Oh, I forgot to tell you that the biggest reason for not working these people is that they have families to support and need real jobs that pay money. Darn, so do I. You are right, Jack. If you have to babysit them, you might as well do it yourself. And then somebody is liable to call foul. And Sue, as far as our Sheriff, he's not ashamed to take his right up on top of the table. Where everyone sees it. Clips over $125,000.00 a year after he gets done skimming the prisoner's meal money. We have a dozen people running for Sheriff this year. Wonder why? Jon >From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:00:18 -0800 > >Jon, > >Our state Department of Forestry has inmate crews available from the inmate >firefighters. We asked for a crew at the cemetery where I am sexton and >they were perfectly willing to help but we did have to provide a >porta-potty. It cost us $52.00 and we had 15 men for seven full days. It >was the best $52.00 we ever spent! > >Sounds to me like your sheriff probably gets something under the table to >assist him in deciding which projects to undertake with the inmate crew. > >We have sheriff's "Work Release" inmates where they go into the Sheriff's >dept. and then they are taken to the place of their assignment. Our county >inmate crews are strictly from that source. The inmates housed in the jail >are not released for project work at all. It is a separate program for the >low risk convicted persons. Ability to serve on a work release program is >approved by the judge and the sheriff. > >A specific program like this might benefit the county's and if the state >could be convinced to provide start up funding, the inmates who work on our >work release program actually have to pay to be on it! > >Seems to me we just have to keep trying until we find something that will >work. > >Sue Silver >CA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:28 PM >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 > > > > Let me tell you how far this will go in Knox County. Four years ago a >judge > > ordered in a settlement agreement between the County Cemetery Commission >and > > the County Commissioners, etal the use of work release to help clean > > cemeteries. To date, there has been no such help. The sheriff's office, >who > > oversees the program refuses to help. Their excuse is we would have to >bus > > them out there at 8:00, give them lunch, bus them back and with there > > required breaks and all along with the fact that we cannot provide the > > inmate a public restroom facility, they would probably not accomplish >much. > > Also, nobody wants these people on their property, so let's not rock the > > boat. So, have at it elsewhere but we've tried it with no success. >Unless, > > the public who votes wants their streets cleaned or Christmas lights put >up, > > forget the help of work release. I frankly think we could tie them to a > > headstone like a goat and let them graze out there in the hot sun. And >as > > far as restroom facilities, we generally use a tree. > > Jon Andrews > > > > > > >From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> > > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 > > >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:33:44 -0500 > > > > > >I've been searching through the legislation introduced this week in the > > >current session of the Indiana General Assembly for something >addressing > > >our > > >concerns about the portability of pioneer cemeteries. Haven't found > > >anything yet, but the following bill caught my eye: > > > > > >House Bill 1189 > > > > > >Introduced by Representative Sturtz > > > > > >Status: 1/10/2002 -- First reading: referred to Committee on Judiciary > > > > > >SUMMARY: > > > > > >County inmate work crews. Allows a county sheriff to establish an >inmate > > >work program. Specifies inmate eligibility requirements and requires > > >inmates > > >to dress in distinctive county jail uniforms while performing work on > > >crews. > > >Allows a sheriff to require a crew to perform any work the sheriff > > >determines to be appropriate and of benefit to the community except for > > >public work (as defined in the public works projects law). > > >==================================== > > > > > >See http://www.state.in.us/serv/lsa_billinfo for additional info on HB > > >1189. > > > > > >We've had GREAT success with the use of inmate labor crews provided to >us > > >by > > >Clark Co. Sheriff Mike Becher. Perhaps a statute such as this is what >is > > >needed to encourage other Sheriffs to follow suite. > > > > > >This bill is now before the House Judiciary Committee. The members of >that > > >committee are: > > > > > >Chair: Representative Sturtz > > >Vice Chair: Representative Tincher > > >Members: Bardon; C. Brown; Cochran; Dvorak; Frenz; Kuzman. Foley, >R.M.M.; > > >Dumezich; Munson; Steele; Torr; Ulmer. > > > > > >in case you want to contact any of them to express your support for >this > > >bill. See http://www.IN.gov/legislative/legislators/ for contact > > >information. > > > > > >Lois > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, >IA > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of >England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

I heard that the Marion Co. Sheriff position gets about $1 million a year. This is actually far less than what he/she should get compared to other counties. Most other counties the Sheriff gets a percentage of all the late property tax payments. Well, the Marion Co. percentage was capped at $300K I heard. Most of the money comes from contracts with SBC to be the single provider for collect calls from the jail and meals. On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, jon andrews wrote: > Oh, I forgot to tell you that the biggest reason for not working these > people is that they have families to support and need real jobs that pay > money. Darn, so do I. You are right, Jack. If you have to babysit them, you > might as well do it yourself. And then somebody is liable to call foul. And > Sue, as far as our Sheriff, he's not ashamed to take his right up on top of > the table. Where everyone sees it. Clips over $125,000.00 a year after he > gets done skimming the prisoner's meal money. We have a dozen people running > for Sheriff this year. Wonder why? > Jon > > >From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 > >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:00:18 -0800 > > > >Jon, > > > >Our state Department of Forestry has inmate crews available from the inmate > >firefighters. We asked for a crew at the cemetery where I am sexton and > >they were perfectly willing to help but we did have to provide a > >porta-potty. It cost us $52.00 and we had 15 men for seven full days. It > >was the best $52.00 we ever spent! > > > >Sounds to me like your sheriff probably gets something under the table to > >assist him in deciding which projects to undertake with the inmate crew. > > > >We have sheriff's "Work Release" inmates where they go into the Sheriff's > >dept. and then they are taken to the place of their assignment. Our county > >inmate crews are strictly from that source. The inmates housed in the jail > >are not released for project work at all. It is a separate program for the > >low risk convicted persons. Ability to serve on a work release program is > >approved by the judge and the sheriff. > > > >A specific program like this might benefit the county's and if the state > >could be convinced to provide start up funding, the inmates who work on our > >work release program actually have to pay to be on it! > > > >Seems to me we just have to keep trying until we find something that will > >work. > > > >Sue Silver > >CA > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "jon andrews" <sianoil@hotmail.com> > >To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 2:28 PM > >Subject: Re: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 > > > > > > > Let me tell you how far this will go in Knox County. Four years ago a > >judge > > > ordered in a settlement agreement between the County Cemetery Commission > >and > > > the County Commissioners, etal the use of work release to help clean > > > cemeteries. To date, there has been no such help. The sheriff's office, > >who > > > oversees the program refuses to help. Their excuse is we would have to > >bus > > > them out there at 8:00, give them lunch, bus them back and with there > > > required breaks and all along with the fact that we cannot provide the > > > inmate a public restroom facility, they would probably not accomplish > >much. > > > Also, nobody wants these people on their property, so let's not rock the > > > boat. So, have at it elsewhere but we've tried it with no success. > >Unless, > > > the public who votes wants their streets cleaned or Christmas lights put > >up, > > > forget the help of work release. I frankly think we could tie them to a > > > headstone like a goat and let them graze out there in the hot sun. And > >as > > > far as restroom facilities, we generally use a tree. > > > Jon Andrews > > > > > > > > > >From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> > > > >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: [INPCRP] House Bill 1189 > > > >Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:33:44 -0500 > > > > > > > >I've been searching through the legislation introduced this week in the > > > >current session of the Indiana General Assembly for something > >addressing > > > >our > > > >concerns about the portability of pioneer cemeteries. Haven't found > > > >anything yet, but the following bill caught my eye: > > > > > > > >House Bill 1189 > > > > > > > >Introduced by Representative Sturtz > > > > > > > >Status: 1/10/2002 -- First reading: referred to Committee on Judiciary > > > > > > > >SUMMARY: > > > > > > > >County inmate work crews. Allows a county sheriff to establish an > >inmate > > > >work program. Specifies inmate eligibility requirements and requires > > > >inmates > > > >to dress in distinctive county jail uniforms while performing work on > > > >crews. > > > >Allows a sheriff to require a crew to perform any work the sheriff > > > >determines to be appropriate and of benefit to the community except for > > > >public work (as defined in the public works projects law). > > > >==================================== > > > > > > > >See http://www.state.in.us/serv/lsa_billinfo for additional info on HB > > > >1189. > > > > > > > >We've had GREAT success with the use of inmate labor crews provided to > >us > > > >by > > > >Clark Co. Sheriff Mike Becher. Perhaps a statute such as this is what > >is > > > >needed to encourage other Sheriffs to follow suite. > > > > > > > >This bill is now before the House Judiciary Committee. The members of > >that > > > >committee are: > > > > > > > >Chair: Representative Sturtz > > > >Vice Chair: Representative Tincher > > > >Members: Bardon; C. Brown; Cochran; Dvorak; Frenz; Kuzman. Foley, > >R.M.M.; > > > >Dumezich; Munson; Steele; Torr; Ulmer. > > > > > > > >in case you want to contact any of them to express your support for > >this > > > >bill. See http://www.IN.gov/legislative/legislators/ for contact > > > >information. > > > > > > > >Lois > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > >If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > > > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > > > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > > > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > > > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > > > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > > > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > > > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > > > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > > > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > > > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > > > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > > > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > > > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, > >IA > > > > > > > > > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of > >England > >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > > to high ideals." > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >