled the tweeds drying on the kitchen hearth, keeping us in touch with the earth's crust. -- Mary Guckian, born Kiltoghert, Co. Leitrim, 1942. Her poetry, photography appear in "Perfume Of The Soil" (Swan Press/Dublin) 1999 and "On The Road To Gowel" 2000.

In a message dated 9/14/2007 10:59:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: (I probably should have checked a NJ map to verify the spelling.) R. Giuliani still mentions Fr. Mychal Judge as someone he greatly admired and counted on. Hi again, Jean I found that snippet in a number of different places and they all listed the same place as yours did. I've lived in NJ my whole life and had never heard of the place, which is what made me look a bit further into it. Fr. Judge was very loved and widely respected for sure. For those of us who lost friends 9/11 it was a bit of comfort knowing he was there and praying for them all....... Lisa ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

In a message dated 9/12/2007 3:32:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Fr. Mychal was 68 years old at the time of his death and was the first confirmed casualty. He is buried in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery in Tutov, New Jersey. Hello Jean, I just wanted to correct the location of this cemetery for "the record". Fr. Mychal is buried in the above named cemetery however it is in Totowa, New Jersey. Thanks again for your 'snippets'!! Lisa ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi Lisa -- Thanks for pointing out the correct spelling of the NJ town where Fr. Mychal is buried. I know that there are 2-3 listers, at least, with a genealogical interest in Co. Leitrim. I am always glad when someone takes the time to compose an addendum or correction. (I probably should have checked a NJ map to verify the spelling.) R. Giuliani still mentions Fr. Mychal Judge as someone he greatly admired and counted on. Jean, WA State. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] NY's Fr. Mychal JUDGE - Memory Honored w/Peace Garden,Keshcarr... > > In a message dated 9/12/2007 3:32:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Fr. Mychal was 68 years old at the time of his death and was the first > confirmed casualty. He is buried in Holy Sepulchre Cemetery in Tutov, New > Jersey. > Hello Jean, > I just wanted to correct the location of this cemetery for "the record". > > Fr. Mychal is buried in the above named cemetery however it is in Totowa, > New Jersey. > > Thanks again for your 'snippets'!! > > Lisa