Andrea, thanks for the Wickersham picture. It printed off great. Helen Sheldon [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bsck724 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.randolph/682.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: On Ancestry I found a marriage for George BYER in Randolph Co. Name: George Byers Spouse Name: Joannah McCristy Marriage Date: 18 Feb 1858 Marriage County: Randolph Performed By: JP Jacob Eltzroth Source Title 1: Randolph County, Indiana Source Title 2: Marriage Records 1852-1858 Source Title 3: Copied by Alice Lake Ketron Winchester, Indiana OS Page: 7 Hope this helps. Brenda Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Cecil331 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.randolph/682.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You are correct about the children. I did not realize that there was an older one Mary. But I have no information other than what I have found out thus far. If I am not mistaken, everyone moved to Ohio except for Frank and William they came to Arkansas. I appreciate any help you have, but the information you gave me just now was correct as far as what I have gotten. Thank you so much. You may email me at [email protected] if you would like to discuss this more. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Andrea, I enlarged all the new entries and couldn't find the Wickersham one. Do you have any idea which it is? thanks. Helen Sheldon [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AndreaSharpLong Surnames: Byers. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.randolph/682.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I find George 48 and Joanna 39 and kids John R 21, Charles 19, Newton 17, Sarah E. 15, William 12, Frank 10, Rebeccas J. 8, George 6, Edith 3, Edward 3, Albert A. 6 months in 1880 in Gillam Township, Jasper County, Indiana. Parents born in OH kids in IN. Jasper County is near the IL line, I65 goes through it, north of Lafayette, south of Gary. In 1870 same place but post office is listed (Franersville or Frairersville) another daugther is listed older than John R(10) at age 12 Mary F., Charles 8, Newton 7, Sarah E. 5, Willie 4, your Frank is listed as age 2 months, so makes his birthday in June, 1870. Parents born OH, kids born IN. 1860, they are here in White River Township, Randolph County, IN. Post Office, Winchester. Mary (2) says she was born in OH, and John R.(1) was born in OH. candidate for him in 1850 census District No. 104, Staunton Township, Miami County, OH, Merandes? (could be Alexander hard to read)Byers age 37 and Sophronia? age 38, Charlotte 14, George 13, William 4, Louisa 2, Lavina 4 months. Question that can be answered next week, did George and Joanna marry here in Randolph County, IN. I will look at the indexes and cross reference with the marriage books at the clerks office. Did George/Joanna pass away in IN or in AR? All of this is a guess, since you did not give any dates. Andrea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

June 8th and 9th are just around the corner! The agenda for GenFest 2007 is amazing and I'm as excited as anyone about attending. Once again, I will simply forward Rhonda's update and link so you can finalize your plans for the most exciting GenFest event yet. Check out the latest additions! http://www.marion.lib.in.us/genfest/genfest07.htm See you at GenFest!! Shirley & Mike Pearson GenFest Coordinators [email protected] >From Rhonda: The days are flying by, its almost time to meet all of you in Marion and get busy on some family research. It is shaping up to be a fun and exciting couple of days at the Marion Public Library. Be sure to keep checking the website for updates and additions. Our vendor list is set right now, we are almost full of vendors and organizations to tempt you with their resources. The shuttle buses are scheduled to take you to the cemeteries, and the wonderful list of door prizes continues to grow. Don't forget the Company Singer's performance on Friday night, it is sure to be wonderful. Let me know if you have any questions we can help with. I will be emailing soon a list of tips to help you get your research jumpstarted when you arrive. So many resources, so little time! See you in June! Rhonda Stoffer Head of Indiana History and Genealogy Services Marion Public Library -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM

MJB, was that when it was in the basement of the courthouse, or in the office on Main Street, which I can see that with both of those places, they never had a place for anyone to come behind the desk to work on genealogy. I think there is lots more room at the new office at the old Hospital on Oak Street. Still, that doesn't mean co-operation. Facinating what Tony has provided us with. Andrea

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Cecil331 Surnames: Byers Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.randolph/682.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a George W Byers and Joanna Byers that were born in Ohio, but had all of their children in Indiana. I am not sure what part of either state. I do know that George and Joanna had 11 children. All but 2 moved back to Ohio I think. The names of their children were John R., Charles, Newton, Sarah, William, Frank, Rebecca J., George, Edith, Edward, and Albert J. I know that William and Frank came to Arkansas. Frank is my great great grandfather. If any of these names ring a bell, please let me know, as I am running into brick walls when it comes to the Byers side. Thank You, Jamie Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

That's not a valid exception because the agency must make accommodations to comply with the law. Here is part of the statute dealing with access to records. The full statue can be found at http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title5/ar14/ch3.html Tony Meeks IC 5-14-3-3 Right to inspect and copy public agency records; electronic data storage; use of information for commercial purposes; contracts Sec. 3. (a) Any person may inspect and copy the public records of any public agency during the regular business hours of the agency, except as provided in section 4 of this chapter. A request for inspection or copying must: (1) identify with reasonable particularity the record being requested; and (2) be, at the discretion of the agency, in writing on or in a form provided by the agency. No request may be denied because the person making the request refuses to state the purpose of the request, unless such condition is required by other applicable statute. (b) A public agency may not deny or interfere with the exercise of the right stated in subsection (a). The public agency shall either: (1) provide the requested copies to the person making the request; or (2) allow the person to make copies: (A) on the agency's equipment; or (B) on the person's own equipment. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M J B" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:12 PM Subject: [INRANDOL] Access to death records in winchester > When I asked to see some of the earliest ones, they told me"We don't have > any place for you to look at the books" > > That one is a bit hard to get around! > Was looking for Matilda Bailey--still have found no death record or burial > for her. > > MJ > > _________________________________________________________________ > Catch suspicious messages before you open them-with Windows Live Hotmail. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 > > > ******************************** > Please Visit The Randolph County INGenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inrandol/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I asked to see some of the earliest ones, they told me"We don't have any place for you to look at the books" That one is a bit hard to get around! Was looking for Matilda Bailey--still have found no death record or burial for her. MJ _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open them—with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AndreaSharpLong Surnames: Temple, North, Mangas, Pate, Wickersham, Waddell, Pratt, Sheffer, McClain, Warren, Coblentz, Jessup, Noffsinger, Shockney, Smiley, Mann, Wolf, Swallow, Kemp, Birum, Buckmaster, Hindsley, Hoke?, Sutton, Bennett, Cline, Crawford, Hindsley, Coby Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.indiana.counties.randolph/3285/mb.ashx Message Board Post: http://new.photos.yahoo.com/sharplongancestors/album I just uploaded some new pictures from New Lisbon Church (they added a new steeple to the church) and the old sections of the current cemetery (Soldiers mostly). I was looking for a stone in perticular, and walked about 12 sections which would be slightly more than half the burials there, and took pictures of soldiers stones as I came across them. Surnames added to this album are. . . Temple, North, Mangas, Pate, Wickersham, Waddell, Pratt, Sheffer, McClain, Warren, Coblentz, Jessup, Noffsinger, Shockney, Smiley, Mann, Wolf, Swallow, Kemp, Birum, Buckmaster, Hindsley, Hoke?, Sutton, Bennett, Cline, Crawford, Hindsley, Coby Andrea Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

If the statue says the records are open then the local government agency has no legal right to deny you access to them. Since you are having troubling accessing the records I would contact the Public Access Counselor about the situation. The whole purpose of the office is to provide information and help regarding access to government records and meetings. Their website can be found at http://www.in.gov/pac/ They can provide informal responses to questions. Also there is a formal complaint process. Tony Meeks ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Richardson's" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] John Chandler Death Record > <G> > > If they let you see the actual books I will be very amazed! > > Birth and Death records are a precious commodity in Randolph County. They > guard them well, and say it is for protection against identity theft. > Which > that is just a cop out in my book, (just my opinion - I am just a little > bit > frustrated with the whole situation, if you can't tell) the State Health > Dept told me that as long as the records are over 75 years old there is no > problem with having access. They said it is hard to try and pass yourself > off as a 70 year old and that most identity theft victims are younger. If > the State Health Dept doesn't see a problem then why does the county???? > > Anyways, I contacted the State Health Dept a few years ago about making an > index for the website. They told me their index only contained the name of > the deceased, the county and year. I am thinking they said it doesn't have > a > complete date??? > > They recommended that I use the County books to make an index because they > contained more information, which as most of you know by now, I was denied > access. :( > > > Gina > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rex Bertram" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:14 AM > Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] John Chandler Death Record > > > > I don't think the health Dept. in Winchester will let you see the books. > > You may be better off sending off to the State Health Dept. in > Indianapolis > > for a copy. > > > > Rex > > > ******************************** > Please Visit The Randolph County INGenWeb Project > http://www.rootsweb.com/~inrandol/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

They are just a protective of the health dept records in Huntington IN. Andrea

<G> If they let you see the actual books I will be very amazed! Birth and Death records are a precious commodity in Randolph County. They guard them well, and say it is for protection against identity theft. Which that is just a cop out in my book, (just my opinion - I am just a little bit frustrated with the whole situation, if you can't tell) the State Health Dept told me that as long as the records are over 75 years old there is no problem with having access. They said it is hard to try and pass yourself off as a 70 year old and that most identity theft victims are younger. If the State Health Dept doesn't see a problem then why does the county???? Anyways, I contacted the State Health Dept a few years ago about making an index for the website. They told me their index only contained the name of the deceased, the county and year. I am thinking they said it doesn't have a complete date??? They recommended that I use the County books to make an index because they contained more information, which as most of you know by now, I was denied access. :( Gina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rex Bertram" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] John Chandler Death Record > I don't think the health Dept. in Winchester will let you see the books. > You may be better off sending off to the State Health Dept. in Indianapolis > for a copy. > > Rex

Hi Sandi, I still have the information you sent me about the death record, I just haven't had time to update the page yet. But I will get it done. I don't have as much time to do updates like I used to, since I went back to work full time. It drives me crazy! <G> I plan on changing the source information so that researchers will know they are transcribed from a copy of a transcript, and may contain errors, it does state that on the main page of the website not to accept anything as FACT until you have checked it out yourself. I figured there were errors in the records, but still thought they may prove helpful to researchers, just like the WPA Indexes. I made a copy of the transcripts to help decipher some of the old tombstones as I was working on the burial index. I decided to go ahead and put some of them online. Do I have the right cemetery for John? I know there is a John Chandler buried in Union Cemetery. If it is the same John have you ordered his Pension file to see if it has more information about his family? Have you checked into the Henry Chandler family that is listed in Jackson Township, on the 1840 census? He had several sons, one would have been the right age for John. There is also a Joseph Chandler listed in the household as being 87 yrs old and a Rev. War Veteran. I believe Henry was in Kentucky on the 1830 census. Gina > We emailed about this some time ago and I believe you copied these records > from some records at the Muncie Library. I would like to get this record > set straight somewhere officially (and this is as near to official as I > know) or get it removed from the internet. Andrew Chandler and Sarah M. > Mullin are NOT John Chandler's parents. When I checked with the Clerk and > Recorders Office in Randolph County, they said there were no parents listed > for John on his death record. Evidently, this was a transcription error and > someone missed a page in between John's record and the next death record. I > believe this is probably a death record of a Clevenger who was the child of > Andrew Clevenger and Sarah M. Mullin. In doing some further research, I > found that Sarah Mullin was married to Andrew Clevenger, not an Andrew > Chandler. I am in Colorado, not Indiana, or I would go to the Clerk's > Office to see if the next record is indeed Andrew Clevenger and Sarah > Mullin's child, but in any case, the Clerk and Recorder's Office says there > are no parents listed for John Chandler. > > Thanks for your help in getting this straightened out! And thanks for all > the rest of your hard work in making this one of the best USgenweb county > websites there is! > > Sandie Chandler Goeglein > > P.S. By the way, I'm still searching for who John Chandler's parents really > were!!! John was married to Elizabeth Ellen Thornburg in 1847, born > approximately 1822 whereabouts unknown-North Carolina or Kentucky probably; > died May 23, 1892, Randolph County, Indiana.

I don't think the health Dept. in Winchester will let you see the books. You may be better off sending off to the State Health Dept. in Indianapolis for a copy. Rex -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of R&S Goeglein Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 3:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [INRANDOL] John Chandler Death Record You're right, Andrea, I misspoke. It was the Health Department I called. We get those papers from the County Clerk and Recorder here and I forgot it's different there. Rex, I was thinking I'd need to look at the actual book to make sure the next record was Clevenger and a page was skipped. The Health Department did send me a handwritten info sheet of John Chandler's death record years ago and it showed no parents for John, which was why I decided to check with them again after I saw the posting with his parents on it. I certainly wish it was correct but am pretty certain it's wrong. I got excited right away and sent out inquiries about Sarah Mullin and got a message back from Rita Elkin and she was talking about her ancestors, Andrew Clevenger and Sarah Mullin, and that's when I figured out what might have happened regarding the transcription. Thanks for your advice! Sandie Chandler Goeglein ******************************** Please Visit The Randolph County INGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~inrandol/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.1/822 - Release Date: 5/28/2007 11:40 AM

Instead of sending for a transcript, maybe try for a death certificate. It will cost you $6 for it(might call to verify that it is still $6), but it will be certifide. I have the form on line to get it. http://www.pceaze.com/genealogy/rcibios/Tools.html just copy it to a word doc or print it out as it is, fill it out and send it in. I don't know but maybe you can also request a photo copy of the death certificate. That is a neat thing in OH, at the State Library you can get the first 50 years or so of Ohio Death Certicates copied from Microfilm for 25 cents. But to get a certified copy from the state or county level is at least $20 a piece. Andrea

http://www.indystar.com/includes/publicus/evergreen/military/deaths/ The Indianpolis Star put this slide show together. Andrea

You're right, Andrea, I misspoke. It was the Health Department I called. We get those papers from the County Clerk and Recorder here and I forgot it's different there. Rex, I was thinking I'd need to look at the actual book to make sure the next record was Clevenger and a page was skipped. The Health Department did send me a handwritten info sheet of John Chandler's death record years ago and it showed no parents for John, which was why I decided to check with them again after I saw the posting with his parents on it. I certainly wish it was correct but am pretty certain it's wrong. I got excited right away and sent out inquiries about Sarah Mullin and got a message back from Rita Elkin and she was talking about her ancestors, Andrew Clevenger and Sarah Mullin, and that's when I figured out what might have happened regarding the transcription. Thanks for your advice! Sandie Chandler Goeglein

If there is any trouble getting those records from the county health department, I believe they are also available from the State Health Dept., in Indianapolis. Rex W. Bertram 132 S. Butler St. Redkey, IN 47373 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of andrealong Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 5:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INRANDOL] John Chandler Death Record Did you contact the county clerk's office for this death record or did you contact the county health dept? County Health Dept has birth and death records from 1882 to present. County Clerk's office has marriage records & applications, probate records, wills, civil court matters, superior court matters, divorce records. Andrea ******************************** Please Visit The Randolph County INGenWeb Project http://www.rootsweb.com/~inrandol/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 5/27/2007 3:05 PM