In a message dated 9/5/01 1:15:41 AM US Eastern Standard Time, nbryant@netdirect.net writes: > I am sure Jack, Sue, Lois and several others of you could state our > thoughts, fears and concerns much better, but thought one more voice in > the "wilderness" wouldn't hurt. > You did fine. Sometimes talking in the quiet of the Wilderness sounds like a roar. You never know who might be able to hear you.. Since we are all volunteers, we have a right to speak up about the things we are working to accomplish. If we don't make our feelings known, how will others know about the problems that exist. There are always inequities in everything. If everyone on the List gets tired of talking and not being heard and quits, I believe the Cemetery project would be in a world of hurt. We don't want that. SPEAK UP, Sooner or later someone has to listen. You might make the difference. Keep speaking up. If there are no words, then there can be no listening Besides, The List gets tired of me. Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd Co. PCRP Coordinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 9812) 282-6585

In a message dated 9/6/01 9:47:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time, ssilver1951@jps.net writes: > Has anyone thought of offering classes to the older aged Boy Scout troops? > Or other youth groups that do community service? The older guys can really > be an asset and they have so much energy at that age! > > Sue, Our county is so small we only have a Part time Scoutmaster. No, seriously there is paper work, permission, from parents, property owners, Etc, Etc. I don't have time for all of that. I am going to try to get the SIGS (Southern Indiana Gen. Soc.) to handle that. I'll see what happens. When I am finished with all of the locating, finding deeds to determine the sizes of the cemeteries, and the owners of the property, there will be in excess of 500 sheets of information to fill out. I think I have that part covered, all I have to do is figure out all of the Information and the Southern Indiana Genealogical Society will take that and Put it on paper. Also I have 5 township Trustees that have no idea where all of their cemeteries are. I have to solve that problem also. The Scouts are a great idea, but I don't have time to complete everything else and work with them. I can't spread me that thin. I am going to the local Newspaper, and if I can intrest them in doing a story about my needeing volunteers on weekends to help clear, I might get a Response. But if you could see this country, you would understand their reluctance to come forward. Also that would mean besides still only being semi-retired from the Masonry Bussiness, working on my cemetery information, and taking on weekends on clearing, I don't know what to do, or when to do it. I know I definately need help. That I have to work on right away Sorry for venting my frustration, I didn't start out to do that. I never do, it just happens. Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd Co. PCRP Cooridinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444

Sur is exactly right. The Scouting programs can be a great resource. I've been getting contacts every week from both Boy and Girl Scouts that want to do cemetery projects from all over the country. It seems that this is quite pouplar curently. With the Boys they can do this for Eagle Scout badges, not exactly sure what the case with the Girls are. But I have a info page up on this at Saving Graves at http://www.savinggraves.com/boyscouts.htm if anyone is interested in looking into this. William Spurlock Saving Graves http://www.savinggraves.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Silver To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Workday and training needed! Has anyone thought of offering classes to the older aged Boy Scout troops? Or other youth groups that do community service? The older guys can really be an asset and they have so much energy at that age! You never know when you'll meet one that this type of thing really grabs. Then you've got a cemetery preservationist who'll have at least 30 or 40 years to participate! Sue Silver CA ----- Original Message ----- From: CLUGH_LA <clugh_la@email.msn.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: Fw: [INPCRP] Workday and training needed! > Jack, > Yes, the weather is looking grim. I am going to catch-up to you someday > with your GPS and learn how to map. I loved your books. > I think we need coordinator workshops! There are soooo many issues and > processes to learn. It didn't take long to be labeled in my county as "the > lady" to call for cemetery questions and problems. One with out all the > answers. > > My group is shrinking, and those that are left finally told me they were > just not comfortable going out to work on the repairs and stones by > themselves. They need more training. I certainly understand this. I've > registered for my 6th workshop at Madison soon. It is just not possible to > understand the restoration process in one workshop. It's one thing to > absorb all this process and apply it yourself. It is another whole ballgame > to teach it and make a group understand and trust themselves to move forward > to make a difference. > We had decided as a group try to setting up workday in each township (13) > with township trustees and/or private owners. We would work on restoration > and try to draw in the local groups to help and pass all this on. Then > maybe locals could continue to work on others in their > township and we could move on and be their as guidance. I think all this > can work, but need to step back and get my own group comfortable first. > Their is certainly no way I or this group can finish 98 pioneer cemeteries. > Without community help. > > Sooo, we will work on this project (weather permitting) to give them more > hands on experience. > Kenny is a very open cleared cemetery. There are many fallen stones and a > whole row of stones out of their bases. A great place to learn. > > Would love this list to respond on how their groups are doing. > > LA > Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator > See our cemeteries at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jb502000@aol.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Workday on the Kenny Cemetery, you hope > > > > LA, You may also want to take an umbrella. I > > have been looking at the cemetery site. The GPS UTM cooridinates are 16 > > 512576 Easting 4466715 Northing, Latitude 40.353 degrees, Longitude > > -86.852 degrees. in the Stockwell Quadrangle Weather clear, 69 degrees, > > the weather forecast is for possible thunder showers Friday and Possibly > > Saturday. One thing in your favor is I dont see any heavy dense woods in > the > > area. It actually looks pretty clean. > > If you can check my numbers. I know you probably be recording them anyhow. > > > > Just kidding around, sorry I can't be there, > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > > Floyd Co. PCRP Cooridinator > > PO Box 444 > > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know.

Jack, That is why your books are so valuable! You alone will leave a Hugh amount of historical information behind. And all those people who don't see the LIGHT will realize what they should have gotten involved in sooner. I think there is still hope you will reach them. It is not that my people don't care. It's just hard to keep them involved and to feel confident they can go out and tackle this work. And Sue, I just got a call this week on a Boy Scout looking for a project. I'm thrilled about that! I'm just a little concerned about how much they can do. This repair work is really time consuming and I know it take some training. Maybe I'm being to silly. But John has taught us to strive for a perfect fix on each stone. I had one story passed on about a group (different county) that went out and began to work on a cemetery after one workshop. Most of them showed up with wire brushes and they used them on all the stones. It is hard to take in all this info an apply it correctly without multiple training sessions. But- I will revamp my strategy and begin again. Got to, I love this part. ;-) And thank you Bill for the link. I will study that, it looks helpful. Grateful for any ideas, L. A. Ps, here is one idea I've been working on for education. http://communities.msn.com/Tippycems/stonerepairs.msnw This is my repair progress for two stones. Also on the left side is an album from our workshop. I didn't get this finished, but there are some good pictures explaining the process. Each album had 2 pages. Ignore the Shoebox album, it's not related.

In a message dated 9/6/01 8:08:35 AM US Eastern Standard Time, clugh_la@email.msn.com writes: > Would love this list to respond on how their groups are doing. > > LA, MY group is not doing worth a hoot. I have been, and still am my county's only volunteer. Every one is very interested, but not enough to help me. I suppose that is why my frustration shows thru so much. I also try to manage a few cemeteries in Harrison Co. also. Everyone asks me "How are the cemeteries coming" I answer not very well, one person can't do much. But no one offers to help. I can't even get anyone to go out with me and look at the horrid condition of some of them. The problem is in this small county (second smallest in the state) with over 100 pioneer cemeteries, 50,000 people and 25,000 developers (it seems that way) and everyone in Kentucky wanting to live in the hill country above the Ohio Valley, the outlook is very gloomy. If the Zoning Board doesn't approve a Development Plan, the Developer sues the Board and at least in one case a Judge ordered the Board to Ignore the rules and pass the Plan (It's on appeal) Floyd, Harrison, (The Governors County) Crawford and Perry along the hills by the Ohio River are the forgotten counties of the State. If the people in your county feel like they do, can you imagine how frustrated I get sometimes. I seem to run into roadblocks every time I think I am making progress. I am the only person in the state of Indiana who knows where all of the cemeteries in Floyd County are, and also the ONLY one who knows their conditions. Having visited them Knowing what the future may hold 100 years from now, my wife and I have elected to be Cremated and scattered. No one will ever have to worry about our burial site like I worry about others. Sometimes I think my job is impossible, but as the Marines say, "The Impossible only takes a Little Longer ". You will do fine this weekend, If you have 1 person show up you're a winner, Good luck Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd Co. PCRP Cooridinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444

Jack, Yes, the weather is looking grim. I am going to catch-up to you someday with your GPS and learn how to map. I loved your books. I think we need coordinator workshops! There are soooo many issues and processes to learn. It didn't take long to be labeled in my county as "the lady" to call for cemetery questions and problems. One with out all the answers. My group is shrinking, and those that are left finally told me they were just not comfortable going out to work on the repairs and stones by themselves. They need more training. I certainly understand this. I've registered for my 6th workshop at Madison soon. It is just not possible to understand the restoration process in one workshop. It's one thing to absorb all this process and apply it yourself. It is another whole ballgame to teach it and make a group understand and trust themselves to move forward to make a difference. We had decided as a group try to setting up workday in each township (13) with township trustees and/or private owners. We would work on restoration and try to draw in the local groups to help and pass all this on. Then maybe locals could continue to work on others in their township and we could move on and be their as guidance. I think all this can work, but need to step back and get my own group comfortable first. Their is certainly no way I or this group can finish 98 pioneer cemeteries. Without community help. Sooo, we will work on this project (weather permitting) to give them more hands on experience. Kenny is a very open cleared cemetery. There are many fallen stones and a whole row of stones out of their bases. A great place to learn. Would love this list to respond on how their groups are doing. LA Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator See our cemeteries at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Workday on the Kenny Cemetery, you hope > LA, You may also want to take an umbrella. I > have been looking at the cemetery site. The GPS UTM cooridinates are 16 > 512576 Easting 4466715 Northing, Latitude 40.353 degrees, Longitude > -86.852 degrees. in the Stockwell Quadrangle Weather clear, 69 degrees, > the weather forecast is for possible thunder showers Friday and Possibly > Saturday. One thing in your favor is I dont see any heavy dense woods in the > area. It actually looks pretty clean. > If you can check my numbers. I know you probably be recording them anyhow. > > Just kidding around, sorry I can't be there, > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd Co. PCRP Cooridinator > PO Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

Jack, Seems to me that we would be a lot better off if more people were to get even as half as passionate as you. Keep it up, I for one love to read your words! Bill Spurlock

Has anyone thought of offering classes to the older aged Boy Scout troops? Or other youth groups that do community service? The older guys can really be an asset and they have so much energy at that age! You never know when you'll meet one that this type of thing really grabs. Then you've got a cemetery preservationist who'll have at least 30 or 40 years to participate! Sue Silver CA ----- Original Message ----- From: CLUGH_LA <clugh_la@email.msn.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: Fw: [INPCRP] Workday and training needed! > Jack, > Yes, the weather is looking grim. I am going to catch-up to you someday > with your GPS and learn how to map. I loved your books. > I think we need coordinator workshops! There are soooo many issues and > processes to learn. It didn't take long to be labeled in my county as "the > lady" to call for cemetery questions and problems. One with out all the > answers. > > My group is shrinking, and those that are left finally told me they were > just not comfortable going out to work on the repairs and stones by > themselves. They need more training. I certainly understand this. I've > registered for my 6th workshop at Madison soon. It is just not possible to > understand the restoration process in one workshop. It's one thing to > absorb all this process and apply it yourself. It is another whole ballgame > to teach it and make a group understand and trust themselves to move forward > to make a difference. > We had decided as a group try to setting up workday in each township (13) > with township trustees and/or private owners. We would work on restoration > and try to draw in the local groups to help and pass all this on. Then > maybe locals could continue to work on others in their > township and we could move on and be their as guidance. I think all this > can work, but need to step back and get my own group comfortable first. > Their is certainly no way I or this group can finish 98 pioneer cemeteries. > Without community help. > > Sooo, we will work on this project (weather permitting) to give them more > hands on experience. > Kenny is a very open cleared cemetery. There are many fallen stones and a > whole row of stones out of their bases. A great place to learn. > > Would love this list to respond on how their groups are doing. > > LA > Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator > See our cemeteries at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/tcem.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jb502000@aol.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Workday on the Kenny Cemetery, you hope > > > > LA, You may also want to take an umbrella. I > > have been looking at the cemetery site. The GPS UTM cooridinates are 16 > > 512576 Easting 4466715 Northing, Latitude 40.353 degrees, Longitude > > -86.852 degrees. in the Stockwell Quadrangle Weather clear, 69 degrees, > > the weather forecast is for possible thunder showers Friday and Possibly > > Saturday. One thing in your favor is I dont see any heavy dense woods in > the > > area. It actually looks pretty clean. > > If you can check my numbers. I know you probably be recording them anyhow. > > > > Just kidding around, sorry I can't be there, > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > > Floyd Co. PCRP Cooridinator > > PO Box 444 > > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > "Show me your cemeteries, and I will tell you what kind of people you have." > Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790) > >

Jack Briles rushed down to Barrens Cemetery in Harrison Co. the other day when we received the report from Bill Spurlock at www.SavingGraves.com about another cemetery that is being intentionally allowed to revert to its "natural state". There was over the last few days a good deal of discussion about this situation, including the fact that it is not unique in Indiana. In my opinion, this policy is contrary to the dictates of Indiana Code 23-14-68 (CARE OF CEMETERIES BY TOWNSHIPS) which states that it is the responsibility of the Township Trustees to "destroy and clean up detrimental plants (as defined in IC 15-3-4-1), noxious weeds, and rank vegetation." See http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title23/ar14/ch68.html and http://www.ai.org/legislative/ic/code/title15/ar3/ch4.html Further, in my opinion, this policy is yet another obstacle preventing descendants, researchers and historians from visiting historic gravesites. Jack's report and photos as well as the WPA cemetery plat that he found are all on-line at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/barrenscem.html Lois ==================== HAVE YOU SIGNED A PETITION TO SLOW THE RELOCATION OF CEMETERIES IN INDIANA? See Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp Clark Co., IN Cemetery Preservation Committee: http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc

LA, You may also want to take an umbrella. I have been looking at the cemetery site. The GPS UTM cooridinates are 16 512576 Easting 4466715 Northing, Latitude 40.353 degrees, Longitude -86.852 degrees. in the Stockwell Quadrangle Weather clear, 69 degrees, the weather forecast is for possible thunder showers Friday and Possibly Saturday. One thing in your favor is I dont see any heavy dense woods in the area. It actually looks pretty clean. If you can check my numbers. I know you probably be recording them anyhow. Just kidding around, sorry I can't be there, Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd Co. PCRP Cooridinator PO Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444

A couple of years ago (1999) I knew of an old pioneer cemetery in a field where a wealthy farmer from another county planned to build a new home with a pond on the site. There were no stones visible in the cemetery and land records had no mention of it. He contacted the DNR state office and was given the ok to proceeded with his plans. Out of desperation I, along with another couple, went out to the cemetery and probed until we found a stone, reset it and took photos of it. When he returned to the site to continue surveying, there was this stone to greet him. http://hcgs.tripod.com/unkwn.jpg He then gave up on his plans for the pond after he contacted the DNR again. He did build his home and decided to clean up and maintain the cemetery since it would be right next to his home. UEB Henry County, IN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Silver" <ssilver1951@jps.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Helphinstine Cemetery - Alfordsville > In California, many archaeologists have had to "prostitute" themselves in > order to even be hired. They found out early on that if they did a genuine, > thorough job the client didn't like it because it meant more effort on the > client's part to pass the requirements of the California Environmental > Quality Act (CEQA). So what they've begun to do is mention that something > "may" be there, but that the present study has not been able to locate > anything further. > > And, yes, Jon is right about the accepted "windshield" surveys. Sometimes > even if you shot a rocket off a sensitive site, they wouldn't "see" it. > They know from their clients what result the client is seeking and that's > generally what they provide. One archaeologist I know told her client about > a Native American burial ground, sent him a letter specifically stating it > had to be included in the report. She didn't work in this county for over > ten years after that. The project was challenged in court by > environmentalists and the court ruled the Environmental Impact Report > "failed" to address issues in 16 different areas and causes. Not one of > them was the burial ground the archaeologist had urged her client to reveal. > > Sue Silver > CA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jon andrews <sianoil@hotmail.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:37 PM > Subject: [INPCRP] Helphinstine Cemetery - Alfordsville > > > > Ernie: > > Don't want to disagree with you, but we have lost 3 cemeteries in Knox > > County in the last 2 years to the coal mine. Some were platted, all were > > known and none appeared on the literature searches done by the "hired gun" > > representing the coal company. For several reasons, in the past an > > archeological research company who will remain nameless, but is > > headquartered in Ohio and very well known, basically is paid (bought off) > by > > the coal company to do a basic drive-by search. In other words, if there > is > > not a flashing arrow with a girl in a swimsuit standing out front of the > > cemetery, they don't see it. Second, all record searches are performed in > > Indianapolis and believe it or not all family and county histories along > > with what Goober knows down at the gas station doesn't make it into the > > files. On top of that, the DNR in some cases accepts the word of the local > > undertaker that they have had no burials out there to his knowledge. How > > ridiculous! Consequently, in our case, unless you have some documentation > of > > burials and practically throw yourself in front of the mining equipment, > in > > most cases the cemetery is going to be reamed. I mean, what's a $2,500.00 > > fine mean to a coal company anyway? Bad press is what gets them where it > > counts. Don't count on the archeological reports to the DNR to save them, > > because I have my doubts that anybody ever reads them anyway, until it's > too > > late. > > If in doubt of any questionable area, I suggest one contact Tim Wright > with > > IDNR at Jasonville-Mining & Reclamation. He seems to be on top of things > > much more than anyone in the past. > > Jon Andrews > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to > LoisMauk@usa.net. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >

this is true also of the small Wyatt cemetery in Pike Co. Marion Twp..it was routed out,by mining, and it is recorded in the booklets in the library as a cemetery site, ,,,,altho the stones were gone several years ago........I sent letter to the current owner,resident of Daviess Co., when he was planning to place a const/demolition landfill on the property, with a map siting the location, he replied he was not aware of old cemetery site, and so far the landfill is avoiding the hillside, but too late, the mine already worked it, plus farmers. this ocurred in the mid 70's early 80's...Ruth Pride

In a message dated 9/4/01 12:01:02 PM US Eastern Standard Time, clugh_la@email.msn.com writes: > I have one too in Tippecanoe County. Wondered if anyone else had these > types of problems. Ours is protected by the DNR and is burned every other > year, I think. Do you think This could alert the Township Trustees to get in touch with the DNR. And hopefully get them to take over and let them burn the cemeteries off. No more cleanup. I can't believe all of this wonderfull help we are getting with the "Saving" of the cemeteries. At least you have one that is taken care of for you. Wonderfull, according to the photograph it is really beautiful now that it is all grown up. Think how terrible it will look all winter after it is Burnt off. Hurry up Spring !! Jack E. Briles Sr.

List, Just thought I would post this for anyone who may have family in our county. Members of the Tippecanoe County Cemetery Restoration Group will be working on the Kenny Cemetery this Saturday. 10 am to 2 pm. If you are interested in joining us. Bring a hand shovel, bucket and nylon scrub brush. You might want to bring a lawn chair and lunch or you can take a break and go to 350 South. We will be working on a small section resetting, repairing and cleaning the stones. Kenny is located in Wea Township, South off Concord Road, go to CR 450 South, turn East, the cemetery is about 1/4 mile on the left. Park on the burm of the road. Kenny cemetery is online below. http://www.rootsweb.com/~intippec/KennyCem.htm L.A. Clugh Tippecanoe County Pioneer Cemeteries Group Coordinator clugh_la@msn.com

In California, many archaeologists have had to "prostitute" themselves in order to even be hired. They found out early on that if they did a genuine, thorough job the client didn't like it because it meant more effort on the client's part to pass the requirements of the California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA). So what they've begun to do is mention that something "may" be there, but that the present study has not been able to locate anything further. And, yes, Jon is right about the accepted "windshield" surveys. Sometimes even if you shot a rocket off a sensitive site, they wouldn't "see" it. They know from their clients what result the client is seeking and that's generally what they provide. One archaeologist I know told her client about a Native American burial ground, sent him a letter specifically stating it had to be included in the report. She didn't work in this county for over ten years after that. The project was challenged in court by environmentalists and the court ruled the Environmental Impact Report "failed" to address issues in 16 different areas and causes. Not one of them was the burial ground the archaeologist had urged her client to reveal. Sue Silver CA ----- Original Message ----- From: jon andrews <sianoil@hotmail.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Helphinstine Cemetery - Alfordsville > Ernie: > Don't want to disagree with you, but we have lost 3 cemeteries in Knox > County in the last 2 years to the coal mine. Some were platted, all were > known and none appeared on the literature searches done by the "hired gun" > representing the coal company. For several reasons, in the past an > archeological research company who will remain nameless, but is > headquartered in Ohio and very well known, basically is paid (bought off) by > the coal company to do a basic drive-by search. In other words, if there is > not a flashing arrow with a girl in a swimsuit standing out front of the > cemetery, they don't see it. Second, all record searches are performed in > Indianapolis and believe it or not all family and county histories along > with what Goober knows down at the gas station doesn't make it into the > files. On top of that, the DNR in some cases accepts the word of the local > undertaker that they have had no burials out there to his knowledge. How > ridiculous! Consequently, in our case, unless you have some documentation of > burials and practically throw yourself in front of the mining equipment, in > most cases the cemetery is going to be reamed. I mean, what's a $2,500.00 > fine mean to a coal company anyway? Bad press is what gets them where it > counts. Don't count on the archeological reports to the DNR to save them, > because I have my doubts that anybody ever reads them anyway, until it's too > late. > If in doubt of any questionable area, I suggest one contact Tim Wright with > IDNR at Jasonville-Mining & Reclamation. He seems to be on top of things > much more than anyone in the past. > Jon Andrews > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B6B75CBE3BFD45FC18E826EC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a message I sent to the Land Trust. Won't hold my breath hearing back from them. I sure Jack, Sue, Lois and several others of you could state our thoughts, fears and concerns much better, but thought one more voice in the "wilderness" wouldn't hurt. --------------B6B75CBE3BFD45FC18E826EC Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3B95D9D6.5B7D1641@netdirect.net> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 00:52:54 -0700 From: Norman Bryant <nbryant@netdirect.net> Reply-To: nbryant@netdirect.net Organization: Consultant X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NetDirect (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: landtrust@cilti.org Subject: INDIANA PIONEER CEMETERIES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sirs: I am very concerned about the damage done to Indiana's Pioneer Cemeteries when they are allowed to become overgrown, then burned off. This cannot be done without harming the grave markers. I wholehartedly support your plantings in Nature Preserves, parks, along roadsides, etc., but our pioneer cemeteries are historical places and much too valuable to Indiana to be ruined by the heat and smoke of burn offs and the overgrowth of grasses and wildflowers. There are people from all over the United States and the world who are interested in our pioneer cemeteries. They have ancestors buried in them and many visit these cemeteries for information and pictures. If these grasses and wildflowers can't be cut (as your signs say) it makes it very difficult for people to find their family's gravestones. Most people are not prepared to wade through tall grasses either. Thank you for reading this and I look forward to any comments or thoughts you may have. Pat Bryant, Indianapolis, IN --------------B6B75CBE3BFD45FC18E826EC--

Ernie: Don't want to disagree with you, but we have lost 3 cemeteries in Knox County in the last 2 years to the coal mine. Some were platted, all were known and none appeared on the literature searches done by the "hired gun" representing the coal company. For several reasons, in the past an archeological research company who will remain nameless, but is headquartered in Ohio and very well known, basically is paid (bought off) by the coal company to do a basic drive-by search. In other words, if there is not a flashing arrow with a girl in a swimsuit standing out front of the cemetery, they don't see it. Second, all record searches are performed in Indianapolis and believe it or not all family and county histories along with what Goober knows down at the gas station doesn't make it into the files. On top of that, the DNR in some cases accepts the word of the local undertaker that they have had no burials out there to his knowledge. How ridiculous! Consequently, in our case, unless you have some documentation of burials and practically throw yourself in front of the mining equipment, in most cases the cemetery is going to be reamed. I mean, what's a $2,500.00 fine mean to a coal company anyway? Bad press is what gets them where it counts. Don't count on the archeological reports to the DNR to save them, because I have my doubts that anybody ever reads them anyway, until it's too late. If in doubt of any questionable area, I suggest one contact Tim Wright with IDNR at Jasonville-Mining & Reclamation. He seems to be on top of things much more than anyone in the past. Jon Andrews _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

In a message dated 9/4/01 1:43:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Pride1jw@aol.com writes: > .......Just my thinking...Ruth Pride Wheatland..Knox Co. > > > Ruth, our Trains are on the same track. I believe this is what this Cultural thing has been all about. Waiting for the day when we begin to see what is happening to certain cemeteries. Such as "Let them convert back to Nature" There is a lot of available ground in the State of Indiana that could be set up as a Nature Conservancy. We have a couple of 1,000 acres in Floyd Co. that belongs to the Nature Conservancy, There is also a cemetery in part of it and I never could get any kind of straight answer about my clearing it. I think I am beginning to see why. Believe me. I am a CONSERVATIONIST with anything pertaining to our past. Don't destroy part of our past History with me around. And I agree with the Goals of the Conservancy, but when we begin to think more about Grass and Flowers, with all of the ground available, then we do about a cemetery full of someone's Ancestors, then that is when we no longer see eye to eye. These cemeteries are not a natural growing area. Why they have become so is the Trustees stopped doing their legally defined jobs, the cemeteries grew up. The ground around them didn't because the farmers got rid of all of what they called "Weeds" and grew crops. The only place left that had grown up was the Cemeteries. Is this why we spend our time "Saving" them? What if we clean one and Some type of grass or Flowers pop up, will this become protected property ?? Also, does the Database inform those that would like to visit these Prairie cemeteries that they are grown up. It should. It would be terrible if an elderly couple drove a couple of hundred miles and found the cemetery all grown up and full of "Stick Tites" my name for the hardest thing to get off your clothes. Can you imagine their feelings. Enough said !! I'm sure no one is interested in my opinion on thes type of subjects. I get to Passionate. I take what I do seriously. Jack E. Briles Sr.

In the work I have been doing on driving directions to cemeteries, there are two cemeteries in Henry County where the notation has been added that the cemetery is in an area of prairie restoration. This means that they plan to treat the area as a prairie. No mowing, occasional burning, etc. This was the first time I encountered this notation. But, we haven't done too many counties yet. A & B, G & H, working on C and J counties. Sharon Howell

Jack, I think we are ALL interested in your opinion in this type of subject , probably because your opinions mirror ours. Stay on your soapbox. You say my feelings much better then I do. Brian E. Smead Terre Haute, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [INPCRP] Burning cemeteries > In a message dated 9/4/01 1:43:48 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > Pride1jw@aol.com writes: > > > > .......Just my thinking...Ruth Pride Wheatland..Knox Co. > > > > > > > Ruth, our Trains are on the same track. I believe this is what this > Cultural thing has been all about. Waiting for the day when we begin to see > what is happening to certain cemeteries. Such as "Let them convert back to > Nature" There is a lot of available ground in the State of Indiana that could > be set up as a Nature Conservancy. > We have a couple of 1,000 acres in Floyd Co. that belongs to the Nature > Conservancy, There is also a cemetery in part of it and I never could get any > kind of straight answer about my clearing it. I think I am beginning to see > why. Believe me. I am a CONSERVATIONIST with anything pertaining to our past. > Don't destroy part of our past History with me around. And I agree with the > Goals of the Conservancy, but when we begin to think more about Grass and > Flowers, with all of the ground available, then we do about a cemetery full > of someone's Ancestors, then that is when we no longer see eye to eye. > These cemeteries are not a natural growing area. Why they have > become so is the Trustees stopped doing their legally defined jobs, the > cemeteries grew up. The ground around them didn't because the farmers got rid > of all of what they called "Weeds" and grew crops. The only place left that > had grown up was the Cemeteries. Is this why we spend our time "Saving" them? > What if we clean one and Some type of grass or Flowers pop up, will this > become protected property ?? Also, does the Database inform those that would > like to visit these Prairie cemeteries that they are grown up. It should. It > would be terrible if an elderly couple drove a couple of hundred miles and > found the cemetery all grown up and full of "Stick Tites" my name for the > hardest thing to get off your clothes. Can you imagine their feelings. > Enough said !! I'm sure no one is > interested in my opinion on thes type of subjects. I get to Passionate. I > take what I do seriously. > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Cemetery: (n) A marble orchard not to be taken for granite. > >