Has anyone looked further down the road and thought about using such a video as a fund raiser for this group to be able to.....hire a lobbyist at the Indiana General Assembly??? Kyle D. Conrad

Jack, Maybe you're right, you don't have time for showbiz! Keep on them. Jon >From: Jb502000@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] Barrens aka St Johns Lutheran, and DNR >Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 22:54:59 EDT > > >Open Letter to the List, >Today I spent the day checking on the Grassy Barrens Cemetery AKA St. Johns >Lutheran. George Haas sold one (1) acre of ground for $1.25 of Lawful Money >of the United States of America to three trustees of the St. Johns >Evangelical Lutheran Synod. It was sold and recorded the 25 of September in >the year of our Lord, One Thousand Eight Hundred and Forty-seven ( 9/1847) >And it STILL IS IN THE SAME NAME AS OF 2 PM TODAY. It is Nontaxable >ST.JOHNS >LUTHERAN CHURCH. It has not been Sold, Traded, or Bartered to the DNR, or >the >Nature Conservancy, nor any other State agency. The assessor tacked on the >front of the listing "The Trustees of Central Barren Methodist Church." But >no one in office now new why. It was there when they came into office. I >drove up to Central Barren and looked for Trustees. I found one that was >very willing to talk to me. I asked about their connection with St. Johns >Cemetery (Sorry Barrens) He said they had absolutely no connection what so >ever. Absolutely None, and how did I get them Connected. > I explained about the Recorders office list. He said they are >WRONG. I asked if I could Quote him, he said Yes. He would tell this to >anyone. I explained about the Cemetery. He gave me the Name of 90 year old >Frances Quebbeman in New Salisbury. I drove over and we Talked. She is >sharp >as a Tack She said at one time the DNR wanted to purchase 40 acres by the >cemetery. Dad had it appraised at $14,000. DNR countered, he said no. They >sold it off in parcels. After a while the DNR started burning off the >cemetery. Neighbors started complaining, but they still burnt it off. She >even said that cemetery there has a native Grass. I asked if her father had >any on his property, she said no, he kept it plowed up. I told her that a >burial took place there in 1924, did she think it was grown up then. She >said >NO. Them Germans kept everything clean. I said, then the Grass and Weeds >have >not been there since 1847. She said no, never. She is quite familiar with >the >area she was born in 1911, and George Haas who sold it to the Church was >her >GGGrandfather. >After checking the Legal Aspect, and talking to others The DNR, in MY >OPINION >took over the cemetery and started burning it off. That's funny. I can't >even >stick a Probe in the ground because I, in my recklessness may damage a >piece >of Tombstone. > I repeat, they should go somewhere else and plant the Grass and Weeds >and get the H--- out of this cemetery. I keep hearing this grass used to >rejuvenate itself after a fire in it. Well, take the seeds someplace where >a >Culture allows a Cemetery to return to a Natural State and toss it in >there. >Maybe lightning will strike close by. Gosh they'd be tickled to death. I >also >would be glad to help gather seeds if someone wants their own cemetery to >look this nice. What about setting aside an area in Crown Hill for >something >nice like this. A real historic part of Indiana in Marion County where >everyone that visits the State Capitol can see it. This one is hard to >find. >I have to tell people where it is supposed to be. Saddly,This whole thing >is >so silly it is beginning to get funny the more I think of it. I'm checking >tomorrow with the National Gravestone Studies Association. If they believe >in >fire in cemeteries, we can just burn them all. (With proper fire >protection) >Except in Certain counties in Indiana that cannot burn anything. That would >be unfair to them. I know I live in one. > Does the DNR have the permission of the legally constituted power >over the Cemetery, the Morgan Township Trustee, in writing? Cleaning of a >cemetery should come under a Cover letter from the Trustee. If anyone out >there cleans one up, you should First get a Letter covering the Cemeteries >under the jurisdiction of your Township Trustee giving you his Permission >to >do what ever the law requires of him. It's just advice, might keep YOU out >of Trouble Please, Don't anyone come on Line and agree with me. >I >know this last week I have said enough to cause my self problems down the >line, but i'm 68 and can still stand up for myself. I welcome a chalenge >it's >all I have to look forward to. But since 1847 the Deed is still good. >Another St Johns was started in 1862, 2 miles away, But no Burials allowed >in >the Deed > >Jack E. Briles Sr. >Floyd County INPCRP Coordinator >Po Box 444 >New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Jack, I think you're on to something here, except this video should be Part II of a series of videos. Part I could be the actual seeking out and cleaning of a cemetery. Wading through the brush in search of your ancestors, etc. Kind of a jungle safari type thing. Of course, you would play yourself as the leading role. In fact you could even get someone to play the leading lady. Perhaps, Lois. I can see it now with your name in lights, Jack. We're talking PBS here. Hey, there may be grant money for this. Kind of a educational thing, entitled "This Old Cemetery" or in Walt's case, "The Monument Shop" and you could go around from place to place doing weekly shows. Maybe then, Jack, maybe then they would listen. I'm somewhat kidding, but think of it as a public awareness tape and something to document Jack Briles' work and dedication for future generations. Then they would look back and say, "You know, he was right." Anyway, it would make a good laugh. Just a thought. Take care, Jon Andrews >From: Jb502000@aol.com >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] Re: Video of Repairs >Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:19:59 EDT > > I hope this clears up an E-mail I sent out earlier today, or my >computer >has went nuts. It is about Videos. If you read the earlier >Version, >please Delete this. Jack > > In a message dated 9/8/01 11:01:18 AM US Eastern Standard Time, >Jb502000 > > writes: > > >> To:<A HREF="mailto:LoisMauk@home.com (Lois >Mauk)">LoisMauk@home.com (Lois Mauk)</A> > >> Lois, > >> Walt just sent an E-Mail about a Video of Repairs. Do you know if >Madison > >> has a TV Station. Amateur videos do not have a lot to offer. Official > >> Video cameras have a Priority as far as being able to Tape without >People > >> walking in front of them. The Camera men are also very good at knowing > >> about zooming in and out and Video Taping in General. Their cameras >have a > >> much wider view, and are much more professionally informative. They >also > >> know when to film and when not to. If someone like this were to go to > >> Madison and Tape John Working, the Historical Society could sell the >tapes > >> at a price that should be able to compensate for the cost and perform a > >> commendable service to those that would like to have a good tape to >view > >> over and over to help them improve their techniques. Or, instead give >John > >> a shot, he may want to set up some Saturday Late this fall and have a > >> Promotional Video shot in the shop (On his own Time) he would have > >> complete control of content, Shoot 3 or 4 hours and edit it down to two > >> good hours. This way he could stop and rest, eat lunch, drink a Beer, >or > >> go to the restroom and then start over. It could be edited for a >continuos > >> tape. They would have to be pre sold to be sure of recovering the cost. >I > >> would like to have one myself. I believe with advance sales he could > >> easily pay a Professional to do the Taping. I would imagine a lot of > >> people around the state would gladly pay for a Good session of repairs, > >> rather then travel a 100 miles or more and still have to pay for a one > >> time Lesson. LA Clug is driving from Lafayette and still Paying. A good > >> two hour tape of techniques and repairs with voice over instructions >would > >> easily sell for $30.00 or more, and would still be much cheaper than >the > >> trip, plus the Expenses. And You could view it until you were confident > >> enough to try by your self. Any field video could be added also. Hell >it > >> ought to be worth $40.00. John could add an introduction as to what he >was > >> going to do, then at the End address what he has done, and add the >things > >> that should never be done, such as, Brushes, Sandpaper, Powerclean, >etc, > >> etc. Also I think they could be pre sold. I;m just trying to find >a > >> way for as many as possible to become advanced in stone repairs. I > >> know I come up with some crazy ideas, but that's what old people with >time > >> on their hands do. Maybe the general concept without the prices could >be > >> floated on the List. This State is 300 miles long, and 120 wide, what > >> better way to stretch John. Let Micki find someone to Video the work, >and > >> let John make some money for his knowledge, and time. I would like to >be > >> the first to buy one if he would make it. He could still do seminars > >> > >> Jack E. Briles Sr. > >> Floyd County INPCRP Coordinator > >> Po Box 444 > >> > > > > The following is an Open Letter To the List, > > I sent the above E-Mail out at 11:00 on the 8th. An hour and a half >after > > John sent his out. (Took me an Hour to write it) I think as I said >above > > any kind of a Good Video would be wonderfull. But I think we are >forgetting > > a very important thing, unless there is something I don't know. I think >as > > I stated, Why are we forgetting about compensation for John. A group >will > > put on a Seminar and John Gets Expenses, (No disrespect for any group, >all > > are dedicated) but what about compensation for his Experience and > > Knowledge. > > The seminars benefit different people, but the same person gives >up > > a couple of days to put on the Repair Demonstrations. How many of you >would > > do this time and time again for nothing. I believe not many. John and >Micki > > have a heart of pure gold and a dedication beyond belief, but is John >being > > fairly compensated There is a difference between cleaning and repairing >on > > a week end in a cemetery in your county. But John goes to any county >that > > he is asked to come to. I have more to say, but this is enough for now. > > When you consider your Video remember John. He gives up more of his free > > time to share his Knowledge, than anyone else in the state of Indiana. >Also > > as I said, a good Video, even if you think it expensive, as Brian Smeade >in > > Terra Haute said, the Seminars are to far away. > > A Video that could also compensate John for his Dedicated time > > surely must not be considered impossible. It won't happen, but what if >you > > called John and he said "I want to stay home this weekend" This again >is > > My opinion, you don't have to agree with me, but think long and hard >about > > how lucky we all are that John and Micki Show up when asked. I >personally > > consider it an Honor to Know both of them. There aren't many People as > > dedicated to a cause of any kind, as they both are. > > No reply needed, this was just thrown out for future consideration >by > > the people connected with the List. > > > > > > >Jack E. Briles Sr. >Floyd County INPCRP Coordinator >Po Box 444 >New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of >England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals." > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

I don't know what happened, but I never sent it like that ?? Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County INPCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444

Poor Jack Briles is getting a bad back carrying around all these Petitions. Isn't that GREAT?! :-) A total of 392 Petition signatures have been received as of 9/8/2001 from Indiana residents and 49 from other states for a GRAND TOTAL SO FAR OF ***441***! Way to go. The published "deadline" for return of your signed Petitions is only a week away (9/15/2001), so we hope the mini-deluge of Petitions will continue. If you run into a problem mailing in your signed Petitions by 9/15/2001, don't panic. We will continue collecting and tabulating them up until the first of October. (Remember, we are hand-delivering these to Rep. Markt Lytle at the Workshop in Madison on October 6, 2001.) Here are the numbers for the Indiana counties and other states: ADAMS 0 ALLEN 6 BARTHOLOMEW 1 BENTON 0 BLACKFORD 2 BOONE 1 BROWN 1 CARROLL 0 CASS 0 CLARK 53 CLAY 0 CLINTON 0 CRAWFORD 2 DAVIESS 0 DEKALB 1 DEARBORN 4 DECATUR 0 DELAWARE 13 DUBOIS 0 ELKHART 0 FAYETTE 2 FLOYD 98 FOUNTAIN 0 FRANKLIN 0 FULTON 0 GIBSON 0 GRANT 0 GREENE 0 HAMILTON 5 HANCOCK 0 HARRISON 39 HENDRICKS 1 HENRY 5 HOWARD 24 HUNTINGTON 0 JACKSON 0 JASPER 0 JAY 0 JEFFERSON 0 JENNINGS 0 JOHNSON 0 KNOX 0 KOSCIUSKO 0 La PORTE 54 LAGRANGE 0 LAKE 2 LAWRENCE 0 MADISON 1 MARION 7 MARSHALL 0 MARTIN 2 MIAMI 0 MONROE 0 MONTGOMERY 0 MORGAN 0 NEWTON 0 NOBLE 0 OHIO 0 ORANGE 0 OWEN 0 PARKE 0 PERRY 0 PIKE 0 PORTER 0 POSEY 0 PULASKI 1 PUTNAM 0 RANDOLPH 2 RIPLEY 11 RUSH 0 ST. JOSEPH 2 SCOTT 14 SHELBY 0 SPENCER 0 STARKE 13 STEUBEN 0 SULLIVAN 0 SWITZERLAND 0 TIPPECANOE 1 TIPTON 0 UNION 0 VANDERBURGH 0 VERMILLION 0 VIGO 1 WABASH 1 WARREN 0 WARRICK 0 WASHINGTON 1 WAYNE 0 WELLS 0 WHITE 0 WHITLEY 21 ==================== OTHER STATES: CALIFORNIA 10 FLORIDA 2 GEORGIA 4 KANSAS 12 IOWA 5 KENTUCKY 9 MARYLAND 1 MINNESOTA 1 NEW YORK 1 PENNSYLVANIA 2 TENNESSEE 1 WASHINGTON STATE 1 ==================== HAVE YOU SIGNED A PETITION TO SLOW THE RELOCATION OF CEMETERIES IN INDIANA? See Indiana Pioneer Cemeteries Restoration Project website at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp Clark Co., IN Cemetery Preservation Committee: http://www.rootsweb.com/~incccpc

Jon, You sure said it correctly about the coal mines. They have moved so many cemeteries in Pike County it is not funny. Natalie Robling

I talked with Katherine Dill at the Indiana Historical Society several months ago about the possibility of doing a video or series of video on this exact subject. I'm going to forward this series of message to Katherine to remind her about our conversation and see if the IHS might still be interested. Lois

Jack, There is a lot of message in what you have written, which is why I am leaving it intact for this response and comment. I have two observations.... 1. If the cemetery is Lutheran, how could the DNR or any other STATE agency take it over when the federal constitution (and most State constitutions as well) guarantees separation of Church and State? In our county, the county approved a telephone switching station placement on/near a family plot in an historic Catholic cemetery, then later claimed it didn't permit the company to do so. A developer was told he needed a second ingress/egress, and the county approved a road through the middle of the same Catholic church property, through the area where the Church once stood. The developer planned three building lots on the lower section of the Church's property and the county approved the grading permits. The Roman Catholic Diocese of Sacramento sued the County, Pacific Bell and the developer in 1998 claiming violation of their constitutional right to separation of Church and State. The county knew the property belonged to the Church and never notified them of their intention to desecrate this historic cemetery. Suffice it to say, all three defendants chose to settle out of court... The point I make is that if there is a deed held by the Lutheran organization, I think that the DNR has done the same thing. They have infringed on the Lutheran's rights to separation of Church and State. Just because no one is doing anything with a cemetery anymore, doesn't mean their ownership isn't still valid. 2. Burning a cemetery and otherwise doing anything that will harm the ornamentation and monumentation that is within a cemetery is does not constitute paying honor to any settlers or peoples. It is an insult to think that anyone, in the past or in the present, would ever see that as paying tribute. I wish government people would quit thinking the average American is so stupid and gullible to fall for their hairbrained schemes. It is an insult to our intelligence. And the burning off of cemeteries is an insult to anyone buried their, and to their descendants who may be out searching for the burial places. Anyone who can read a newspaper can tell you that in the old editions you never saw..."The Masons and Odd Fellows will burn their cemeteries off next week for their annual cleaning." To the contrary, almost every community will probably have an article asking for subscription payments to help toward the cost of cleaning the weeks and brush from the cemetery. In all my research, I have never seen one that stated the cemetery was to be deliberately burned off. Quite the opposite, especially after a wildfire burned nearby and entered the cemetery, people would rush out to the cemetery afterward to see what damage needed to be attended to! And, finally, let's all remember that the government is OUR government. We give it the power that it has and we have the ability to take that power away. OUR government is seen as a reflection of the American people and when it goes sideways and does stupid things, others see US in that same light. In this instance, it is time to speak out to YOUR government (read DNR or any other agency responsible for this sick and stupid policy) to tell them to stop and stop now. It is bad enough that people have lost their jobs and homes because of environmental measures that put other things before people, now they want to steal our heritage in the same way. There is a line that must be drawn at some juncture. This is one of those instances. Sue Silver California ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Barrens Memorial (Saturday) > This is an open letter to the List, you may now feel free to hit the DELETE > > > About the Lutheran cemetery in Harrison County, that is now Named > > Officially by the State as Barrens. I can't buy the cultural thing, or > > memorial to the Settlers and the Indians. The land was taken from the > > Indians and now we use a Lutheran cemetery grown up purposfully to make a > > memorial to them. In case anyone doesn't know it, I'm Mad as H---. That was > > a German Lutheran Church that I measured today as 3/4 of a mile from my > > families property in the 1850 census.. They were German Lutheran and did > > not subscribe to any weeds, wild flowers, or tall grass in their > > cemeteries. They were very respectful of their families. It was to hard to > > keep them alive. They didn't bury them in the Weeds > > I went back today and my wife and I just sat and looked at it. > > We sat and talked about how little we could do. I had to leave to avoid > > burning it myself. ( I have more respect than that) To add Insult to Injury > > the name was changed to Barrens.It has always been Lutheran. My family who > > lived South West of Bradford near the cemetery, would Never have allowed > > this to grow up like this. > It might be a DNR memorial but it's disgracefull to my German > Heritage which > > back to 1808 when they helped settle Harrison County, and this part > > of the > country. Also the Indians liked the Grass and Wild (Flowers) because game > lived in > > it. Indians never ever slept in anything like this. There is no water near > > by. They just passed thru Hunting, then went back 3 miles south to the > > nearest water. As far as the name,The DNR didn't even leave Lutheran on the > > Memorial Cemetery Name. Also the sign about 31/2 ft Tall and 8 feet long > > is, in my opinion overkill. The nice little sign up North marking a prarie > > is very reasonable. They don't use those in Floyd, Harrison, Crawford, or > > Perry counties except State Parks or in the Forrestry where it is > > approiate. Here, they have taken what they call a Cultural thing (Return to > > Nature) and removed it from another culture. > The cemetery is Offically recorded in the WPA Cemetery Blue Print > Layout > > Book in The Governors home town of Corydon in the Court House, as > Lutheran. The DNR changed the name for a Memorial to people who don't > subscribe > > to it. I'm not going to let this go away. Down here things don't always > > go by the book. Government agency's and the people that influence them have > > enough to do without making Cemetery Name changes, they don't even have > > aka/Lutheran on the sign. This is my own personal opinion. No one has to > > agree with me. The Indians had a saying, Roughly, "Don't condemn another > > brave until you have walked a Mile in his moccasins". Keep that in Mind !! > > We work to hard on a Volunteer basis to become complacent now. Fairness > > and a Single standard is all I ask. > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > > Po Box 444 > > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812)-282-6585 > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

Pat, they monitor the List !! Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County INPCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444

My question at THIS juncture is "Do we know for an absolute mortal fact that DNR does own/manage Barrens Cemetery in Harrison Co.?" I know the neighbor that Jack talked to said DNR manages it, but I don't believe this has been confirmed yet. I know that the sign of made of cedar (?) with burnt-in lettering such as those one would see at any State Park but it does not SAY anything about ANY managing entity. Beyond this, I don't believe we have CONFIRMED the DNR's involvement and it is just a presumption based upon the above facts. Correct? Lois P.S.: My cable's out (Internet and TV), so I'm using my dial-up connection from work. Hence, my work return address. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pride1jw@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Barrens Memorial (Saturday) > My question: How in the world did the cemetery fall into the hands of the > Department of Natural Resources?....This will be interesting.....Ruth Pride.. >

Dear Kyle: I'm anxious to hear the results of Jack's deed research next week. If it **IS** owned by The Nature Conservancy ("TNC"), I might be able to help. I was the Southeast Regional Project Coordinator and Communications Coordinator for TNC for a little more than 3 years in Georgia back in the mid-1970s. I'm sure no one that might remember me is still with TNC, but I might have some clues as to where to start looking for information. I know they are pretty active here in Indiana, but let's wait until Jack reports back on the ownership situation before we blast DNR, TNC or any other alphabet groups. :-) Frankly, if it was DNR or TNC, my gut tells me that their name would be on the sign. I'm betting its a "land trust" deal. But, time (and Jack) will tell! Lois

In a message dated 9/8/01 10:33:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time, Pride1jw@aol.com writes: > My question: How in the world did the cemetery fall into the hands of the > Department of Natural Resources?....This will be interesting.....Ruth > Pride.. > > > Ruth, i'm Researching the deed Monday morning at Corydon, Harrison Co. at 8 > am We will know then Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County INPCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444

My question: How in the world did the cemetery fall into the hands of the Department of Natural Resources?....This will be interesting.....Ruth Pride..

Jack and All Listers: See, this is what I meant when I said that YOU could say it better! I hope you sent this to the DNR. Thanks for your support. Pat Bryant, Indianapolis Jb502000@aol.com wrote: > > This is an open letter to the List, you may now feel free to hit the DELETE > > > About the Lutheran cemetery in Harrison County, that is now Named > > Officially by the State as Barrens. I can't buy the cultural thing, or > > memorial to the Settlers and the Indians. The land was taken from the > > Indians and now we use a Lutheran cemetery grown up purposfully to make a > > memorial to them. In case anyone doesn't know it, I'm Mad as H---. That was > > a German Lutheran Church that I measured today as 3/4 of a mile from my > > families property in the 1850 census.. They were German Lutheran and did > > not subscribe to any weeds, wild flowers, or tall grass in their > > cemeteries. They were very respectful of their families. It was to hard to > > keep them alive. They didn't bury them in the Weeds > > I went back today and my wife and I just sat and looked at it. > > We sat and talked about how little we could do. I had to leave to avoid > > burning it myself. ( I have more respect than that) To add Insult to Injury > > the name was changed to Barrens.It has always been Lutheran. My family who > > lived South West of Bradford near the cemetery, would Never have allowed > > this to grow up like this. > It might be a DNR memorial but it's disgracefull to my German > Heritage which > > back to 1808 when they helped settle Harrison County, and this part > > of the > country. Also the Indians liked the Grass and Wild (Flowers) because game > lived in > > it. Indians never ever slept in anything like this. There is no water near > > by. They just passed thru Hunting, then went back 3 miles south to the > > nearest water. As far as the name,The DNR didn't even leave Lutheran on the > > Memorial Cemetery Name. Also the sign about 31/2 ft Tall and 8 feet long > > is, in my opinion overkill. The nice little sign up North marking a prarie > > is very reasonable. They don't use those in Floyd, Harrison, Crawford, or > > Perry counties except State Parks or in the Forrestry where it is > > approiate. Here, they have taken what they call a Cultural thing (Return to > > Nature) and removed it from another culture. > The cemetery is Offically recorded in the WPA Cemetery Blue Print > Layout > > Book in The Governors home town of Corydon in the Court House, as > Lutheran. The DNR changed the name for a Memorial to people who don't > subscribe > > to it. I'm not going to let this go away. Down here things don't always > > go by the book. Government agency's and the people that influence them have > > enough to do without making Cemetery Name changes, they don't even have > > aka/Lutheran on the sign. This is my own personal opinion. No one has to > > agree with me. The Indians had a saying, Roughly, "Don't condemn another > > brave until you have walked a Mile in his moccasins". Keep that in Mind !! > > We work to hard on a Volunteer basis to become complacent now. Fairness > > and a Single standard is all I ask. > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > > Po Box 444 > > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812)-282-6585 > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

This is an open letter to the List, you may now feel free to hit the DELETE > About the Lutheran cemetery in Harrison County, that is now Named > Officially by the State as Barrens. I can't buy the cultural thing, or > memorial to the Settlers and the Indians. The land was taken from the > Indians and now we use a Lutheran cemetery grown up purposfully to make a > memorial to them. In case anyone doesn't know it, I'm Mad as H---. That was > a German Lutheran Church that I measured today as 3/4 of a mile from my > families property in the 1850 census.. They were German Lutheran and did > not subscribe to any weeds, wild flowers, or tall grass in their > cemeteries. They were very respectful of their families. It was to hard to > keep them alive. They didn't bury them in the Weeds > I went back today and my wife and I just sat and looked at it. > We sat and talked about how little we could do. I had to leave to avoid > burning it myself. ( I have more respect than that) To add Insult to Injury > the name was changed to Barrens.It has always been Lutheran. My family who > lived South West of Bradford near the cemetery, would Never have allowed > this to grow up like this. It might be a DNR memorial but it's disgracefull to my German Heritage which > back to 1808 when they helped settle Harrison County, and this part > of the country. Also the Indians liked the Grass and Wild (Flowers) because game lived in > it. Indians never ever slept in anything like this. There is no water near > by. They just passed thru Hunting, then went back 3 miles south to the > nearest water. As far as the name,The DNR didn't even leave Lutheran on the > Memorial Cemetery Name. Also the sign about 31/2 ft Tall and 8 feet long > is, in my opinion overkill. The nice little sign up North marking a prarie > is very reasonable. They don't use those in Floyd, Harrison, Crawford, or > Perry counties except State Parks or in the Forrestry where it is > approiate. Here, they have taken what they call a Cultural thing (Return to > Nature) and removed it from another culture. The cemetery is Offically recorded in the WPA Cemetery Blue Print Layout > Book in The Governors home town of Corydon in the Court House, as Lutheran. The DNR changed the name for a Memorial to people who don't subscribe > to it. I'm not going to let this go away. Down here things don't always > go by the book. Government agency's and the people that influence them have > enough to do without making Cemetery Name changes, they don't even have > aka/Lutheran on the sign. This is my own personal opinion. No one has to > agree with me. The Indians had a saying, Roughly, "Don't condemn another > brave until you have walked a Mile in his moccasins". Keep that in Mind !! > We work to hard on a Volunteer basis to become complacent now. Fairness > and a Single standard is all I ask. > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Po Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812)-282-6585

Walt, I have never been able to attend a workshop. Most are too far from me or I just can't get the time. In the Hatfield cemetery in Allen county, Indiana, when we do cleaning there, when we run across a broken or buried headstone, we pretty much put the pieces at the base. The buried ones that we run across, those that we see maybe a corner above the soil, we don'r probe for them, we just uncover. We don't lift them out of the soil mainly because I don't know if they were layed down to begin with instead of being upright. A series of videos whould be great for me, starting with just cleaning. I haven't even tryed to clean any stones for fear of using the wrong things on them. I would gladly put forth the money to buy any videos that would teach me what I really need to do. Brian E. Smead Terre Haute, Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Walters" <graveyardgroomer@skyenet.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: [INPCRP] workshops > Dear Group, > On the subject of workshops and training needed, many of you know how nervous and sometimes frustrated I get. > Mostly because I know that I cannot possibly share all the methods of stone repair,rights ,wrongs,shortcuts etc. > In a matter of hours.I attended my first workshop in October of 1997 and was just shown sticking the pieces back together with Mastico epoxy. > You must remember that I was fortunate to live in a County that supported me and the Department they hired me to head. > They provided me with the tools and materials needed and 65 cemeteries to practice in not to mention a wage for doing it. > When I see some of the first tombstones I repaired I want to do them again, as I learned more with each stone. > As far as teaching to do it perfect I have never thought of myself teaching anyone anything, I have just always been willing to share with others what I have learned from others. > I was myself ,afraid at first,as I did not want to do more harm than good, but doing nothing is more harm than good. > I have mentioned to Lois before that maybe we should have some sort of way knowing what people want and expect from a workshop.Maybe braking up into smaller groups and more hands on, I do not know. > We all know what a tremendous job we have ahead of us, there is a few cemeteries needing help, ha ha! > What about a training video with from basic repair to serious restoration. > I have put a lot of thought into the upcoming Madison Workshop , just like some of the first tombstones I fixed, I know they get better with each one I do, hopefully these workshops can improve also. > > Your graveyard grooming buddy, > Walt > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If we cannot respect the dead, how can we respect the living? > >

Dear Group, On the subject of workshops and training needed, many of you know how nervous and sometimes frustrated I get. Mostly because I know that I cannot possibly share all the methods of stone repair,rights ,wrongs,shortcuts etc. In a matter of hours.I attended my first workshop in October of 1997 and was just shown sticking the pieces back together with Mastico epoxy. You must remember that I was fortunate to live in a County that supported me and the Department they hired me to head. They provided me with the tools and materials needed and 65 cemeteries to practice in not to mention a wage for doing it. When I see some of the first tombstones I repaired I want to do them again, as I learned more with each stone. As far as teaching to do it perfect I have never thought of myself teaching anyone anything, I have just always been willing to share with others what I have learned from others. I was myself ,afraid at first,as I did not want to do more harm than good, but doing nothing is more harm than good. I have mentioned to Lois before that maybe we should have some sort of way knowing what people want and expect from a workshop.Maybe braking up into smaller groups and more hands on, I do not know. We all know what a tremendous job we have ahead of us, there is a few cemeteries needing help, ha ha! What about a training video with from basic repair to serious restoration. I have put a lot of thought into the upcoming Madison Workshop , just like some of the first tombstones I fixed, I know they get better with each one I do, hopefully these workshops can improve also. Your graveyard grooming buddy, Walt

In a message dated 9/7/01 9:23:56 PM US Eastern Standard Time, cherokee@shelbynet.net writes: > Cris West > Columbus, IN > > > Cris, > Thanks for the update. I for one appreciate it. I'm glad you have > something to report. In most cases like yours there would be absolutely > nothing to report on. I'm glad for you and I hope there is more later. But > if not this much makes you a Winner And we could use more of those. > Good Luck, Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County INPCRP Coordinator New Albany, In. 47150-0444 (812) 282-6585

There is only one Revolutionary War soldier known to be in Scott cemetery and yes he has a goverement marker. http://www.geocities.com/sdfranklin_1999/lewis_richard.html Richard Lewis is his name... Stephen D Franklin http://www.geocities.com/sdfranklin_1999/inssar_cem-project.html Revolutionary War Soldiers Buried in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jb502000@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Cemetery signs SCOTT > In a message dated 9/7/01 1:35:13 PM US Eastern Standard Time, > walexander@iquest.net writes: > > > > > > I would think that the Scott Cemetery would be considered Historical. That > > is > > the only cemetery that I am aware of in Floyd County. It has my ancestors > > including a Revolutionary War Soldier. > > > > Susan Price Alexander > > > > Susan, > > There are 136 cemeteries in Floyd Co. besides Scott. But If you can > > have the Scott declared Historical, that would be great, I'm for it, but > > the cemetery is taken care of by Tom Cannon the New Albany Township Trustee > > and I don't believe having a cemetery declared Historical comes under bis > > Job Desigination. An Individual like your self can do the Paper work and > > see if it Qualifies as Historical with the IHB. For that matter there are > > two cemeteries within a mile and a half out at Galena with Revolutionary > > Veterans buried in them. One is 40 Feet from the Property owners side door. > > The Relatives of the Veteran are Personaly filing the necessary papers with > > the DAR, and Expect to have a Dedicated stone in 6 to 8 months. The > > Property Owners have to sign a Permission Paper for the relatives of the > > Veteran to be able to Place the stone on the cemetery on their Property. > > luckily when I met them the first time, I knew I had met a wonderful > > couple. > > > When they are finished with the stone and a Brass ENGLEMAN CEMETERY > > Plaque, then that Cemetery probably will become Historical. Temporarily > > I have to repair his original Stone. There is a Burial of his Son in 1812. > > As far as Scott Cemetery, go for it, it might be accpeted. Does your > > relative Veteran have a Government stone and marker by the DAR. If not get > > your paper work together and file it. At Scott your best Friend is Tom > > Cannon, New Albany Township Trustee. And Since I have mentioned his Name, > > I talked him into Subscribing to our List Yesterday evening. I saw his > > acceptance come up on his Screen, Welcome Aboard Tom. (Like I told you, > > people don't really hate Trustees) I know he is keeping up. He's a good > > Friend to have. Everyone say "Hi Tom" > Susan, possibly with the right Local Help you could get Scott Declared > Historical. > > There are cemeteries older in Floyd co, but I don't think that matters. You > > may have to state your reasons for the desigination > You know Historical Cemeteries have been talked about on the List for > probably a full > > week. There is not much valid input in that short period of time. > > > > Jack E. Briles Sr. > Floyd Co. INPCRP Cooridinator > Po Box 444 > New Albany, In. 47151-0444 > (812) 282-6585 > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > If you know of some good cemetery related links, send them to LoisMauk@usa.net. > >

Just to keep you updated, I spent the morning (my last one of vacation) at the site with just the archaeologist and his partners. Last Friday they thought they had found another headstone, possibly facedown, about 4 feet east of the buried headstones. I was there when they pulled it from the ground and it was possibly a base, made of soft stone about 4 to 6 inches thick, that must have been too heavy for the farmer to move. I had promised my brother I'd videotape a funeral procession (fireman's last call past the stationhouse) around 11, so I told them if it didn't rain I'd be back around 2. It began to pour down at 2 so I stayed in town, went shopping then back to my parents. I missed it again, it appears as though they have located at least 3 graveshafts!! I'll keep you updated, but I'm not sure when the archaeologist will be out there again. I will have to sit down with Crossmann and see what they say, but it sounds as if they intend to leave what they find where it is and plan around it. The archaeologist also discribed the 2 Lewelling headstones that I missed seeing. He said they were matching and beautifully carved and Temprance's had the carvers name of BARKALOW, COLUMBUS, INDIANA on it. Cris West Columbus, IN