Linda et al, Linda, thank you for pointing out my infractions in not cropping enough. I'll try to be more careful when I do look-ups for people on the list. This is about the third complaint made on me this week. The other was for being polite on the list. Apparently that isn't acceptable. Therefore, I'd like apologize to everyone. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: lbhartley To: Shirley Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Muncie cemeteries Yeah, there were about two or three in your reply on the board. Perhaps you did this before she mentioned this. I know I get duplicates of lots of people's posts in this newsletter thingie. Linda

Cathy Wrote > > Gina & all, > > Does anyone know which of the three mentioned cemeteries is the oldest? > > Does one of them have graves as old as 1850? > > > > Cathy Cathy I went by Beech Grove today and grabbed one of their brochures. Beech Grove was Chartered in 1841 with one and one half acres on the banks of White River, it has grown to 100 acres. According to the Delaware County Directory to Cemeteries that the DC Historical Alliance published, Beech Grove also was an old Indian Burial Ground, (Beech Knoll) There were about 4 other small burial plots that were moved to Beech Grove. The book mentions that some graves were found when the city was having sidewalks put in, and those bodies were also moved to Beech Grove. As for research, I was told that their records will not be online. But you can request a look up from the Friends of Beech Grove Cemetery 1400 W. Kilgore Ave. Muncie, Indiana 47305 1-765-741-1352 www.beechgrovecemetery.com They don't charge fees, but would like for people to make donations for services rendered. Gina

Hey, thanks, Karleen. I'd like to add a note to that. Often, an LDS Family History Center, if they know there are others in an area who are interested, will make a copy of a film you order and have it available to others in that area. You might ask about that. There is a center in Muncie. I've not been there yet but I did go to one in Toledo and they were very helpful. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Karleen Phillips To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:20 AM Subject: [INRANDOL] Getting infor from LDS Site There are several ways of getting information from LDS Records:

Thank you, again. -----Original Message----- From: The Richardson's [mailto:richardson69@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 12:11 PM To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Beech Grove Cemetery Cathy Wrote: > Thank you for checking. > I read online that the Delaware Historical Society also has a book > for sale which is entitled: "Beech Grove Cemetery Records Muncie, > Indiana From Office Records and Tombstone Inscriptions" (pub. 1993) I > may check to find the price of that book. > Thanks again for your help. > > Cathy > Cathy, I am one step ahead of you! <G> The book is $25.00 and $2.95 for shipping and handling. Beech Grove had a sign up in the office for the book, but I didn't think to mention it, sorry. Gina ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== GENEALOGY:Where You Confuse The Dead And Irritate The Living! ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Dear Gina, Thank you very much! I have already found a Parker friend I had wondered about! Most of the scanned obits have no dates, but it's better than nothing. Nancy

Gina, Re: Beech Grove Cemetery Thank you for checking. I read online that the Delaware Historical Society also has a book for sale which is entitled: "Beech Grove Cemetery Records Muncie, Indiana From Office Records and Tombstone Inscriptions" (pub. 1993) I may check to find the price of that book. Thanks again for your help. Cathy +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Cathy I went by Beech Grove today and grabbed one of their brochures. Beech Grove was Chartered in 1841 with one and one half acres on the banks of White River, it has grown to 100 acres. According to the Delaware County Directory to Cemeteries that the DC Historical Alliance published, Beech Grove also was an old Indian Burial Ground, (Beech Knoll) There were about 4 other small burial plots that were moved to Beech Grove. The book mentions that some graves were found when the city was having sidewalks put in, and those bodies were also moved to Beech Grove. As for research, I was told that their records will not be online. But you can request a look up from the Friends of Beech Grove Cemetery 1400 W. Kilgore Ave. Muncie, Indiana 47305 1-765-741-1352 www.beechgrovecemetery.com They don't charge fees, but would like for people to make donations for services rendered. Gina ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ====

There are several ways of getting information from LDS Records: 1. www.familysearch.org If you find information on this site--several avenues--Pedigree Resource File, Ancestral File, Library Catalog; IGI (International Genealogical Index), 1880 Index and others I may have missed. 2. Depending on which source you find, you may need to then go to the local LDS Family History Center in your area--generally listed in the yellow pages under the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They sometimes have many holdings in their library. What they do not have, they can generally help you order from the archives in Salt Lake City. Cost for ordering a film is generally $3.25. When the film arrives, it will be available for your viewing at the library for approximately 4 weeks. Again, generally, their staff are knowledgeable and can help you find more sources if available. The only other charge for the library usage is if you make copies of the material you want. I use the word "generally" because of the thousands of LDS THC's in the world, they do vary some. Some ask this question: Will they try to convert me or preach religion to me? The answer is that "No, they should not." Karleen Phillips

Good Girl, Gina!!

> Gina & all, > Does anyone know which of the three mentioned cemeteries is the oldest? > Does one of them have graves as old as 1850? > > Cathy Cathy Beech Grove was listed on the 1874 atlas. I will call tomorrow and ask for the exact date that they were established, and also find out if they are going to have their records online. Gina

Beech Grove is the oldest. There are people interred there that died before the cemetery was open. Their graves were moved from a small cemetery in what became downtown Muncie. Some of my family were those moved to Beech Grove when it opened. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Lampshire, Cathy To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 8:34 PM Subject: RE: [INRANDOL] Muncie cemeteries Gina & all, Does anyone know which of the three mentioned cemeteries is the oldest? Does one of them have graves as old as 1850? Cathy -----Original Message----- From: The Richardson's [mailto:richardson69@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:24 AM To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Are some of the large Muncie cemeteries on line? Linda, The three large cemeteries in Muncie, Beech Grove, Elm Ridge and Gardens of Memory are not online, at least not their records. Beech Grove has a website, and I believe they are eventually going to have some sort of link for research requests. The woman that works in the office at Beech Grove is wonderful, she has always been a great help to me when I have went there. Now Elm Ridge has always given me the run around, I know I have family there and can't find their tombstones. And they are always too busy to help me. I finally had to get rude with them and point out that if I was there to buy a plot they would have time for me, but they don't have time to show me where my great grandfather was buried. The manager said that I was absolutely correct and that it was wrong and he was sorry for the way I was treated. I was given help that day, but I still have a list of family buried there that I have no clue which section they are in. I have been asking for help for almost 2 years now. And still waiting for them to help. <G> I told my children they better not bury me there! <G> So good luck if you ever need to do research there. Gardens Of Memory have always been good at helping find burial plots. But the stones are all flat, so you have to do some walking there to find your markers. Here is the link for Beech Grove http://www.beechgrovecemetery.com/ Gina Richardson INGenWeb Volunteer Coordinator Randolph County IN http://www.rootsweb.com/~inrandol/ ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== Would anyone like to submit a phrase or thought for the day for the tagline, send an Email to Gina Richardson richardson69@comcast.net ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Linda, I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I had some family matters to take care of and a computer to repair. Still working on the computer...tedious. The reason I questioned you is that you made the DC request on the RC list so I needed to be sure you wanted me and not Gina and also needed to know whether I was to look in my DC History book or in my city directory. So, as per below, I think I already checked the DC history book for McChristy and came up with nothing. You might check with Gina now for a look-up for the same in the RC history book. "I suppose I want you to look up Delaware County Hsitory by Himbaugh Volume II for years of 1891-1892 and anything for about 19001-1910 for McChristy." Also, I don't have a city directory for the brief period you need here...I'm missing that one. I did check the next one (1909-1910) and there is no McChristy in it. Since you live in Muncie, you probably know that the genealogy library has a lot of city directories and so you might find something there. Sorry I couldn't be more help and be more prompt. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: lbhartley To: Shirley Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Are some of the large Muncie cemeteries on line? I know they are in Delaware County. I live in Muncie. Linda

Good information, Maxine. There is one other source people should check before giving up...their historical society. You just might get lucky. I was fortunate when I went to Jay Co and found that records from an old mortuary had been turned over to them. I wish all mortuaries, their successors or surviving families would think to do that. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: W. Wilton To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:45 PM Subject: [INRANDOL] Funeral Homes & Cemetery Offices. Sometimes you can contact a Funeral Home. They most likely inherited the old original records of the Mortuary f for the time you are interested in. Also can check newspapers on Film in LDS LIB. and also Death indexes of State if death was after thier reporting date. Many times the caretaker of a cemetery will also help you. Some library's in town or state have draers full of Obit's etc depending on s everal things, as time period , newspaper availability etc./ I went to a funeral home and found my granfa who died in 1955 and they even had some imfo turnd around and mistakes which I was able to leave a correction to w. my name etc attatched to the page. Also if the Cem wasn't walked and checked otherwise and posted. a message to county giving name and all imfo you have will bring you a picture of the stone and the imfo etc you want. There are many great helpers on the net out there in the area that are willing to help. Also there are several BOOKS done about the Randolph County in past yrs that a libe will have or can be ordered by your Home town Library on INTER LIBRARY LOAN for little or no cost. For this you have to have tne Tittle and publisher and place or person who wrote or put the book together. Hope this helps someone. I was in a big lib in my area and they had a Randolph Co Ind book done not too long ago and I found some bio's of my Smithson's, and other surnames in it and was able to copy what I found. I live in Wash. Maxine willma@sprynet.com ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== Don't count the years,...count the memories. Contributed By: Austin Cox ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Gina & all, Does anyone know which of the three mentioned cemeteries is the oldest? Does one of them have graves as old as 1850? Cathy -----Original Message----- From: The Richardson's [mailto:richardson69@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:24 AM To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Are some of the large Muncie cemeteries on line? Linda, The three large cemeteries in Muncie, Beech Grove, Elm Ridge and Gardens of Memory are not online, at least not their records. Beech Grove has a website, and I believe they are eventually going to have some sort of link for research requests. The woman that works in the office at Beech Grove is wonderful, she has always been a great help to me when I have went there. Now Elm Ridge has always given me the run around, I know I have family there and can't find their tombstones. And they are always too busy to help me. I finally had to get rude with them and point out that if I was there to buy a plot they would have time for me, but they don't have time to show me where my great grandfather was buried. The manager said that I was absolutely correct and that it was wrong and he was sorry for the way I was treated. I was given help that day, but I still have a list of family buried there that I have no clue which section they are in. I have been asking for help for almost 2 years now. And still waiting for them to help. <G> I told my children they better not bury me there! <G> So good luck if you ever need to do research there. Gardens Of Memory have always been good at helping find burial plots. But the stones are all flat, so you have to do some walking there to find your markers. Here is the link for Beech Grove http://www.beechgrovecemetery.com/ Gina Richardson INGenWeb Volunteer Coordinator Randolph County IN http://www.rootsweb.com/~inrandol/

Just a little note. Yes, do use the subject line to state all the subjects, but I find that on some L-List mail, that when I delete the mail it will delete the L-List -e-mail Address too, and I have to go back to the rootweb and subscribe again. Not all, just some. But I don't know which does and which doesn't. After a few times of doing this, I decided it was better to open the mail, even if the subject is not of interest. Just a quick note on the delete subject. I meant to leave the orig. mesg for ref. BJ

Hello List, The Randolph county email list has started to pick up, which I believe is a good thing. A dead list is not want any one wants. I want everyone to feel welcome to start discussions or to join a discussion. Not everyone is going to be happy with the way the list is being moderated. No matter how I handle the list there is going to be people that get offended or upset or find something to complain about. That is just the way life is. But if everyone tries to be courteous and patient and follow the guidelines, I believe this list could be one of the best genealogy lists on Rootsweb. Some are new to the rootsweb mailing lists and may not know how to do some of the things I mentioned earlier. If you need help,send me an email, and I will try to walk you through it. I want to clarify a few things, Make sure you have a subject in the subject line, if this is done, those who don't wish to bother reading them won't have to... They can use the delete button. Try to remember to snip your messages, so you don't send the whole message that you are replying to. If you have complaints, send them to me,NOT the list. The entire list does not need to see your complaints. My email address is at the bottom of this message. If this starts happening the list will be too busy pointing fingers at each other, and complaining instead of discussing Genealogy and History. I want everyone to enjoy the list, and to participate in the discussions. I have received complaints that the Randolph list is not very friendly or helpful. And I don't want any of our listers getting that feeling. So in order to keep a happy medium between all the different listers try to keep these things in mind. I think there has been enough said about this matter on the actual list, if you have any comments or suggestions please send them to me. Gina Richardson INGenWeb Volunteer Coordinator Randolph County IN http://www.rootsweb.com/~inrandol/

Here are some guidelines for posting a good message to bring imfo to you . 1 1 st. A .Surname(s) in subject line. ( not Hi, etc.) 2. Also a yr / place / subject like OBIT/ Cem? other . 3... Then in messages' 1... List what it is you are lookinhg for with the then listing of imfo you do have . You may not have all that would fill a family group sheet. In that case best just leave a short blank as ____, and go on with what you do have as following the F G Form. 2... List your subject and imfo abt subject in FAMILY GROUP FORM w/ any dates/ places etc. as " Drumond Smithson date of birth/ place/ date of death/ place/ mar date/ to name, she (he) b then repeat as above with d b( date of Birth) etc." ( he is an ancestor of mine who was in Randolph Co.) This always helps emencely and eliminates extra wording of un needed little words.. Then send to all the sunames, and or state County or other place you want message to be seen all at one time. Check all the E Mail's you list in the TO ,line for correctness before sending to prevent having to resend. Also you can delete any imfo and all the extra as header's when doing a reply message to save the repeat of a older message thus avoid cluttering up the list of former messages with the same messages. Hope this helps many of you and the list. Also hope this imfo is good advice. to many new bee's. I am glad to help anyone I can by E mail if they need some help. Maxine willma@sprynet.com

Sometimes you can contact a Funeral Home. They most likely inherited the old original records of the Mortuary f for the time you are interested in. Also can check newspapers on Film in LDS LIB. and also Death indexes of State if death was after thier reporting date. Many times the caretaker of a cemetery will also help you. Some library's in town or state have draers full of Obit's etc depending on s everal things, as time period , newspaper availability etc./ I went to a funeral home and found my granfa who died in 1955 and they even had some imfo turnd around and mistakes which I was able to leave a correction to w. my name etc attatched to the page. Also if the Cem wasn't walked and checked otherwise and posted. a message to county giving name and all imfo you have will bring you a picture of the stone and the imfo etc you want. There are many great helpers on the net out there in the area that are willing to help. Also there are several BOOKS done about the Randolph County in past yrs that a libe will have or can be ordered by your Home town Library on INTER LIBRARY LOAN for little or no cost. For this you have to have tne Tittle and publisher and place or person who wrote or put the book together. Hope this helps someone. I was in a big lib in my area and they had a Randolph Co Ind book done not too long ago and I found some bio's of my Smithson's, and other surnames in it and was able to copy what I found. I live in Wash. Maxine willma@sprynet.com

BJ, Here is a link for LDS familysearch.org. http://www.familysearch.org/ I have never requested information from the LDS so I don't know how long it takes to get records back. Gina Richardson INGenWeb Volunteer Coordinator Randolph County IN http://www.rootsweb.com/~inrandol/ ----- Original Message ----- From: <LIZASOHMA@aol.com> To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 2:44 PM Subject: [INRANDOL] Need web site address for LDS > Can anyone give me an adress to search the LDS Genealogy records? How hard is > it to get info from this group. > BJ > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > "Love is the only thing that multiplies when you divide it." > Contributed By: Doris L. Wolfe > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

http://www.familysearch.org/ This site is easy to use. I'd warn you, however, that information on this site is like most others. One person can show up many times with different data. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: LIZASOHMA@aol.com To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 1:44 PM Subject: [INRANDOL] Need web site address for LDS Can anyone give me an adress to search the LDS Genealogy records? How hard is it to get info from this group. BJ ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== "Love is the only thing that multiplies when you divide it." Contributed By: Doris L. Wolfe ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

I would like to add to what Gina sent: "From: "The Richardson's" <richardson69@comcast.net> Subject: [INRANDOL] Messages and Unsubscribing Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:06:10 -0500 Hello List, I have had a few complaints and suggestions about the email list and wanted to remind everyone of a few things when sending emails to the list. When you reply to sender, it sends the messages back to the list. Please snip just the portion of the email that pertains to what you are replying to, not the complete email. This is a nice thing to do for all of our digest mode listers, so their emails don't get bogged down with the same thing repeatedly." I get the digest, and quite frankly, it has been practically impossible to identify the new messages. The messages when you reply and include an entire digest are pages and pages long!. I also travel for a living and am not always able to check mail every day. There are times when my mailbox gets filled and messages are returned to sender. Please set your e-mail preferences to NOT include the entire message and include only the relevant material! Thanks so much for your help. _________________________________________________________________ Stay informed on Election 2004 and the race to Super Tuesday. http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx