Rich, Do you want to share with everyone where we might purchase one of these probes?Sheila Rich Green <rgreen@insightbb.com> wrote: The probes designed with a ball tip are designed slightly larger in diameter at the business end creating an enlarged pathway for the shaft of the probe. The only resistance to insertion is the ball tip itself. A probe like this is very easy to push through even the hardest ground because there is no friction along the long axis of the probe. Obviously, the ball tip is less likely to damage material it comes in contact with, both because it requires less force to insert and because it is a smooth spherical surface rather than a sharp pointed one. Rich Green Historic Archaeological Research 4338 Hadley Court West Lafayette, IN 47906 Office: (765) 464-8735 Mobile: (765) 427-4082 www.har-indy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackbriles@aol.com To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] probing with steel rod Scot I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but I use a pointed probe, (The part of the state I live in you have to) but if I ever pushed hard enough to chip or crack a piece of buried tombstone rather than push slowly and gently, not knowing how deep it is, I believe I should quit probing altogether. Jack E Briles Sr Floyd Co. In. _jackbriles@aol.com_ (mailto:jackbriles@aol.com) ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.

The probes designed with a ball tip are designed slightly larger in diameter at the business end creating an enlarged pathway for the shaft of the probe. The only resistance to insertion is the ball tip itself. A probe like this is very easy to push through even the hardest ground because there is no friction along the long axis of the probe. Obviously, the ball tip is less likely to damage material it comes in contact with, both because it requires less force to insert and because it is a smooth spherical surface rather than a sharp pointed one. Rich Green Historic Archaeological Research 4338 Hadley Court West Lafayette, IN 47906 Office: (765) 464-8735 Mobile: (765) 427-4082 www.har-indy.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jackbriles@aol.com To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] probing with steel rod Scot I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but I use a pointed probe, (The part of the state I live in you have to) but if I ever pushed hard enough to chip or crack a piece of buried tombstone rather than push slowly and gently, not knowing how deep it is, I believe I should quit probing altogether. Jack E Briles Sr Floyd Co. In. _jackbriles@aol.com_ (mailto:jackbriles@aol.com) ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version)

Scot I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but I use a pointed probe, (The part of the state I live in you have to) but if I ever pushed hard enough to chip or crack a piece of buried tombstone rather than push slowly and gently, not knowing how deep it is, I believe I should quit probing altogether. Jack E Briles Sr Floyd Co. In. _jackbriles@aol.com_ (mailto:jackbriles@aol.com)

Scot, I have a 1/4 inch ball bearing on the tip of mine. It goes into the ground pretty smoothly without much pressure so you don't hit the stone hard enough to damage it. At least I've not damaged any stones yet. Where you have to be really careful is if or when you decide to bring the stone back up. Brian Smead Terre Haute, Indiana -----Original Message----- From: scotstout@aol.com [mailto:scotstout@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:07 PM To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INPCRP] probing with steel rod i have a question about using a steel rod for probing for buried tombstones... doesn't using steel run the risk of damaging the buried stone? i'm concerned that it could break the stone, or chip off a small part and damage the engraved text. wouldn't it be better to use a wooden or stiff plastic rod? scot ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free. ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project only. Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are a better venue. Thank you.

i have a question about using a steel rod for probing for buried tombstones... doesn't using steel run the risk of damaging the buried stone? i'm concerned that it could break the stone, or chip off a small part and damage the engraved text. wouldn't it be better to use a wooden or stiff plastic rod? scot ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

Hi Scott, There is a number of links on the main webpage. This one is called; How to be a INPCRP Volunteer http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrphelpwanted.html Also look The Restoration Process One step at a time http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html & this one too. http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/restorationprocess.html I was thinking of re-working these three into one. Of course I'm always open to suggestions too. I think after you have worked in a few, you'll see all sites are are all different, but the rest is about the same. Step by step you locate, fix or rebuild and put everything back in the correct place. Some one should start by locating records too. Checking all the libraries around you. Fort Wayne and Indianapolis too. On those workdays, stop now and then and take photos of the volunteers working. It will help you sort all this out later. I always start with a complete photo session first. You will come back to this over and over again. Learn that digital camera. Its worth it. Rich shared a method with me this spring. Start somewhere on the site, NW corner, etc. Photograph from all corners and you can't go wrong. Try to do this on each site you visit and soon it will become an old habit. Enjoy, L.A. Tippecanoe County pioneer cemetery projects. http://www.rootsweb.com/~intcpcrg/Index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <ScotStout@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: [INPCRP] how to begin? > the county in which i live does not have the financial resources to clean > a > particular cemetery which is overgrown. however, the county is likely to > give > permission to local people sometime this next week. i'm prepared to help > with > the physical labor as well as education. > > my question is, what is the best way to begin the actual grunt work once > we're all assembled at the cemetery? i have not found any information > regarding > this in books or online. since the vegetation to be removed is mostly > waist-high grass and a few shrubs and saplings, it's not going to be a > massive job. > but since weed-eaters can damage the stones, and mowers are out of the > question > since the grass is high enough to hide the smaller stones, just how do we > proceed? > > the cemetery in question is mica cemetery, and photos and information can > be > found at: > http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/spokane/mica1/mica.htm > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname > and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com are > a better venue. > Thank you. > >

----- Vandals have hit the Old Zanesville Cemetery,Wells County, Indiana overnight Saturday, July 15th...I went to investigate the situation and found 46 stones tipped over with about 15 of them broken. These were stones from two foot tall to 8-10 foot tall and the huge wide stones were pushed off their bases. I will have pictures tomorrow to show you the damage. I didn't record the damaged ones, but when I can go back up I will make a list of them and post it on here. (I received the call Sunday evening and had a house full of company so didn't feel I could do it then.) If the vandals can be found the caretaker will prosecute to the fullest and he wants the vandals to have to help re-set and pay for any expenses incurred by the destruction. If the vandals are not found the caretaker is asking for volunteers to help re-set the stones. Or cash donations to help pay for the damages done to the broken stones. I will keep you posted. Connie Brubaker

helen, thank you so much! that was exactly the information i needed. i'll keep you informed of our progress. scot

Organization is a must in a job like this. After everyone gets there, have everyone pair up with a partner, and assign them a specific area to clear, otherwise everyone is running around getting nothing done, and partnes help keep each other going. I would suggest flagging the stones first so they are visible so no one will fall over them. If the stones are marked, weed eating the rest of the grass should be OK as long as you instruct them to not get close to the stones. I would suggest clippers to be used near the stones. Have all the shrubs cleared, then use something on the roots to kill them off. I think working from one end to the other is the best process, and have a designated area to throw the shrub and sapplings to they are not just laying where they fall. Instruct everyone that they are not to move the stones, and be cautious of snakes and other critters under and around the stones. Good luck in the process, bring lots of drinking water and bug spray, and sun screen. Helen Wildermuth > the county in which i live does not have the financial resources to > clean a particular cemetery which is overgrown. however, the county is > likely to give permission to local people sometime this next week. i'm > prepared to help with the physical labor as well as education. > > my question is, what is the best way to begin the actual grunt work once > we're all assembled at the cemetery? i have not found any information > regarding this in books or online. since the vegetation to be removed > is mostly waist-high grass and a few shrubs and saplings, it's not > going to be a massive job. but since weed-eaters can damage the > stones, and mowers are out of the question since the grass is high > enough to hide the smaller stones, just how do we proceed? > > the cemetery in question is mica cemetery, and photos and information > can be found at: > http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/spokane/mica1/mica.htm > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. > Please do not send genealogical queries through this list. The surname > and geographic Mailing Lists on Rootsweb at http://lists.rootsweb.com > are a better venue. Thank you.

the county in which i live does not have the financial resources to clean a particular cemetery which is overgrown. however, the county is likely to give permission to local people sometime this next week. i'm prepared to help with the physical labor as well as education. my question is, what is the best way to begin the actual grunt work once we're all assembled at the cemetery? i have not found any information regarding this in books or online. since the vegetation to be removed is mostly waist-high grass and a few shrubs and saplings, it's not going to be a massive job. but since weed-eaters can damage the stones, and mowers are out of the question since the grass is high enough to hide the smaller stones, just how do we proceed? the cemetery in question is mica cemetery, and photos and information can be found at: http://www.interment.net/data/us/wa/spokane/mica1/mica.htm

> The older maps are certainly something we all should > be looking for in our research of our cemeteries. > In the ones I've found in our county, only the biggest > town cemeteries are marked. And usually with the brackets [ cem ]. Or > has anyone else found different symbols? I've found a cross marking the locations of a cemetery on some maps. Other time, I've found the symbol of a church, which does not now exist, but the cemetery is extant. The 1876 Indiana Atlas, reprinted by the Indiana Historical Society, is where I've found both types of symbols. Check the Tippecanoe County map for Section 7 in Lauramie Township, also Section 10 just west of the community of Monroe. Sharon Howell

Sorry about that - the Indiana State Library. -----Original Message----- From: L.A. CLUGH [mailto:clugh_la@msn.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 11:08 AM To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Digital Maps of Indiana Thank you for your response. Which library are you referring to? A great topic to discuss, we all need to locate these maps.

Thank you for your response. Which library are you referring to? A great topic to discuss, we all need to locate these maps. The older maps are certainly something we all should be looking for in our research of our cemeteries. In the ones I've found in our county, only the biggest town cemeteries are marked. And usually with the brackets [ cem ]. Or has anyone else found different symbols? I know we have a number of older plat maps dating from 1850 that were in small books. Then we had a few other printed. 1866 map with township plats. 1878 Atlas 1888 Atlas, very hard to find. It has the old schools marked. Then I assume there are only plat books after this? A good question to pursue. It wasn't until the 1980's that our county found the other half of our cemeteries and started to add them to the county maps. The city engineer only knew of 60 on a 1960 map, then area plan started their project in 1986, we now have 133. And know hints of another 60 farm cemeteries. These are probably destroyed. LA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephens, Larry V" <stephenl@indiana.edu> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:23 AM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Digital Maps of Indiana > > Here is the catalog record for the item you are inquiring about: > > Call Number 090;: 912.772 I385hp2 > Personal Author : Sidwell studio, Lombard, Illinois. > Title : [Plat books of Indiana counties]. > Publication Information : Lombard, Ill. : Sidwell studio, > [1925-1941] > Physical Description : [92 pts.] ; 21 x 28 cm. > General Note : IndNonstandard MARC. > Subject Term : Indiana Atlases. > County Atlases. > > The publication date of 1925-1941 is not certain, but was inferred by > the cataloger based on various clues such as dates on the maps and date > of acquisition. > > Thank you for your inquiry. If we can be of further assistance, please > let us know. > > Sincerely, > Jesse Lewis > State Documents Coordinator > Indiana Division > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: L.A. CLUGH [mailto:clugh_la@msn.com] > Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:45 PM > To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [INPCRP] Digital Maps of Indiana > > Evening everyone, > Below is a link digital plats for Indiana on each county. > I don't know the year this is and I haven't studied this yet. > Maybe someone else will. Hope these links holds up.. > It's from IUPUI, here is the main search page. http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php <http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php> > > > enjoy > L.A. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

Here is the catalog record for the item you are inquiring about: Call Number 090;: 912.772 I385hp2 Personal Author : Sidwell studio, Lombard, Illinois. Title : [Plat books of Indiana counties]. Publication Information : Lombard, Ill. : Sidwell studio, [1925-1941] Physical Description : [92 pts.] ; 21 x 28 cm. General Note : IndNonstandard MARC. Subject Term : Indiana Atlases. County Atlases. The publication date of 1925-1941 is not certain, but was inferred by the cataloger based on various clues such as dates on the maps and date of acquisition. Thank you for your inquiry. If we can be of further assistance, please let us know. Sincerely, Jesse Lewis State Documents Coordinator Indiana Division -----Original Message----- From: L.A. CLUGH [mailto:clugh_la@msn.com] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 10:45 PM To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [INPCRP] Digital Maps of Indiana Evening everyone, Below is a link digital plats for Indiana on each county. I don't know the year this is and I haven't studied this yet. Maybe someone else will. Hope these links holds up.. It's from IUPUI, here is the main search page. <http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php<http://indiamond6.ulib .iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php>> This is the atlas. I just know this will split apart, so you might have to search on the link above. Just put in your county somewhere. You should find something. http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=p lat&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=exact&CISOBOX2=&CISOFIELD2=CISOSEAR CHALL&CISOOP3=any&CISOBOX3=&CISOFIELD3=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP4=none&CISOBO X4=&CISOFIELD4=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/IndianaPlat&t=a<http://indiamond6 .ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=plat&CISOFIELD1=CI SOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=exact&CISOBOX2=&CISOFIELD2=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP3=any &CISOBOX3=&CISOFIELD3=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP4=none&CISOBOX4=&CISOFIELD4=CI SOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/IndianaPlat&t=a> enjoy L.A.

The following site launch was published in the local paper http://www.in.gov/igic/projects/indianamap/index.html I haven't had time to check it out completely ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.A. CLUGH" <clugh_la@msn.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Digital Maps of Indiana > Evening everyone, > Below is a link digital plats for Indiana on each county. > I don't know the year this is and I haven't studied this yet. > Maybe someone else will. Hope these links holds up.. > It's from IUPUI, here is the main search page. > <http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php<http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php>> > > This is the atlas. I just know this will split apart, so > you might have to search on the link above. Just put in > your county somewhere. You should find something. > http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=plat&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=exact&CISOBOX2=&CISOFIELD2=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP3=any&CISOBOX3=&CISOFIELD3=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP4=none&CISOBOX4=&CISOFIELD4=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/IndianaPlat&t=a<http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=plat&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=exact&CISOBOX2=&CISOFIELD2=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP3=any&CISOBOX3=&CISOFIELD3=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP4=none&CISOBOX4=&CISOFIELD4=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/IndianaPlat&t=a> > > > enjoy > L.A. > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > To UNSUBSCRIBE, send message consisting only of > "UNSUBSCRIBE" to INPCRP-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com > or to INPCRP-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com (for DIGEST version) > > >

Evening everyone, Below is a link digital plats for Indiana on each county. I don't know the year this is and I haven't studied this yet. Maybe someone else will. Hope these links holds up.. It's from IUPUI, here is the main search page. <http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php<http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/search.php>> This is the atlas. I just know this will split apart, so you might have to search on the link above. Just put in your county somewhere. You should find something. http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=plat&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=exact&CISOBOX2=&CISOFIELD2=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP3=any&CISOBOX3=&CISOFIELD3=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP4=none&CISOBOX4=&CISOFIELD4=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/IndianaPlat&t=a<http://indiamond6.ulib.iupui.edu/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=all&CISOBOX1=plat&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP2=exact&CISOBOX2=&CISOFIELD2=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP3=any&CISOBOX3=&CISOFIELD3=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOOP4=none&CISOBOX4=&CISOFIELD4=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/IndianaPlat&t=a> enjoy L.A.

LA: Thank you for the info on the VA database. That will come in very useful. It brought to mind a database that I thought might also be of interest to the group. The Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War has placed online their graves registration database for Union and Confederate burials. This is a work in progress as more burials are added on line every day. I am currently compiling an index for all of Newton County to be added. I am also adding burials of ancestors of others and would be happy to do that for anyone on the list if they email off list so I can let them know what information I need. The database is located at _www.suvcwdb.org_ (http://www.suvcwdb.org) . Anyone who is interested in having the burial of their CW ancestor added can contact me at _KidClerk@aol.com_ (mailto:KidClerk@aol.com) . Kyle D. Conrad

Ok, I don't know why it is doublings my links together. You can separate them before the brackets, or copy them up to the brackets < > Sorry. LA Subject: [INPCRP] Fw: VA Burials / Cemeteries Database > List, Forwarding this on, the database looks pretty nice. > > I also updated the Links page. Took off all those buttons. http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/links_to_other_sites.htm <http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/links_to_other_sites.htm> > > Please let me know if you find any great Cemetery information > sites. > > LAC > ~~~~~~~ > > The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has added 1.9 million burial > listings to its cemeteries database. These are for military veterans > buried in > mostly private cemeteries, who have VA grave markers. The database > already > included more than 3 million graves in national cemeteries, bringing the > total in > the database to about 5 million listings. > > VA has also added maps to show many of the grave locations for those > buried > in VA national cemeteries, in state veterans cemeteries, and Arlington > National Cemetery. > > The database is online at... http://gravelocatorhttp://grave http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/ <http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/>) > > For more helpful military databases see... > Online Military Indexes & Records http://www.militaryhttp://www.m <http://www.militaryhttp://www.m> (http://www.militaryindexes.com/<http://www.militaryindexes.com/>) > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you > have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

List, Forwarding this on, the database looks pretty nice. I also updated the Links page. Took off all those buttons. http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/links_to_other_sites.htm<http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/links_to_other_sites.htm> Please let me know if you find any great Cemetery information sites. LAC ~~~~~~~ The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) has added 1.9 million burial listings to its cemeteries database. These are for military veterans buried in mostly private cemeteries, who have VA grave markers. The database already included more than 3 million graves in national cemeteries, bringing the total in the database to about 5 million listings. VA has also added maps to show many of the grave locations for those buried in VA national cemeteries, in state veterans cemeteries, and Arlington National Cemetery. The database is online at... _http://gravelocatorhttp://grave_ (http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/<http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/>) For more helpful military databases see... Online Military Indexes & Records http://www.militaryhttp://www.m<http://www.militaryhttp://www.m>_ (http://www.militaryindexes.com/<http://www.militaryindexes.com/>)

Thanks Brian, Please let me know if you have any new links to add. LA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Smead" <bsmead@gte.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: RE: [INPCRP] Am i Still On the List > List has been quiet for the last few months. > > LA, I went to the website the other day and just wanted to let you know > that > it looks great. You've done a good job on it. > > Brian Smead > Terre Haute, IN > > -----Original Message----- > From: L.A. CLUGH [mailto:clugh_la@msn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 12:24 PM > To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Am i Still On the List > > > Greetings Jack and list, > > Jack, you most certainly are still on the list. Both email's. > I has been quiet this year. There has been a lot of folks that have emails > bounced/returned lately. The system at Rootsweb will take care of all > this > by > it's self. I don't have to mess with removing anyone. > > Melody, looks like some great photos and participation on your dedication > Congrats! > > We need to here more like this. > > LA > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer > > Cemeteries Restoration Project only. >