In a message dated 6/15/2005 2:48:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, surberj@earthlink.net writes: Well, my dear old granddad sicked the hounds on anybody he didn't want to be bothered with. Especially "guv'm't men" who asked questions he thought were none of their "dambizness." LOL I like him! John Thomas Hendricks Wortman lived in Morristown, Hanover Twp, Shelby Co, in 1920. Whoa, I'm the dumb one here. I think that was when they lived in Sebring FL for a couple of years. Actually I thought it was before that, but that could be the problem. I'll go back and look. The grandfather I can't find was William Rush Arnold. He lived in Carthage in Rush County most likely at the that time. Otherwise it was in Shelby County. Now I did find a William Arnold in Rush County, but it wasn't mine. Mine's wife's name was Grace and his son was Harold. The listing was other names for the husband and children. I've looked for him in the 1930 census also with no luck. Jill