I agree... I will contact this gal I met this week and send you her email address etc. Maybe she'll have a match for you. It would be great if we could just post family names, like when we do rollcall and maybe there is a match. I think most people that collect these things probably make enough on what they have that is unmatchable to pass on what is matchable. At least that is what I would do. I'll keep my eyes open here for information. Ginger Aarons, CTC, Director Time Travel P.O. Box 23908 Portland, OR 97281-3908 503-454-0897 tollfree and fax 877-787-7807 cell 503-421-0029 www.timetraveltours.com MEMBERS OF : ASTA, ICTA & CLIA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

I will try to post some additions to the IGP Archives. I apologize if some of this is old news. These are only ones I have uploaded. Cathy Labath will update on her counties. So... ANTRIM: HEADSTONES: LARMOUR photos from Raloo Church of Ireland graveyard. Family Burying Ground of James M. McALISTER CORK: LAND: Vol. 4, No. 4 - Estate of Jonas Morris TOWNSEND & John Henry TOWNSEND Vol. 4, No. 5 - Estate of Alexander O Driscoll TAYLOR. Lot 1 -3 Vol. 4, No. 7 - Estate of Charlotte JERVOIS, the Younger et al. Ballinringlanig VITALS: Marriage Record John Burke and Bridget Daveron - 1872 DERRY: HEADSTONES: Enagh Old Church, Glendermott Old Cemetery - MITCHELBURN, Glendermott Parish St. Augustine's Church Cem., St. Augustine's Church Cemetery, St Columbs Cathedral. VITAL RECORDS: Marriage Record John Burke and Bridget Daveron - 1872 DONEGAL: CENSUS SUBS: Flax Growers of Ireland, 1796 - Parishes of Killibegs, Kilcar, Kilbarron & Killaghtee, incluiding the number of spinning wheels. DOWN: CENSUS: 1901 Census, Mountain Rd., Kilkeel Civil Parish 1901 Census, Mourne Mountains Middle, Kilkeel Civil Parish 1901 Census, Kilkeel Harbour, Kilkeel Civil Parish 1901 Census, Aughoghill Townland, Kilkeel Civil Parish 1901 Census, Ballygowan Townland, Kilkeel Civil Parish DUBLIN: HEADSTONES: We have our first headstones for the Dublin section of the IGP cemetery is Deansgrave. KILKENNY: CEMETERY: Muckalee (Memorials) Old Churchyard, Barony of Fassardinan LEITRIM: HEADSTONES: Cloonmorris Cemetery, Bornacoola, Co Leitrim. (3 images) LONGFORD: Old Ballinamuck Cemetery - Tully Memorial Columbcille Cemetery Columbcille Cemetery - Hourican & Duignan TIPPERARY: Some marriages and baptisms from St. Michael's & John's Church in Cloughjordan. The Baptisms are for the names: MULLALLY, MULLANPHY, MULVIHILL, QUINLAN, QUINLISK. CEMETERY: Kilmore Inscriptions, List of Names only. NEWSPAPER: Nenagh Guardian News items. 1860's VITALS: BURKE baptisms - children of John & Bridget, Clogheen WILLS: CROWLEY, 1865 WICKLOW: We have added Burials at Redcross (C. of I.). also HEPPENSTALL & McDONNELL headstones at Christ Church (CoI) Delgany. 1881-1888 To view any of these go to: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ and click on the county and then section you want to see. Christina I don't have anything further on any of these items. :) Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives

Hi Ginger, I agree with you. When I see these items at flea mrk, I get sad that some family is missing out. Sometimes, if the price is right I get them an post to rootsweb. In my family, I was to young, when my granmom passed an my aunt called a junk man an he carted away all granmoms stuff ( a bible from Germany with family history) I would give my eye teeth for that stuff. I search every chance I get. Good luck in your search. Lorri searching- ALLEN-BARNETT-CARROLL-BURNS GEIGER-Veach -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN DONAHUE ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 2:18 PM Subject: [IRELAND] General Question to the Group > Hi everyone... ! > > I was at Portland's Antique fare this weekend and stopped by a booth that > was > chock full of old pictures (instant family) and actual binders full of > family letters (some archived from 1905-present) for a senator from > California ( > for example) and inquired to them about presenting it to > Rootsweb/Ancestry to > whomever families might be interested. I often wonder when I see family > bibles > up for sale at auction or at a fare that the families don't want them, but > bet that somewhere some family historian that might be a distant cousin > would > give their eye teeth for it if only someone had asked! Theses of course > are now > for sale... instead of being handed down to the appropriate person (s). > > My question is that if they were offered, would anyone be interested in > buying them? I was trying to encourage this gal, but she said that after > contacting some of the family members, no one wanted them. She had given > up on the idea > of someone wanting to pay for the information. I feel she is wrong. Not > all > of her info was expensive, but some of the archived ones were going in the > $100's. But, for that it was a binder at least 4 inches thick of > correspondence > between certain family members. > > Anyone wanting to comment can post off list.. or if we would like to have > the > bigger discussion on proper preservation of family documents, even our > responsibility to leave these things, in our wills if need be, to the > family > historian, no matter how distant a cousin.... might be beneficial to all. > But, then > again, I'm probably preaching to the choir! > > If there is already a service like this, please let me know that as well. > > All the best, > Ginger > > Ginger Aarons, CTC, Director > Time Travel > P.O. Box 23908 > Portland, OR 97281-3908 > 503-454-0897 > tollfree and fax 877-787-7807 > cell 503-421-0029 > www.timetraveltours.com > MEMBERS OF : ASTA, ICTA & CLIA > > > ************************************** > See > what's new at http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi everyone... ! I was at Portland's Antique fare this weekend and stopped by a booth that was chock full of old pictures (instant family) and actual binders full of family letters (some archived from 1905-present) for a senator from California ( for example) and inquired to them about presenting it to Rootsweb/Ancestry to whomever families might be interested. I often wonder when I see family bibles up for sale at auction or at a fare that the families don't want them, but bet that somewhere some family historian that might be a distant cousin would give their eye teeth for it if only someone had asked! Theses of course are now for sale... instead of being handed down to the appropriate person (s). My question is that if they were offered, would anyone be interested in buying them? I was trying to encourage this gal, but she said that after contacting some of the family members, no one wanted them. She had given up on the idea of someone wanting to pay for the information. I feel she is wrong. Not all of her info was expensive, but some of the archived ones were going in the $100's. But, for that it was a binder at least 4 inches thick of correspondence between certain family members. Anyone wanting to comment can post off list.. or if we would like to have the bigger discussion on proper preservation of family documents, even our responsibility to leave these things, in our wills if need be, to the family historian, no matter how distant a cousin.... might be beneficial to all. But, then again, I'm probably preaching to the choir! If there is already a service like this, please let me know that as well. All the best, Ginger Ginger Aarons, CTC, Director Time Travel P.O. Box 23908 Portland, OR 97281-3908 503-454-0897 tollfree and fax 877-787-7807 cell 503-421-0029 www.timetraveltours.com MEMBERS OF : ASTA, ICTA & CLIA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi Ginger -- What you describe is a valuable and untapped resource for genealogist!! What a shame to have it ultimately discarded! Is there a way to list the name or surnames in the family albums, groupings? Most of my families I am researching lived in Portland, OR. It would be my dream to find something more. I purchased some still-legible American Civil War letters written to a wounded SMITH soldier in the Union Army from IA by several members of his family years ago at a vintage postcard shop. They were full of history, names and places, and so I ultimately transcribed the contents to Rootsweb. Before long two researchers recognized the soldier and/or his relatives as their kin and contacted me. They were thrilled, and so was I! I loved the letters, didn't want to part with them, but I gladly photocopied them for free. One letter had a charming drawing of the local "school marm." Another was written on stationery that had a ACW poem about deserters imprinted across the top of the page. The person who sold them to me said that someone had come by their store and just wanted to purchase the elaborate envelopes for the stamps and postmarks, wasn't interested in the marvelous letters, had left them behind. I also have transcribed contents of a couple Spokane, WA 1920's high school books I have found at Antique shows to Rootsweb. I have also made "matches" from queries from old genealogical magazines. In fact, one successful match was made between a Donegal gentleman who was looking for his East Coast USA family. I would do more of it as a hobby had I more money to spend buying the ephemera but am on a fixed SS income. Oddly enough, my friend who owned the vintage postcard shop had also shown me a little handmade diary with an account of the authoresses' grandfather's Revolutionary War service as told to her. I wondered if it was a true account or whether it was a fanciful story. I checked the Internet to see if the names and dates and places and battles matched, later, much to my delight, found a website with the name of the authoress and her grandfather and grandmother in the FH there. Everything matched - names, places, dates, birthdates! I was thrilled! When I contacted the person who had put his FH on the web he said that he was not interested in the material as he already "had a ton on the family" and was deeply disappointed that his own children were not interested in all his life-long genealogical work, would probably just dump it all, and to just give the booklet to a library. That really stunned me! Maybe I am dreaming, but I would think that antique show owners of this type of material wouldn't have much luck selling same to strangers and could do their part in preserving history by letting it go for little or nothing to related families or transcribers or to genealogical libraries. Not everything should be for sale! That's why I support free genealogy websites. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:18 AM Subject: [IRELAND] General Question to the Group > Hi everyone... ! > > I was at Portland's Antique fare this weekend and stopped by a booth that > was > chock full of old pictures (instant family) and actual binders full of > family letters (some archived from 1905-present) for a senator from > California ( > for example) and inquired to them about presenting it to > Rootsweb/Ancestry to > whomever families might be interested. I often wonder when I see family > bibles > up for sale at auction or at a fare that the families don't want them, but > bet that somewhere some family historian that might be a distant cousin > would > give their eye teeth for it if only someone had asked! Theses of course > are now > for sale... instead of being handed down to the appropriate person (s). > > My question is that if they were offered, would anyone be interested in > buying them? I was trying to encourage this gal, but she said that after > contacting some of the family members, no one wanted them. She had given > up on the idea > of someone wanting to pay for the information. I feel she is wrong. Not > all > of her info was expensive, but some of the archived ones were going in the > $100's. But, for that it was a binder at least 4 inches thick of > correspondence > between certain family members. > > Anyone wanting to comment can post off list.. or if we would like to have > the > bigger discussion on proper preservation of family documents, even our > responsibility to leave these things, in our wills if need be, to the > family > historian, no matter how distant a cousin.... might be beneficial to all. > But, then > again, I'm probably preaching to the choir! > > If there is already a service like this, please let me know that as well. > > All the best, > Ginger > > Ginger Aarons, CTC, Director > Time Travel > P.O. Box 23908 > Portland, OR 97281-3908 > 503-454-0897 > tollfree and fax 877-787-7807 > cell 503-421-0029 > www.timetraveltours.com > MEMBERS OF : ASTA, ICTA & CLIA

Today, I added the following civil parishes to the County Tipperary section of my website: Graystown, Moycrky, Rochestown, Roscrea, Tubbrid, Redcity, Kilconnell, Kilcooly, Clonoulty, Clonpet, Relickmurry & Athassel and Ballintemple This is the end of this group. I now have all the civil parishes for both the Clanwilliam Barony and the Kilnamanagh Lower Barony, so tomorrow I will work on indexing them for easier lookups. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

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Hi Folks: This is my first time sending a request to the list I hope I am doing it right. I am researching the McKelvey and Slevin names. Our history is that they emigrated to Canada from someplace in Donegal around 1835. I can not find ship lists or much else in this time period. Hoping someone who has solved this dead end can give me a new path to search. Thanks Bernie McKelvey

WORKING FOR PEACE: In the July-Aug 2001 issue of Dublin's "Ireland of the Welcomes" magazine is an article and photos of Presbyterian Roy ARBUCKLE, actor, director and founder of the unique Irish music group "Different Drums," with its added cultural dimension of having a Lambeg drum (see below) and a bodhran (potent symbols of the Protestant and Catholic Communities in Northern Ireland)being played side by side in perfect harmony. The band has experienced a meteoric rise since its establishment in 1992, firming believing that it is a necessity for humanity to march to the same beat. Roy says, "Sometimes our concept has been rejected even before we start to perform. In the early days we had skin-head thugs who created trouble for us in Belfast, and later in Waterford there were Republicans who were not too happy that we were using the Lambeg drum. To them it was a symbol of British Imperialism." These kind of objectors are a minority, and when most people start to listen to what we are doing, all that kind of prejudice evaporates. The Lambeg has a certain edge for Catholic people because of its association with the Orange tradition ... To an extent we are dispelling the territorial dimension of the Lambeg, and presenting it in its own right as a musical instrument." Arbuckle recently remarked, "If we do not learn to create an authentic sense of community at local level, how are we going to stop wars between nations? This philosophy underlines everything we do as a musical group. We are not trying to change people, but we are attempting to help them to express themselves a individuals within a larger community, and how to develop their own culture without harming others." Roy was speaking at a one-day workshop for 345 children at the Academy Primary School in Saintfield, Co. Down - a small picturesque village SE of Belfast. Roy and his colleagues introduced some of the children to the practice of rhythm and taught them part of a piece of music which they played to the entire school later on. To reinforce the point, the group played three versions of one tune - first as an Irish "slow air" titled "Young Boy," then as a variation which became an Orange "marching tune," and finally as a hauntingly beautiful Irish reel, called "Swallow's Tail." Roy summed it up, "This is basically the same music, but it shows how in the end we all march to the same tune." The children, and their teachers, loved it. The principal, Stephen MOORE commented, "This is very much a cross-community school, and it is good for our pupils to hear the different forms of music expressed in this way." Roy ARBUCKLE's early musical experience was with local showbands. He developed an interest in traditional Irish music, and played with such well-known groups as "Chaff" and "Fiddler's Elbow." After spending eight years in Canada, Roy returned to his native city, and since then has been involved in cross-community projects. They participated in an Irish Festival in New Brunswick, which had the theme "Come Celebrate Orange and Green." A breakthrough came in 1998 when they were invited to take part in the St. Patrick's Day Parade in Dublin. They have participated in musical festivals in the USA, Europe and Japan, as well as keynote events including special performances for successive Irish Presidents Mary ROBINSON and Mary McALEESE. More recently they played at the new Odyssey Centre in Belfast, in the presence of President Bill CLINTON, British Premier Tony BLAIR, local Unionist and Nationalist political leads and several thousand cross-community reps. Arbuckle has also spent two weeks with the Kodo Drummers of Japan. Other highlights include a visits in 1999 to the USA as part of a "Both Sides Now" tour that included noted Irish musicians James GALWAY and Phil COULTER. They made a historic appearance at St. Patrick's Cathedral, NY, and on St. Pat's Day performed for President CLINTON at the White House. They have also performed at the Kennedy Center in WA DC. A close-up of a beautiful and colorful Lambeg drum reveals a portrait of King William on horseback; the drum as made by W & J HAMILTON of Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim. It is apparently one of a matched pair which had been used by an Orange Lodge at Finnis, near Dromara, and were around 100 years old. This "great purchase" came from a shop in Belfast's Sandy Row, a well-known Protestant area. Around the same time Roy commissioned a new set of bodhrans from Eamonn MAGUIRE, a craftsman based in Ardoyne, a Catholic part of Belfast. The symbolism is inescapable of the symmetry of instruments acquired from both parts of that troubled city. Talented and enthusiastic members of the band include Stephen MATIER, Belfast, Brendon MONAGHAN, Banbridge, Kevin SHARKEY, Derry and Rory McCARRON, Derry. The group's engagement book is well-filled and their latest CD is called "New Day Dawning." Their music has produced a fascinating blend of sounds and rhythms - Irish reels, jigs and marches, an element of reggae, and traditional Lambeg chants played with a variety of instruments and drums.

ORANGE DRUMS, TYRONE, 1966 The lambeg balloons at his belly, weighs Him back on his haunches, lodging thunder Grossly there between his chin and his knees. He is raised up by what he buckles under. Each arm extended by a seasoned rod, He parades behind it. And though the drummers Are granted passage through the nodding crowd, It is the drums preside, like giant tumours. To every cocked ear, expert in its greed, His battered signature subscribes 'No Pope.' The goatskin's sometimes plastered with his blood. The air is pounding like a stethoscope. -- Seamus HEANEY

COUNTY ARMAGH: Armagh city sits on two hills, with the Catholic and Protestant cathedrals (both called St. Patrick's) facing each other across a valley. Armagh architect Francis JOHNSTON gave the city at the end of the 18th century, (and so much of Dublin), its Georgian charms with the help of his sponsor Archbishop ROBINSON -- harking back to a time when clerics were rich and sure patrons of the arts. At the south end of the wonderful, tree-lined Georgian Mall stands the old gaol, now minus gallows, and at the north end JOHNSTON"s 1809 Court House. On the east stands the one-time school house, which is now the delightful Armagh County Museum. How improving it must have been for the school's pupils to be pulled by the ears and lined up in ranks to watch malfeasants, hobbling in irons from north to south to be held for deportation or worse. How reassuring for townhouse residents looking down from their elegant balconies. Jonathan SWIFT, know for his satirical writings, seems to have enjoyed escaping his duties as a Dublin dean, as he often came north, staying on occasion to play cards late into the night with the his friends, old Sir Archibald ACHESON, the county sheriff, and his lovely young wife, at their manor house in south Armagh. County Armagh was the birthplace of the Protestant Orange Order which was founded in 1795. Today, members of the Order, wearing their distinctive orange sashes, march across Northern Ireland on 12th July each year, and often, in contentious rehearsal, several weekends before. While many republican Catholics see such marches as provocatively supremacist, others would prefer that these parades be regarded simply as colourful celebrations of folk history, as unthreatening as New Orleans' "Mardi Gras," and surely to be welcomed in a province not given much to dancing in the streets. In mid-August, in rituals, not dissimilar, banners billowing in the Armagh breezes, the members of the Catholic Nationalist Ancient Order of Hibernians also march to the accordion, fife and drum. In truth, only the slogans and narrative paintings on the huge banners and the icons on the green, rather than orange, sashes distinguish matters for a stranger. Away from politics, Armagh is best savoured listening to the music in its uillean pipers' clubs; following its road-bowls champions along high-hedged lanes; walking through its Bramley apple orchards in May; or by just sitting on a wall in Armagh's Mall, gentle evening breeze tugging at the chestnut blossom, while white flannelled sportsmen, out there between the ranks of historic cannon, play leisurely cricket on its green, green grass. Once a racecourse, Armagh city's Georgian Mall is shaped like a cricket bat, a fitting design for a place where the thunder of horses hooves has long since been replaced by the echo of leather on willow. -- Excerpts, "Irish Counties," J.J. Lee (Salamander Books 1997)

REVIEWS/BOOKS 2003: Perhaps you can still find copies if the subjects interest you: 1. Donall MacAMHLAIGH, Galwayman and ex-soldier, left Ireland in 1951 for work as a labourer in England. His account of his first six years there was written in Irish and was widely admired. This English translation appeared in 1964 (the work of an Irish diplomat and author, then stationed in Stockholm). A second edition was long overdue. It is a marvelous evocation of a life of hard work for small pay, lonesome partings after longed for trips home, periods of intense isolation and bouts of bitter reflection on the lack of opportunity in mid-20th century Ireland. This was, mercifully, soon to change and Donall MacAMHLAIGH living until 1989, saw that change. But it was too late for him - he had settled down using his pick by day and his pen by night - in Northampton, the English town where he got his "start" as an emigrant from Ireland in the fifties. (The Collins Press) P/b. 2. "A Short History of Orangeism " by Kevin HADDICK-FLYNN (Mercier Press) P/b). Jan Wyck's colorful painting of William III Landing at Torbay decorates the cover of this book. Despite the fact that the organisation which so closely associates itself with King William III was not founded for 105 year after he landed in Ireland to fight and win the battle of the Boyne - no study of the Orange Order would be complete without an account of the politically astute and personally extremely courageous Dutchman who attained a place in Irish history by marrying a Stuart princess and exerting his considerable talents to make her throne secure. Per review, this is a coherent account of an organisation of great importance. In order to maintain continuity certain subjects such as degree structures in the order, banners, wall murals are concisely dealt within boxes in the text. 3. "BELFAST - Irish Historic Towns Atlas No. 12 (Pt. 1, to 1840)" by Raymond GILLESPIE and Stephen A. ROYLE (Royal Irish Academy/Belfast City Council) Very large format. This very important atlas series is part of an European venture inspired by the International Commission for the History of Towns and financed by various member states of the European Union. The 12 Irish towns covered to date include Kildare, Carrickfergus, Bandon, Mullingar, and Dublin. The topographical development of each town is described, followed by tabulated information covering subjects such as transport, health, education, religion, defence, etc. The publication is completed by the inclusion of high quality reproductions of a number of illustrative plates, some in colour. A most striking element in this study of Belfast is the way in which the splendid Linen Hall Library features in so many of the maps and plates. 4. "For The Safety Of All, Images and Inspections of Irish Lighthouses," (National Library of Ireland), P/b. When the Commissioners of Irish Lights, responsible for the chain of lights and navigational buoys, around the coast, engaged the astronomer and mathematician Dr. Robert Stawell BALL as their technical adviser to assist them in development of lighthouse technology in 1883 they also obtained the services of one of the most talented and discerning amateur photographers of the late 19th century. BALL served the Commission until his retirement in his 71st year in 1911. A dozen large albums of his photographs, together with assorted prints, glass negatives and lantern slides have been gathered together, restored and lodged in the National Photographic Archive. Here, we have a widely varied selection, all illustrative of coastal inspections showing life on deck, ashore, the commission personnel and their families - and of course, lighthouses, some - the Fastnet, for example - in the course of construction. Per review -- a remarkable record of a remarkable era, now receding quickly into the past.

THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway, Thursday, February 3, 1825 MURDER On Tuesday, the 11th instant, J. M'Cormick, of Monycannon, parish of Donagheady, and county Tryrone, was barbarously murdered by two of his neighbours, Patt and James Lynch, in the face of day, and in the presence of his son, Thos. M'Cormick; who, in making an unavailing effort to save his aged parent, was near sharing the same fate; indeed, he would have been their victim, had he not sought safety in flight, from the consequences of an unequal and desperate contest, he being unarmed. The Lynches, who are brothers, and both young men, were found by deceased trespassing upon his ground; as we have been given to understand, digging earth for the purpose of removing it to enrich their own. Old M'Cormick very naturally forbid them or proceed at their peril, as, if they did, he would appeal to the law for the protection of his property; when, without any provocation, they fell upon him with their spades, and beat him so unmercifully that they broke his skull. After glutting their rage upon him, and as we have observed, severely beating his son, they left him, and he was soon after borne to his own house, a sad spectacle indeed for his afflicted family, covered with blood and his brains protruding. He survived till the Saturday morning following at five o'clock, when he expired. - The Rev. Francis Gouldsbury attended him on the evening he received the beating and took his examinations, when he swore positively against the Lynches; and on Saturday the same Gentleman and another Magistrate, Hugh Lyle, Esq., held an inquest on the body, when Thos. M'Cormick having fully corroborated his father's dying testimony, the Jury returned an unanimous verdict of a "Wilful Murder," against Patrick and James Lynch. They absconded, but their apprehension is certain, from the strict pursuit which has been instituted. They are from 23 tp 25 years of age, about five feet eight inches high; rather slender, but well made. One of them dark complexioned with black hair and whiskers; the other, rather fair, with brown hair. The deceased was 75 years of age; was a member of the Presbyterian connexion, and had ever borne a respectable character; the Lynches are Roman Catholics and, as we have heard, violent party men. -- Derry Paper. MARRIED By special license, in the Parish Church of Athenry, on the 27th instant, by the Rev. Mr. Irwin, John Flemming, Esq., Lieutenant 1st Royal Veteran Battalion, to Margaret Maria, eldest daughter of Dominick Burke, Esq., of said place. DIED On Saturday last, at the very advanced age of 91, at Derrinane, Maurice O'Connell, Esq. His landed property, consisting of £4,000 a year, he has bequeathed to his nephew, Counsellor O'Connell, and has divided equally between him and his brothers, John and James O'Connell, Esqrs., £40,000 in cash. With feelings of sincere regret, we announce the decease of the Hon. Valentine Lawless, eldest son of Lord Cloncurry, which took place early on Monday morning at the house of Baron Hoelieck [or Hoebeck]. Mr. Lawless was only in his 20th year, and he had distinguished himself by his extensive and various acquirements in literature. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

BALLINA CHRONICLE Ballina, Co. Mayo Wednesday, October 9, 1850 MISCELLANEOUS - The Leicester Journal says that in some parts of that town soft water is selling at threepence a bucket. - On Sunday, 22nd inst., during divine service at Templenoe church, within five miles of Kenmare, and shortly after Rev. Mr. Rogers has ascended the pulpit, a most furious and unprovoked attack was made on the church, the rattling of stones being heard on the roof, and the most savage yells rendering the air without. - Andrew Murphy, a pauper, was killed at Manchester this week, by a blow on the head from Edward Moran, Relieving officer, who is committed for manslaughter. - Dr. John Gray, of the Freeman Journal and his brother, Mr. W. Wilson Gray, of the Middle Temple, have withdrawn their names from the Tenant League for reasons which show their sense. Mr. Wilson Gray objects to a new organization adopted on the 18th of September, by which the Council institutes, or recommends and indefinite number of social societies, which, being advised by counsel learned in the law, he, Mr. Gray, considers to contain the germs of "possible danger." - No family in the county of Down has been enobled in the last 60 years, except one, in 1800, namely Lord Dufferin and Claneboy. - A new great seal for Ireland of gutta percha has just been constructed. - Major Blackall, M.P. for Longford, is reported as the Colonial Secretary at Ceylon, in place of Sir W. Emerson Tennent. - The following judicial officers in Ireland are Roman Catholics:- Chief Baron Pigot, Chief Justice Monahan, Judge Ball, Insolvent Commissioner Baldwin, Sergeants Howley and O'Brien, and Solicitor General Hughes. Attorney General Hatchell is not a Roman Catholic, as erroneously supposed by the English press. - Miss Hayes is to give a charity concert on her arrival in Dublin this month, and another in Limerick for the poor of her native city. - Thursday night a fellow broke the shop window of Mr. John Dwyer, Castle street, Nenagh, and pulled out two pistols with which he made off. - Pablo Fanque's troop has moved from Galway to Ballinasloe for the fair. His receipts in Galway exceeded 100l. every night for a fortnight. - A portion of the dress of Miss Evans, only daughter of Mrs. Evans, Henry-street, the young lady who had been missing from Kilkee the last fortnight, was washed in by the sea on Sunday evening and picked up by a fisherman. The corset and visite bore the name of the unfortunate lady. Her body has not yet been found. - At an adjourned meeting of the Faculty of the county Clare, at Ennis, on Monday, Dr. George O'Brien in the chair, votes of censure were moved on Drs. Healy, Cullinan and Heir. - Henry Blacquire Lahiff, Esq., eldest son of Thomas Lahiff, Esq., of Cloone, perished on Thursday last, at Spiddal, Galway, while bathing with the Rev. James M'Cready and his brothers. Mr. Lahiff, a most adventurous and expert swimmer, was struck by a heavy sea, which carried him a considerable distance from the shore, but assistance was out of the question. After some hours the body was found. MARRIED On Thursday, October 2, at Gravsden, by the Rev. William Briscoe, A.M. Vicar of Coombe Bisset, Wilta, George Spence Fenton, Esq. of Killanduff, County of Sligo, to Harriette Frederica, only daughter of the Rev. Frederic Morris, A.M., Rector of Gravsden, Cambridgeshire. DIED At New York on the 5th ultimo, of typhus fever, aged 20 years, Charles, youngest son of Captain John Atkinson, of this town. The deceased was a young gentleman of much promise, and his early death is deeply lamented not only by his family and friends, but by all who had the privilege of his acquaintance. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

Hello Cathy, I am not researching Slevin, but I thought you might like to know for your friend, that I had a teacher in the 1940s and he was Patrick Slevin. I don't know where he came from, being just a child at the time, would not have asked. He married an Annie Maud Davies from Tylorstown. She was a teacher in my secondary school. Unfortunately though, I do know there were no children. Not to my knowledge anyway. There is a book in Treorchy library that gives the names of teachers and where they taught in the Rhondda, so it might be worth contacting them for pehaps further information that might lay in that book. I hope I am not sending you on a wild goose chase that is all. Best wishes, Maureen Rhondda

I have added the following civil parish Tithe Applotment transcriptions to the County Tipperary section of my website: Mowney, Clogher, Grangemockler, Ballymurreen, Cloughprior, and Fertiana, plus Fethard Town. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

SNIPPET: Elizabeth BOWEN (1899-1973), celebrated writer, was born in Dublin, but spent most of her life in England. After inheriting the family home, Bowen's Court, in Co. Cork, she lived there part of each year. This memoir of her comfortable childhood winters in Dublin presents a matter-of-fact picture of the Protestant Anglo-Irish daily life. "On Sundays we went to St. Stephen's, our parish church, a few minutes' walk along the canal. St. Stephen's Georgian facade, with its pillars and steps, crowns the Upper Mount Street perspective, and looks down it into the airy distance of Merrion Square. To the ascending sound of bells we went up the steps -- my mother with a fine-meshed veil drawn over her features, my father already removing his top-hat, I in my white coat. The Sunday had opened with mysterious movements about the staircase at Herbert Place -- my mother's and father's departure to 'early church.' About this Matins I went to there was no mystery. I could be aware that this was only an outer court. None the less, I must not talk or look behind me or fidget, and I must attempt to think about God. The church, heart of and key to this Protestant quarter, was now, at midmorning, packed: crosswise above the pews allotted to each worshipping family ran galleries, but always unmistakably Sunday light, and gas burned where day did not penetrate far enough. The interior, with its clear sombreness, sane proportions, polished woodwork and brasswork and aisles upon which confident feet rang, had authority -- here one could feel a Presence, were it only the presence of an idea. It emphasized what was at once august and rational in man's relations with God. Nowhere was there any intensity of darkness, nowhere the point of a small flame. There was an honourable frankness in the tone in which we rolled out the General Confession -- indeed, sin was most felt by me, in St. Stephen's, as any divagation from the social idea. There was an ample confidence in the singing, borne up by the organ's controlled swell. Bookless, (because I could not read) I mouthed my way through the verses of hymns I knew. Standing packed among the towering bodies, I enjoyed the feeling that something was going on. During prayers I kneeled balanced on two hassocks, and secretly bit, like a puppy, sharpening its teeth, into the waxed prayer-book ledge of our pew. Though my inner ear was already quick and suspicious, I detected, in the course of that morning service, no hypocritical or untrue note. If I did nothing more I conformed. I only did not care for the Psalms, which struck me as savage, discordant, complaining -- or sometimes, boastful. They outraged all the manners I had been taught, and I did not care for this chanted airing of troubles. My mother attended St. Stephen's out of respect for my father's feeling that one should not depart from one's parish church. He mistrusted, in religion as in other matters, behavior that was at all erratic or moody; he had a philosophic feeling for observance and form. But she liked St. Bartholomew's better because it was 'higher,' and once or twice in the course of every winter she would escape and take me there. Archbishop TRENCH and his daughters were her cousins; the happiest days of her girlhood had been spent at the Palace, and for the rest of her days she remained High Church. She spoke of 'Prods' (or, extreme, unctuous Protestants) with a flighty detachment that might have offended many. I was taught to say 'Church of Ireland,' not 'Protestant,' and 'Roman Catholic,' not simply 'Catholic.' It was not until after the end of those seven winters that I understood that we Protestants were a minority, and that the unquestioned rules of our being came, in fact, from the closeness of a minority world. Roman Catholics were spoken of by my father and mother with courteous detachment that gave them, even, no myth. I took the existence of Roman Catholics for granted but met few and was not interested in them. They were, simply 'the others,' whose world lay alongside ours but we never touched. As to the difference between the two religions, I was too discreet to ask questions -- if I wanted to know. This appeared to share a delicate awkward aura with those two other differences -- of sex, of class. So quickly, in a child's mind does prudery seed itself and make growth that I remember, even, an almost sexual shyness on the subject of Roman Catholics. I walked with hurried step and averted cheek past porticos of churches that were 'not ours,' uncomfortably registering in my nostrils the pungent, unlikely smell that came round curtains, through swinging doors. On Sundays, the sounds of the bells of all kinds of churches rolled in a sort of unison round the Dublin sky, and the currents of people quitting their homes to worship seemed to be made alike by one human habit, such as of going to dinner. But on weekdays the 'other' bells, with their (to my ear) alien, searching insistence had the sky and the Dublin echoes all to themselves. This predisposition to frequent prayer bespoke, to me some incontinence of the soul..." -- Excerpts, Elizabeth Bowen, 'Sundays,' from "Seven Winters: Memories Of A Dublin Childhood." Of note, a fine 20th-century oil on canvas portrait of Elizabeth BOWEN at Bowenscourt by Patrick HENNESSY can be seen at CRAWFORD Municipal Art Gallery, Cork, Ireland.

That was an amazing read! Thanks Jean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jean R. Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:38 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRELAND] Impressions - Emigrants & Travellers EMIGRATION: "I was called on deck to smell the land -- and truly the change was very sensible ... It was the breath of youth and hope and love." -- Diary of Mary GAPPER. Regarding immigration to Quebec in 1847: "I spent a considerable part of the day watching a shark that followed in our wake with great constancy .. the mate said it was a certain forerunner of death." -- Robert WHYTE, "The Ocean Plague, or A Voyage to Quebec in an Irish Emigrant Vessel, Embracing a Quarantine at Grosse Isle in 1847, with notes Illustrative of the Ship Pestilence of that Fatal Year," pub. Boston 1848, copy in Library of Congress. "... If any class deserves to be protected and assisted by the government, it is that class who are banished from their native land in search of the bare means of subsistence ... The law is bound, at least on the English side ... to put an end to that system by which a firm of traders in emigrants purchase of the owners the whole 'tween decks of a ship, and send on board as many wretched people as they can get hold of on any terms they can get, without the smallest reference to the convenience of the steerage..or anything but their own immediate profit -- Author Charles DICKENS, "American Notes." "You have stated that, after getting to sea, the two privies on deck were destroyed?" "Yes ... they were only put up temporarily ... the day before she sailed ..." "And that there were none below?" "Yes. None below." "What was the remedy?" "There was no remedy ...." "In consequence of that there was a very bad smell below?" "You could not stand below." -- Testimony of Mr. Delany FINCH, Minutes of Evidence Taken Before the Select Committee on Emigrant Ships," 1854. "New York is a very brilliant city. To give the best idea of it I should describe it as something of a fusion between Liverpool and Paris -- crowded quays, long perspectives of vessels and masts, bustling streets, gay shops, tall white houses, and a clear brilliant sky overhead." -- Earl of Carlisle, "Travels in America." If a family could raise only enough money for one passage, the ticket would be bought in the name of the eldest son or daughter. When that son or daughter arrived in America and got a job, money would be sent back to Ireland to help the family pay the rent and eventually to buy another passage ticket for a younger brother or sister. This remittance system of "one bringing another" was to become so firmly rooted on both sides of the Atlantic that sister would follow brother, and brother sister, until the children of an entire family were reunited in America. As the "Cork Examiner," 22 June 1871 revealed, the emigrant's "chain" or link to Ireland does not draw him back despite the peculiar strength of Irish relationships, "but pulls forward those he has left behind." -- Excerpt, "Paddy's Lament, Ireland 1846-47," Thomas & Michael GALLAGHER (1982) "All during my life people kept going to America and there's not a family in this parish but has somebody living in the States. There was always a big night for anybody going away. Neily McCOLGAN, the blind fiddler, would be sent for, and they would dance till day-clearing. Then, too, for anybody coming home there was always a bottle-drink; but these led to so much drinking that Fr. FOX put down the bottle drinks entirely ... Times at home were bad, and they all left home with nothing but the clothes on their backs. The old people said that good health and the grace of God were fortunes enough for any young man or woman." -- Charles McGLINCHY, "The Last of the Name." ".... It was just like a big funeral ... and the last parting ... was indeed sad to see ... The parents especially were so sad, as if the person leaving were really dead ... You would rather not be there at all if you would be any way soft yourself." Manuscript 1411, Irish Folklore Department, University College, Dublin. The Irishman's love of his homeland and of the Irish way of life, despite the hardships imposed by the misbegotten union with Britain in 1800, had always, until the famine, limited emigration. The peasant's desperate hold upon his land, his passion for survival at home, his love of the Gaelic language, and his fear of puritan America's hostility to Catholicism had created a kind of psychological moat confining him to Ireland. But emigration had been used in the past as a remedy for hard times by adventurous Irishmen whose imagination had been fired by stories of America, by letters from emigrants who rode their own horses and spoke of being so far west in America that they had to crouch to let the sun go down. Per letter that appeared in the "Tipperary Vindicator" 5 Jan 1848 -- "I wish to heaven all our countrymen were here," wrote one such emigrant from the Chicago area. "... The labourer can earn as much in one day as will support him for a week. The richest land in the world may be purchased here or in Wisconsin for $1.25 an acre - equal to 5s 3d sterling - pure alluvial soil, for 30 feet of surface ... If I could show them the splendid prairie I am looking on, extending in wild luxuriant verdure far as the eye can reach -- virgin soil that will stand the wear and tear of ages without requiring a shovel full of manure -- how different would their situation be from what it is! How gladly they would fly with their families." -- Excerpt, "Through Irish Eyes," Smithmark Publishers (1998). ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'd like to hear from anyone who has CALLAGHAN ancesters who moved from Ireland to St Helens, England around 1850, particularly a Michael & Ellen Callaghan and son Thomas. Tim