It is my understanding that the gravestones in cemeteries are PERSONAL property, not the property of the cemetery operators/owners. WHO authorized this "repair" of your family member's stone? That would be my first question. The second question will be do they have insurance and, if not, how are they going to pay for repairing the damage they authorized to be done??? Everywhere I've gone in CA that they have someone in charge, they have always required that we have the permission of descendant family in order to repair stones. Maybe it's time for INPCRP to being to mail out info sheets to the Boy Scout Council's in the counties where the scouts work in cemeteries. There's enough published info out there that you could even ask the local libraries to place in their reference libraries. Maybe someone will find it and learn before they do... Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: [INPCRP] screaming > I just recieved an e-mail from a relative that a tombstone of our ancestor was found newly set in concrete in Bethel Cemetery, Wayne Twsp.(?), Hamilton Co. Does anyone know how long it takes the concrete to set. Could the stone still be removed without harming it if the concrete is still wet tomorrow? > > With the Boy Scout thing, the condition of Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Jackson Twsp. and now this I am NOT happy with what is going on in Hamilton Co.I'm ready to go on the warpath with cemetery education. > Theresa > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

Sue, I am trying to find out who is responsible for the cemetery and for setting the stone in concrete. It may have been another misguided relative who did it, with, or without permission. The stone is well over a 100 yrs old & if the concrete is set it's too late. I will contact the township trustee & the Co. cemetery commission Monday morning. I have been talking about the need for pamphlets for trustees, cemetery associations , Boy Scout Councils, schools, libraries,ect. We have to find a way to do this. Educating the general public about what not to do is as important as doing workshops.I am going ahead with my INPCRP business card idea. Theresa Sue Silver <[email protected]> wrote: It is my understanding that the gravestones in cemeteries are PERSONAL property, not the property of the cemetery operators/owners. WHO authorized this "repair" of your family member's stone? That would be my first question. The second question will be do they have insurance and, if not, how are they going to pay for repairing the damage they authorized to be done??? Everywhere I've gone in CA that they have someone in charge, they have always required that we have the permission of descendant family in order to repair stones. Maybe it's time for INPCRP to being to mail out info sheets to the Boy Scout Council's in the counties where the scouts work in cemeteries. There's enough published info out there that you could even ask the local libraries to place in their reference libraries. Maybe someone will find it and learn before they do... Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: [INPCRP] screaming > I just recieved an e-mail from a relative that a tombstone of our ancestor was found newly set in concrete in Bethel Cemetery, Wayne Twsp.(?), Hamilton Co. Does anyone know how long it takes the concrete to set. Could the stone still be removed without harming it if the concrete is still wet tomorrow? > > With the Boy Scout thing, the condition of Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Jackson Twsp. and now this I am NOT happy with what is going on in Hamilton Co.I'm ready to go on the warpath with cemetery education. > Theresa > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!

Theresa: I also have noticed stones set in cement in many of the Tipton County cemeteries that we have been in. I wonder what type of guidance the Trustees have on making repairs or if they are on their own to do this? We also have had to take the cement off carefully and re-set many of the stones that were toppled along with their cement addition. Keep up the good work. Joan Wray Tipton County ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] screaming Sue, I am trying to find out who is responsible for the cemetery and for setting the stone in concrete. It may have been another misguided relative who did it, with, or without permission. The stone is well over a 100 yrs old & if the concrete is set it's too late. I will contact the township trustee & the Co. cemetery commission Monday morning. I have been talking about the need for pamphlets for trustees, cemetery associations , Boy Scout Councils, schools, libraries,ect. We have to find a way to do this. Educating the general public about what not to do is as important as doing workshops.I am going ahead with my INPCRP business card idea. Theresa Sue Silver <[email protected]> wrote: It is my understanding that the gravestones in cemeteries are PERSONAL property, not the property of the cemetery operators/owners. WHO authorized this "repair" of your family member's stone? That would be my first question. The second question will be do they have insurance and, if not, how are they going to pay for repairing the damage they authorized to be done??? Everywhere I've gone in CA that they have someone in charge, they have always required that we have the permission of descendant family in order to repair stones. Maybe it's time for INPCRP to being to mail out info sheets to the Boy Scout Council's in the counties where the scouts work in cemeteries. There's enough published info out there that you could even ask the local libraries to place in their reference libraries. Maybe someone will find it and learn before they do... Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: [INPCRP] screaming > I just recieved an e-mail from a relative that a tombstone of our ancestor was found newly set in concrete in Bethel Cemetery, Wayne Twsp.(?), Hamilton Co. Does anyone know how long it takes the concrete to set. Could the stone still be removed without harming it if the concrete is still wet tomorrow? > > With the Boy Scout thing, the condition of Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Jackson Twsp. and now this I am NOT happy with what is going on in Hamilton Co.I'm ready to go on the warpath with cemetery education. > Theresa > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > http://www.inpcrp.org

I went up to Bethel Cemetery ( highway 38 east of Noblesville) this morning. The concrete had been poured awhile ago, and is hard. It was a very messy job. I didn't know if this was done by the person recently cutting brush there or not. I heard back from my distant cousin tonight . He thinks it was done about 3 weeks ago. I think the church in the center of the cemetery was originally Methodist or Brethren. It now houses the Fellowship Baptist Church. They were having services this morning, so I couldn't talk to anyone. I will contact the Hamilton Co. Cemetery Commission to see who actually owns the property. (The imi gravel pit directly behind the church & cemetery has some sort of construction project going on. There is another cemetery to the west just outside their entrance.) If the church is responsible for the work in the cemetery, it may be time for an educational road show. Unfortunately. I will be out of town all week, but I will find out what is going on. Thanks everyone for your support, advice, and shared indignation. Theresa Joan Wray <[email protected]> wrote: Theresa: I also have noticed stones set in cement in many of the Tipton County cemeteries that we have been in. I wonder what type of guidance the Trustees have on making repairs or if they are on their own to do this? We also have had to take the cement off carefully and re-set many of the stones that were toppled along with their cement addition. Keep up the good work. Joan Wray Tipton County ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] screaming Sue, I am trying to find out who is responsible for the cemetery and for setting the stone in concrete. It may have been another misguided relative who did it, with, or without permission. The stone is well over a 100 yrs old & if the concrete is set it's too late. I will contact the township trustee & the Co. cemetery commission Monday morning. I have been talking about the need for pamphlets for trustees, cemetery associations , Boy Scout Councils, schools, libraries,ect. We have to find a way to do this. Educating the general public about what not to do is as important as doing workshops.I am going ahead with my INPCRP business card idea. Theresa Sue Silver wrote: It is my understanding that the gravestones in cemeteries are PERSONAL property, not the property of the cemetery operators/owners. WHO authorized this "repair" of your family member's stone? That would be my first question. The second question will be do they have insurance and, if not, how are they going to pay for repairing the damage they authorized to be done??? Everywhere I've gone in CA that they have someone in charge, they have always required that we have the permission of descendant family in order to repair stones. Maybe it's time for INPCRP to being to mail out info sheets to the Boy Scout Council's in the counties where the scouts work in cemeteries. There's enough published info out there that you could even ask the local libraries to place in their reference libraries. Maybe someone will find it and learn before they do... Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Berghoff" To: Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: [INPCRP] screaming > I just recieved an e-mail from a relative that a tombstone of our ancestor was found newly set in concrete in Bethel Cemetery, Wayne Twsp.(?), Hamilton Co. Does anyone know how long it takes the concrete to set. Could the stone still be removed without harming it if the concrete is still wet tomorrow? > > With the Boy Scout thing, the condition of Mt. Pleasant Cemetery in Jackson Twsp. and now this I am NOT happy with what is going on in Hamilton Co.I'm ready to go on the warpath with cemetery education. > Theresa > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > http://www.inpcrp.org ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== INPCRP State Coordinator: Brad Manzenberger < [email protected] > http://www.inpcrp.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today!