Jean I was pretty sure of that until about an hour ago when i got a magnifying glass and read the school report from the diocese of Bansha, it is a catholic school. My mother always said they were protestant but I had my doubts. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] "Kilshane" & "Bansha" placenames - SINCLAIR/ BDMsearches > BANSHA T. xx Tipperary, S.R. Clanwilliam Templeneiry Tipperary > Munster > Bansha 296 Clare Islands Killone Ennis Munster > Bansha 104 Limerick Kenry Kilcornan Rathkeale Munster > Bansha East 125 Tipperary, S.R. Clanwilliam Templeneiry Tipperary > Munster > Bansha West 509 Tipperary, S.R. Clanwilliam Templeneiry Tipperary > Munster > Banshagh 310 Kerry Trughanacmy Killorglin Killarney Munster > > Kilshane 28 Limerick Connello Upper Ballingarry Croom Munster > Kilshane 472 Dublin Castleknock Finglas Dublin North Leinster > Kilshane 204 Tipperary, S.R. Clanwilliam Kilshane Tipperary Munster > > > KEY: Townland or Town, Acres, County, Barony, Civil Parish, Poor Law > Union, > Province. > > Hi Dianne in Australia - Are you certain they were Protestants? Most > large > families were Catholic. Jean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dianne & Lyndon Wild" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:58 PM > Subject: [IRELAND] BDM searches > > >> Hello, I am new to this list and am in need of some advise. I am >> searching >> for my GGrandfather Joseph Sinclair B Aug 1864 in County Tipperary. I >> know >> that he moved to England and married my GGrandmother but it is life in >> Ireland that is a mystery. Family says that he was one of 18 children, >> protestant and born in County Tipperary. I have a church name of Kilshane >> , where there are supposed to me family members buried and a parish >> school >> name of Bansha, but that is all that I know,.Can anyone send me in the >> right direction as to how I might go about finding his birth as I do not >> know his parents names. I understand that Civil Registration in Ireland >> began in Jan 1864 so that must be a plus for my search. I have located >> films on the LDS site but as there are so many for 1864 I am unsure which >> ones to order as they are numbered 1 through to 20's.Any help would be >> greatly appreciated. >> >> Dianne >> Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks again Kath, from what my great aunt told me he was one of 18 children,. I know that our Joseph was in England in 1897 when he married my GGrandmother, he died there in 1927 and as far as we know never returned to Ireland, they are in the British Census of 1901 and I think I located him in the 1891 Census in England prior to his marraige. His son was named Thomas, not that is definitive. I have his school record from the parish of Bansha and I think I may hve found his grandfather in Kilshane on the Griffin Valuation register. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "KerryKate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BDM searches/Sinclair > You are most welcome. > > I did a search also of British isles vital records index cds and turns up > two other males born to same couple. (Sinclair/Turner) > > No given name when the male's births were registered. (according to the > index of births on the CD) > > (a bit strange) really when you think of that fact. Three males, with no > given names at birth regristration. > Male Sinclair born Aug 1864 > Male Sinclair born 24th Jan 1870 > > third male Sinclair born 22 Nov 1973 > > If you find the one born Aug 1864 is Joseph, it would be worth following > up > the 1901 and 1911 census of > the parish. > > KerryKate > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Kate, that is a start, I appreciate your help Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "KerryKate" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BDM searches/Sinclair > Regarding your search for information on Sinclair. > the LDS site > www.familysearch.org turned up the following. > Note the August 1864 birth does not have a given name. > (only surname of Sinclair) > You could try for that particular birth record, and if the given name > matches that of your Joseph, > you have two sisters below for him. > Martha Jane Sinclair birth registered Bansha > **************************************************************** > Father: Thomas Sinclair, Mother: Mary Turner > > > International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3 > > 1. SINCLAIR - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Male Birth: 07 AUG 1864 0712, Tipperary, > Tipperary, Ireland > > 2. FRANCES SINCLAIR - International Genealogical Index > Gender: Female Birth: 15 DEC 1866 0668, Tipperary, > Tipperary, Ireland > > 3. Martha Jane <Sinclair> - International Genealogical > Index > Gender: Female Birth: 16 JUL 1872 653, Bansha, Tipperary, > Ireland > ************************************************************************ > The LDS have microfilmed the 1901 and 1911 census but not sure if they > have > parish records microfilmed > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, I am new to this list and am in need of some advise. I am searching for my GGrandfather Joseph Sinclair B Aug 1864 in County Tipperary. I know that he moved to England and married my GGrandmother but it is life in Ireland that is a mystery. Family says that he was one of 18 children, protestant and born in County Tipperary. I have a church name of Kilshane , where there are supposed to me family members buried and a parish school name of Bansha, but that is all that I know,.Can anyone send me in the right direction as to how I might go about finding his birth as I do not know his parents names. I understand that Civil Registration in Ireland began in Jan 1864 so that must be a plus for my search. I have located films on the LDS site but as there are so many for 1864 I am unsure which ones to order as they are numbered 1 through to 20's.Any help would be greatly appreciated. Dianne Australia

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>>I am searching for my GGrandfather Joseph Sinclair B Aug 1864 in County Tipperary<< While there are 20 films of births for 1864, there is only one film of the birth index - 0101041. Linda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

RESOURCE: National Archives Ireland www.nationalarchives.ie Check out what the National Archives of Ireland website has to offer for researchers who visit their facility in Dublin. Resources include various National School Roll Books/Registers received via the Department of Education for Cos. Cavan, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kilkenny, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon,Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. School records received via private donation include Cos. Cavan, Carlow, Cork, Donegal, Dublin, Galway, Kerry, Kildare, Laois, Leitrim, Longford, Mayo, Meath, Monaghan, Offaly, Roscommon, Sligo, Tipperary, Waterford, Westmeath, Wexford and Wicklow. I found that the easiest way for me to locate their school records page at the website was to simply do a "Google" website search for keywords National School Records. (I had problems locating it using their website index, but you may not.) While I don't believe the personnel at the Archives do research for the general public, they do take queries, have tips on using their facility and apparently have a list of genealogists who do research on some materials for a fee. There is also genealogical material you can access free from their website.

RESOURCE: The Valuation Office in Dublin can be an excellent resource for those fortunate researchers who know where their ancestors actually lived in Ireland. Research can be carried out for rural areas if, at a minimum, you know the name of the county, the name of the townland and the name of the person or family. Research for cities and towns require the name of the street, in addition. The Valuation Office set up to carry out the original Primary Valuation, is still in existence at the Irish Life Centre, Abbey St. Lower, Dublin 1 (prev. at Ely Place) and has two related sets of records which are potentially quite valuable. The first of these are the notebooks used by the original Valuation surveyors, consisting of "field books," "house book" and "tenure books." All three record a map reference for the holdings they deal with, as in the published Valuation. The fields books then record information on the size and quality of the holding, the house books record the occupiers' names and the measurement of any buildings on their holdings, and the tenure books give the annual rent paid and the legal basis on which the holding is occupied, whether by lease or at will. The tenure books also give the YEAR OF ANY LEASE, useful to know before searching estate papers or the Registry of Deeds. As well as containing information such as this, which does not appear in the published Valuation, the valuers' notebooks can also be useful in documenting any changes in occupation between the initial survey and the published results, for instance, if a family emigrated in the years immediately before publication, since they pre-date the final publication itself by several years. Unfortunately they are not extant for all areas. The National Archives now houses those which survive for the Republic of Ireland. Those covering Northern Ireland are now to be found in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. The Valuation Office in Dublin contains the second set of useful records. These are the "Cancelled Land Books" and "Current Land Books," giving details of all changes in the holdings, from the time of the primary valuation up to the present day. Any variations in the size or status of the holding, the names of the occupier or lessor, or the valuation itself, are given in the revisions carried out every few years. The Books can be very useful in helping to clarify a possible time of death, date of emigration or identifying a living relative. Per Irish genealogy expert and author, John GRENHAM, a large majority of those who were in occupation of a holding by the 1890s, when the Land Acts begin to subsidize the purchase of the land by its tenant-farmers, HAVE DESCENDANTS OR RELATIVES STILL LIVING IN THE SAME AREA. The Cancelled Land Books for Northern Ireland are now in the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland. As I understand it, you can conduct your own research or have the Valuation Office do it. There is a fee involved. Check their website for details (updates or changes) at http://www.valoff.ie/Genealogy.htm

I have a copy of my 3rd. great grandmother, Elizabeth TULLY. Her daughter Jane TULLY is listed as the informant and her residence is Dublin. That's all it says for her address. This was circa 1872-75, my files are at home. So my question is, would this be Dublin city or Co.Dublin? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sharon/USA [email protected] "One Nation Under God" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Dianne -- Thank goodness for magnifying glasses! It is said that people get interested in genealogy just as their eyesight starts failing. I've heard of Catholics converting to Protestantism in the mists of time, often from fear, coercion or to save their property from being confiscated, but not the other way around. J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Lyndon Wild" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] "Kilshane" & "Bansha" placenames - SINCLAIR/BDMsearches > Jean I was pretty sure of that until about an hour ago when i got a > magnifying glass and read the school report from the diocese of Bansha, it > is a catholic school. My mother always said they were protestant but I had > my doubts. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 5:09 PM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] "Kilshane" & "Bansha" placenames - SINCLAIR/ > BDMsearches

BANSHA T. xx Tipperary, S.R. Clanwilliam Templeneiry Tipperary Munster Bansha 296 Clare Islands Killone Ennis Munster Bansha 104 Limerick Kenry Kilcornan Rathkeale Munster Bansha East 125 Tipperary, S.R. Clanwilliam Templeneiry Tipperary Munster Bansha West 509 Tipperary, S.R. Clanwilliam Templeneiry Tipperary Munster Banshagh 310 Kerry Trughanacmy Killorglin Killarney Munster Kilshane 28 Limerick Connello Upper Ballingarry Croom Munster Kilshane 472 Dublin Castleknock Finglas Dublin North Leinster Kilshane 204 Tipperary, S.R. Clanwilliam Kilshane Tipperary Munster KEY: Townland or Town, Acres, County, Barony, Civil Parish, Poor Law Union, Province. Hi Dianne in Australia - Are you certain they were Protestants? Most large families were Catholic. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dianne & Lyndon Wild" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: [IRELAND] BDM searches > Hello, I am new to this list and am in need of some advise. I am searching > for my GGrandfather Joseph Sinclair B Aug 1864 in County Tipperary. I know > that he moved to England and married my GGrandmother but it is life in > Ireland that is a mystery. Family says that he was one of 18 children, > protestant and born in County Tipperary. I have a church name of Kilshane > , where there are supposed to me family members buried and a parish school > name of Bansha, but that is all that I know,.Can anyone send me in the > right direction as to how I might go about finding his birth as I do not > know his parents names. I understand that Civil Registration in Ireland > began in Jan 1864 so that must be a plus for my search. I have located > films on the LDS site but as there are so many for 1864 I am unsure which > ones to order as they are numbered 1 through to 20's.Any help would be > greatly appreciated. > > Dianne > Australia

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You are most welcome. I did a search also of British isles vital records index cds and turns up two other males born to same couple. (Sinclair/Turner) No given name when the male's births were registered. (according to the index of births on the CD) (a bit strange) really when you think of that fact. Three males, with no given names at birth regristration. Male Sinclair born Aug 1864 Male Sinclair born 24th Jan 1870 third male Sinclair born 22 Nov 1973 If you find the one born Aug 1864 is Joseph, it would be worth following up the 1901 and 1911 census of the parish. KerryKate

-- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Saunders Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRELAND] more Tipperary tithes online You will find the URL under Pat's name. Mike On 10/15/07, Vivian Dickinson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Pat - could you please give me your actual URL? I just tried > www.patconnors.com and it was rejected. > > Thanks. > > Vivian Dickinson > > > At 04:28 PM 31/05/2007, you wrote: > >I have just put up the tithe applotments for the following civil > >parishes: Cordangan 1832, Corrogue 1832 and Lattin for both 1825 and > >1832. You can find links to them on the Tipperary section of my website. > > > >-- > >Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Regarding your search for information on Sinclair. the LDS site www.familysearch.org turned up the following. Note the August 1864 birth does not have a given name. (only surname of Sinclair) You could try for that particular birth record, and if the given name matches that of your Joseph, you have two sisters below for him. Martha Jane Sinclair birth registered Bansha **************************************************************** Father: Thomas Sinclair, Mother: Mary Turner International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 3 1. SINCLAIR - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 07 AUG 1864 0712, Tipperary, Tipperary, Ireland 2. FRANCES SINCLAIR - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 15 DEC 1866 0668, Tipperary, Tipperary, Ireland 3. Martha Jane <Sinclair> - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 16 JUL 1872 653, Bansha, Tipperary, Ireland ************************************************************************ The LDS have microfilmed the 1901 and 1911 census but not sure if they have parish records microfilmed

You will find the URL under Pat's name. Mike On 10/15/07, Vivian Dickinson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Pat - could you please give me your actual URL? I just tried > www.patconnors.com and it was rejected. > > Thanks. > > Vivian Dickinson > > > At 04:28 PM 31/05/2007, you wrote: > >I have just put up the tithe applotments for the following civil > >parishes: Cordangan 1832, Corrogue 1832 and Lattin for both 1825 and > >1832. You can find links to them on the Tipperary section of my website. > > > >-- > >Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Pat - could you please give me your actual URL? I just tried www.patconnors.com and it was rejected. Thanks. Vivian Dickinson At 04:28 PM 31/05/2007, you wrote: >I have just put up the tithe applotments for the following civil >parishes: Cordangan 1832, Corrogue 1832 and Lattin for both 1825 and >1832. You can find links to them on the Tipperary section of my website. > >-- >Pat Connors, Sacramento CA >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi fellow Listers, In the 1871 English census my gg/grandfather, John Mc Carthy, said he was born in "Glendon" Cork ireland. Also, in the same census my gg/grandmother, Ellen Mc Carthy, said she was born in "Rosca" Kery Ireland. What I would like to know is, are these names of towns, or could they be transcription errors? Regards, Roger Mc Carthy (Australia). _________________________________________________________________ Overpaid or Underpaid? Check our comprehensive Salary Centre http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fcontent%2Emycareer%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fsalary%2Dcentre%3Fs%5Fcid%3D595810&_t=766724125&_r=Hotmail_Email_Tagline_MyCareer_Oct07&_m=EXT