I have a set of 9 of the Bishop Spnagenburgh's diaries that were printed in books. (8 are original copies and the 9th is a copy of the original 9th book.) when he took the Moravian's into NC in 1700's. Unfortuneatly there isn't any index to any of them. I did find my 5th granfa listed there as he lived close and helped the Catawba's then. He has a MT. named after him. "Barrett's Mountain " there. Name was Jonathon Barrett. I also have some imfo abt the Chief or King Haigler ( Hagler ) there. Maxine Wilton W Wilton willma@sprynet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:11 AM Subject: [INRANDOL] Dr. Ward > Can anyone tell me for sure if Randolph county's Dr. Ward was really a > Moravian United Brethren missionary or not, as some say he was ? Even > though he did heal the Delaware indians on the White River there, from a > sickness, I can't see the Delawares giving him such a valuable and > sherished tribal item as the Wallum Ollum. I just can't see them, > giving this to anyone at all, that it would be kept within the tribe by > the legend keeper, being that it would have been a sacred object to > them. I do know that many of the Moravian missionaries married native > american women and I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about > maybe Dr. Ward's mother might have been native american ? > > Mike > > > > > > > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Don't count the years,...count the memories. > Contributed By: Austin Cox > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Thank you Maxine for your very interesting information and family history. Was Bishop Spnagenburgh who worked with the Catawbas in NC connected in any way to the Moravian missions on the White River in Randolph, Delaware, Madison and other nearby counties in Indiana, who worked with the Delawares, and other tribes in those mission villages ? I think some of my ancestors were at some of these missions, even back to the ones in Ohio and Pennsylvania including Gnadenhutten. The Moravians kept very detailed diaries and journals of everyday accounts and they also kept records of names of those born there, babtized, who died there, married and many other records. I am hoping to get copies of some of the diaries and journals that the missionaries had that were working at the White River Mission. The Indiana Historical Society has some of them. Below is a list of things I want to get copies of. Luckenbach, Abraham, "Biography of Brother Luckenbach, written by Himself and Left for his Dear Children." [c. 1850] Trans. Harry Emelius Stocker. in Stocker, A History of the Moravian Mission Among the Indians on the White River in Indiana, pp. 131-180, Bethlehem: Times Publishing Co., 1917. (Weslager: "...provide[s] information about Delaware customs, names of chiefs of the three subdivisions, witchcraft, and notes on the social and economic development of the tribe.") Gipson, Lawrence Henry, ed. The Moravian Mission on White River [Indiana]: Diaries and letters, May 5, 1799 to November 12, 1806. Indiana Historical Collections 23. Indianapolis: Indiana Historical Bureau, 1938. *Indiana Historical Society. Walam Olum or Red Score: The Migration Legend of the Lenni Lenape or Delaware Indians--A New Translation, Interpreted by Linguistic, Historical, Archaeological, Ethnological, and Physical Anthropological Studies. Chicago: The Lakeside Press, 1954. Thompson, Charles N. Sons of the Wilderness, John and William Conner. Indiana Historical Society Publications 12, Indianapolis, 1937. Second Edition, Conner Prairie Press: Noblesville, IN, 1988. ISBN 0-9617367-6-3. Available from Amazon.com or by U.S. mail to Amazon.com, P.O. Box 15550, New Castle, DE 19720-5550 for $11.01 plus $3.99 shipping, total $15.00. Credit cards O.K. Timothy Crumrin, Historian for Conner Prairie, in the publication A Living History Museum, had this to say --in part--about the book. "By tracing the experiences of William Conner, his parents, and his brother John and his other siblings in this book, and by learning more of William's Delaware Indian Family, one can see much of the United States' early history unfold. By learning about the Conners, the reader learns about Native American/White interaction, the creation of middle America, and the insistent movement westward into new frontiers--no matter who had to be pushed out, or how." (Weslager: "Despite a misleading title, is an authentic account of the Delawares in Indiana and their role in the War of 1812. Thompson, however, made an error that Ferguson and others perpetuated. He mistakenly identified Mekinges (mother of the Delaware chiefs John and James Conner) as the daughter of Chief William Anderson.") Thornbrough, Gayle, ed. Letter Book of the Indian Agency at Fort Wayne 1809-1815. Indiana Historical Society Publications 21. Indianapolis. 1961. (Weslager comment: "Contains letters about the Delawares written by two United States Indian agents, Benjamin F. Stickney and John Johnston. Johnston supervised the Delawares for many years and was well regarded by the tribe.") *Voegelin, Erminie W. "Culture Parallels to the Delaware Walam Olum." "Proceedings of the Indiana Academy of Science 49:29-31. 1939. (This chapter was expanded into a full chapter entitled "Parallels to the Delaware Walam Olum," and published in 1954 in Walam Olum, or Red Score: The Migration Legend of the Lenni Lenape or Delaware Indians. (Weslager comment: "Introduces evidence... that other eastern tribes preserved the story of their past by pictographs painted on sticks and that there is little reason to doubt the authenticity of the Wala Olum.") *Walam Olum, or Red Score: The Migration Legend of the Lenni Lenape or Delaware Indians. Charles F. Voeglin, trans: Contributions by Eli Lilly, Erminie W. Voegelin, Joe E. Pierce, Glenn A. Black, Georg K. Newmann, 2nd, Paul Weer,. Indianapolis: Indiana Historical Society. 1954. (Weslager comment: "According to the interpretations made..., the Delawares came to Alaska from Asia across the Bering Strait..., and then went south to the Mississippi River. There they engaged in a war with the Taligewi tribe, after which they continued their journey to the East.") Weer, Paul. "Thomas Dean and the Delaware Towns." Proceedings of the Indiana Academy of Science 56:26-32. 1947. (Weslager: "A reliable and extremely valuable description ... of Delaware village locations, customs, and the names of their leaders during the period when the main body occupied Indiana.") ________. The Delaware Indians, A History. New Brunswick: Rutgers University Press, 1972. (Reprinted Feb. 1990 by Rutgers University Press. ISBN: 0813514940.) Available from the Delaware Tribal Gift Shop, 220 N.W. Virginia Avenue, Bartlesville, OK 74003 for $20 plus $4 shipping, total $24. This may not be available currently. (Weslager comments: When White settlers overran Indiana, the United States government moved the Delawares across the Mississippi to new homes in Missouri Territory. Eight years later the government moved them from Missouri to Kansas Territory, and in 1867 the Delawares [except for the Kansas Delaware--Editor] finally migrated to Indian Territory, now Oklahoma. Weslager discusses these movements...and amplifies the details in The Delaware Indian Westward Migration.") The American Historical Review says: "One of the best tribal histories...decades of research...a rich blend of archeology, anthropology, and Indian oral traditions." Barnes and Noble has used paperbacks @$32-40 and used hard covers $65-87 plus shipping, but also new paperbacks @$17.95 plus shipping. On 29 August 2002 Amazon.com offered the December 1990 paperback edition retail $23,00 at $16.10 plus shipping. They also offered the second edition of the original hardback of 1972 for $51.75 plus shipping. *Barlow, William, and David O. Powell. "The Late Dr. Ward of Indiana: Rafinesque's Source of the Walum Olum". Indiana Magazine of History 82 (2):185-193. 1986. *_________. The Walum Olum and Dr. Ward, Again. Indiana Magazine of History 83 (4) 4:344-349. 1987. Dean, John Candee. "Journal of Thomas Dean, a Voyage to Indiana in 1817," Indiana Historical Collections No. 6, pp. 273-345. Indianapolis: Indian Historical Bureau. 1918. (Weslager, "...reliable and extremely valuable descriptions of Delaware village locations, customs, and the names of their leaders during the period when the main body occupied Indiana.") Ferguson, Roger James. The White River Indiana Delawares: An Ethnohistoric Synthesis, 1795-1867. Ed. D. dissertation, Ball State University, Muncie, IN, 1972. (W) *Lilly, Eli. "Tentative Speculations on the Chronology of the Walum Olum and the Migration Route of the Lenape. "Proceedings of the Indiana Academy of Science 54:33 [Check this.-Ed]. 1944. W. Wilton wrote: > I have a set of 9 of the Bishop Spnagenburgh's diaries that were printed >in books. (8 are original copies and the 9th is a copy of the original 9th >book.) when he took the Moravian's into NC in 1700's. Unfortuneatly there >isn't any index to any of them. >I did find my 5th granfa listed there as he lived close and helped the >Catawba's then. He has a MT. named after him. "Barrett's Mountain " >there. Name was Jonathon Barrett. I also have some imfo abt the Chief or >King Haigler ( Hagler ) there. >Maxine Wilton >W Wilton >willma@sprynet.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> >To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 10:11 AM >Subject: [INRANDOL] Dr. Ward > > > > >>Can anyone tell me for sure if Randolph county's Dr. Ward was really a >>Moravian United Brethren missionary or not, as some say he was ? Even >>though he did heal the Delaware indians on the White River there, from a >>sickness, I can't see the Delawares giving him such a valuable and >>sherished tribal item as the Wallum Ollum. I just can't see them, >>giving this to anyone at all, that it would be kept within the tribe by >>the legend keeper, being that it would have been a sacred object to >>them. I do know that many of the Moravian missionaries married native >>american women and I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about >>maybe Dr. Ward's mother might have been native american ? >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== >>Don't count the years,...count the memories. >>Contributed By: Austin Cox >> >>============================== >>Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >>Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> >> > > >==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== >"Love is the only thing that multiplies when you divide it." >Contributed By: Doris L. 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I noticed someone researching Redpath. I belong to another messageboard and these just came to me in an email and I thought you might be interested in them.....Mike http://www.genealogy.com/users/r/e/d/Irene-M-Redpath-1/TREE/0002tree.html http://www.myroots.co.uk/redpath/ > >