I understand, what I meant previously was there are no corresponding #s on our maps, just an icon. So you don't know who's who if a stone is missing. I'll take a look when I'm down there this week at the library, but I am not familiar with the GR2 record. We do not have it here, unless its in hiding. Only the Graves Registration Form 2. But, I still wonder if this is different than the NARA microfilm of Government Stones for Veterans in Ft. Wayne which supposedly lists name of cemetery, contractor, where shipped, etc. Thanks for the info. Jon >From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley@sigecom.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:47:44 -0500 > >Jon, > >Actually, there are several numbers on the form GR2 record, "Cemetery >Record of Deceased Veterans". On the left side is the number that >corresponds to the Veteran number. The next column is the Veteran's name, >then grave number, lot number, block number, section number, and >remarks. Not all cemeteries have all the columns filled in. Many have >grave number, and the "block no." column has "row" typed in. Some have >"AR." typed in the column headings, I have not yet figured out what the AR. >stands for. > >In previous posts we talked about the width and depth of the grids, which >are numbered as rows and graves. On many of these, grave 1 row 1 is in the >Northwest corner of the cemetery. Many of the smaller cemeteries only >have the grave number column and the row number column filled in. The >remarks column is filled in with what war the Veteran was in. Some are >filled in with only "--------." which I am assuming means they could not >determine what war the Veteran was in, or perhaps he served between >wars. Some of these government markers list only name and unit, somtimes >impossible to determine year(s) of service. WWI is noted only as "World." > >The cards are "Graves Registration Form 1 - The American Legion." They >contain lines for Name, Serial No., Home Address, Born, Where, Died, >Cemetery, County, Grave No., Lot, Blk., Row, Sec., War, Rank, Outfit, >Enlisted, Discharged, and Remarks. I have not seen any with all this >information filled in. > >Ernie > > >At 10:06 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>We must not have a direct list because we have no numbers. >>Jon >> >>>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley@sigecom.net> >>>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:55:51 -0500 >>> >>>Re: Cards, numbers & symbols. >>> >>>A plus sign or cross repersents a government upright marker. >>>A square represents a government flat marker. >>>A circle represents a private marker. >>>An I represents no marker.On the plat is a symbol, a dash, and a >>>number. The number represents the number of the Veteran on the list for >>>that cemetery. >>>0 - 8 on the plat would indicate that a private marker marks the grave of >>>the 8th Veteran on the list. >>> >>>Ernie >>> >>>At 08:35 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>Mark, >>>>I do not know of a WPA listing, except that they marked the maps with an >>>>X >>>>or different symbol for a veteran's grave, denoting either private or >>>>government stone. >>>>We have a set of 3" x 5" file cards done during this time, 1939-40, by I >>>>presume the American Legion. It has always been a mystery as to or >>>>whether >>>>these cards actually go with the plats or were done seperately. As to >>>>how >>>>complete it is, I would say at least 95%. The other mystery is that the >>>>one and only one file drawer is marked "drawer 1". Does that mean there >>>>might be a second drawer? Or a third? These cards have now been >>>>alphabetized and copied in a two volume set, three cards to the page. >>>>The NARA now has microfilm rolls of cards of veteran's stones. Are these >>>>the same thing? I don't think so, because they supposedly list the >>>>contractor who made the stone, etc. They are available in Ft. Wayne. I >>>>have not viewed them, yet. >>>>Jon Andrews >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> >>>>>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>>>Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:22:01 -0500 >>>>> >>>>>Jon, >>>>> >>>>>Did the WPA do a complete listing of the veterans buried in Knox county >>>>>in >>>>>the late 30's or early 40's when they did the plot maps? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Mark Davis >>>>>Hartford City,IN >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> >>>>>To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:54 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On our Knox County maps we have both grids and what appears to be >>>>>plots >>>>>with >>>>> > sidewalks (walkways). None of them are completely accurate, nor are >>>>>they >>>>>all >>>>> > done by the same man. Some are definitely better than others. There >>>>>is an >>>>> > article in the local newspaper, about 1940, which talks about the >>>>>surveys >>>>> > done and that the men got $5.00 for each recorded cemetery. I assume >>>>>that >>>>> > was decent money for the time and the fact that they only did the >>>>>ones >>>>>easy >>>>> > to get to and that some men had to be replaced because of there >>>>>inability >>>>>to >>>>> > stay out of the tavern. So, maybe blurred vision explains why they >>>>>were >>>>>just >>>>> > a little bit off in their measurements. We also have a few which are >>>>>from >>>>> > adjoining counties mixed in and a few we can't even find. >>>>> > Jon Andrews >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >From: KidClerk@aol.com >>>>> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>> > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>> > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>>> > >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:42:44 EDT >>>>> > > >>>>> > >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is >>>>>one of >>>>> > >the >>>>> > >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, >>>>>for >>>>> > >whatever >>>>> > >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years >>>>>ago or >>>>> > >more. >>>>> > > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for >>>>>one >>>>> > >grave, >>>>> > >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records >>>>>indicating >>>>> > >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does >>>>>make >>>>> > >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less >>>>>grave >>>>>space >>>>> > >was required. >>>>> > > >>>>> > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some of >>>>>the >>>>> > >grids >>>>> > >are "lots" and not single graves. >>>>> > > >>>>> > >-Kyle D. Conrad >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>> > >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>>>>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of >>>>> > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>> > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >>>>>have." >>>>> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >>>> >>>> >>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>>>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>Please do not send queries through this list. >>> >>> >>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? >> >> >> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >>have." >> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >> > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

Jon, The icon on the map should be followed by a dash and a number, like 0-1 or I-1 or (plus)-2 and so on. When you find the GR 2 it will give you the Veteran's name. Ernie At 11:05 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >I understand, what I meant previously was there are no corresponding #s on >our maps, just an icon. So you don't know who's who if a stone is missing. >I'll take a look when I'm down there this week at the library, but I am >not familiar with the GR2 record. We do not have it here, unless its in >hiding. Only the Graves Registration Form 2. But, I still wonder if this >is different than the NARA microfilm of Government Stones for Veterans in >Ft. Wayne which supposedly lists name of cemetery, contractor, where >shipped, etc. > >Thanks for the info. >Jon > >>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley@sigecom.net> >>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:47:44 -0500 >> >>Jon, >> >>Actually, there are several numbers on the form GR2 record, "Cemetery >>Record of Deceased Veterans". On the left side is the number that >>corresponds to the Veteran number. The next column is the Veteran's name, >>then grave number, lot number, block number, section number, and >>remarks. Not all cemeteries have all the columns filled in. Many have >>grave number, and the "block no." column has "row" typed in. Some have >>"AR." typed in the column headings, I have not yet figured out what the AR. >>stands for. >> >>In previous posts we talked about the width and depth of the grids, which >>are numbered as rows and graves. On many of these, grave 1 row 1 is in the >>Northwest corner of the cemetery. Many of the smaller cemeteries only >>have the grave number column and the row number column filled in. The >>remarks column is filled in with what war the Veteran was in. Some are >>filled in with only "--------." which I am assuming means they could not >>determine what war the Veteran was in, or perhaps he served between >>wars. Some of these government markers list only name and unit, somtimes >>impossible to determine year(s) of service. WWI is noted only as "World." >> >>The cards are "Graves Registration Form 1 - The American Legion." They >>contain lines for Name, Serial No., Home Address, Born, Where, Died, >>Cemetery, County, Grave No., Lot, Blk., Row, Sec., War, Rank, Outfit, >>Enlisted, Discharged, and Remarks. I have not seen any with all this >>information filled in. >> >>Ernie >> >> >>At 10:06 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>We must not have a direct list because we have no numbers. >>>Jon >>> >>>>From: Ernie & Connie Lasley <elasley@sigecom.net> >>>>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>>Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 19:55:51 -0500 >>>> >>>>Re: Cards, numbers & symbols. >>>> >>>>A plus sign or cross repersents a government upright marker. >>>>A square represents a government flat marker. >>>>A circle represents a private marker. >>>>An I represents no marker.On the plat is a symbol, a dash, and a >>>>number. The number represents the number of the Veteran on the list for >>>>that cemetery. >>>>0 - 8 on the plat would indicate that a private marker marks the grave of >>>>the 8th Veteran on the list. >>>> >>>>Ernie >>>> >>>>At 08:35 PM 04/08/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>>>>Mark, >>>>>I do not know of a WPA listing, except that they marked the maps with an X >>>>>or different symbol for a veteran's grave, denoting either private or >>>>>government stone. >>>>>We have a set of 3" x 5" file cards done during this time, 1939-40, by I >>>>>presume the American Legion. It has always been a mystery as to or whether >>>>>these cards actually go with the plats or were done seperately. As to how >>>>>complete it is, I would say at least 95%. The other mystery is that the >>>>>one and only one file drawer is marked "drawer 1". Does that mean there >>>>>might be a second drawer? Or a third? These cards have now been >>>>>alphabetized and copied in a two volume set, three cards to the page. >>>>>The NARA now has microfilm rolls of cards of veteran's stones. Are these >>>>>the same thing? I don't think so, because they supposedly list the >>>>>contractor who made the stone, etc. They are available in Ft. Wayne. I >>>>>have not viewed them, yet. >>>>>Jon Andrews >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>From: "mark davis" <md9105@skyenet.net> >>>>>>Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>>To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>>>>Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 18:22:01 -0500 >>>>>> >>>>>>Jon, >>>>>> >>>>>>Did the WPA do a complete listing of the veterans buried in Knox >>>>>>county in >>>>>>the late 30's or early 40's when they did the plot maps? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Mark Davis >>>>>>Hartford City,IN >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> >>>>>>To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 5:54 PM >>>>>>Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > On our Knox County maps we have both grids and what appears to be >>>>>> plots >>>>>>with >>>>>> > sidewalks (walkways). None of them are completely accurate, nor >>>>>> are they >>>>>>all >>>>>> > done by the same man. Some are definitely better than others. There >>>>>>is an >>>>>> > article in the local newspaper, about 1940, which talks about the >>>>>>surveys >>>>>> > done and that the men got $5.00 for each recorded cemetery. I assume >>>>>>that >>>>>> > was decent money for the time and the fact that they only did the ones >>>>>>easy >>>>>> > to get to and that some men had to be replaced because of there >>>>>>inability >>>>>>to >>>>>> > stay out of the tavern. So, maybe blurred vision explains why they >>>>>> were >>>>>>just >>>>>> > a little bit off in their measurements. We also have a few which are >>>>>>from >>>>>> > adjoining counties mixed in and a few we can't even find. >>>>>> > Jon Andrews >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >From: KidClerk@aol.com >>>>>> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>> > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >>>>>> > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] WPA Cemetery plats >>>>>> > >Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:42:44 EDT >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >I don't know if I can help here, especially since Newton County is >>>>>>one of >>>>>> > >the >>>>>> > >counties that the WPA did NOT do cemetery records for. However, for >>>>>> > >whatever >>>>>> > >it's worth, burial lots today are larger than they were 50 years >>>>>> ago or >>>>>> > >more. >>>>>> > > While we sell lots in increments of five running feet today for one >>>>>> > >grave, >>>>>> > >(30 running feet being a full lot of six graves) we have records >>>>>>indicating >>>>>> > >graves that were sold in increments of two and three feet. It does >>>>>>make >>>>>> > >sense since prior to the 1930's vaults were not in use and less grave >>>>>>space >>>>>> > >was required. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >Not that it matters, but something to keep in mind. Maybe some >>>>>> of the >>>>>> > >grids >>>>>> > >are "lots" and not single graves. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >-Kyle D. Conrad >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>>> > >Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > _________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>>>>>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>>> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of >>>>>> > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com >>>>>> > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>>>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you >>>>>>have." >>>>>> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>>>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>>>>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>>Please do not send queries through this list. >>>> >>>> >>>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>>If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >>>http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >>> >>> >>>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." >>> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >> >> >>==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >>"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." >> Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >"Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) >