Don't ever give up. My great grandmother Vivian shows up as a Vana.

The worst one I've found was a very plainly written "Joel" indexed as "Jacob". I found him by searching with birth date and place, location, etc with no name, then looking at each of them. I understand that people overseas do the indexing for Ancestry. Jim . . James R. Baker, Jr. (jrbakerjr) Free Genealogy Databases http://www.jrbakerjr.com . . ----- Original Message ----- From: <CCarnivale@aol.com> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1920 Census free two days >I have found MANY misspelling on Ancestry. Some are understandable, but >some > are just sloppy reading. I have found many with the first letter wrong. > and > in context with the rest of the letters you can make out the first one > handily. > But they evidently did not try. And sometimes I have found they did index > two > possible first names for one person. I was surprised when I found that, > and > that was very good to do. > I use wildcards, and I sometimes just look for a first name in a county, > even > when it takes a lot of time, within an age range. Or I may look for > "female/male" age 25, give or take 5 years, for instance. > > If I need it bad enough, I will keep on looking forever! ha! I still look > for > my Lucinda and Alfred Stone, dau or son Piercy/Percy Stone, and Lucinda's > older son Theodore Young - all disappeared after the 1850c. I know the > older > folks could have died, but all four? > Carleen > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to often check-out our website at > www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines > reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us > tidings of antiquity. > > - Cicero > > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > Thanks! > Melinda > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I've tried everything possible, all combinations, even went page by page through all of Hanover Twp in Shelby and Posey Twp in Rush, even part of Center Twp, and it's just not there. Something kind of sad I thought about, my dad had a sister born in September of 1920. Had the family been in the census she still wouldn't have been listed. She died in 1925, long before the 1930 census. So, she never was even counted. I'll bet there are lots of instances like this. Jill

I have found MANY misspelling on Ancestry. Some are understandable, but some are just sloppy reading. I have found many with the first letter wrong. and in context with the rest of the letters you can make out the first one handily. But they evidently did not try. And sometimes I have found they did index two possible first names for one person. I was surprised when I found that, and that was very good to do. I use wildcards, and I sometimes just look for a first name in a county, even when it takes a lot of time, within an age range. Or I may look for "female/male" age 25, give or take 5 years, for instance. If I need it bad enough, I will keep on looking forever! ha! I still look for my Lucinda and Alfred Stone, dau or son Piercy/Percy Stone, and Lucinda's older son Theodore Young - all disappeared after the 1850c. I know the older folks could have died, but all four? Carleen

Jill, I didn't catch what name you're looking for, maybe I can help you look, Janet Jknitl@aol.com wrote: I've tried everything possible, all combinations, even went page by page through all of Hanover Twp in Shelby and Posey Twp in Rush, even part of Center Twp, and it's just not there. Something kind of sad I thought about, my dad had a sister born in September of 1920. Had the family been in the census she still wouldn't have been listed. She died in 1925, long before the 1930 census. So, she never was even counted. I'll bet there are lots of instances like this. Jill ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== Don't forget to often check-out our website at www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. - Cicero For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net Thanks! Melinda ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx We fix problems with duct tape and glue, God used Nails

Regarding the 1920 and other census': People were listed where they were staying, or visiting sometimes -- not necessarily where their home base was. And, with past census' I find that many were missed, probably they weren't home at the time and the census taker didn't bother to go back and look for them. In some cases I know they were their entier lives, but I didn't find them for 20 years! You could try a surrounding county, especially where one of their children lived. They might be listed there. Ethel Beard Simons

Could be the man who took the 1920 census died. And NO one finish his census job up... This happen here in Dearborn Co., So, the whole northwest section of Jackson Twp. is missing from the census.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Surber" <surberj@earthlink.net> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: [INSHELBY] 1920 Census & Jill's g.grandfather > Jill writes: > > Now I have a question someone might be able to answer. My gr grandfather > was born and died in Hanover Twp, Shelby Co, but no matter what possible > combination of names I use he is not listed in the 1920 census. I know > exactly where he lived. The same is true for my paternal grandfather, > although he lived in Rush County for a few years including the year 1920. > Even with the advanced search options I get nothing. Wasn't complying with > the census mandatory in 1920? How is it possible that they were not > included? Thanks for any insights. Jill > > ===== > Jill -- > How is it possible? Well, my dear old granddad sicked the hounds on anybody > he didn't want to be bothered with. Especially "guv'm't men" who asked > questions he thought were none of their "dambizness." Tended to discourage > visitors. Of course that was in Arkansas and maybe folks on Indiana were > more polite by 1920. > > What was your g.grandfather's name? Where did he live? I'll be glad to > look for him in another couple of sources I have access to. Maybe a new set > of eyes could find him? Do you know the names of any of the neighbors > (since you say you know where he lived). Did you find him in the 1910 > census? or the 1930 census? I've had luck looking for known friends or > relatives and finding elusive people nearby on the census, sometimes spelled > in an odd way or listed under the name of another family member. > > Jeanne > > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to often check-out our website at www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. > > - Cicero > > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > Thanks! > Melinda > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 6/15/2005 5:27:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, surberj@earthlink.net writes: ... guess this means you found him and your questions are answered? Yes I found him. I am convinced though that my grandfather Arnold was misssed in this census. I searched for his parents and found one of his sisters and her family with them, but not grandpa. I'll keep playing around with it. It doesn't really matter, I know all the info that's in the census records and more. Thanks for your kind offer. Jill

From Jim Cottrell: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/cemetery_records/cem_london6.htm Picture of Anna Murphy McGuire's tombstone in London Cemetery

John German was able to identify another of the band members: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/historical_articles/history_music.htm

Treva CALLAHAN Beabout, d 1999 http://www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/obituaries/obit_beabout.htm PATTERSON RICHARDSON ENGLISH

Helen KEATON Thurston, d 2000 http://www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/obituaries/obit_thurston.htm EDWARDS BEAGLE POLLITT DIAL

Ok I'm the idiot here. I asked my Mom if they lived in Sebring then, she said no. Someone suggested searching the surname only. Did that and got about 700 results, then I refined it with his first name and date of birth +/- 5 years. Bingo. His birthdate was wrong in the census. I guess the key is not being too specific since there are errors. I don't have much experience searching 20th century census records since I knew everyone in the family born then or even 30 or 40 years before it began! Dating myself here. The records I've searched were 19th century and didn't have much info like date of birth. My mistake. Maybe someone else can learn from my stupidity too. Jill

In a message dated 6/15/2005 2:48:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, surberj@earthlink.net writes: Well, my dear old granddad sicked the hounds on anybody he didn't want to be bothered with. Especially "guv'm't men" who asked questions he thought were none of their "dambizness." LOL I like him! John Thomas Hendricks Wortman lived in Morristown, Hanover Twp, Shelby Co, in 1920. Whoa, I'm the dumb one here. I think that was when they lived in Sebring FL for a couple of years. Actually I thought it was before that, but that could be the problem. I'll go back and look. The grandfather I can't find was William Rush Arnold. He lived in Carthage in Rush County most likely at the that time. Otherwise it was in Shelby County. Now I did find a William Arnold in Rush County, but it wasn't mine. Mine's wife's name was Grace and his son was Harold. The listing was other names for the husband and children. I've looked for him in the 1930 census also with no luck. Jill

Jill writes: > Ok I'm the idiot here. I asked my Mom if they lived in Sebring then, she > said no. Someone suggested searching the surname only. Did that and got about > 700 results, then I refined it with his first name and date of birth +/- 5 > years. Bingo. His birthdate was wrong in the census. I guess the key is not > being too specific since there are errors. Sooo ... guess this means you found him and your questions are answered? Will not look any more unless you say you are still missing somebody. Glad you found him. Jeanne

Yes, some info is just plain wrong. I did a quick search for my grandfather, Alvin Graham, and found him called Olvin Graham in one place. Also, his birth year (1876) was off by a year. Peggy -----Original Message----- From: Tlkar@aol.com [mailto:Tlkar@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:03 AM To: INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1920 Census free two days Some people just do not appear on the census - any census year. Somehow they just get missed. My Dad and Grandmother were in Bloomington, Ind. and they do not appear on the 1920 census. I have their address so I was able to look by street address and they just are not there. I have 3 families that do not appear on the 1930 census and I know where they lived. I am a volunteer at a National Archives & Records Administration (NARA) branch and every week I try to help people find their ancestors. While I think it is a very small percentage that were missed, some people were just missed. Sometimes information is wrong also, maybe because it was given by a neighbor. Where a person was born is a question that is occasionally wrong as well as the age. Kathy ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== Don't forget to often check-out our website at www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. - Cicero For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net Thanks! Melinda ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Jill writes: > Now I have a question someone might be able to answer. My gr grandfather was born and died in Hanover Twp, Shelby Co, but no matter what possible combination of names I use he is not listed in the 1920 census. I know exactly where he lived. The same is true for my paternal grandfather, although he lived in Rush County for a few years including the year 1920. Even with the advanced search options I get nothing. Wasn't complying with the census mandatory in 1920? How is it possible that they were not included? Thanks for any insights. Jill ===== Jill -- How is it possible? Well, my dear old granddad sicked the hounds on anybody he didn't want to be bothered with. Especially "guv'm't men" who asked questions he thought were none of their "dambizness." Tended to discourage visitors. Of course that was in Arkansas and maybe folks on Indiana were more polite by 1920. What was your g.grandfather's name? Where did he live? I'll be glad to look for him in another couple of sources I have access to. Maybe a new set of eyes could find him? Do you know the names of any of the neighbors (since you say you know where he lived). Did you find him in the 1910 census? or the 1930 census? I've had luck looking for known friends or relatives and finding elusive people nearby on the census, sometimes spelled in an odd way or listed under the name of another family member. Jeanne

Some people just do not appear on the census - any census year. Somehow they just get missed. My Dad and Grandmother were in Bloomington, Ind. and they do not appear on the 1920 census. I have their address so I was able to look by street address and they just are not there. I have 3 families that do not appear on the 1930 census and I know where they lived. I am a volunteer at a National Archives & Records Administration (NARA) branch and every week I try to help people find their ancestors. While I think it is a very small percentage that were missed, some people were just missed. Sometimes information is wrong also, maybe because it was given by a neighbor. Where a person was born is a question that is occasionally wrong as well as the age. Kathy

There are some Ancestry search techniques that may help you find that hard to find ancestor in the census. The Ancestry search supports wildcards plus advanced searches called "exact match" and "ranked search" . If you can't find your ancestor right away, these search techniques should help. To learn how to use wildcards, "ranked search" and "exact match" search techniques plus free access to the 1920 census, see http://www.searchforancestors.com/free1920census.html This should help you get the most from the free 1920 census. Hope this helps, Kathi > I don't know if anyone else has had these problems (on any census reading > not just 1920) but for instance my line of SINEX has been shown as LINEX, > FENIX, SENIX and other variations which lookded really "wierd" but the > way > they thought it was - it depends on who/how they read/deciphered it ~ > just > a thought ~ > Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) >

In case you haven't heard this somewhere else, the 1920 census images are free on Ancestry.com June 15-17. It's one of the few times where you don't have to sign up for a free trial. You have to use the search box on this page though. _http://www.censusfinder.com/1920-census-free.htm_ (http://www.censusfinder.com/1920-census-free.htm) Now I have a question someone might be able to answer. My gr grandfather was born and died in Hanover Twp, Shelby Co, but no matter what possible combination of names I use he is not listed in the 1920 census. I know exactly where he lived. The same is true for my paternal grandfather, although he lived in Rush County for a few years including the year 1920. Even with the advanced search options I get nothing. Wasn't complying with the census mandatory in 1920? How is it possible that they were not included? Thanks for any insights. Jill