Hi Mike, I'm sorry that I don't know Caroline's maiden name, but it sounds like that is the same David because he was killed in WWII. Loretta -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Mike Saunders" <[email protected]> > Loretta, > > Can you please tell me if Caroline's maiden name was Keifer? Also, I have > found some information that a David P. McManus b. 17 Apr 1918 d. 16 Jun 1944 > in WWII. Is this the same David P. McManus? > > Mike > > On Nov 17, 2007 10:03 AM, wrote: > > > I am searching for the possibility that CHARLES McMANUS, the husband of > > CAROLINE McMANUS, later CAROLINE KING from her second marriage, may have > > emigrated from Ireland. > > They were the parents of DAVID PATRICK McMANUS, born 4-17-1919. The family > > settled in Baltimore, Md. > > > > Sorry for so little data and thanks very much for any help. > > > > Loretta Myrter > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi! I (having an Irish sense of humor that could probably spark a fight in any pub) wanted to make a (good natured) quip about 'protestant householders,' but I am so glad that it seems like we are, more or less, at peace now...In my youth, it didn't seem possible. Back to 1789 (I think) and still checking on my Catholic Irish roots (and enjoying the search). God Bless ALL the Irish from a Green Irish-American, and Happy Thanksgiving to ALL the Irish in America! Jim Riley www.lulu.com/content/210331 --- "Jean R." <[email protected]> wrote: > Hmm - In "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors" by John Grenham (1992), on > the page > of census returns and substitutes in the chapter on Co. Antrim: > > 1740: Protestant Householders in the parishes of: Aghoghill, > Armoy, > Ballintoy, Ballymena, Ballymoney, Bellewillen, Billy, Clogh, > Drumaul, > Dunkegan, Dunluce, Finvoy, Kilraghtis, Loghall, Manybrooks, > Rasharkin, > Rathlin, Ramoan - GO 559 and PRONI T.808/15258. > > The references he gives for many 1740 Protestant Householders for > Co. Derry > (Londonderry) are GO 539 and PRONI T.808/15258. > > Also, since many Irish records also appear on LDS FHC records, I > was just > giving a "heads up" to check there as well. > > Jean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:44 PM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BRYSON - Ballymena,Antrim - Resources: > Ballymena > Library - FamilySearch - Cyndi's List > > > > > > In a message dated 11/16/07 2:31:25 PM, [email protected] writes: > > > > > >> One could check the LDS (Mormon) FHC records at > >> www.familysearch.org, as well as those at the Genealogical > Office in > >> Dublin, > >> reference number 559. > >> > > > > I'm not sure if this will clear up the situation or confuse it > further. > > Mss #559 is as follows > > Mss. 559 (at the Genealogical Office) on LDS film # 0100249 is > identified > > as: > > Lane Pook (Co. Wicklow) > > but > > Muster rolls, 1805-1825; Protestant householders, Londonderry > survey, 1740 > > FHL BRITISH > Film 258516 > > Might want to check both of them. > > Linda > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > James E. F. Riley, Sr. Author, 'Daydreams & Nightmares' Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Still looking for the baptism or any information on WILLIAM WALSH born Carlow around 1838. His father was JAMES WALSH, farmer. Many thanks, Jackie --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

I am searching for the possibility that CHARLES McMANUS, the husband of CAROLINE McMANUS, later CAROLINE KING from her second marriage, may have emigrated from Ireland. They were the parents of DAVID PATRICK McMANUS, born 4-17-1919. The family settled in Baltimore, Md. Sorry for so little data and thanks very much for any help. Loretta Myrter

http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=title&key=Irela nd Put you cursor on word books/browse - Hit enter and it will open Have a great Holiday all M. Taylor

A fantastic site, Mimi. Look, e.g., at Irish Pictures Drawn With Pen and Pencil, by Richard Lovett (illustrated HTML at libraryireland.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "geniebugged" <[email protected]> To: "[email protected] com" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: [IRELAND] All things Ireland - fascinating site - online books - great drawings etc > http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=title&key=Irela > nd > > > Put you cursor on word books/browse - Hit enter and it will open > > Have a great Holiday all > > M. Taylor > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi from summer in New Zealand Just a very long shot here. My George Dineen son of Michael Dineen a butcher, was born at Ballymodan, Cork, c 1796. He married Elizabeth Bickford who was from Cornwall. George was in the 11th Foot Regiment and the 95th Foot Regiment. He was a Chelsea Pensioner and was discharged aged 46 and escorted prisoners out to Tasmania, Australia where he eventually settled. The story goes he had a brother who also went into the Military and ended up going to Canada, but as yet this is unsubstantiated. If any of these names are known to you or connect to your line I would love to hear from you. Cheers Janet

Loretta, Can I contact you off list at your email address? I have some census information which may help you. But the fathers name is David not Charles. Also, I can provide you the information I found on the WWII death. If this is agreeable, contact me at [email protected] Mike On Nov 17, 2007 1:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I'm sorry that I don't know Caroline's maiden name, but it sounds like > that is the same David because he was killed in WWII. > > Loretta > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Mike Saunders" <[email protected]> > > > Loretta, > > > > Can you please tell me if Caroline's maiden name was Keifer? Also, I > have > > found some information that a David P. McManus b. 17 Apr 1918 d. 16 Jun > 1944 > > in WWII. Is this the same David P. McManus? > > > > Mike > > > > On Nov 17, 2007 10:03 AM, wrote: > > > > > I am searching for the possibility that CHARLES McMANUS, the husband > of > > > CAROLINE McMANUS, later CAROLINE KING from her second marriage, may > have > > > emigrated from Ireland. > > > They were the parents of DAVID PATRICK McMANUS, born 4-17-1919. The > family > > > settled in Baltimore, Md. > > > > > > Sorry for so little data and thanks very much for any help. > > > > > > Loretta Myrter > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Loretta, Can you please tell me if Caroline's maiden name was Keifer? Also, I have found some information that a David P. McManus b. 17 Apr 1918 d. 16 Jun 1944 in WWII. Is this the same David P. McManus? Mike On Nov 17, 2007 10:03 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > I am searching for the possibility that CHARLES McMANUS, the husband of > CAROLINE McMANUS, later CAROLINE KING from her second marriage, may have > emigrated from Ireland. > They were the parents of DAVID PATRICK McMANUS, born 4-17-1919. The family > settled in Baltimore, Md. > > Sorry for so little data and thanks very much for any help. > > Loretta Myrter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 11/16/07 2:31:25 PM, [email protected] writes: > One could check the LDS (Mormon) FHC records at > www.familysearch.org, as well as those at the Genealogical Office in Dublin, > reference number 559. > I'm not sure if this will clear up the situation or confuse it further. Mss #559 is as follows Mss. 559 (at the Genealogical Office) on LDS film # 0100249 is identified as: Lane Pook (Co. Wicklow) but Muster rolls, 1805-1825; Protestant householders, Londonderry survey, 1740 FHL BRITISH Film 258516 Might want to check both of them. Linda ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hmm - In "Tracing Your Irish Ancestors" by John Grenham (1992), on the page of census returns and substitutes in the chapter on Co. Antrim: 1740: Protestant Householders in the parishes of: Aghoghill, Armoy, Ballintoy, Ballymena, Ballymoney, Bellewillen, Billy, Clogh, Drumaul, Dunkegan, Dunluce, Finvoy, Kilraghtis, Loghall, Manybrooks, Rasharkin, Rathlin, Ramoan - GO 559 and PRONI T.808/15258. The references he gives for many 1740 Protestant Householders for Co. Derry (Londonderry) are GO 539 and PRONI T.808/15258. Also, since many Irish records also appear on LDS FHC records, I was just giving a "heads up" to check there as well. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] BRYSON - Ballymena,Antrim - Resources: Ballymena Library - FamilySearch - Cyndi's List > > In a message dated 11/16/07 2:31:25 PM, [email protected] writes: > > >> One could check the LDS (Mormon) FHC records at >> www.familysearch.org, as well as those at the Genealogical Office in >> Dublin, >> reference number 559. >> > > I'm not sure if this will clear up the situation or confuse it further. > Mss #559 is as follows > Mss. 559 (at the Genealogical Office) on LDS film # 0100249 is identified > as: > Lane Pook (Co. Wicklow) > but > Muster rolls, 1805-1825; Protestant householders, Londonderry survey, 1740 > FHL BRITISH Film 258516 > Might want to check both of them. > Linda >

Hi Jean - Apparently there is an existing 1740 census of Protestant Householders in Co. Antrim that include Ballymena. You might find your BRYSON surname there. One could check the LDS (Mormon) FHC records at www.familysearch.org, as well as those at the Genealogical Office in Dublin, reference number 559. ****Another lister apparently had good results by contacting the gentleman below, Michael LYNN. Give him the PRONI reference T.808/15258. Hopefully, he will be familiar with your surname of interest and give you some additional direction on early b/m/d records. You or others might also be interested in some published material, i.e., "Old Ballymena: a history of Ballymena during the 1798 Rebellion," Ballymena Observer, 1857, repub. 1938. Perhaps this and other data has been transcribed to the Internet. There are also directories (trade?) with Co. Antrim material published as early as 1819. Other resources could include Cyndi's List of Genealogical Websites at http://www.cyndislist.com/ See what Michael Lynn at the Ballymena Library suggests: Area Local Studies Service Ballymena Central Library 5 Pat's Brae Ballymena County Antrim Northern Ireland BT43 5AX Tel: 028 2563 3950/2563 3960 Fax: 028 25 632038 Email: [email protected] Contact: Michael Lynn, Local Studies Development Officer Or Elizabeth Hoy, Enquiry/Research Assistant Or Sharon McQuillan, Project/Research Assistant 3. Research Service Service available? Yes Fee-based? No Provided by local Record Office? The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland will undertake a limited search if reference numbers of items are provided: they will not undertake a full family history search on an individual's behalf. A number of professional genealogists within Northern Ireland will conduct a search on your behalf for a fee. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Skinner" <[email protected]atico.ca> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:40 AM Subject: [IRELAND] Bryson > Could anyone tell me how to search for a birth in Balllymena, Antrim, > around the year 1798 > > Thank you > Jean

Limerick an Kerry Carroll Burns-Byrnes Quinn Dornine-Dornan Moylan Gearin-Geran Kane Barnett Donahoe searching- ALLEN-BARNETT-CARROLL-BURNS GEIGER-Veach -GEARIN-KANE-SMITH-MOYLAN DONAHUE

SNIPPET: In his Pulitzer prize-winning memoir, "Angela's Ashes" (1996), Frank McCOURT (who lived in both Limerick and NY) recalls some of his experiences in Leamy's School, Limerick, circa 1940: Per Frank -- " I'm taken out of the fifth class and put into Mr. O'Halloran's sixth class with all the boys I know, Paddy Clohessy, Fintan Slattery, "The Question" Quigley, and when school is over that day I have to go back down to the statue of St. Francis of Assisi to thank him even if my legs are still weak from the typhoid and I have to sit on steps and hold on to walls... Mr. Thomas O'Halloran teaches three classes in one room, sixth, seventh, eighth. He has a head like President Roosevelt and he wears gold glasses. He wears suits, navy blue or gray, and there's a gold watch chain that hangs across his belly from pocket to pocket in his waistcoat. We call him Hoppy because he has a short leg and hops when he walks. He knows what we call him and he says, "Yes, I'm Hoppy and I'll hop on you." He carries a long stick, a pointer, and if you don't pay attention or give a stupid answer he gives three slaps on each hand or whacks you across the backs of your legs. He makes you learn everything by heart, everything, and that makes him the hardest master in school... We have to know all the important dates in Irish history. He tells us what is important and why. No master ever told us why before. If you asked why you'd be hit on the head. Hoppy doesn't call us idiots and if you ask a question he doesn't go into a rage. He's the only master who stops and says, "Do ye understand what I'm talking about? Do you want to ask a question?" It's a shock to everyone when he says, the Battle of Kinsale in sixteen nought one was the saddest moment in Irish history, a close battle with cruelty and atrocities on both sides. Cruelty on both sides? The Irish side? How could that be? All the other masters told us the Irish always fought nobly, they always fought the fair fight. He recites and makes us remember: "They went forth to battle, but they always fell, Their eyes were fixed above the sullen shields, Nobly they fought and bravely, but not well, And sank heart-wounded by a subtle spell." If they lost it was because of traitors and informers. But I want to know about these Irish atrocities. "Sir, did the Irish commit atrocities at the Battle of Kinsale?" "They did, indeed. It is recorded that they killed prisoners but they were no better nor worse than the English." Mr. O'Halloran can't lie. He's the headmaster. All these year we were told the Irish were always noble and they made brave speeches before the English hanged them. Now Hoppy O'Halloran is saying the Irish did bad things. Next thing he'll be saying the English did good things! He says, "You have to study and learn so that you can make up your own mind about history and everything else but you can't make up an empty mind. Stock your mind, stock your mind. It is your house of treasure and no one in the world can interfere with it. If you won the Irish Sweepstakes and bought a house that needed furniture would you fill it with bits and pieces of rubbish? Your mind is your house and if you fill it with rubbish from the cinemas it will rot in your head. You might be poor, your shoes might be broken, but your mind is a palace." He calls us one by one to the front of the room and looks at our shoes. He wants to know why they're broken or why we have no shoes at all. He tells us this is a disgrace and he's going to have a raffle to raise money so that we can have strong warm boots for the winter. He gives us books of tickets and we swarm all over Limerick for Leamy's School boot fund, first prize five pounds, five prizes of a pound each. Eleven with no boots get new boots. Malachy (Frank's brother) and I don't get any because we have shoes on our feet even if the soles are worn away and we wonder why we ran all over Limerick selling tickets so that other boys could get boots." -- Excerpt, Frank McCourt, "Angela's Ashes," (1996). Note - Frank's father was a McCourt from Antrim and his mother a Sheehan from Limerick. There is a photo of the author with classmates at the school in his book.

Could anyone tell me how to search for a birth in Balllymena, Antrim, around the year 1798 Thank you Jean

Close Joe Jennings Awakened by the harsh sounding but soft breeze. Shingle and shells slip beneath my feet. Paths of seaweed note the waters reach. Debris of all shapes and sizes hide in the rocks. The sea plays its song for everyone to hear. The shoreline is dusted in brown, fades to grey, and climbs again to green. Boats, alone, bob and sway, as a group they are still, but singly they move. This bay has been deserted by bathers, in their eyes, it is not beautiful but in mine, it grows more beautiful by the day. This liquid blanket has many secrets, Underneath lies a mystery. Dark and dangerous, the sea chips away at rocks. Unusually, this bay devoid of birds and wildlife seems an eerie place. But I feel safe in the emptiness. The water doesn't judge me, just repeats its movements over and over again. Almost recalling its steps as if it forgot something. Grey turns to white as froth crashes into the coastline. The sea, now nearly mirrors the colour of the sky. A storm seems imminent. Sitting closer, my lungs fill with pure air, drops tickle my face, washing my sins away. Never before have I felt so close to something so real.

BIRDWOMAN Kieran Furey Way back in the fifties, it was said An old lady would come to the bird Market on Sunday mornings. Her head Bobbing on a stiff neck, pigeon-like On nifty feet she'd strut around, bid Beady-eyed for thrush, canary, shrike. Any bird left over at the end Would be bought by her. She pecked her purse Till it bled red ten-bob notes or worse. When the other customers had left She'd open all her cages and send Songsters skywards. Birdmen thought her daft But devil the damn she cared. Her aim Was liberation feathered freedom Made her big heart flutter. She gave wings To children's longings, weekly flew rings Round keys and locks and bars. All good things End. She died unringed and left no name.

SNIPPET: Per the Ulster American Society: "President Bush will welcome First Minister of Northern Ireland Dr. Ian Paisley and Deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland Martin McGuinness to the White House on December 7, 2007. Over the past several years, the United States has actively supported peace efforts in Northern Ireland, which culminated in the formation of a unified Northern Ireland government. This visit marks the first time that Dr. Paisley and Martin McGuinness will visit the United States together since taking office. The President looks forward to congratulating the two leaders on overcoming years of violent conflict, and for taking the historic path toward a peaceful and prosperous future for all the people of Northern Ireland." Amen & Amen! J.

Joan, No connections on my end, other than a client w/Wilson, but they are from Utah orginally. I think that my ex's family has Ayers, but they are from Eastern Washington and originally Colorado. Any connections there? Ginger Aarons, CTC, Director Time Travel P.O. Box 23908 Portland, OR 97281-3908 503-454-0897 tollfree and fax 877-787-7807 cell 503-421-0029 www.timetraveltours.com MEMBERS OF : ASTA, ICTA & CLIA ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Hi Joan - Thanks for asking. Some of my Portland, Eugene, Milwaukie, Oak Grove, Newberg, OR-area families were FORD (dad's) from Ireland/Liverpool; GEORGE from Liverpool; JONES from England; SWEANY (mom's) from IN; ROBBINS (WI/ND/SD; LINDEMAN; KLEINSCHMIDT; VAUGHAN from TN & WA; ; KELLY; ADAMS; PRICE: HOPLAND from Norway; TINKER; SIMMONS from KS; LEWIS; CALIFF; GILMORE from MO. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Whitney" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] General Question to the Group - Ephemera > Jean and Ginger- my family has been in the Portland Ore area for 4 > generations. Some family names: Henry, Delury, Jenkins, Carter, > Mendenhall, Ayers, Bechtol, Thomas, (Gearhart- Tygh Vally) Bradetich, > Bozich, Wilson, (columbia co and Portland area). Any connections? My > early > family was active in the Portland Farmers market down town. Have > pictures. > Blanch Delury Hannah was one of the first female school principals in the > Portland school district. Her father, Jeremiah Delury was on the school > board early 1900s. Early Oregon pioneer family "Perry" are her > ancestors. > Let me know. Thanks. Joan Whitney [email protected] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:43 AM > Subject: Re: [IRELAND] General Question to the Group - Ephemera >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Cc: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:18 AM >> Subject: [IRELAND] General Question to the Group >> >> >>> Hi everyone... ! >>> >>> I was at Portland's Antique fare this weekend and stopped by a booth >>> that >>> was >>> chock full of old pictures (instant family) and actual binders full of >>> family letters (some archived from 1905-present) for a senator from >>> California ( >>> for example) and inquired to them about presenting it to >>> Rootsweb/Ancestry to >>> whomever families might be interested. I often wonder when I see family >>> bibles >>> up for sale at auction or at a fare that the families don't want them, >>> but >>> bet that somewhere some family historian that might be a distant cousin >>> would >>> give their eye teeth for it if only someone had asked! Theses of course >>> are now >>> for sale... instead of being handed down to the appropriate person (s). >>> >>> My question is that if they were offered, would anyone be interested in >>> buying them? I was trying to encourage this gal, but she said that >>> after >>> contacting some of the family members, no one wanted them. She had given >>> up on the idea >>> of someone wanting to pay for the information. I feel she is wrong. Not >>> all >>> of her info was expensive, but some of the archived ones were going in >>> the >>> $100's. But, for that it was a binder at least 4 inches thick of >>> correspondence >>> between certain family members. >>> >>> Anyone wanting to comment can post off list.. or if we would like to >>> have >>> the >>> bigger discussion on proper preservation of family documents, even our >>> responsibility to leave these things, in our wills if need be, to the >>> family >>> historian, no matter how distant a cousin.... might be beneficial to >>> all. >>> But, then >>> again, I'm probably preaching to the choir! >>> >>> If there is already a service like this, please let me know that as >>> well. >>> >>> All the best, >>> Ginger