Added Note: Audrey -- While it likely does not apply to your particular FH, I noted on the Primary Valuation (1848-64) there were CALAHER and ROONEY household/s together in the same parish/es in Co. Clare. There were also ROONEY and CALLAGHER households both found in particular parishes in Dublin city & Co. Louth. You can find out more about particular parishes at the www.ireland.com/ancestor/ website for a small charge. For now - Concentrate on the spellings that you have (KEELER/ROONEY), but to me the ROONEY/KELLER data seems promising since KELLER was found most often in Cork and Co. Cork, and that is where you believe you family came from. When you factor in misspellings because of illiteracy, centuries of turmoil, and also because there was not the emphasis placed on correct spelling, research in Ireland can be daunting. Gathering documents such as death notices, wills, cemetery inscriptions, land and court cases from the KNOWN places they lived, if they emigrated, and queries to living relatives, can often help to narrow things down. Also, check out the Rootsweb ROONEY surname board and lists, conduct surname searches to zero in on other researchers FH that contains some "matches" to your families' known locations. The USA Federal Census for 1920 (or 1930) often gives more precise information on where a person was born, where his parents were born. Since they ended up in IL and MN, check the microfilmed census soundex film to see if you can locate them. Also check the mortality schedules for those counties. Branches of the National Archives (USA) have these films, also your local LDS (Mormon) FHCs. I believe that Ancestry.com paid subscriptions have these to check. Also look at www.familysearch.org The state and county historical societies can do look-ups for you and/or send you circulating copies of soundex films to your local library. It has been my experience that the latter took up to six weeks, but the LDS FHCs had those films for me on site within 7-10 days. Genealogy libraries or libraries with genealogy floors also have indices to the USA Federal Censuses on their Reference Shelves. These go back to the Revolutionary War and forward (depending on the State) to 1870, 1880, even 1900. **** Check the websites regarding USA Federal Censuses. Some states took additional censuses between the Federal Censuses that were taken every ten years!!!! Bottom line - I have had great luck enlisting the help of USA county historical societies whose volunteers have found reams of documents for me including wills for a fair cost using their local resources which they are familiar with. They have expertise, knowledge regarding "their" county. This is a great way to "jump start" your private research. Jean --- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] "Lookup Request - Rooney" -- KEELER/ROONEY > Hi Audrey - Wondering where you got your ROONEY families connection to > Cork? <snip> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "grandma audrey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:06 PM > Subject: [IRELAND] "Lookup Request - Rooney" > > >> Still looking for my grandfather William Rooney who, I think, was born in >> County Cork and immigrated to the US thru Ellis Island in about 1896. He >> was born June 27, 1877 to William and Margaret (Keeler or Kaelher) >> Rooney. >> I do not know any of the parishes or even townships,towns, etc., that >> would be in the County Cork area. He had two sisters, Ellen and Rose, >> who >> also immigrated to the US and all of them settled in Illinois before >> William relocated in Minnesota. Any help would be so much >> ppreciated. - >> Audrey Schmitz

Hi Audrey - Wondering where you got your ROONEY families connection to Cork? Family story? Other? Try and get some solid documentation as to a particular Irish county, if you can - perhaps with the help of a historical society in the USA county in which the family lived. The reason I asked is that the fairly common ROONEY surname appeared in only 5 households in Co. Cork on the Primary Valuation of 1848-64. It was found in 200 households in Co. Down, 105 in Co. Leitrim, 103 in Co. Sligo, 91 in Co. Dublin, 65 in Co. Monaghan, 63 in Co. Fermanagh, 59 in Co. Louth, and 57 in Co. Meath, etc. In all, ROONEY surname was found in 30 different counties during that time period. It was also found 47 times in Dublin city and 26 times in Belfast city. Again, there were only 5 Co. Cork ROONEY households. Of course, your ROONEYs could be one of those, or perhaps they emigrated from Queenstown/Cobh, Cork. The rare surname KEELER was found in 2 households in Co. Galway, and 1 each in Cos. Down, Sligo and Derry. There were both KEELER and ROONEY households together in the same parishes in Cos. Down, Galway and Sligo. This could be a good clue for a KEELER/ROONEY marriage as couple often met and married someone in their own parish or a neighbor. You can find out in which parishes they both appeared at the website for a small fee. Chances are that they lived in the same area before and after the Primary Valuation. There was apparently no spelling of KAELHER on the Primary Valuation.. Other spellings??? Per the surname search engine at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ - the surnames KELLER and ROONEY both appeared only in Co. Dublin parish/es on the 1848-64 Primary Valuation. KELLER is a mainly Co. Cork surname; there were 18 KELLER households in Co. Cork, another 6 in Cork City, 2 in Cos. Dublin and Wexford and 1 each in Cos. Antrim and Kerry. ROONEY and KELAHER households were both recorded in the same parishes in Cos. Clare, Fermanagh, Galway and Roscommon. Similarly, ROONEY and KELLEHER households found in Cos. Cavan, Cork, Kerry, Leitrim and Tipperary. ROONEY and KELLIHER households in Cos. Cavan, Fermanagh and Kerry. ROONEY and KELIHER households in Co. Cavan. ROONEY and KELIHAN households in Co. Meath. ROONEY and KELEHER households found in Cos. Cavan, Cork, Derry, Galway and Leitrim. ROONEY and KEELIHER households found in Co. Leitrim. ROONEY and KELCHER households in Cos. Cork, Kerry and Tyrone. Again, ROONEY and KELLEGHER households were found in the same parishes in Cos. Armagh, Fermanagh and Leitrim. ROONEY and KELLAGHER households both in same parishes in Co. Fermanagh. ROONEY and KELAGHER households in Co. Longford. The surname KELLAHER was not found on the Primary Valuation, but it is a variation seen. You can check my notes for accuracy at that website. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "grandma audrey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:06 PM Subject: [IRELAND] "Lookup Request - Rooney" > Still looking for my grandfather William Rooney who, I think, was born in > County Cork and immigrated to the US thru Ellis Island in about 1896. He > was born June 27, 1877 to William and Margaret (Keeler or Kaelher) Rooney. > I do not know any of the parishes or even townships,towns, etc., that > would be in the County Cork area. He had two sisters, Ellen and Rose, who > also immigrated to the US and all of them settled in Illinois before > William relocated in Minnesota. Any help would be so much appreciated. - > Audrey Schmitz

Hi Don - On "googling" the web with the DALMENY surname - I started with Ancestry.com. I found a reference to an event for a Clarence Victor DALMENY with 1906 date July-Sept-Aug., Hull, Yorkshire-East Riding, Humberside. I also found a reference to a Mark COUSENS event registration 1914 Jul-Aug-Sept with spouse's name Blanche DALMENY, District Newport M, Glamorgan, ?Gwent, Monmouthshire, ?Scotland. Do you have this? I believe both of those can be found at Ancestry.com but by subscription only, along with other DALMENY data. They had a free BMD Marriage Index 1837-1983 for the UK. If some of the DALMENY is subscription-only data at Ancestry.com, and you don't have a subscription, perhaps a lister who does can help you. Looked like there might be USA data, too. You apparently have been in touch with fellow researcher Audrey DALMENY who has posted queries to the Internet. Apparently DUNMANYN and DALMENIE may be Scottish variations of DALMENY surname. Sorry this note is not very specific, but if you are interested in any of this I (hopefully) backtrack and find same. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY Dear Jean, Again, many thanks for your email. You are a busy lass. I have looked at the sites showing the 1901/1911 census results but nothing so far. We will keep checking. Unfortunately we have no firm details of birth, marriage or deaths or of places, only broad estimates. Other sightings of the Dalmeny surname are Clarence Victor Dalmeny serving as a lieutenant in the 6th Inniskilling Dragoons,( not listed in the British Archives army records) his son also Clarence Victor, a merchant seaman,who in 1906 aged 35 , married Kirstine Lundgreen in Hull in 1906. This suggests that Clarence was born 1871, place unknown.(no other record found); a Blanche Dalmeny who on her second marriage in 1914 described herself as a widow. We found Blanche, maiden name Wallace, in the UK 1901 census as a 13 year old in a girls boarding school. This suggests that she married Dalmeny between cira 1904 and 1913. ( Her vfather was an army man serving in the 17th Lancers, who appears to have died in South Africa in 1902). There is no record of this marriage and death in the UK or Dublin GRO records., and finally there is a Lysle Dalmeny listed as having sailed from Southampton bound for Shanghai in 1906, possible on missionary work. That is about all we have. We look forward to the publication of the Dublin GRO BMD records on the internet (any news about when that may be?) and will keep checking on further listing of the 1901/1911 census. We will always be delighted to hear from anyone who knows of or has any link with the surname Dalmeny Good luck in all your endeavours, Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:36:09 -0700> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY> > Hi - Perhaps on the 1901 or 1911 census of Ireland? Do you have a > date/place of death? J.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Cc: <[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:26 AM> Subject: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY> > > >> > Hi Jean,> > Many thanks for your email. The person that I am looking for is > > Angus Dalmeny. He may have been Scottish, Irish or English or even French > > or Dutch, but no record of him can be found. He may have served as a > > Veterinary Surgeon at the British army Veterinary Hospital based in > > Waterford or in any British or Irish army unit in the period 1880 to 1920. > > He was married to a Margaret Fordham and is believed to have had two sons > > John and Donald and two daughters Margaret and Constance. No record can > > be found for any of his family.> > That is about all I know. Hope it is sufficient for what ever you > > have in mind.> > Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny

Hallo Joan, Many thanks for your email. Lord Dalmeny is a well documented title name given to the eldest son of the Earl of Rosebery but their family name is Primrose. Their are a large number of streets, houses, buildings and business ventures named Dalmeny in many different countries and Ancestry listed all of these in their padded pages. Unfortunately this does not help when you are trying to find genealogical links Also in the USA there is a largish Dalmeny family listed in the California/Oregan/Washington area. However we have established through contact with them that they are all descended from a Gordom Bruce Dalmeny who changed his name from Daniel Clemo in 1924. The earliest find was a Dalmeny family in the Ain department of the Rhone Alpine region of France. Listed there is a Claude Philibert Dalmeny born in 1795. No further record of him has been found. As a surname, the sightings are few and far between and I will be delighted to hear of any reference to the name. sincerely.....Don Dalmeny. > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sa t, 29 Sep 2007 18:07:48 -0700> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY> > Hi Donald, I put Dalmeny in Surname and 1850 in year of birth, all > countries, on ancestry and came up with a bunch. Albert Edward (Lord) > Dalmeny married in England 1909. a Scottish census for 1851 Lord Dalmeny > living in Midlothian, and a lot of phone directories for Eng. I didn't look > at all. Good luck. Joan Whitney on the rainy Washington State USA coast.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Cc: <[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:26 AM> Subject: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY> > > >> > Hi Jean,> > Many thanks for your email. The person that I am looking for is > > Angus Dalmeny. He may have been Scottish, Irish or English or even French > > or Dutch, but no record of him can be found. He may have served as a > > Veterinary Surgeon at the British army Veterinary Hospital based in > > Waterford or in any British or Irish army unit in the period 1880 to 1920. > > He was married to a Margaret Fordham and is believed to have had two sons > > John and Donald and two daughters Margaret and Constance. No record can > > be found for any of his family.> > That is about all I know. Hope it is sufficient for what ever you > > have in mind.> > Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny> > > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 29 Sep > > 2007 03:38:00 -0700> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > Hi Don -- > > What is the name of the person you are looking for and time frame. > He > > was Irish serving in Ireland or England? Can you give more information > > > and put his surnames in caps on the subject line? Jean.> ----- Original > > Message ----- > From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]>> To: > > <[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:43 AM> > > Subject: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > > >> > Hi List,> > Other than the > > British National Archives, is there any other place > > that the names and > > records of the men serving in Irish Regiments can be > > found?> > It > > would appear that there may have been a split between 'War > > Office' and > > 'Irish Command. records at some time in the past or that some > > of the > > records may have been destroyed during the 1940's London blitz.> >> > Don > > Dalmeny> > > -------------------------------> To u!> > nsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live.> > http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting – Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com

WOW Jean R ! Thank you for such a detailed list of Societies and Repositories. That should keep me out of mischief and glued to the screen. You certainly know your stuff. Cheers Janet Jean R. wrote: >Correction: Subject line to previous note should have read societies and/or >record repositories NI & NZ. A "Google" search of their websites will >indicate what they have to offer researchers. J. > > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:40 PM >Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Record Repositories Northern Ireland/NZ - >MAGGIERESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST > > > > >>Check corresponding websites for more info., changes in addresses: >>1. Ulster Historical and Genealogical Guild, Ulster Historical >>Foundation, >>66 Balmoral Ave., Belfast. Publishes :"Familia Ulster Genealogical >>Review." >>2. New Zealand Society of Genealogists, Auckland, NZ. >>3. Belfast Central Library, Royal Avenue, Belfast. >>4. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) FHC, Holywood >>Road, >>Belfast. >>5. GRO, Oxford House, Chichester St., Belfast. >>6. Linen Hall Library, 17 Donegal Square North, Belfast. >>7. Presbyterian Historical Society, Church House, Fisherwick Place, >>Belfast. >>8. PRONI, 66 Balmoral Avenue, Belfast. >>9. Society of Friends (Quaker) Library, Meeting House, Railway Street, >>Lisburn Co. Antrim (Postal queries only). >>10. North-east Area Library, Demesne Ave., Ballymena, Co. Antrim. >>11. Southern Area Library, Brownlow Row, Legahory, Craigavon, Co. Armagh. >>12. South-East Area Library, Windmill Hill, Ballynahinch, Co. Down. >>13. Western Area Library, 41 Dublin Road, Omagh, Co. Tyrone. >>14. North of Ireland FHS, 29 Grange Park, Dunmurry, Belfast. Publishes >>"North Irish Roots." >>15. Irish Heritage Association, 162a Kingsway, Dunmurry, Belfast. >>Publishes "Irish Family Links." >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:17 PM >>Subject: Re: [IRELAND] MAGGIE RESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST >> >> >> >> >>>Hi Jean R <snip> >>> >>> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Donald, I put Dalmeny in Surname and 1850 in year of birth, all countries, on ancestry and came up with a bunch. Albert Edward (Lord) Dalmeny married in England 1909. a Scottish census for 1851 Lord Dalmeny living in Midlothian, and a lot of phone directories for Eng. I didn't look at all. Good luck. Joan Whitney on the rainy Washington State USA coast. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY > > Hi Jean, > Many thanks for your email. The person that I am looking for is > Angus Dalmeny. He may have been Scottish, Irish or English or even French > or Dutch, but no record of him can be found. He may have served as a > Veterinary Surgeon at the British army Veterinary Hospital based in > Waterford or in any British or Irish army unit in the period 1880 to 1920. > He was married to a Margaret Fordham and is believed to have had two sons > John and Donald and two daughters Margaret and Constance. No record can > be found for any of his family. > That is about all I know. Hope it is sufficient for what ever you > have in mind. > Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny > > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 29 Sep > 2007 03:38:00 -0700> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > Hi Don -- > What is the name of the person you are looking for and time frame. > He > was Irish serving in Ireland or England? Can you give more information > > and put his surnames in caps on the subject line? Jean.> ----- Original > Message ----- > From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]>> To: > <[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:43 AM> > Subject: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > > >> > Hi List,> > Other than the > British National Archives, is there any other place > > that the names and > records of the men serving in Irish Regiments can be > > found?> > It > would appear that there may have been a split between 'War > > Office' and > 'Irish Command. records at some time in the past or that some > > of the > records may have been destroyed during the 1940's London blitz.> >> > Don > Dalmeny> > > -------------------------------> To u! > nsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. > http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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Dear Jean, Again, many thanks for your email. You are a busy lass. I have looked at the sites showing the 1901/1911 census results but nothing so far. We will keep checking. Unfortunately we have no firm details of birth, marriage or deaths or of places, only broad estimates. Other sightings of the Dalmeny surname are Clarence Victor Dalmeny serving as a lieutenant in the 6th Inniskilling Dragoons,( not listed in the British Archives army records) his son also Clarence Victor, a merchant seaman,who in 1906 aged 35 , married Kirstine Lundgreen in Hull in 1906. This suggests that Clarence was born 1871, place unknown.(no other record found); a Blanche Dalmeny who on her second marriage in 1914 described herself as a widow. We found Blanche, maiden name Wallace, in the UK 1901 census as a 13 year old in a girls boarding school. This suggests that she married Dalmeny between cira 1904 and 1913. ( Her vfather was an army man serving in the 17th Lancers, who appears to have died in South Africa in 1902). There is no record of this marriage and death in the UK or Dublin GRO records., and finally there is a Lysle Dalmeny listed as having sailed from Southampton bound for Shanghai in 1906, possible on missionary work. That is about all we have. We look forward to the publication of the Dublin GRO BMD records on the internet (any news about when that may be?) and will keep checking on further listing of the 1901/1911 census. We will always be delighted to hear from anyone who knows of or has any link with the surname Dalmeny Good luck in all your endeavours, Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 04:36:09 -0700> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY> > Hi - Perhaps on the 1901 or 1911 census of Ireland? Do you have a > date/place of death? J.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Cc: <[email protected]>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:26 AM> Subject: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY> > > >> > Hi Jean,> > Many thanks for your email. The person that I am looking for is > > Angus Dalmeny. He may have been Scottish, Irish or English or even French > > or Dutch, but no record of him can be found. He may have served as a > > Veterinary Surgeon at the British army Veterinary Hospital based in > > Waterford or in any British or Irish army unit in the period 1880 to 1920. > > He was married to a Margaret Fordham and is believed to have had two sons > > John and Donald and two daughters Margaret and Constance. No record can > > be found for any of his family.> > That is about all I know. Hope it is sufficient for what ever you > > have in mind.> > Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny> > > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 29 Sep > > 2007 03:38:00 -0700> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > Hi Don -- > > What is the name of the person you are looking for and time frame. > He > > was Irish serving in Ireland or England? Can you give more information > > > and put his surnames in caps on the subject line? Jean.> ----- Original > > Message ----- > From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]>> To: > > <[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:43 AM> > > Subject: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > > >> > Hi List,> > Other than the > > British National Archives, is there any other place > > that the names and > > records of the men serving in Irish Regiments can be > > found?> > It > > would appear that there may have been a split between 'War > > Office' and > > 'Irish Command. records at some time in the past or that some > > of the > > records may have been destroyed during the 1940's London blitz.> >> > Don > > Dalmeny> > > -------------------------------> To u!> > nsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live.> > http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is> > believed to be clean.> >> >> >> > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > > 9/27/2007 5:00 PM> >> > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Celeb spotting – Play CelebMashup and win cool prizes https://www.celebmashup.com

Hi Jean, Many thanks for your email. The person that I am looking for is Angus Dalmeny. He may have been Scottish, Irish or English or even French or Dutch, but no record of him can be found. He may have served as a Veterinary Surgeon at the British army Veterinary Hospital based in Waterford or in any British or Irish army unit in the period 1880 to 1920. He was married to a Margaret Fordham and is believed to have had two sons John and Donald and two daughters Margaret and Constance. No record can be found for any of his family. That is about all I know. Hope it is sufficient for what ever you have in mind. Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2007 03:38:00 -0700> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > Hi Don -- What is the name of the person you are looking for and time frame. > He was Irish serving in Ireland or England? Can you give more information > and put his surnames in caps on the subject line? Jean.> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:43 AM> Subject: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > > >> > Hi List,> > Other than the British National Archives, is there any other place > > that the names and records of the men serving in Irish Regiments can be > > found?> > It would appear that there may have been a split between 'War > > Office' and 'Irish Command. records at some time in the past or that some > > of the records may have been destroyed during the 1940's London blitz.> >> > Don Dalmeny> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk

Hi - Perhaps on the 1901 or 1911 census of Ireland? Do you have a date/place of death? J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 4:26 AM Subject: [IRELAND] re. DALMENY > > Hi Jean, > Many thanks for your email. The person that I am looking for is > Angus Dalmeny. He may have been Scottish, Irish or English or even French > or Dutch, but no record of him can be found. He may have served as a > Veterinary Surgeon at the British army Veterinary Hospital based in > Waterford or in any British or Irish army unit in the period 1880 to 1920. > He was married to a Margaret Fordham and is believed to have had two sons > John and Donald and two daughters Margaret and Constance. No record can > be found for any of his family. > That is about all I know. Hope it is sufficient for what ever you > have in mind. > Sincerely.....Don Dalmeny > > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Date: Sat, 29 Sep > 2007 03:38:00 -0700> Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > Hi Don -- > What is the name of the person you are looking for and time frame. > He > was Irish serving in Ireland or England? Can you give more information > > and put his surnames in caps on the subject line? Jean.> ----- Original > Message ----- > From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]>> To: > <[email protected]>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:43 AM> > Subject: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers> > > >> > Hi List,> > Other than the > British National Archives, is there any other place > > that the names and > records of the men serving in Irish Regiments can be > > found?> > It > would appear that there may have been a split between 'War > > Office' and > 'Irish Command. records at some time in the past or that some > > of the > records may have been destroyed during the 1940's London blitz.> >> > Don > Dalmeny> > > -------------------------------> To u! > nsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. > http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.33/1034 - Release Date: > 9/27/2007 5:00 PM > >

RESOURCE: The 1901 Censuses of Ireland include information on the head of household, others enumerated in the household, occupation, marital status, where born (which may not be where they were living in 1901), their relationship to the head of household. Often a second surname is given, which can help to identify a particular family. Census data is being transcribed to at the Leitrim-Roscommon.com website for several Irish counties. Four censuses are complete - Leitrim, Roscommon, Sligo and Mayo. Several others are being transcribed. One would want to conduct a soundex surname search. Playing around with the 1901 search engine, and just entering the word pensioner in the "others enumerated in household" search field, I came up with 166 matches for pensioners to include the following: Army; army pensioner born Co. Tipperary; Boar war; military; naval; railway; prison service; police; RIC; infantry; soldier; National School; teacher; excise pensioner; artillery; navy; London police; American army; Coast Guard (b. England), asylum pensioner, Connaught Rangers, Army pensioner Enniskilling Dragoons (Enniskillen?). I don't think there is a mechanism to pull up pensioners among the heads of household other than on a surname search. The 1901 censuses can be found on microfilms through the LDS (Mormon) FHCs, other. I think they may be found at Ancestry.com as part of a paid subscription, you can check and see. Example: On the 1901 Co. Wexford Census, a Mary FLIGHT (66), lady's nurse, widow, was born in Malta. In the household were Michael DOYLE (40) son-in-law, navy pensioner, Helen DOYLE (34) daughter, born in India, and Mary VENN (17) servant. This household was in Duncannon townland, St. James & Dunbrody Parish, Shelbourne Barony, Co. Wexford, Ireland. Try typing the name of a county or country on the 1901 census search engine into the "enumerated with others" field. There were 64 households with references to India, and there were 415 with references to Scotland from 1901 censuses information transcribed so far on Cos. Westmeath, Wexford, Galway, Sligo, Mayo, Donegal, Leitrim and Roscommon. Probably worth your while to check now and in the future. This is on an ongoing project. You can try England, etc. Again, I couldn't find a mechanism to call up heads of household (except by surname or given name). Jean

Hi Don -- What is the name of the person you are looking for and time frame. He was Irish serving in Ireland or England? Can you give more information and put his surnames in caps on the subject line? Jean. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Dalmeny" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:43 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Irish Soldiers > > Hi List, > Other than the British National Archives, is there any other place > that the names and records of the men serving in Irish Regiments can be > found? > It would appear that there may have been a split between 'War > Office' and 'Irish Command. records at some time in the past or that some > of the records may have been destroyed during the 1940's London blitz. > > Don Dalmeny

Hi Jean R Thank you very much for your advice. Am already onto it, and quite excited at the thought of finally getting to the bottom of this 30 year brick wall. Cheers from Janet in Christchurch New Zealand,on a sunny spring day. Jean R. wrote: >Hi Janet in NZ -- Try contacting the e-mail address below for advice. Per >the Familia: Northern Ireland North Eastern Education and Library Board >website: > >Area Local Studies Service >Ballymena Central Library >5 Pat's Brae >Ballymena >County Antrim >Northern Ireland >BT43 5AX >Tel: 028 2563 3950/2563 3960 >Fax: 028 25 632038 >Email: [email protected] >Contact: Michael Lynn, Local Studies Development Officer >Or Elizabeth Hoy, Enquiry/Research Assistant >Or Sharon McQuillan, Project/Research Assistant >3. Research Service >Service available? Yes > >Fee-based? No > >Provided by local Record Office? The Public Record Office of Northern >Ireland will undertake a limited search if reference numbers of items are >provided: they will not undertake a full family history search on an >individual's behalf. >A number of professional genealogists within Northern Ireland will conduct a >search on your behalf for a fee. > >Ask them about a look-up of RESTALL name in early 1900's Balmoral city >directories, but also if they think Land Valuation records might be fruitful >in your case. > >Jean >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:47 PM >Subject: [IRELAND] MAGGIE RESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST > > > > >>Hi Ireland Listers >> >>After years of searching for my great aunt MAGGIE RESTALL nee BROWN of >>Perth, Scotland I now find she died at 20 Adelaide Ave, Balmoral, >>Belfast in 1930. (Thanks to a death notice in the card system at the A K >>Bell Library in Perth). >>Where would I find a directory that might tell me the owner of the >>property and is there is a searchable newspaper for a death notice? >> >>I have been to Ireland but doubt I will be back even though I loved it >>and it is a lot like New Zealand where I live. >>Would be grateful for any ideas. >>Cheers Janet >>New Zealand >> >>Ancestors from Ireland I am tracing.. DINEEN (Bandon County Cork). >>SLOAN and MCGARRITY. >> >> > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi Ireland Listers After years of searching for my great aunt MAGGIE RESTALL nee BROWN of Perth, Scotland I now find she died at 20 Adelaide Ave, Balmoral, Belfast in 1930. (Thanks to a death notice in the card system at the A K Bell Library in Perth). Where would I find a directory that might tell me the owner of the property and is there is a searchable newspaper for a death notice? I have been to Ireland but doubt I will be back even though I loved it and it is a lot like New Zealand where I live. Would be grateful for any ideas. Cheers Janet New Zealand Ancestors from Ireland I am tracing.. DINEEN (Bandon County Cork). SLOAN and MCGARRITY.

Correction: Subject line to previous note should have read societies and/or record repositories NI & NZ. A "Google" search of their websites will indicate what they have to offer researchers. J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Record Repositories Northern Ireland/NZ - MAGGIERESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST > Check corresponding websites for more info., changes in addresses: > 1. Ulster Historical and Genealogical Guild, Ulster Historical > Foundation, > 66 Balmoral Ave., Belfast. Publishes :"Familia Ulster Genealogical > Review." > 2. New Zealand Society of Genealogists, Auckland, NZ. > 3. Belfast Central Library, Royal Avenue, Belfast. > 4. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) FHC, Holywood > Road, > Belfast. > 5. GRO, Oxford House, Chichester St., Belfast. > 6. Linen Hall Library, 17 Donegal Square North, Belfast. > 7. Presbyterian Historical Society, Church House, Fisherwick Place, > Belfast. > 8. PRONI, 66 Balmoral Avenue, Belfast. > 9. Society of Friends (Quaker) Library, Meeting House, Railway Street, > Lisburn Co. Antrim (Postal queries only). > 10. North-east Area Library, Demesne Ave., Ballymena, Co. Antrim. > 11. Southern Area Library, Brownlow Row, Legahory, Craigavon, Co. Armagh. > 12. South-East Area Library, Windmill Hill, Ballynahinch, Co. Down. > 13. Western Area Library, 41 Dublin Road, Omagh, Co. Tyrone. > 14. North of Ireland FHS, 29 Grange Park, Dunmurry, Belfast. Publishes > "North Irish Roots." > 15. Irish Heritage Association, 162a Kingsway, Dunmurry, Belfast. > Publishes "Irish Family Links." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] MAGGIE RESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST > > >> Hi Jean R <snip>

Check corresponding websites for more info., changes in addresses: 1. Ulster Historical and Genealogical Guild, Ulster Historical Foundation, 66 Balmoral Ave., Belfast. Publishes :"Familia Ulster Genealogical Review." 2. New Zealand Society of Genealogists, Auckland, NZ. 3. Belfast Central Library, Royal Avenue, Belfast. 4. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon) FHC, Holywood Road, Belfast. 5. GRO, Oxford House, Chichester St., Belfast. 6. Linen Hall Library, 17 Donegal Square North, Belfast. 7. Presbyterian Historical Society, Church House, Fisherwick Place, Belfast. 8. PRONI, 66 Balmoral Avenue, Belfast. 9. Society of Friends (Quaker) Library, Meeting House, Railway Street, Lisburn Co. Antrim (Postal queries only). 10. North-east Area Library, Demesne Ave., Ballymena, Co. Antrim. 11. Southern Area Library, Brownlow Row, Legahory, Craigavon, Co. Armagh. 12. South-East Area Library, Windmill Hill, Ballynahinch, Co. Down. 13. Western Area Library, 41 Dublin Road, Omagh, Co. Tyrone. 14. North of Ireland FHS, 29 Grange Park, Dunmurry, Belfast. Publishes "North Irish Roots." 15. Irish Heritage Association, 162a Kingsway, Dunmurry, Belfast. Publishes "Irish Family Links." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] MAGGIE RESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST > Hi Jean R > Thank you very much for your advice. Am already onto it, and quite > excited at the thought of finally getting to the bottom of this 30 year > brick wall. > Cheers from Janet in Christchurch New Zealand,on a sunny spring day. > > > Jean R. wrote: > >>Hi Janet in NZ -- Try contacting the e-mail address below for advice. >>Per >>the Familia: Northern Ireland North Eastern Education and Library Board >>website: >> >>Area Local Studies Service >>Ballymena Central Library >>5 Pat's Brae >>Ballymena >>County Antrim >>Northern Ireland >>BT43 5AX >>Tel: 028 2563 3950/2563 3960 >>Fax: 028 25 632038 >>Email: [email protected] >>Contact: Michael Lynn, Local Studies Development Officer >>Or Elizabeth Hoy, Enquiry/Research Assistant >>Or Sharon McQuillan, Project/Research Assistant >>3. Research Service >>Service available? Yes >> >>Fee-based? No >> >>Provided by local Record Office? The Public Record Office of Northern >>Ireland will undertake a limited search if reference numbers of items are >>provided: they will not undertake a full family history search on an >>individual's behalf. >>A number of professional genealogists within Northern Ireland will conduct >>a >>search on your behalf for a fee. >> >>Ask them about a look-up of RESTALL name in early 1900's Balmoral city >>directories, but also if they think Land Valuation records might be >>fruitful >>in your case. >> >>Jean >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:47 PM >>Subject: [IRELAND] MAGGIE RESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST >> >> >> >> >>>Hi Ireland Listers >>> >>>After years of searching for my great aunt MAGGIE RESTALL nee BROWN of >>>Perth, Scotland I now find she died at 20 Adelaide Ave, Balmoral, >>>Belfast in 1930. (Thanks to a death notice in the card system at the A K >>>Bell Library in Perth). >>>Where would I find a directory that might tell me the owner of the >>>property and is there is a searchable newspaper for a death notice? >>> >>>I have been to Ireland but doubt I will be back even though I loved it >>>and it is a lot like New Zealand where I live. >>>Would be grateful for any ideas. >>>Cheers Janet >>>New Zealand >>> >>>Ancestors from Ireland I am tracing.. DINEEN (Bandon County Cork). >>>SLOAN and MCGARRITY. >>> >>> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.32/1033 - Release Date: > 9/27/2007 11:06 AM > >

Hi Janet -- Me again. Consider the RAOGK website; volunteers there do genealogical look-ups for little or nothing. Full title is Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness, but you can just type RAOGK in your browser. Perhaps someone who visits Belfast-area resources on a regular basis would do some look-ups in old directories or perhaps microfiched phone books. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: [IRELAND] MAGGIE RESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST > Hi Ireland Listers > > After years of searching for my great aunt MAGGIE RESTALL nee BROWN of > Perth, Scotland I now find she died at 20 Adelaide Ave, Balmoral, > Belfast in 1930. (Thanks to a death notice in the card system at the A K > Bell Library in Perth). > Where would I find a directory that might tell me the owner of the > property and is there is a searchable newspaper for a death notice? > > Would be grateful for any ideas. > Cheers Janet > New Zealand > > Ancestors from Ireland I am tracing.. DINEEN (Bandon County Cork). > SLOAN and MCGARRITY.

Hi Janet in NZ -- Try contacting the e-mail address below for advice. Per the Familia: Northern Ireland North Eastern Education and Library Board website: Area Local Studies Service Ballymena Central Library 5 Pat's Brae Ballymena County Antrim Northern Ireland BT43 5AX Tel: 028 2563 3950/2563 3960 Fax: 028 25 632038 Email: [email protected] Contact: Michael Lynn, Local Studies Development Officer Or Elizabeth Hoy, Enquiry/Research Assistant Or Sharon McQuillan, Project/Research Assistant 3. Research Service Service available? Yes Fee-based? No Provided by local Record Office? The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland will undertake a limited search if reference numbers of items are provided: they will not undertake a full family history search on an individual's behalf. A number of professional genealogists within Northern Ireland will conduct a search on your behalf for a fee. Ask them about a look-up of RESTALL name in early 1900's Balmoral city directories, but also if they think Land Valuation records might be fruitful in your case. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 1:47 PM Subject: [IRELAND] MAGGIE RESTALL- BALMORAL BELFAST > Hi Ireland Listers > > After years of searching for my great aunt MAGGIE RESTALL nee BROWN of > Perth, Scotland I now find she died at 20 Adelaide Ave, Balmoral, > Belfast in 1930. (Thanks to a death notice in the card system at the A K > Bell Library in Perth). > Where would I find a directory that might tell me the owner of the > property and is there is a searchable newspaper for a death notice? > > I have been to Ireland but doubt I will be back even though I loved it > and it is a lot like New Zealand where I live. > Would be grateful for any ideas. > Cheers Janet > New Zealand > > Ancestors from Ireland I am tracing.. DINEEN (Bandon County Cork). > SLOAN and MCGARRITY.

Hi list, stray from Radbourne Dbys. RADBOURNE BURIAL 21 Jul 1862 Elizabeth THOMPSON Co. Tippererarry, Drom, Ireland 38 in Mugginton. mike http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm