Not the names you wanted but found the following: I have no additional data on these surnames , visit your local FHC for details Bob Cdn. ------------------------------ BOYCE, Thomas Marriage Wife: Hannah HILL Marriage Date: 30 Jun 1860 Recorded in: Belfast, Antrim, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Hugh BOYCE Wife's Father: John MOORE Source: FHL Film 101413 Dates: 1860 - 1860 --------------- DEBOYS, Hugh Marr 1847 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: Mary MCAVERY DEBOISE, Mary Jane Marr 1850 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: William John MCADAM DEBOIS, Robert Marr 1854 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: Sarah HARPER BOYCE, James Marr 1856 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: Anna ALLEN BOYCE, Matilda Marr 1856 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: Samuel MC NEIGHT BOYCE, Anne Marr 1860 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: Samuel MCMASTER BOYCE, Thomas Marr 1860 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: Hannah HILL DEBOYS, James Marr 1860 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: Mary MCLOUGHLIN OR KENNEDY OR BOYD DEBOYS, Mary Jane Marr 1861 Irel Antr Belfas Sp: George KENNEDY ========================================== William McLellan wrote:<SNIP> > Does anyone know of a marriage between Agnes Hill and Edward Boyce > around 1818/20+ probably in Antrim. ============================================

Hi Veronica - I don't have specific knowledge of this topic but the 1840s series of failures of the potato crop resulting in 'the famine' were not the only famines in Ireland in the early 1800s and indeed long before that. Gustave de Beaumont, writing in 1839 quotes Boulter, principle agent of the English government 'Since my arrival in this country (in 1725) famine has not ceased among the poor. There was such a dearth of grain last year, that thousands of families were obliged to quit their dwellings to look for support elseqwhere: many hundreds perished'. In 1832 Bishop Doyle was asked what was the state of the population in the west and replied 'The people are perishing as usual' - also from de Beaumont. In other places the industries which had built up, such as weaving and textile work at home, had been completely wiped out by the industrial developments in England with which the cottage and home-based industries could not compete. There were probably many other factors as well, including land issues and political unrest. Certainly the Irish had been leaving for America for many decades prior to the famine years. I think you will find plenty of literature is available on the pre-1840 period as well as information on the web. Good luck with your searching. Regards, Patsy - New Zealand. Subject: Re: [IRELAND] Post Famine Emigration from Ireland to Glasgow,Scotland -- Book Review (2003) > Re the subject book "Irish, The Remarkable Story of a Nation and a > City" by John Burrows, is there a volume which might describe the > emigration from County Galway to Liverpool in the early 1800's? My > ancestor JOHN THORNTON (bn 1799) left Ireland with four children > sometime before 1830. His son, JOHN THORNTON, my great grandfather > was born in Ormskirk, Lancashire in 1830. Both JOHN, the father and > his wife Ann, died within a month of each other in December/January, > 1839/40 of typhus fever. The Irish born children survived as, > hawkers, labourers and female servants. John, the son moved to the > northeast of England and seemed to do better. I am curious as to why > they would leave Ireland to live in such poverty in England? > > Veronica Thornton Hagin

As we are on the topic of the Sloan Surname may I add a question? The naming pattern that is in my family is to use the maiden name of the wife and add it to the son of the family. Here are some details of the family I'm looking into. I have a John Bolan b. about 1800 in Ireland somewhere. He married a Sarah ??? b. about 1800 as well. She was from Armagh based on an obit I have found on the net. They had a son named Sloan which may be the surname of Sarah. A long shot for sure. They family moved from Ireland after the birth of Sloan in about 1836 and before the birth of the daughter Elizabeth in 1842 in Simcoe county in Ontario Canada. If this rings any bells with anyone I would love to hear from you. Scott Robertson Toronto Ontario Canada

This you may have already. Judy SLOAN, Thomas Marriage Wife: Mary A. CADDOW Age: 19 Marriage Date: 19 Dec 1856 Recorded in: Caledon, Tyrone, Ireland Collection: Civil Registration Husband's Father: Saml. SLOAN Wife's Father: Wm. CADDOW Source: FHL Film 101372 Dates: 1856 - 1856 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Thomas Gallagher. From his book, 'Paddy's Lament' (New York, 1982), Dublin, Poolbeg Press, 1988. The story is based on the account by Rev. S. Godolphin Osbourne in his book, 'Gleanings from the West of Ireland', London, 1850. The starving were everywhere and could not be avoided, even by veteran travellers like the Reverend S. Godolphin Osbourne. He and his English travelling companion were on their way to Westport, in a cracked old coach with the paint worn off, a dingy harness, and a driver wearing the inevitable top hat and coat and swallow-tailed frieze coat, when they became emotionally involved, against their will, with another seeker of food. This one, though, absolutely refused to lose self-respect in order to obtain it. The countryside between Limerick and Westport was wild, beautiful, hardly cultivated, with the green mountains tinged with yellow and brown rising everywhere in the background. The brightly variegated plain seemed ideal for grazing purposes, but there were few animals and even fewer farms. Suddenly a barefoot girl about twelve years old appeared - from nowhere, it seemed, for there were no trees and no cabins close to the road. Dressed in a man's old coat closely buttoned to conceal the fact that she was otherwise naked, she began running beside their coach, keeping pace with it whether it went very fast, as it did when the road was straight and level, or slowly, as it did around turns or up slippery grades. She did not ask for anything but with fists clenched kept running, matching her speed to the horse's so that she was always directly beside the two seated English gentlemen in the car and just behind the driver on his high seat. Osbourne and his friend had by now reached the point where they refused all mendicants, including even those who, like this girl, were obviously not professional. From experience they had learned that by relieving them with the value of no more than a meal, they would be subjected to an eloquence of gratitude, spoken in every feature and gesture, invoking every office of Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary, every pleading of the saints, to bless them throughout their lives and on into eternity. Osbourne especially was firmly against giving alms to this barefoot girl in the threadbare coat, whose long blonde hair bounced against her back as she ran, as though she was astride a trotting horse. He kept urging his friend to resist while they both kept telling her, again and again, that they would give her nothing. But she never asked for anything, and in time they became astonished at her concentration, her stamina, the stoical expression that held in thrall her lovely features. She was a magnificent creature with a fine, expressive face going back to what had once been an Irish aristocracy, a face whose beauty now almost appeared improper in the daughter of a peasant. At any other time in Ireland, when singing and dancing and poetry reading in a warm commingling of families were weekly occurrences, the people watching such a girl in a jig would have said something like, "Faith, but that one mixes her legs well. Sure, while your back was turned, she could walk up your sleeve and build a nest in your ear." She was that pretty, slender, and agile, but now her every feature showed such controlled determination that the two silent travelling companions grew more and more attentive to this unexpected and unwelcome contest. Osbourne, as he himself could plainly see, was much more irritated than his friend by her silent, wearying importunity. The friend kept shaking his head at her in refusal, but with every quarter-mile travelled he did so with less and less conviction. His heart finally began to soften at the sight of her, asking for nothing but refusing to be denied, gasping for breath but clinging to some irreducible minimum of pride, literally running her heart out so she could go back to her mother and father (whose old coat she was wearing because hers had been new enough to pawn) and surprise them and her brothers and sisters with some food, or the money to buy some. "The naked spokes of those naked legs, still seemed to turn in some mysterious harmony with our wheels," Osbourne said. "On, on she went, ever by our side, using her eyes only to pick her way, never speaking, not even looking at us." It was not until she had run at least two miles, a distance she would have to retrace on bleeding feet, that she won the day. Soaked with sweat, her eyes burning with salt, her mouth open and gasping for breath, she became very hot, coughed, and buckled over as if from stomach cramps. Still she ran with undiminished speed, absolutely determined to match the speed of the horse and remain parallel with the two Englishmen sitting in the carriage. Finally Osbourne's companion, fearful that her determination would destroy her, gave in. "That cough did it," Osbourne said. "He gave her a fourpenny piece: I confess I forgave him - it was hard earned, though by a bad sort of industry." The girl invoked neither the office of the Saviour nor the grace of the Virgin nor the pleading of the Saints to bless the English gentlemen. She took the money from them as she might have taken an apple from a tree or a fish from a lake, and walked slowly back with it along the road towards home. The fourpenny piece, equal to roughly half a day's pay for the lowliest worker, would buy enough meal to keep the family fed for another day or two. With it held tightly in her fist, she would enter, like sunlight, the darkness of the cabin and somehow reconcile everyone to it.

The table below shows the number of Richie households in each county in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64. Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by parish (paying). Antrim 4 Armagh 3 Cavan 1 Derry 7 Donegal 3 Down 10 Dublin city 1 Fermanagh 1 Louth 1 Mayo 3 Meath 1 Monaghan 2 Tyrone 4 The table below shows the number of Richey households in each county in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64. Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by parish (paying). Antrim 14 Armagh 1 Belfast city 3 Cavan 7 Cork city 1 Derry 32 Donegal 16 Down 13 Monaghan 9 Tyrone 17 The table below shows the number of Hanna households in each county in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64. Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by parish (paying). Antrim 125 Armagh 43 Belfast city 35 Cavan 7 Derry 23 Donegal 18 Down 313 Dublin 2 Dublin city 2 Fermanagh 11 Galway 3 Limerick 4 Mayo 9 Monaghan 32 Offaly 1 Sligo 1 Tyrone 25 Wexford 2 The table below shows the number of Hannah households in each county in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64. Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by parish (paying). Antrim 3 Belfast city 5 Cavan 1 Cork 1 Donegal 1 Down 2 Dublin 3 Mayo 2 Tyrone 1 Waterford 1 The table below shows the number of Ritchie households in each county in the Primary Valuation property survey of 1848-64. Click on a county name for a breakdown of the number of households by parish (paying). Antrim 33 Armagh 8 Belfast city 41 Derry 9 Down 40 Dublin 1 Dublin city 1 Leitrim 2 Louth 1 Monaghan 3 Tyrone 2 Hi Betty - Please check out the surname search engine and other data at www.ireland.com/ancestor/ Ireland's Primary Valuation (Griffith's) 1848-64 revealed these and other variations in spelling for your interesting surnames -HANNAH and RITCHIE - and found in several Irish counties. Concentrating chiefly on Co. Donegal: There was only one recorded HANNAH household in Co. Donegal. HANNA was the most frequent spelling by far in Ireland, and there were 18 HANNA households in Co. Donegal.. RITCHIE was the spelling found most often, compared to its variations, but there were no RITCHIE households in Co. Donegal. There were both HANNAH and RITCHIE households in the same parish, but they were apparently located in Co. Antrim, Belfast city, and Co. Down. Working with the different spellings, on the "second surname" search at that website, in the event that they lived and met in a particular parish in Co. Donegal: There are HANNA and RICHEY households in the same parish in Co. Donegal. Also HANNA and RICHIE households in the same parish in Co. Donegal. For a fee, you can learn more about these particular parishes. Please recheck my notes. Often there is truth to family lore, so you can probably assume for now that your Donegal location is correct. Families may have lived for generations in one particular location, in which case individuals most often met and married someone in their own parish. Researchers looking for well-educated families (often Protestant) with known middle names, have a distinct advantage. A son's unusual first or middle name may be mother's maiden ("nee") surname in disguise. Christian names appeared in earlier and later generations. Apparently there were only about 100 different Catholic given names used, so that makes it more difficult. Spelling of names on records may be skewed due to illiteracy and be spelled phonetically. There wasn't an emphasis on correct spelling. Add to that the fact that Ireland was often in turmoil. An estimated 15% of events may not have been recorded. Generally speaking, the further back in time one goes the harder it is to locate your particular line. You can't just assume that someone is "yours" because they have the name you are researching. Comparison of the birth records for children in one family often reveals variations in surname spelling and perhaps a living child was given the name of a child who had died. In many cases an event was not recorded for days, weeks, even months. Spelling may have been changed accidentally (or deliberately) during the emigration process. Obtain as many documents as possible from the known places they lived for more clues. Sometimes we have to settle for knowing that our families came from Ireland or a particular county in Ireland. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 5:36 AM Subject: [IRELAND] HANNAH / RITCHIE couple born 1820's, 1830's > Hello, > > My gr-gr-grandparents were born in "Donegal, Ireland." And, over the > last few months, it has dawned on me that I don't know which part of > "County > Donegal" they were from. I just got too used to saying they were born > in > "Donegal." > > So, I'd like to ask if there is any way to find out more details about > their > births: > > William HANNAH, born Dec. 25, 1828 > > Eliza RITCHIE, born June 21, 1837 > > > FYI: I have their parents as: > > William HANNAH and Mary Ann (?) > > Andrew RITCHIE and Isabella (?) > > > William and Eliza were married in Glasgow, Scotland, and I'm told by > researchers that the families probably moved back and forth between the > two > areas looking for work. > > > Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)

I am looking for information regarding the marriage of my ancestors, Thomas Sloan and Mary Ann Cardow (the spelling varies i.e could be Cardoo, Cardoe etc.) which I believe took place in Caledon, County Tyrone on 19th December 1865. Does anyone else have an interest in this couple? They came to Scotland soon after and had a number of children there.

Re the subject book "Irish, The Remarkable Story of a Nation and a City" by John Burrows, is there a volume which might describe the emigration from County Galway to Liverpool in the early 1800's? My ancestor JOHN THORNTON (bn 1799) left Ireland with four children sometime before 1830. His son, JOHN THORNTON, my great grandfather was born in Ormskirk, Lancashire in 1830. Both JOHN, the father and his wife Ann, died within a month of each other in December/January, 1839/40 of typhus fever. The Irish born children survived as, hawkers, labourers and female servants. John, the son moved to the northeast of England and seemed to do better. I am curious as to why they would leave Ireland to live in such poverty in England? Veronica Thornton Hagin

BOOK REVIEW: "Irish, The Remarkable Story of a Nation and a City," by John BURROWS (Mainstream Publishing) ISBN 1-84018-685-2, h/b, is a 2003 book that tells the story of post Famine emigration from Ireland to the Scottish city of Glasgow. It begins with an account of a hellish sea voyage long faded from the pages of history. The small ships sailing to Scotland were grossly overcrowded,i.e.,'the whole length and breadth of the steerage presented a mass of human beings literally packed together...in fact the appearance of that vessel was that of a shipload of heads and faces.' No one could move, had there been an emergency. On 1 Dec 1848, the "Londonderry" sailed for Glasgow out of Sligo into a raging sea, her deck packed with people. As the storm worsened, they were forced down into the ship's hold to avoid being washed overboard. The hatches were sealed against their frantic protests. When the ship sheltered in Derry harbour it was discovered that 72 souls had suffocated out of the estimated 200 forced below the deck. Other ships carried thousands of Irish to the haven of the city on the "Clyde." The story of the Irish in Scotland is not easy to tell. There was a famous riot, the Battle of Patrick's Cross, in which no one died, nor were fires lit, nor barricades erected. There were gawkers, knockers and mockers, navvies and skivvies, Orange and Green. And there were the amazing adventures of Hannah, the story of an Irish girl in Glasgow which ran for months as a serial in the Glasgow Catholic Observer a century ago. Glasgow, however, was not overcome by poverty, plague and popery as some dreaded it might be. There are still unpleasing local eruptions, generally connected with football. The Irish immigrant, survivors of the most harrowing experiences in the most wretched of times permanently changed the face of the city which became their home. Perhaps you can find a copy of this book if the subject interests you.

MY GRIEF ON THE SEA My grief on the sea, How the waves of it roll! For they heave between me And the love of my soul! Abandoned, forsaken, To grief and to care, Will the sea ever waken Relief from despair? My grief and my trouble! Would he and I were In the province of Leinster Or the county of Clare. Were I and my darling -- Oh, heart-bitter wound! On board of the ship For America bound. On a green bed of rushes All last night I lay, And I flung it abroad With the heat of the day. And my love came behind me -- He came from the South; His breast to my bosom. His mouth to my mouth. -- Anon., 19th c., translated by Douglas HYDE "1000 Years Of Irish Poetry," ed. Kathleen Hoaglund (1947 & 1975) Douglas HYDE (1860-1949), academic and cultural revivalist. Son of a Church of Ireland clergyman, brought up first in Co. Sligo and then, from 1867, at Frenchpark, Co. Roscommon, both areas rich in antiquities and where some spoken Irish survived. He entered Trinity College in 1880, switching from an initial course of divinity to law. Though not the founder of the Gaelic League, HYDE became its first president in 1893. He was professor of Irish at University College, Dublin, a member of the Irish Free State Senate from 1925, and first president of Ireland 1938-45. HYDE published extensively, drawing both on oral tradition and on manuscript sources. His most important collections included "Love Songs of Connacht" (1893), and "The Religious Songs of Connacht" (1906). He collaborated with YEATS and LADY GREGORY on a number of theatrical productions. His political sympathies were nationalist.

Hello, My gr-gr-grandparents were born in "Donegal, Ireland." And, over the last few months, it has dawned on me that I don't know which part of "County Donegal" they were from. I just got too used to saying they were born in "Donegal." So, I'd like to ask if there is any way to find out more details about their births: William HANNAH, born Dec. 25, 1828 Eliza RITCHIE, born June 21, 1837 FYI: I have their parents as: William HANNAH and Mary Ann (?) Andrew RITCHIE and Isabella (?) William and Eliza were married in Glasgow, Scotland, and I'm told by researchers that the families probably moved back and forth between the two areas looking for work. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) P.S. I've been having trouble with my Outlook Express; I haven't been able to "send" e-mails for 5 days, so I don't know when you will receive this. We may have arrived on different ships but we're all in the same boat now. :o) (thinking genealogy) (possibly first said by Martin Luther King, Jr.)

Roane County Chancery Book: 1824-­1845 The following genealogical gleanings were abstracted by the late Willis Hutcherson and Marilyn McCluen and appeared in the old Roane County Historical Society newsletter in the 1970s. Volume 5 Issue 4, April 1974 George MOORE died in June 1842 in Roane County without wife or children. He had four brothers and one sister. Two of the brothers and the sister predeceased him leaving a number of heirs. One brother was Noble MOORE who is dead leaving a son George and three or four other children. pp. 222-227. www.roanetnheritage.com/research/court%20records/01.htm May find additional info. on heirs via court records & wills with help of Roane TN County Heritage Society. There is more MOORE data on that website. Also, check out this website: www.tngenweb.org/loudon/family/eldridge.html . MOORE-containing FH books in the National Library of Ireland (Dublin), possibly the oldest one has been transcribed to the Internet: 1: T. J. G. BENNETT, "North Antrim Families," (pub. 1974). 2. J. HORE, ""The Moores of Moore Hall," (pub. London 1939). 3. THE COUNTESS OF DROGHEDA (LOUTH): "The family of Moore," (pub. Dublin 1906). Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [IRELAND] MOORE LATE 1700's from Ireland to TN,USA - NOBLE/FINDLAY Hi Charlene -- Can't answer your query, but I think that the key to your FH likely lies in those TN records. The MOORE surname was very numerous in Ireland during the Primary Valuation (1848-64) with 4,040 households, particularly in Cos. Down (404) and Antrim (376). <snip> ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: [IRELAND] MOORE LATE 1700's from Ireland to TN, USA >I am searching for any information on where my Moore family was in Ireland > and any information on their parent's or wives? > > In the late 1700's there were 3 full brother's left Ireland bound for the > USA, they probably landed around PA then moved on down to the area of Knox > County, TN/Roane County, TN by 1794. > > The brothers were named Alexander Moore, James Moore & George Moore, > probably born in the 1770s but I am not certain of dates of birth. They > were buying > large area's of land in Roane Co., TN 1794. I know George Moore was a > slave > owner. > > > They left behind at LEAST one full brother, Noble Moore who would die in > Ireland, probably Dublin but I am not sure, I heard the other brother's > sailed > from Dublin. From old Roane Co., TN Court records it was said that the > name > of Noble Moore's wife was Isabella. > > The name of James Moore's wife was Jane Moore. I do not know the name of > Alexander Moore's wife. > > George Moore never married in Ireland or the USA per the old Court Records > from Roane Co., TN. > > After the death of Noble Moore in Ireland the brother, George Moore, > either > returned for, or sent for Noble Moore's widow, Isabella and the children, > William, George, Hugh A., Jane & Isabella Moore, the children of Noble > Moore > would all appear to be born in the 1790s in Ireland. > > George Moore also sent for the half brother & sister of Noble, George, > James > & Alexander. The half brother was John Moore who would first live in the > Knox/Roane Co., TN area and then go to Lincoln Co., TN and the half > sister was > Isabella Moore who would marry James Findlay, also of Ireland but not > certain > WHERE in Ireland. James & Isabella Moore Findlay would settle in Roane > Co., > TN where Isabella Moore Findlay would die before 1842. > > I would like to know the given name of the Father of all these Moore's and > the Mother of the first Moore brothers and the Mother of the last > children, > John & Isabella Moore. > > All these Moore's were Protestant. > > I noticed that some people say the name of Noble Moore's wife was Isabella > ALEXANDER but nobody can give a source for that information (that I have > heard > from). > > Any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Thank you for your time. > > Charlene [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) >

Hi Charlene -- Can't answer your query, but I think that the key to your FH likely lies in those TN records. The MOORE surname was very numerous in Ireland during the Primary Valuation (1848-64) with 4,040 households, particularly in Cos. Down (404) and Antrim (376). The given name NOBLE means "aristocratic." Having said that - when an unusual first or middle name is found in a well-educated (often Protestant) male child, it could represent a "surname in disguise," i.e. , mother's maiden ("nee") surname or another surname of importance to the family. SURNAME DICTIONARY/ SLOINNTE NA h-EIREANN Noble numerous: mainly Ulster. Anglo-Normans, 13 cent but 17 cent in Ulster. By the Primary Valuation (1848-64), it was found most often in Co. Fermanagh (100 households) followed by Co. Tyrone with 40. ----- The FINDLAY surname appears to be a variation of FINLAY (see website www.ireland.com/ancestor/ ). Interestingly, FINDLAY spelling did not appear in Ireland's Primary Valuation (1848-64). FINLAY spelling was found in several counties and was most numerous in Co. Down. See website above for more data. Finlay Very numerous: Ulster, Louth-Meath etc. Scottish, a branch of Clan Farquharson, also used for Ó Fionnghalaigh (Fennelly) in Midlands. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:01 PM Subject: [IRELAND] MOORE LATE 1700's from Ireland to TN, USA >I am searching for any information on where my Moore family was in Ireland > and any information on their parent's or wives? > > In the late 1700's there were 3 full brother's left Ireland bound for the > USA, they probably landed around PA then moved on down to the area of Knox > County, TN/Roane County, TN by 1794. > > The brothers were named Alexander Moore, James Moore & George Moore, > probably born in the 1770s but I am not certain of dates of birth. They > were buying > large area's of land in Roane Co., TN 1794. I know George Moore was a > slave > owner. > > > They left behind at LEAST one full brother, Noble Moore who would die in > Ireland, probably Dublin but I am not sure, I heard the other brother's > sailed > from Dublin. From old Roane Co., TN Court records it was said that the > name > of Noble Moore's wife was Isabella. > > The name of James Moore's wife was Jane Moore. I do not know the name of > Alexander Moore's wife. > > George Moore never married in Ireland or the USA per the old Court Records > from Roane Co., TN. > > After the death of Noble Moore in Ireland the brother, George Moore, > either > returned for, or sent for Noble Moore's widow, Isabella and the children, > William, George, Hugh A., Jane & Isabella Moore, the children of Noble > Moore > would all appear to be born in the 1790s in Ireland. > > George Moore also sent for the half brother & sister of Noble, George, > James > & Alexander. The half brother was John Moore who would first live in the > Knox/Roane Co., TN area and then go to Lincoln Co., TN and the half > sister was > Isabella Moore who would marry James Findlay, also of Ireland but not > certain > WHERE in Ireland. James & Isabella Moore Findlay would settle in Roane > Co., > TN where Isabella Moore Findlay would die before 1842. > > I would like to know the given name of the Father of all these Moore's and > the Mother of the first Moore brothers and the Mother of the last > children, > John & Isabella Moore. > > All these Moore's were Protestant. > > I noticed that some people say the name of Noble Moore's wife was Isabella > ALEXANDER but nobody can give a source for that information (that I have > heard > from). > > Any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Thank you for your time. > > Charlene [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1210 - Release Date: 1/5/2008 > 11:46 AM > >

HOME A burst of sudden wings at dawn, Faint voices in a dreamy noon, Evenings of mist and murmurings, And night with rainbows of the moon. And through these things a wood-way dim, And waters dim, and slow sheep seen On uphill paths that wind away Through summer sounds and harvest green. This is a song a robin sang This morning on a broken tree, It was about the little fields That call across the world to me. -- Francis Ledwidge (1891-1917) from Co. Meath, killed in the First World War and commemorated every year by the Inchicore Ledwidge Society.

GENETICS My father's in my fingers, but my mother's in my palms. I lift them up and look at them with pleasure - I know my parents made me by my hands. They may have been repelled to separate lands, in separate hemispheres, may sleep with other lovers, but in me they touch where fingers link to palms. With nothing left of their togetherness but friends who quarry for their image by a river, at least I know their marriage by my hands. I shape a chapel where a steeple stands. And when I turn it over, my father's by my fingers, my mother's by my palms demure before a priest reciting psalms. My body is their marriage register. I re-enact their wedding with my hands. So take me with you, take up the skin's demands for mirroring in bodies of the future. I'll bequeath my fingers, if you bequeath your palms. We know our parents make us by our hands. -- Sinead Morrissey

MY OWN DRUMEELA SCHOOL I woke up at 6 this morning as a bright new day in dawning The sun is shining brightly and everything seems cool After dreaming all night long of my old Drumeela School I could clearly see Con Reilly who was always fun and tricky Also John Pat O'Brien and his red-haired brother Mickey I also saw our teachers, Master King and Ms. McCusker. As they stood there by the blackboard with cane and chalk and duster Some days were long and boring and at times we'd chat at will While some sat beside the window looking out at Annagh Hill We never heard of Julius Caesar, Napoleon or Mussolini But we all knew Frank the blacksmith and Mickey McAweney I remember Edmond Patterson who never missed a trick He lived near Donald Murray and the Dolans in Drumbrick There were nine in Mike McKeevers and nine in John Fitz's Who all loved playing football and also jumping ditches We had McGoverns, McGertys and Lynchs and a lot of McIntyres Also two Benny Reillys and four John Maguires Some of them came early and some were always late And the ones who had some money would always stop at Kate's >From Newtown came the Gorbys, Brian Kiernan and May McGovern There was also Kathleen Irwin and O'Rourkes from Killerin They always seemed relaxed and never seemed to hurry As they always came to school on the back of Reilly's lorry We never had computers not even two-wheeled scooter No radios, cars or tellies but we were always very happy In our brand new shiny "wellies" Times were tough back then but we were all well fed With lots of spuds and bacon and a pot beneath the bed I almost forgot to mention, As you can plainly see All seven members of my own family There was Peggy, Monica, Theresa and Me Then came Vera and Father Kevin And with sadness we say that Jim has gone to Heaven So now I'll say goodbye and hope to see you soon I'll be counting all the days from now until next June I'm going back to bed now, which I don't do as a rule And do some more reminiscing about my old Drumeela School -- Michael O'Rourke, 2007 "Leitrim Guardian" periodical

Hi Charlene. I don't have the answer to your query but it is interesting to note that the only Noble MOORE who comes up on IGI is born in Warwickshire in 1735, father = William. If the William you mention is the eldest son of Noble this might be a connection, given naming patterns of the time? although this Noble is possibly a generation earlier. Rather tenuous I know, but given the state of English/Irish politics of the time it is entirely possible the family had settled in Dublin during the late 1700s. If the family were Protestant it is possible that the registers for whatever Dublin church they attended would still be in existence. If it happened to be Christ Church cathedral (some early connection to Sir Edward Moore of Mellifont to this church, so a possibility) the records at the RCB library in Dublin certainly cover the period you are looking at. You have perhaps already expored this - my apologies if you have. If not, unfortunately the library does not offer research services. However they would probably answer a query as to which Dublin parishes they have records for and what years they cover. Best wishes, Patsy - New Zealand Subject: [IRELAND] MOORE LATE 1700's from Ireland to TN, USA >I am searching for any information on where my Moore family was in Ireland > and any information on their parent's or wives? > > In the late 1700's there were 3 full brother's left Ireland bound for the > USA, they probably landed around PA then moved on down to the area of Knox > County, TN/Roane County, TN by 1794. > > The brothers were named Alexander Moore, James Moore & George Moore, > probably born in the 1770s but I am not certain of dates of birth. They > were buying > large area's of land in Roane Co., TN 1794. I know George Moore was a > slave > owner. > > > They left behind at LEAST one full brother, Noble Moore who would die in > Ireland, probably Dublin but I am not sure, I heard the other brother's > sailed > from Dublin. From old Roane Co., TN Court records it was said that the > name > of Noble Moore's wife was Isabella. > > The name of James Moore's wife was Jane Moore. I do not know the name of > Alexander Moore's wife. > > George Moore never married in Ireland or the USA per the old Court Records > from Roane Co., TN. > > After the death of Noble Moore in Ireland the brother, George Moore, > either > returned for, or sent for Noble Moore's widow, Isabella and the children, > William, George, Hugh A., Jane & Isabella Moore, the children of Noble > Moore > would all appear to be born in the 1790s in Ireland. > > George Moore also sent for the half brother & sister of Noble, George, > James > & Alexander. The half brother was John Moore who would first live in the > Knox/Roane Co., TN area and then go to Lincoln Co., TN and the half > sister was > Isabella Moore who would marry James Findlay, also of Ireland but not > certain > WHERE in Ireland. James & Isabella Moore Findlay would settle in Roane > Co., > TN where Isabella Moore Findlay would die before 1842. > > I would like to know the given name of the Father of all these Moore's and > the Mother of the first Moore brothers and the Mother of the last > children, > John & Isabella Moore. > > All these Moore's were Protestant. > > I noticed that some people say the name of Noble Moore's wife was Isabella > ALEXANDER but nobody can give a source for that information (that I have > heard > from). > > Any help or advice would be appreciated. > > Thank you for your time. > > Charlene [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) > > > > **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. > http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am searching for any information on where my Moore family was in Ireland and any information on their parent's or wives? In the late 1700's there were 3 full brother's left Ireland bound for the USA, they probably landed around PA then moved on down to the area of Knox County, TN/Roane County, TN by 1794. The brothers were named Alexander Moore, James Moore & George Moore, probably born in the 1770s but I am not certain of dates of birth. They were buying large area's of land in Roane Co., TN 1794. I know George Moore was a slave owner. They left behind at LEAST one full brother, Noble Moore who would die in Ireland, probably Dublin but I am not sure, I heard the other brother's sailed from Dublin. From old Roane Co., TN Court records it was said that the name of Noble Moore's wife was Isabella. The name of James Moore's wife was Jane Moore. I do not know the name of Alexander Moore's wife. George Moore never married in Ireland or the USA per the old Court Records from Roane Co., TN. After the death of Noble Moore in Ireland the brother, George Moore, either returned for, or sent for Noble Moore's widow, Isabella and the children, William, George, Hugh A., Jane & Isabella Moore, the children of Noble Moore would all appear to be born in the 1790s in Ireland. George Moore also sent for the half brother & sister of Noble, George, James & Alexander. The half brother was John Moore who would first live in the Knox/Roane Co., TN area and then go to Lincoln Co., TN and the half sister was Isabella Moore who would marry James Findlay, also of Ireland but not certain WHERE in Ireland. James & Isabella Moore Findlay would settle in Roane Co., TN where Isabella Moore Findlay would die before 1842. I would like to know the given name of the Father of all these Moore's and the Mother of the first Moore brothers and the Mother of the last children, John & Isabella Moore. All these Moore's were Protestant. I noticed that some people say the name of Noble Moore's wife was Isabella ALEXANDER but nobody can give a source for that information (that I have heard from). Any help or advice would be appreciated. Thank you for your time. Charlene [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

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Unsubscribe please ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: IRELAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 463 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. "Christmas Tree" -- e. e. cummings (b. 1894 Cambridge, MA) > (Jean R.) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 12:29:09 -0800 > From: "Jean R." <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRELAND] "Christmas Tree" -- e. e. cummings (b. 1894 > Cambridge, MA) > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > CHRISTMAS TREE > > little tree > little silent Christmas tree > you are so little > you are more like a flower > > who found you in the green forest > and were you very sorry to come away? > see I will comfort you > because you smell so sweetly > > I will kiss your cool bark > and hug you safe and tight > just as your mother would, > only don't be afraid > > look the spangles > that sleep all the year in a dark box > dreaming of being taken out and allowed to shine, > the balls the chains red and gold the fluffy threads, > > put up your little arms > and i'll give them all to you to hold > every finger shall have its ring > and there won't be a single place dark or unhappy > > then when you are quite dressed > you'll stand in the window for everyone to see > and how they'll stare! > oh but you'll be very proud > > and my little sister and i will take hands > and looking up at our beautiful tree > we'll dance and sing > "Noel Noel" > > -- e. e. cummings > American poet Edward Estlin Cummings (1894-1962), renowned poet, painter, > and playwright, was born in Cambridge, MA, the son of a prominent Boston > clergyman and teacher. Cummings volunteered as an ambulance driver in WWI > and wrote his experiences in a detention camp, "The Enormous Room." > (1922). > Seeking a spontaneous and fresh presentation in his writing, he generally > disregarded grammar and punctuation, even in his own name - coined his own > words, ran words and sentences together. After their divorce, his first > wife > and daughter went to live in Ireland. Cummings always stressed > individualism. Some of his verses have been set to music and played in > various venues including Ireland. In Kilkenny the former Augustinian > Friary > played host to "A Wind Has Blown The Rain Away," an evening of e. e. > cummings songs with NY composer/pianist Ellen Mandel, accompanied by tenor > Toss Almond. The Queen's University, Belfast, has one of Cummings lines on > their website - "The most wasted of all days is one without laughter." > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRELAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRELAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRELAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 463 > ***************************************