Thank Bob and Jean for help with the Lanes and burkes Regards Jim

Hi Paul -- On the Primary Valuation (1843-64) there was one HAZELWOOD household in Co. Meath. There were four HAZLEWOOD households - Co. Cork with two and Co. Longford and Co. Dublin with one each. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Newbury" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Added Note - Burke family - BURKE/BOURKE >> There is one, though. Bridget's grandson, son of her son John, was Edward > Hazel(or Hazle)wood Burke, and he grew up to be a Schoolmaster in > Newcastle > on Tyne. Finally on all the records I have, about half a dozen, the > surname > is consistently spelled Burke. > Yours Sincerely, > Paul Newbury . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Added Note - Burke family - BURKE/BOURKE

Dear Listers, Can somebody help me find the birth of Bridget Murray born about 1847-8 somewhere in Ireland, and record of her Catholic marriage to a John Burke in the period 1863-69. She then had two sons also born in Ireland ( John born about 1870 and Edward born about about 1872), before emigrated to Liverpool sometime between 1872 and 1887. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Yours Sincerely. Paul Newbury

From: [email protected]: [email protected]: FW: Dalmeny as a surnameDate: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:06:42 +0000 From: [email protected]: [email protected]: Dalmeny as a surnameDate: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:28:16 +0000 Hallo everyone, We are interested in finding any record of Dalmeny as a surname in Ireland. Of particular interest would be any record of Claude Philibert Dalmeny, born in France, who may have migrated to Ireland in the early 1800's. Also of interest is any record of Angus Dalmeny, a veterinary, (married to a Margaret Fordham), who may have had a connection with the army veterinary hospital in Waterford circa 1890. Another is Clarence Victor Dalmeny who may have served in the Inniskillen Dragoons circa 1880, and a Lysle Dalmeny who sailed from Southampton to Shanghai in 1906 possibly as a missionary. We will be delighted to hear from anyone who knows of any record of or has a family connection with anyone with the surname Dalmeny. Sincerely.....Donald Dalmeny The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail Play Movie Mash-up and win BIG prizes! _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com

From: [email protected]: [email protected]: FW: Dalmeny as a surnameDate: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:06:42 +0000 From: [email protected]: [email protected]: Dalmeny as a surnameDate: Sat, 8 Sep 2007 18:28:16 +0000 Hallo everyone, We are interested in finding any record of Dalmeny as a surname in Ireland. Of particular interest would be any record of Claude Philibert Dalmeny, born in France, who may have migrated to Ireland in the early 1800's. Also of interest is any record of Angus Dalmeny, a veterinary, (married to a Margaret Fordham), who may have had a connection with the army veterinary hospital in Waterford circa 1890. Another is Clarence Victor Dalmeny who may have served in the Inniskillen Dragoons circa 1880, and a Lysle Dalmeny who sailed from Southampton to Shanghai in 1906 possibly as a missionary. We will be delighted to hear from anyone who knows of any record of or has a family connection with anyone with the surname Dalmeny. Sincerely.....Donald Dalmeny The next generation of MSN Hotmail has arrived - Windows Live Hotmail Play Movie Mash-up and win BIG prizes! _________________________________________________________________ 100’s of Music vouchers to be won with MSN Music https://www.musicmashup.co.uk

Doris, Found these entries in FHC data which are on their in-house PC's. I have NO additional data on this surname Bob Cdn ----------------------------------------------- LANE Margaret Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 20 Oct 1867 Birthplace: 713 Whitechurch Wat Ire Recorded in: Waterford Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John LANE Mother: Johanna BURKE Source: FHL Film 101158 Dates: 1867 - 1868 LANE Mary Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 26 Feb 1867 Birthplace: 311 Kanturk Cork Ire Recorded in: Cork Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: William LANE Mother: Marianne BOURKE Source: FHL Film 101144 Dates: 1867 - 1867 LANE Michael Birth Gender: Male Birth Date: 3 Oct 1870 Birthplace: 825 Tallow Wat Ire Recorded in: Waterford Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: John LANE Mother: Johanna BURKE Source: FHL Film 101218 Dates: 1870 - 1871 LANE Honora Birth Gender: Female Birth Date: 12 Apr 1873 Birthplace: Castleisland Kerry Ire Recorded in: Kerry Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Father: Denis LANE Mother: Johanna BURKE Source: FHL Film 255882 Dates: 1873 - 1874 ========================================================== BURKE, Annam Chr 1849 Irel Rosc Rosaki Fa: Gulielmi BURKE Mo: Brigedae STROKER BURKE, Annam Chr 1853 Irel Rosc Rosaki Fa: Jacobi BURKE Mo: Bridgidae DOOLY BURKE, Annam Chr 1855 Irel Rosc Rosaki Fa: Jacobi BURKE Mo: Bridgidae DRUDY BURKE, Annam Mariam Franciscam Chr 1863 Irel Rosc Kilaki Fa: Walterii BURKE Mo: Annae KELLY BURKE, Anna Bir 1867 Irel Rosc Dysart Fa: Joanne BURKE Mo: Maria FALLON BURKE, Anna Bir 1867 Irel Rosc Rosaki Fa: Jacobus BURKE Mo: Bridgida DRUDY BURKE, Anne Bir 1867 Irel Rosc Fa: Edward BURKE Mo: Eliza RUSH BURKE, Anne Bir 1867 Irel Rosc Fa: James BURKE Mo: Bridget DRUDY BURKE, Anne Bir 1867 Irel Rosc Fa: John BURKE Mo: Mary FALLON BURK, Anne Bir 1869 Irel Rosc Fa: Thomas BURK Mo: Mary TULLY BURKE, Anne Bir 1869 Irel Rosc Fa: James BURKE Mo: Anne SHARKEY BURKE, Anne Bir 1870 Irel Rosc Fa: John BURKE Mo: Debora MCGARRY BURKE, Anne Bir 1870 Irel Rosc Fa: Bernard BURKE Mo: Margaret MITCHELL BURKE, Anne Bir 1871 Irel Rosc Fa: Patrick BURKE Mo: Catherine HANNON BURKE, Anne Bir 1871 Irel Rosc Fa: Henry BURKE Mo: Mary MALLY BURKE, Anne Bir 1872 Irel Rosc Fa: Patrick BURKE Mo: Winefred MC NEEVE BURKE, Anne Bir 1872 Irel Rosc Fa: Patrick BURKE Mo: Anne MCGANN BURK, Anne Bir 1873 Irel Rosc Fa: Michael Burk Mo: Anne Burk BOURKE, Anna Bir 1879 Irel Rosc Kilaki Fa: Thomae BOURKE Mo: Catherinae SCOTT ============================================== ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jimmy" > > >> Have you any records of the Rosscommon BURKES I have Ann >> BURKE married to John Lane ================================================

THE LAKE ISLE OF INNISFREE I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree, And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made: Nine bean-rows will I have there, a hive for the honey-bee, And live alone in the bee-loud glade. And I shall have some peace there, for peace comes dropping slow, Dropping from the veils of the morning to where the cricket sings; There midnight's all a glimmer, and noon a purple glow, And evening full of the linnet's wings. I will arise and go now, for always night and day I hear lake water lapping with low sounds by the shore; While I stand on the roadway, or on the pavements grey, I hear it in the deep heart's core. -- William Butler Yeats

Hi Jimmy - I'm no expert, but the LDS (Mormon) FHCs have records on line and also filmed microfilmed church records. I once ordered to view a microfilm that included pages of a a tattered little black book with records of St. Patrick's Chapel in Drumshanbo, Leitrim. You can check and see what they have for your Cloonfad Chapel. Have you tried the website Leitrim-Roscommon.com? It has 1901 Census information for Leitrim, Roscommon, Mayo, Sligo. Other data is being added. Valuable is that if an individual on one census was born in another county or country they include that information. There are many references to Cavan, for instance, on the Leitrim census. Check out the 1901 census data for your surnames of interest, something may ring a bell, such as associated surnames enumerated in the household as visitors, relatives, etc., if some of the family remained there in 1901. After a surname search, the location "Cloonfad" in the "Townland" field, check out the surnames of the families come up. If you know for SURE that is the location (Cloonfad) where your families lived, you might consider contacting the Valuation Office Dublin website. For a fee, and using their cancelled land books, current land books, survey, tenure, field books and old maps, they can check for transactions on particular parcels of land from the Griffith's Valuation to the present or near present. This might give you a date of immigration or sale of property due to a death, etc. 1901 Census Roscommon Cloonfad East CP Kiltullagh Barony Castlerea Roscommon Household (1) BURKE, Jane (42) husband away Household (2) - (neighbor) BURKE, Pat (32?) shopkeeper. Another (nearby?) locale Household Cloonfad West John LAINE (65) farmer Earlier: The material below from the L-R website (hope it prints out okay) pertains to 1851 records for townland placename "Cloonfad": (i.e. County, Barony, Civil Parish, Poor Law Union (nearest large town/likely registration district). Looks to me (I could be wrong!) that the Civil Parishes you may be interested in are Kiltullagh, Kilkeevin and Tibonhine. Cloonfad - Roscommon Ballintober North Termonbarry Strokestown Cloonfad - Roscommon Boyle Tumna Carrick on Shannon Cloonfad - Roscommon Castlereagh Kilkeevin Castlereagh Cloonfad - Roscommon Frenchpark Tibohine Castlereagh Cloonfad - Roscommon Moycarn Moore Ballinasloe Cloonfad East - Roscommon Castlereagh Kiltullagh Castlereagh Cloonfad More - Roscommon Roscommon Aughrim Carrick on Shannon Cloonfad West - Roscommon Castlereagh Kiltullagh Castlereagh Cloonfadbeg - Roscommon Roscommon Aughrim Carrick on Shannon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jimmy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 7:11 AM Subject: [IRELAND] burks > Hi Jean > Have you any records of the Rosscommon BURKES I have Ann > BURKE married to John Lane > in 1873 in the registtrars district of Castlerea it was in the Catholic > Chapel of Cloonfad Where do think I would be able to trace thier famileys > Best Regards Jim > [email protected]

Hi Jean Have you any records of the Rosscommon BURKES I have Ann BURKE married to John Lane in 1873 in the registtrars district of Castlerea it was in the Catholic Chapel of Cloonfad Where do think I would be able to trace thier famileys Best Regards Jim [email protected]

Hi list, these burials were found in the registers of Chapel en le Frith in NW Derbyshire, England. They may be someones, hope so. CHAPEL EN LE FRITH BURIALS 2 Sep 1827 Michael MGOTHERIN a traveller towards Ireland 31 9 Sep 1827 John LEONARD a traveller towards Ireland 24 15 Sep 1827 James LEMERICKS a traveller towards Ireland 48 HASSOP Dbys Roman Catholic Church marr. 7 Jan 1835 John FRAIN Co Mayo to Catherine KELLY Co Wicklow. 12 Nov 1835 William GORMAN Ireland to Elizabeth GASCOYNE of Hassop mike http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm

Paul, Consider the sheer joy you will know finding these records yourself at your local Family History Center. All the films below are on the shelf at the Los Angeles Regional Family History Center in West Los Angeles off of Santa Monica Blvd if you are ever in the neighborhood. Otherwise, order the index films first to find the page and volume numbers needed. Unfortunately, the birth of Bridget MURRAY is prior to the civil registration. If you are lucky, you may be able to find a church record of her baptism. For the marriage record, you should see a match of the vol. & page numbers for each spouse. Note: actual birth records are filmed from 1864 through 1881 (and 1900 through 1913, as well as 1930 through 1955) and actual marriage records are filmed from 1864 through 1870. Otherwise, you need to order through the GRO. Note 2: see www.familysearch.org for the Family History Library Catalog, do a location search for Ireland and then click on the first item that reads "Civil Registration" GOOD LUCK, Jim McNamara 1870 Index of births - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101047 ] 1871 Index of births - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101048 ] 1872 Index of births - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101049 ] Index of marriages 1863-1865 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101249 ] Index of marriages 1866-1868 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101250 ] Index of marriages 1869-1872 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101251 ] Births v. 1 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101200 ] Births v. 2 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101201 ] Births v. 3 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101202 ] Births v. 4 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101203 ] Births v. 5 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101204 ] Births v. 6 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101205 ] Births v. 7 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101206 ] Births v. 8 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101207 ] Births v. 9 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101208 ] Births v. 10 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101209 ] Births v. 11 1870 - 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FHL BRITISH Film [ 101564 ] Marriages v. 12 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101565 ] Marriages v. 13 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101566 ] Marriages v. 14-15 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101567 ] Marriages v. 16 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101568 ] Marriages v. 17 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101569 ] Marriages v. 18 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101570 ] Marriages v. 19-20 1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101571 ] Marriages supplement v. 1, 1845-1863; v. 2, pt. 1 1864-1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101572 ] Marriages supplement v. 2, pt. 1(cont.)-pt. 3 1864-1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101573 ] Marriages supplement v. 2, pt 4 1864-1870 - FHL BRITISH Film [ 101574 ] > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 21:05:18 +0100 > From: "Paul Newbury" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRELAND] Burke family > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear Listers, > Can somebody help me find the birth of Bridget Murray born about 1847-8 > somewhere in Ireland, and record of her Catholic marriage to a John Burke > in the period 1863-69. She then had two sons also born in Ireland ( John > born about 1870 and Edward born about about 1872), before emigrated to > Liverpool sometime between 1872 and 1887. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > Yours Sincerely. > Paul Newbury

Hi Paul -- On reviewing your note, I see now that it was your John BURKE married to a Bridget. Check out the BURKE data at these two resources and also the MURRAY data. Check out BURK and BOURKE spellings, too, see if anything looks promising. Many records had misspellings or were illegible, transcribed incorrectly, etc. It is estimated that approximately 15% of events were not recorded. Be sure and try to find out more about your families from the Liverpool records and your living relatives. You can be pretty sure that there were other Johns and Edwards in your lines. Do you have the given names of the children in your families, anything outstanding? Jean Resources for Griffith's Valuation http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/csi/csi_main.cfm#Counties I see now that you were trying to locate a JOHN BURKE with a Bridget MURRAY. There were surprisingly many BURKEs who married Bridget's, many in Co. Sligo - check out #2 above. I didn't see a marriage match, but you can take a look and maybe find something useful. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 6:26 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Burke family - BURKE/BOURKE Hi Paul - Your BURKE surname and given names are very common, so would be difficult to pin down unless you had a middle name. An unusual given name in the family could be mother's maiden ("nee") name in disguise or some other surname important to the family. <snip> Dear Listers, > Can somebody help me find the birth of Bridget Murray born about 1847-8 > somewhere in Ireland, and record of her Catholic marriage to a John Burke > in the period 1863-69. She then had two sons also born in Ireland ( John > born about 1870 and Edward born about about 1872), before emigrated to > Liverpool sometime between 1872 and 1887. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > Yours Sincerely. > Paul Newbury

Resources for Griffith's Valuation data include: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/csi/csi_main.cfm#Counties http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/

Hello, Just thought I'd add that it was not only single women from Great Britain who came to the U.S. and sought out jobs as a domestic (or mill workers, etc.). I don't have any on my family-tree that I know of. But, my husband's grandmother left the Azores when she was 12 years old ! She came to MA and went to live with a family on "Beacon Hill" in Boston. She was an "indentured servant" and had to stay with the family for 7 years. And, on the other side, his grandmother, nee' Annie Mary Magdalene McLAUGHLIN, seems to have come over as a single woman. I believe she moved from Ireland to England with her mother and was sent to live in a Convent, and then came to the U.S. And those of us who have access to Census information, especially 1900, will see how many women are living in "other people's homes" and who came from many countries, especially Germany, Italy, Greece, Poland, etc. In New England and New York (U.S)., the so-called "mill cities" were divided into neighborhoods - each for a different "ethnic community." The City of Lowell, MA, is an example of that. There is one section, called the "Acre" .. because early on there was an acre of land designated for the "poor Irish" ! Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) P.S. The 1880 and 1881 Census data is found at www.familysearch.org P.S.2 Don't forget all the "single women" who might have left Ireland and got on the ships sending the "British Home Children" to Canada. They could have been accompanying the children, or they could have gotten on the ship - if there was room for them ! Remember to check the archives of all the Lists and Boards for your surnames and place-names. And, please remember to check the on-line auctions for for your surnames and place-names.

Hi Paul - Your BURKE surname and given names are very common, so would be difficult to pin down unless you had a middle name. An unusual given name in the family could be mother's maiden ("nee") name in disguise or some other surname important to the family. A BURKE marriage to a Bridget wouldn't be all that common, however, I wouldn't think, and tend to narrow the search down. There are variations in the spelling of BURKE, as well, but chances are you have the correct spelling to use for research. *** I would suggest trying to find some definite documentation such as wills, cemetery records, etc. that you KNOW pertains to your particular family from the place where they emigrated (Liverpool). Each document should (hopefully) provide more clues. To "jump start" your research, consider paying a professional genealogist to get you started, help you collect documents on your particular family. Your living relatives might very well have some information to point to in a particular direction, so when you send out Christmas cards this year be sure to ask for their help!!! They may have an oral history in the family, can come up with important notations on old photographs, or have been collecting material themselves. On the Primary Valuation (1848-64) data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ there were a total of 4125 BURKE households in Ireland with 1028 BOURKE, and there are a couple other variations. Surname BURKE appears in nearly all the Irish counties. There are variations on records of course, commonly BOURKE, BURK, etc. At one point, you had asked about BURKE/MURRAY and there are more than 35 counties and/or major towns with civil parishes where both surnames appear. Important, as most couples married someone they knew in their own parish. Check out www.ireland.com/ancestor/ BURKE households were most prevalent: Co. Galway 906 Co. Tipperary 674 Co. Mayo 458 Co. Cork 332 (but only 26 in Cork city). Co. Limerick 283 Co. Clare 184 Co. Roscommon 139 Co. Waterford 133 etc. etc. BURKE: Very numerous: in all provinces, especially Connacht. Ir. de Búrca. One of the great Anglo-Norman families, coming in the person of William de Burgo in 1171. Becoming completely gaelicised, they produced many septs: MacHugo, MacGibbon, MacRedmond etc. They settled extensively in (province) Connacht. There are Family Histories in the National Library of Ireland: 1. T. U. Sadleir, "The Burkes of Marble Hall," (date?), shelf number Ir. 9292 b 10. 2. E. Burke, "Burke People and Places," Whitegate, 1984, Ir. 9292 b 55. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/ Resource for research: http://www.cyndislist.com/ Not pertaining to you, apparently, but looking around the Internet I came up with three marriage records: Marriages in Ireland (Sligo) Bourke Edward/Mey Bridget 1818 Marriage Burke Edward/McGowan Bridget 1838 Marriage Burke Edward/Gannan Bridget 1914 Marriage JEAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Newbury" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Burke family > Dear Listers, > Can somebody help me find the birth of Bridget Murray born about 1847-8 > somewhere in Ireland, and record of her Catholic marriage to a John Burke > in the period 1863-69. She then had two sons also born in Ireland ( John > born about 1870 and Edward born about about 1872), before emigrated to > Liverpool sometime between 1872 and 1887. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > Yours Sincerely. > Paul Newbury

If you find anything out I would like to know how to find where my family originated from Ireland was always told Co, Cork and that is all I know! sally stevens ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Elizabeth Wagner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: [IRELAND] Immigrant Movement of Families > > > Could someone please tell me if it was unusual > for a daughter to be the first to leave Ireland? > > I'm trying to determine who came first, my > maternal grandfather, or his sister. I know when he > came, but I can't seem to trace his sister nor do I > know her age. I suspect she was older as my > grandfather is the only sibling listed in the Civil > Registration listings. Since he recieved his > citizenship papers in Baltimore and his sister, Mary, > lived in Philadelphia, I am now wondering why she > would have come to Philadelphia unless another > relative was already there. > > I have been unable to find much information on > this McKERNAN/McKIERNAN family from Co. Leitrim. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Mary Elizabeth > > > RESEARCHING: McKERNAN/McKIERNAN in Co. Antrim > and Co. Leitrim; McALLISTER in > Co. Antrim; MULDOWNEY in Co.Kilkenny; > and KEARNEY in Co. Louth > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. > Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. > http://sims.yahoo.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mary Elizabeth - In a piece on Irish domestics by Maureen MURPHY in "The Irish In America," M. Coffey and T. Golway (1997) -- "Nearly seven hundred thousand Irishwomen immigrated to America between 1885 and 1920. The Aran poet Mairtin O'Direain, born in 1910, recalled that in his boyhood there wasn't a mother who hadn't spent time in America and that places like Boston, Dorchester, and Woburn were more familiar to him than even Galway. What accounted for this phenomenon of young Irishwomen going to America? The pattern of young Irishwomen outnumbering Irishmen as emigrants in the quarter century between 1884 and 1910 was an exception to male-dominated western European emigration that resulted in family re-formation in America. Irish parents stayed on the land and Irish daughters and sons emigrated, alone or with siblings. These siblings could no longer expect to inherit family land. After the Famine, the inheritance pattern changed from one that divided land among sons to one that privileged a single inheriting son and set aside a dowry for one daughter who was married in an arranged match. For nondowered daughters who did not want to stay on as unpaid workers in the households of their fathers or brothers, there was the Church or there was emigration. In many ways, leaving home was the most attractive alternative for these 'surplus daughters.' Personal histories and immigration records indicate that those coming to America often shepherded younger siblings, cousins, and neighbors later on, which gave courage to girls who yearned to try their luck in cities such as New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, or San Francisco. Letters home, cash remittances, prepaid tickets, and parcels reinforced the image of America as the place of opportunity. Photographs from America were especially inticing (women in pretty clothing, etc.) .... For all the attractions of America and for the support of family and friends to ease the journey and the settling in, emigration took courage, independence, and spunk. Many girls traveled as part of a group: siblings, cousins, neighbors, and friends forming a cohort of young people from a village or townland. And the numbers are wrenching. In a single month, April 1898, Cunard and White Star liners calling at Queenstown (Cobh), Cork, carried 342 young women from small towns in east Mayo to New York. Passenger records indicate that the emigrating girls described themselves as servants and that they joined family members or friends employed in households or they went to homes of family or friends and looked for employment. Irish girls arrived in America knowing that there was a demand for domestic servants. The "Longford Independent" for August 17, 1912, carried the story of the servant problem in NY, promising that girls could expect to earn five pounds a month (about 20 dollars) for general housekeeping and ten pounds a month for cooking. The article further encouraged emigration, saying that the scarcity of servants made it necessary for employers to tolerate shortcomings. Mona HEARN's study of domestic service in Ireland surveys the "help wanted" advertisements in the "Freeman's Journal" between 1910 and 1920; they offered wage of between 9 and 20 pounds a year for ordinary servants and 30 to 40 pounds per year for a cook. While most Irish girls went to some sort of sponsor, there were some who arrived without family or friends and who had no job prospects. Of the 307,823 Irish females between the ages of 14 and 44 who arrived in NY between 1883 and 1908, some 100,000 were assisted in some way by the Mission of Our Lady of the Rosary for the Protection of Irish Immigrants Girls. They found positions in households for 12,000 domestic servants. Some Irish girls went through the labor exchange at Castle Garden or used employment agencies such as the New York Labor Exchange located at 10 Washington Street, which issued a receipt to Mr. T. F. GREEN on November 28, 1891, for two-dollar fee for hiring Annie O'BRIEN at the rate of eight dollars per month. Annie O'BRIEN paid the agency one dollar from her first month's wages. Others placed 'work wanted' ads like the ones that appeared in the "New York Herald Tribune" on September 24, 1908: (IRISH GIRL, 18, lately landed, as chambermaid or waitress in private family, no cards. MALONE, 70 Bedford St. YOUNG IRISH GIRL, as chambermaid or chambermaid and waitress in small private family, wages $18-20, ANDREWS, 250 E. 50th. A YOUNG GIRL, lately landed, in small apartment, willing to learn, SMITH, 1077 First Ave. corner of 59th). Finding employment could be complicated by anti-Irish or anti-Catholic prejudice. The idea that Catholic domestics had been dispatched to spy for the pope had to be promulgated in tracts such as "The Female Jesuit" or "The Spy in the Family.' Signs reading NO IRISH NEED APPLY or ONLY PROTESTANTS NEED APPLY reflected the suspicion that Irish girls would report family behavior to their priests or that they would secretly baptize the children of the household. Oral tradition collected from former Irish servants girls suggests that such fears were not unfounded. When the mistress of the house died in childbirth, Nora and Josie ENRIGHT rushed the infant off to church to be baptized; other devout servant girls concerned about the souls of their charges report baptizing unbaptized children also. Despite prejudice, Irish girls found a ready market for their services. According to the immigration historian Oscar HANDLIN, it was the Irish girls' reputation for loyalty and cheerfulness and their willingness to work for low wages that made them welcome in Boston households. HANDLIN estimated that there were more than two thousand Irish domestic servants in Boston by the 1850s. The girls who went to households where they were the only help were expected to be maids of all work. Bridget CURRAN, who came to America in 1911, worked from six in the morning till midnight cleaning, doing the laundry, stoking the furnace, and shoveling snow on winter mornings. She drew the line at walking her employers' three dachshunds. "I wouldn't have people laughing at me dragging them up the street." While Irish girls did not want people laughing at them, they could laugh at themselves. Householders may have called their servant girls 'simple,' but it was more innocence abroad than ignorance. Former servant girls recalled trying to boil melons and dealing with other unfamiliar fruits and vegetables. One woman recalled spending a Sunday making little woolen coats after her employer asked her to prepare potatoes baked in their jackets for a dinner party. Irish girls who found work in the smaller households were often treated as members of the family, albeit as children. They report they had a ten o'clock curfew or had to present their young men to their employers ... In large households, the mistress of the house often did not bother to learn the names of the Irish girls, adopting instead the generic name of Maggie or Bridget for any female Irish servant. Servant girls, like most domestic servants of any age, were addressed by their first names. Religion was often a test of independence for Irish servant girls. Women who worked as servants report that time off for mass, for some, was only reluctantly given or given at great hardship to the girls. Even Annie O'DONNELL, who always praised the Pittsburg W. L. MELLON family for their kindness and consideration, wrote in 1901 that she hoped she would be let of to go to mass on Christmas morning, but it was not certain." Excerpts, several-page article. (My comment - I recall hearing that single females at home were often encouraged (if not expected) to marry men - even those many years their senior - considered appropriate primarily because they owned more land. Some forward-thinking women would not accept this and hoped to improve their lot by emigrating.) Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Elizabeth Wagner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Immigrant Movement of Families > > > Could someone please tell me if it was unusual > for a daughter to be the first to leave Ireland? > > I'm trying to determine who came first, my > maternal grandfather, or his sister. I know when he > came, but I can't seem to trace his sister nor do I > know her age. I suspect she was older as my > grandfather is the only sibling listed in the Civil > Registration listings. Since he received his > citizenship papers in Baltimore and his sister, Mary, > lived in Philadelphia, I am now wondering why she > would have come to Philadelphia unless another > relative was already there. > > I have been unable to find much information on > this McKERNAN/McKIERNAN family from Co. Leitrim. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks. > > Mary Elizabeth > > > RESEARCHING: McKERNAN/McKIERNAN in Co. Antrim > and Co. Leitrim; McALLISTER in > Co. Antrim; MULDOWNEY in Co.Kilkenny; > and KEARNEY in Co. Louth

I am looking for JOHN THORNTON born County Galway, in 1799. Roman Catholic, Sawyer His wife ANN nee (HAMILTON/JENNINGS. McMANUS)? Children: MARY bn 1821/22 County Galway, Ireland CATHERINE bn 1822 " CORNELIUS bn 1825 " JOSEPH bn 1828/29 " JOHN bn 1831 ORMSKIRK, Lancashire, UK (paternal great grandfather) ELLEN (no record) I believe the above information was gather from the British 1841/1881 Census. JOHN and ANN THORNTON, born in Ireland, both died of TYPHUS fever in 1839/1840 within a month of each other. I would be extremely grateful for any information you could give on how I might backtrack on these relatives. I immigrated from the UK in 1956 and now have children and grandchildren born in the USA. We are all very proud of our Irish heritage! Is there any publication you might suggest which would detail the conditions in Ireland at the time (late 1700's early 1800) of JOHN and ANN'S immigration to the UK? With thanks, Veronica Thornton Hagin

KINSALE The kind of rain we knew is a thing of the past -- deep-delving, dark, deliberate you would say, browsing on spire and bogland; but today our sky-blue slates are steaming in the sun, our yachts tinkling and dancing in the bay like race-horses. We contemplate at last shining windows, a future forbidden to no-one. -- Derek Mahon (born Belfast 1941) SOLES "I caught four soles this morning," said the man with the beard; cloud shifted and a sun- shaft pierced the sea. Fisher of soles, did you reflect the water you walked on contains so very many souls, the living and the dead, you could never begin to count them? Somewhere a god waits rod in hand, to add you to their number. -- Derek Mahon (b. 1941, Belfast)

SNIPPET: Per advertising on a pretty tin I saved a few years ago here in the States: John McCANN Steel Cut Oat Meal won a Certificate of Award at the International Exhibition in 1876, Group IV, United States Centennial Commission, Philadelphia, PA, 27 Sept 1876. On the 28th of June 1894, they received recognition from the World's Columbian Exhibition, Chicago, 1893. John McCann's Steel Cut Irish Oat Meal was awarded a Certificate of Award for "Uniformity of Granulation." "Traditionally served with fresh buttermilk, Irish porridge is also good with milk or cream and brown sugar or honey or with butter and has a rich nutty flavor"