Ann MCKINNEY Begley, d 1999 http://www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/obituaries/obit_begley.htm BARNES

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Ok in Jackson TWP, 1870 census, I found James M. Smith, 59, born KY, Farmer Anna E. Smith, 63, born NY, keeping house Allen M, 33, born ??? illegible could be Iowa, Farmer Randolph, 22, born IN, Farmer Anna K, 21, born IN, at home Value of Real Estate 5600 Value of Personal Property 400 There were 9 listings for James Smith, two were James M (I'm recalling this as I've not got the page in front of me), 4 or 5 were born in KY. However, the wife's name was wrong on all of them, things like Nancy, Alma I think, several different names. Anna E was the closest thing to Eliza. Is this the family? Jill

The Ancestry Indexers have in many cases compounded the problem by putting "Iowa" on the Indiana census indexes where the original census page says "IA" . Jim . . James R. Baker, Jr. (jrbakerjr) Free Genealogy Databases http://www.jrbakerjr.com . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen" <waughtel@oz.net> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > Thanks for the "back-up" <smile>. > Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James R. Baker, Jr." <jim@jrbakerjr.com> > To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > > >> IA was the abbreviation for Indiana until Iowa became a state, then many >> census takers continued to use it as they had learned in school.. >> . >> . >> James R. Baker, Jr. (jrbakerjr) >> Free Genealogy Databases >> http://www.jrbakerjr.com >> . >> . >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen" <waughtel@oz.net> >> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please >> >> >> > I'm butting in that I know - - BUT at one time and I do not recall >> > which >> > census it was, whether one or more, but Indiana has been shown as IA > which >> > in all rights indicates it should be Iowa ~ ~ just in case anyone has >> > an >> > IA >> > in between two IN or Ind ~ ~ my 2nd great grandfather was shown as born > IA >> > where in fact they had not left the state of Indiana until moving out > here >> > to Washington in 1904. At that time someone had told me of the mixup >> > of >> > IA >> > for Indiana rather than Iowa. Just more confusion <grin>. But if in >> > doubt, >> > double check. >> > Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <Rosewillis6649@aol.com> >> > To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:50 PM >> > Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please >> > >> > >> >> Thanks Jill how about 1870 for James M. Smith b.Ky 182? I know they > went >> > to >> >> Iowa in 1854 but was back by 1867. Wanda >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== >> >> Don't forget to often check-out our website at >> > www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm >> >> >> >> History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it >> >> illumines >> > reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings >> > us >> > tidings of antiquity. >> >> >> >> - Cicero >> >> >> >> For questions regarding the list, contact me at >> >> mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> Melinda >> >> >> >> ============================== >> >> New! 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IA was the abbreviation for Indiana until Iowa became a state, then many census takers continued to use it as they had learned in school.. . . James R. Baker, Jr. (jrbakerjr) Free Genealogy Databases http://www.jrbakerjr.com . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen" <waughtel@oz.net> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > I'm butting in that I know - - BUT at one time and I do not recall which > census it was, whether one or more, but Indiana has been shown as IA which > in all rights indicates it should be Iowa ~ ~ just in case anyone has an > IA > in between two IN or Ind ~ ~ my 2nd great grandfather was shown as born IA > where in fact they had not left the state of Indiana until moving out here > to Washington in 1904. At that time someone had told me of the mixup of > IA > for Indiana rather than Iowa. Just more confusion <grin>. But if in > doubt, > double check. > Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Rosewillis6649@aol.com> > To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > > >> Thanks Jill how about 1870 for James M. Smith b.Ky 182? I know they went > to >> Iowa in 1854 but was back by 1867. Wanda >> >> >> ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to often check-out our website at > www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm >> >> History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it >> illumines > reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us > tidings of antiquity. >> >> - Cicero >> >> For questions regarding the list, contact me at >> mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net >> >> Thanks! >> Melinda >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > rgetid=5429 >> >> >> > > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to often check-out our website at > www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines > reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us > tidings of antiquity. > > - Cicero > > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > Thanks! > Melinda > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Very interesting maybe this is why I can not find my Kin. Thanks WAnda

Thanks Jill how about 1870 for James M. Smith b.Ky 182? I know they went to Iowa in 1854 but was back by 1867. Wanda

I looked on Heritage Quest, but they don't have the 1850 census. No results for the 1860 census. Jill

I am looking for James M. Smith and his wife Eliza. James was born in Ky 182? and Eliza born in Indiana I appreciate the help Wanda

Don, I appreciate your help. You gave me some names I didn't have. Will do some investigating. Thanks again, Ruth

You are welcome and I do hope you find them. Myself, I hate abbreviations <LOL>. I can remember when the company I was employed by at the time, insisted on certain ways that the P.O. would "allow" mail to go through and I did have to abide by their rules while at work but when at home I do it my way - no abbreviations. Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rosewillis6649@aol.com> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > Very interesting maybe this is why I can not find my Kin. Thanks WAnda > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to often check-out our website at www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. > > - Cicero > > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > Thanks! > Melinda > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Thanks for the "back-up" <smile>. Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) ----- Original Message ----- From: "James R. Baker, Jr." <jim@jrbakerjr.com> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > IA was the abbreviation for Indiana until Iowa became a state, then many > census takers continued to use it as they had learned in school.. > . > . > James R. Baker, Jr. (jrbakerjr) > Free Genealogy Databases > http://www.jrbakerjr.com > . > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen" <waughtel@oz.net> > To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > > > > I'm butting in that I know - - BUT at one time and I do not recall which > > census it was, whether one or more, but Indiana has been shown as IA which > > in all rights indicates it should be Iowa ~ ~ just in case anyone has an > > IA > > in between two IN or Ind ~ ~ my 2nd great grandfather was shown as born IA > > where in fact they had not left the state of Indiana until moving out here > > to Washington in 1904. At that time someone had told me of the mixup of > > IA > > for Indiana rather than Iowa. Just more confusion <grin>. But if in > > doubt, > > double check. > > Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Rosewillis6649@aol.com> > > To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:50 PM > > Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > > > > > >> Thanks Jill how about 1870 for James M. Smith b.Ky 182? I know they went > > to > >> Iowa in 1854 but was back by 1867. Wanda > >> > >> > >> ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > >> Don't forget to often check-out our website at > > www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > >> > >> History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it > >> illumines > > reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us > > tidings of antiquity. > >> > >> - Cicero > >> > >> For questions regarding the list, contact me at > >> mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > >> > >> Thanks! > >> Melinda > >> > >> ============================== > >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your > >> ancestors > > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta > > rgetid=5429 > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to often check-out our website at > > www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines > > reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us > > tidings of antiquity. > > > > - Cicero > > > > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > > > Thanks! > > Melinda > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to often check-out our website at www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. > > - Cicero > > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > Thanks! > Melinda > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

I'm butting in that I know - - BUT at one time and I do not recall which census it was, whether one or more, but Indiana has been shown as IA which in all rights indicates it should be Iowa ~ ~ just in case anyone has an IA in between two IN or Ind ~ ~ my 2nd great grandfather was shown as born IA where in fact they had not left the state of Indiana until moving out here to Washington in 1904. At that time someone had told me of the mixup of IA for Indiana rather than Iowa. Just more confusion <grin>. But if in doubt, double check. Antoinette (Tacoma, Washington) ----- Original Message ----- From: <Rosewillis6649@aol.com> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] 1850 census look up please > Thanks Jill how about 1870 for James M. Smith b.Ky 182? I know they went to > Iowa in 1854 but was back by 1867. Wanda > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to often check-out our website at www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. > > - Cicero > > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > Thanks! > Melinda > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > > >

I have two libraries I can use. I may even have 3 but I have not checked.

Thanks for rechecking that for me. Yes, that 1850 is all I have for Lucinda, and her husband. Also that Percy and Theodore Young. Seth is mine and yes that is him in Rush. Get this, stuff like this makes you tear at your hair sometimes: The Levi Young there changed his name, in 1851, when he got married, to Leven Tull Young! We found an indenture for him under that name [on the Shelby site, now], and his wife stated in his CW pension that Leven was not the name he was born with! This is another twist too. He had moved to AR before the CW, and he went back to IN and joined the army and after the war he went back to AR! So, it has occurred to us that Theodore may have another name he went by too. Have a good weekend everyone. Carleen

It is very likely they all died in the cholera epidemic in 1851. I too checked all of Ancestry and found the other Alfred and Lucinda Stone in succeeding censuses. I checked for Lucy Stone. I find no Percy which may have been a middle name. Your Alfred was born abt. 1792 and your Lucinda about 1804 according to the 1850 Census. His name was spelled "Afoud". I also searched for Levi , Theodore and other Youngs. Seth Young with the correct age is in Rush County in 1860 working as a laborer on someone else's farm. LRC ----- Original Message ----- From: <CCarnivale@aol.com> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] Godfrey > Jim, > I too checked every page in the 1860c for Hanover, and Van Buren twps, but I > did not find my family. They would be Alfred/Alford Stone and Lucinda, his wf. > Lucinda should be in her late 50s, at least. There is another Lucinda Stone > in Shelby, but she is younger than mine. I guess they could have moved to > another county, but I can't find them on Ancestry or HQ, then or later. > Could you look for them in the Godrey index? > Carleen > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to often check-out our website at www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us tidings of antiquity. > > - Cicero > > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > Thanks! > Melinda > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

I would appreciate the family members for Rev. James M. Smith. His wife is Eliza. Thanks Wanda

If your local library has a website, they may have a link to Heritage Quest you can access from home. Mine (Louisville, KY) does. All you need is a current library card and you log in to the library's online sources. It's available 24 hours a day from your home. Sure can't beat that for convenience! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "James R. Baker, Jr." <jim@jrbakerjr.com> To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] Godfrey > They have census pages scanned in like Ancestry. > Here's the site: > http://www.godfreylibrary.org/ > > I think it's the same Heritage Quest you can get at most libraries, but > you can use this one at home (if you've subscribed) > . > . > James R. Baker, Jr. (jrbakerjr) > Free Genealogy Databases > http://www.jrbakerjr.com > . > . > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CCarnivale@aol.com> > To: <INSHELBY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [INSHELBY] Godfrey > > >> How do you get in on HQ? Is it the census they use or from a book? >> Carleen >> >> >> ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== >> Don't forget to often check-out our website at >> www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm >> >> History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it >> illumines reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and >> brings us tidings of antiquity. >> >> - Cicero >> >> For questions regarding the list, contact me at >> mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net >> >> Thanks! >> Melinda >> >> ============================== >> New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your >> ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. >> Learn more: >> http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > > ==== INSHELBY Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to often check-out our website at > www.rootsweb.com/~inshelby/index.htm > > History is the witness that testifies to the passing of time; it illumines > reality, vitalizes memory, provides guidance in daily life and brings us > tidings of antiquity. > > - Cicero > For questions regarding the list, contact me at mmweaver1864@sbcglobal.net > > Thanks! > Melinda > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

My library subscribes to Heritage Quest. I access it at home by putting in my library card and PIN number. Many libraries do subscribe but I don't have any idea how much they pay. I am very grateful we have it. In addition to the census - in which you view the actual census - HQ now also has the Revolutionary War Pensions. You can view the whole pension record. It also has PERSI. My library also subscribes to Ancestry Plus but it can only be viewed at the library and the library has to subscribe for each computer where it is available. If they only pay for one computer, it cannot be viewed on 2 computers at the same time. Both AncestryPlus and Heritage Quest are also available to use at any National Archives Branch. Kathy