Shirley; The marriage yr that is incorrect is probably a typo. If you know when first child born untill you get the yr corrected, I would take the year closest to the birth of the first child. Such as; if born 1879 then prob mar 1878. if first b in 1880 then prob 1879. Maxine willma@sprynet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Patterson m. date check > Marriage date for Lucinda B. Patterson to Thomas Cox. > One source reads Aug. 4, 1878 m by Wm. R. Wanis > The other sources reads Aug. 4, 1879 m by William R. Wonis. (pg 9, I believe) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Richardson's > To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 9:00 AM > Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Patterson m. date check > > > What names are you looking for??? > > Gina > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Shirley" <unicorn1945@sbcglobal.net> > To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 10:51 AM > Subject: [INRANDOL] Patterson m. date check > > > > Does anyone have the following resources available to them: > > > > Marriage Records of Randolph County, Indiana, 1858-1882 by Snyder > > And/Or > > Randolph County, Indiana Marriage Records, 1875-79 > > > > A cousin and I have come up with slightly conflicting dates on a marriage > and need to have both these sources checked. If there is a third source, > could someone advise me? > > > > Thanks! > > Shirley > > > > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > > To Forget One's Ancestors Is To Be a Brook Without A Source, A Tree > Without a Root. - Chinese Proverb > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Don't count the years,...count the memories. > Contributed By: Austin Cox > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were? --Sachel Paige > Contributed By: Billy J. Baker > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Thanks James, I appeciate the link. Mike > >

Gina, Thanks again. You have been very helpful and I appreciate it. Mike > >

They were like the I.O.O. F. The Red Men is the oldest organization. I have found that several of my ancestors belonged to the Improved Order of Red Men. I don't have a copy of Tucker's history right now to find info on the different lodges, I am pretty sure there is quite a bit of info on the various groups in his book. Maybe someone else on the list can help with the info on that.<G> Here is a link to the Red Men's website. http://www.redmen.org/ I know that the I.O.O.F. had built buildings before and usually you can still see the letters IOOF at the top of them. I figured that is what Red Man Corner is, a group of building built by the fraternal chapter in Winchester. I could be wrong though <G> Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Does anyone know the answer ? > Thanks Gina, > > So some of the IOOF lodges were the New Order Of The Red Men's lodges or > your saying that the New Order Of The Red Men's lodges were just > something like the IOOF lodges ? > > Mike > > > > > > > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were? --Sachel Paige > Contributed By: Billy J. Baker > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This link may help. http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/fraternalism/red_men.htm -----Original Message----- From: The Richardson's [mailto:richardson69@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 5:53 PM To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Does anyone know the answer ? They were like the I.O.O. F. The Red Men is the oldest organization. I have found that several of my ancestors belonged to the Improved Order of Red Men. I don't have a copy of Tucker's history right now to find info on the different lodges, I am pretty sure there is quite a bit of info on the various groups in his book. Maybe someone else on the list can help with the info on that.<G> Here is a link to the Red Men's website. http://www.redmen.org/ I know that the I.O.O.F. had built buildings before and usually you can still see the letters IOOF at the top of them. I figured that is what Red Man Corner is, a group of building built by the fraternal chapter in Winchester. I could be wrong though <G> Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] Does anyone know the answer ? > Thanks Gina, > > So some of the IOOF lodges were the New Order Of The Red Men's lodges or > your saying that the New Order Of The Red Men's lodges were just > something like the IOOF lodges ? > > Mike > > > > > > > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were? --Sachel Paige > Contributed By: Billy J. Baker > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== How old would you be if you didn't know how old you were? --Sachel Paige Contributed By: Billy J. Baker ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thanks Gina, So some of the IOOF lodges were the New Order Of The Red Men's lodges or your saying that the New Order Of The Red Men's lodges were just something like the IOOF lodges ? Mike > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Brumley, Skillman, Miller Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Bk.2ADE/1088.1 Message Board Post: My gg-grandfather was James Franklin Brumley, 1852-1933 Lived in Winchester. with his wife Clarabelle and his 9 children. I will see what I can find and get back with you. You car reach me direct mljjbart@hotmail.com Marilyn Bartenslager Blissfield, Michigan.

My guess is that the "Red Man's Block" was a building where W.O. Smith's office was located. There was a Red Men's lodge or group in just about every city. I believe they also had several building built. About like the I.O.O F. Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Matherly" <michael@michaelmatherly.com> To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:10 PM Subject: [INRANDOL] Does anyone know the answer ? > Hello list, > > Can anyone tell me what the below mentioned is in reference to. The > part in question I put in quotations. Thanks for any help. > > Sincerely, > > Michael Ross Matherly > > In case said land shall not be sold on the above date, the sale thereof > will be continued from day to day thereafter at private sale at the > office of W. O. Smith, in "Red Man's Block" at the city of Winchester, > Indiana, for a period of sixty days from the date of said offer to sell > at public auction. > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Don't count the years,...count the memories. > Contributed By: Austin Cox > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

Hello list, Can anyone tell me what the below mentioned is in reference to. The part in question I put in quotations. Thanks for any help. Sincerely, Michael Ross Matherly In case said land shall not be sold on the above date, the sale thereof will be continued from day to day thereafter at private sale at the office of W. O. Smith, in "Red Man's Block" at the city of Winchester, Indiana, for a period of sixty days from the date of said offer to sell at public auction.

I am decended from Margaret Manis and Martin Fields. Martin was b. 1799-1801 in NC and Margaret b. 180? TN. M. approx. 1820 lived near Rogersville TN. Moved to Randolph co IN 1832 Had 2 daughters and 6 sons Sister of Margaret was Mary "Polly" m. to John Bough(in) who moved to IN with Margaret 1860 census shows a William Manas living with Mary in Randolph co IN, he was listed as 80+ yrs Another possible sister m. to Willam Fields, son of Jedida Fields.

Hi listers, My mother-in-law did this. She'd kept it in a little notebook that she gave to us a few years before her death. She also had me go make her final arrangements and paid for them prior to her death. I think this was a gift from her and I hope she knew how much I appreciated it. Shirley ----- Original Message ----- From: Billy J. Baker To: INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 12:28 PM Subject: [INRANDOL] Obituary - WAGNER - ZUMBRUM I would like to share with you this unusual Obituary that was written by the deceased.

I would like to share with you this unusual Obituary that was written by the deceased. Perhaps we all could take a lesson here and decide to collect our own history and thoughts for our children. Does anyone know where this good lady was buried? Both her mother and father were buried at the Union City, IN Cemetery. Billy Union City Times-Gazette, Friday, July 28, 1939 Obiturary --- Editor's note: The following was written by the deceased, Mrs. Cora Wagner, and found by members of the family following her death Tuesday morning. The last paragraph and poem were added by Rev. D. G. Berkebile. Cora Viola Zumbrum, oldest daughter of Henry and Rachel Benson Zumbrum, was born on January 25, 1867, one mile east of Union City, Ind., on what at that time was the John Zumbrum farm. At the age of three years I moved to Union City where I attended the West Side school but did not finish the eighth grade. I then began working to make my own way. I lived in or near Union City all my life with the exception of 18 months when I lived near Pennsville, Ind., with my maternal grandparents and uncle's family. I was baptized into the Church of the Brethren by Elder Joseph Longnecker on February 25, 1886. I was married to Alonzo Hershal Wagner, son of Daniel and Catherine Baker Wagner. Four sons were born to this union. I have tried to live a Christian life, but have made all too many failures. Hope the rest of you will always keep the Lord's work above all else. I don't know what any of us will have to go through with yet, but above all don't let Satan deprive you of your crown. I was thrice annointed and received much benefit each time, both spiritually and physically. I was at one time healed of a very serious illness through the prayers of God's people. This might help some poor discouraged one to trust more fully in the Good Lord. --- Cora Wagner Sister Wagner passed away Tuesday morning at the age of 72 years, five months and two days. She leaves to mourn her going, her four sons, Earl, Guy, Ray and Alva; two sisters, Mrs. Oak Boyer, of Union City, and Mrs. Finley Bolen, of Anderson; one brother, Harvey Zumbrum, of Union City; nine grandchildren and many other relatives and friends. "Could we but see beyond the veil That hides our loved ones from our sight, How many doubts would be removed, How much that's dark would then be light. But mortal eyes can never pierce The cloud that hides them from our view, We only trust that God's free grace Will guide us in the way that's true."

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Bk.2ADE/1527.1.2 Message Board Post: I have access to this book at my local library. Let me know the names you are working on and I'll see what I can find. cjohnson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Bk.2ADE/1517.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks so much! Please email me at: Randolphugrr@yahoo.com Thanks,Carey

http://www.flamuseums.org/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Bk.2ADE/1517.1 Message Board Post: I was raised by my great grandmother who was a Sulteen. I believe Edward was her brother. I will look into it futher. i will let you know what i find

Paul; If you know where they lived do thos. Go on nat'l ph directory. www.realwhitepages.com and or www.realyellowpages.com put in Museums in form and a county or state. See what comes up. Then try for a E mail site for the Museum on Google or other search place. E mail them and ask them. Try places close to where they lived or Museum in the county where they lived first. Maxine willma@sprynet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <radiojok27@aol.com> To: <INRANDOL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:46 AM Subject: [INRANDOL] Great Grandma Winchester > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Bk.2ADE/1547 > > Message Board Post: > > Hello, > > I'm looking to the museum in Florida which contains the bones of "Grandma Winchester" or any information on her. She was a white woman that was married to a Cherokee(?) Shaman/Holy man and "took over" his practice when he was killed. I know her bones are in a museum in Florida I'm just not sure which one. > I am a direct descendant of "Grandma Winchester." I have asked relatives but they too can't remember which museum she is on display. > Any information would be a great help in to mapping my family tree. > Thanks, > Paul Whitlow Jr > > > > > > > ==== INRANDOL Mailing List ==== > Would anyone like to submit a phrase or thought for the day for the tagline, send an Email to Gina Richardson richardson69@comcast.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/Bk.2ADE/1547 Message Board Post: Hello, I'm looking to the museum in Florida which contains the bones of "Grandma Winchester" or any information on her. She was a white woman that was married to a Cherokee(?) Shaman/Holy man and "took over" his practice when he was killed. I know her bones are in a museum in Florida I'm just not sure which one. I am a direct descendant of "Grandma Winchester." I have asked relatives but they too can't remember which museum she is on display. Any information would be a great help in to mapping my family tree. Thanks, Paul Whitlow Jr

This was e-mailed to me............. We all need to know about this kind of Genealogy info too. HR3261 has been amended somewhat while in committee. Here is the current wording of interest to us as genealogists. If you wish to make your voice heard on the legislation find your legislator on this listing http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html /SEC. 4. PERMITTED ACTS./ / (a) INDEPENDENTLY GENERATED OR GATHERED INFORMATION- This Act shall not restrict any person from--/ / (1) independently generating or gathering information obtained by means other than extracting it from a database generated, gathered, or maintained by another person; and/ / (2) making that information available in commerce./ / (b) ACTS OF MAKING AVAILABLE IN COMMERCE BY NONPROFIT SCIENTIFIC OR RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS- Subject to section 9, the making available in commerce of a substantial part of a database by a nonprofit scientific or research institution, including an employee or agent of such institution acting within the scope of such employment or agency, for nonprofit scientific or research purposes shall not be prohibited by section 3 if the court determines that the making available in commerce of the information in the database is reasonable under the circumstances, taking into consideration the customary practices associated with such uses of such database by nonprofit scientific or research institutions and other factors that the court determines relevant./ / (c) HYPERLINKING- Nothing in this Act shall restrict the act of hyperlinking of one online location to another or the providing of a reference or pointer (including such reference or pointer in a directory or index) to a database./ / (d) NEWS REPORTING- Nothing in this Act shall restrict any person from making available in commerce information for the primary purpose of news reporting, including news and sports gathering, dissemination, and comment, unless the information is time sensitive and has been gathered by a news reporting entity, and making available in commerce the information is part of a consistent pattern engaged in for the purpose of direct competition. /

HR3261 has been amended somewhat while in committee. Here is the current wording of interest to us as genealogists. If you wish to make your voice heard on the legislation find your legislator on this listing http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.html /SEC. 4. PERMITTED ACTS./ / (a) INDEPENDENTLY GENERATED OR GATHERED INFORMATION- This Act shall not restrict any person from--/ / (1) independently generating or gathering information obtained by means other than extracting it from a database generated, gathered, or maintained by another person; and/ / (2) making that information available in commerce./ / (b) ACTS OF MAKING AVAILABLE IN COMMERCE BY NONPROFIT SCIENTIFIC OR RESEARCH INSTITUTIONS- Subject to section 9, the making available in commerce of a substantial part of a database by a nonprofit scientific or research institution, including an employee or agent of such institution acting within the scope of such employment or agency, for nonprofit scientific or research purposes shall not be prohibited by section 3 if the court determines that the making available in commerce of the information in the database is reasonable under the circumstances, taking into consideration the customary practices associated with such uses of such database by nonprofit scientific or research institutions and other factors that the court determines relevant./ / (c) HYPERLINKING- Nothing in this Act shall restrict the act of hyperlinking of one online location to another or the providing of a reference or pointer (including such reference or pointer in a directory or index) to a database./ / (d) NEWS REPORTING- Nothing in this Act shall restrict any person from making available in commerce information for the primary purpose of news reporting, including news and sports gathering, dissemination, and comment, unless the information is time sensitive and has been gathered by a news reporting entity, and making available in commerce the information is part of a consistent pattern engaged in for the purpose of direct competition. /