In a message dated 10/9/2004 9:16:32 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > It is my understanding that the gravestones in cemeteries are PERSONAL > property, not the property of the cemetery operators/owners. WHO authorized > this "repair" of your family member's stone? One must be careful with this issue, because if they did have permission from the cemetery board or trustee, then they went through the same proper channels that this group advocates and it would be counterproductive to be critical of that. If it was another relative, then they probably have as much right to as any other relative and just need to be informed of their improper method. Please don't think I'm defending them in any way, but I don't think it's fair for this group to be critical until we know more about the situation, which I'm sure Theresa will keep us posted on. Kyle

So if the stones remain personal property of the family do we have to get permission from the trustees, or owner to repair a family headstone? Does this only apply to direct ancestors or do third cousins seven times removed count? Brad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] screaming In a message dated 10/9/2004 9:16:32 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > It is my understanding that the gravestones in cemeteries are PERSONAL > property, not the property of the cemetery operators/owners. WHO authorized > this "repair" of your family member's stone? One must be careful with this issue, because if they did have permission from the cemetery board or trustee, then they went through the same proper channels that this group advocates and it would be counterproductive to be critical of that. If it was another relative, then they probably have as much right to as any other relative and just need to be informed of their improper method. Please don't think I'm defending them in any way, but I don't think it's fair for this group to be critical until we know more about the situation, which I'm sure Theresa will keep us posted on. Kyle ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: "Show me the manner in which a nation or community cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical exactness the tender mercies of its people, their respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty to high ideals."

I may have misspoken on the matter of ownership of the gravestones. My experience is, of course, in California and under California law. In California, if the stones or other cemetery ornamentation become a public health hazard, then the operators may remove them from the cemetery or arrange "repair" (which generally results in their being laid flat in CONCRETE...). Indiana law may be different. Sue Silver ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Manzenberger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:33 AM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] screaming > So if the stones remain personal property of the family do we have to get > permission from the trustees, or owner to repair a family headstone? Does > this only apply to direct ancestors or do third cousins seven times removed > count? > > Brad > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:40 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] screaming > > > In a message dated 10/9/2004 9:16:32 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > It is my understanding that the gravestones in cemeteries are PERSONAL > > property, not the property of the cemetery operators/owners. WHO > authorized > > this "repair" of your family member's stone? > > One must be careful with this issue, because if they did have permission > from > the cemetery board or trustee, then they went through the same proper > channels that this group advocates and it would be counterproductive to be > critical > of that. If it was another relative, then they probably have as much right > to > as any other relative and just need to be informed of their improper method. > Please don't think I'm defending them in any way, but I don't think it's > fair > for this group to be critical until we know more about the situation, which > I'm sure Theresa will keep us posted on. > > Kyle > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of > England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org > >

Brad: We did a family cemetery back in August. It was very overgrown and had groundhog holes. We went to the family that owns the cemetery and got permission to clear and repair the cemetery. It had 14 stones and 14 footstones, one of which was a Civil War veteran. When we finished, I mailed them a listing and placement of all the stones there and a cover letter telling them we were finished. This was the Turner Cemetery. Joan Wray Tipton County ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Manzenberger" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 8:33 AM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] screaming So if the stones remain personal property of the family do we have to get permission from the trustees, or owner to repair a family headstone? Does this only apply to direct ancestors or do third cousins seven times removed count? Brad -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 6:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [INPCRP] screaming In a message dated 10/9/2004 9:16:32 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > It is my understanding that the gravestones in cemeteries are PERSONAL > property, not the property of the cemetery operators/owners. WHO authorized > this "repair" of your family member's stone? One must be careful with this issue, because if they did have permission from the cemetery board or trustee, then they went through the same proper channels that this group advocates and it would be counterproductive to be critical of that. If it was another relative, then they probably have as much right to as any other relative and just need to be informed of their improper method. Please don't think I'm defending them in any way, but I don't think it's fair for this group to be critical until we know more about the situation, which I'm sure Theresa will keep us posted on. Kyle ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: "Show me the manner in which a nation or community cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical exactness the tender mercies of its people, their respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty to high ideals." ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Visit the INPCRP on the web at http://www.inpcrp.org