In a message dated 9/30/01 6:23:35 AM US Eastern Standard Time, mclbsl@hotmail.com writes: > I do respect your opinion and your efforts. You have every > right to them. It just happens that I have differing passions. Sorry I'm late on my response, but I've been Very Busy. God Help us when we cannot voice our opinions. I know a lot of people on this List disagree with me most of the Time. I'm glad. Differing opinions are Healthy. That is why this country is so great. Because of our diversity. The only thing we really disagree on about cemeteries is that I don't do my work with Passion, or have Passion in my heart when I am Working to restore a Cemetery. I do it with Compassion for my fellow man who can't do it for himself, also a lot of Deep thought goes into my planning, and then a lot of Hard work. If I am successful then I have a wonderful feeling of Accomplishment. Some people never reach that point. I may not like Grass and Wild Flowers in a cemetery, but you may. This should not keep us from Exchanging E-mails discussing Cemeteries, unless you are only interested in one in particular. Anytime cemeteries are discussed on the List I may say something. That is not being confrontational, nor abusive, I am only expressing my opinion just as you should express yours, no matter if you are only a Majority of One. Best wishes, and please remain on the List. I Bark, but I don't Bite. Sincerily Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

Hunt cemeteries somewhere, Record them, and Hunt for broken stones for Floyd Counties Township Trustees. And on the COLD days dig for deeds in the Recorders office where it's WARM !!!! Also check the ---- Date in Harrison Co. and Buy Wieners and Buns for a cookout. Jack E. Briles Sr. Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

Ryan, Yes, a cemetery commission board ordinance was passed for Hancock Co. (Finally!) They are still interviewing people for the 5 member board. As for looking for a new home, it seems there are alot of homes for sale around Fortville, Hancock Co. I don't know their price ranges, but you can call a local realtor and they can help you. We are looking for a home as well. Since it is the Mt. Vernon school district, I am sure the prices will be higher. Good luck house hunting! Angela ----- Original Message ----- From: <rvkeller@iupui.edu> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:37 PM Subject: [INPCRP] Hello all, I miss the country. > Well, I know I have not been around much, but I have got a new job and it > needs a lot of attention. I hope things are going good, especially in > Hancock Co. I read the paper (Daily Reporter) before moving out and it > said a Pioneer Cemetary board will be formed. Has this changed? I live > in Broad Ripple and must say it's not all it's cracked up to be. I mostly > hate the traffic, being able to walk to the clubs is nice though. I plan > on moving back out into one of the surrounding counties, hopefully either > Hancock or Shelby Co. over the summer. I would like to buy a home, but I > don't know if I will be able to afford it or not. I would like to live in > a small town and an older home. If anyone knows anyone that maybe selling > a home like this around May/June time let me know. I am looking to spend > $80-$100K, the lower the better. Talk to you all later, ryan > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England > and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals."

Well, I know I have not been around much, but I have got a new job and it needs a lot of attention. I hope things are going good, especially in Hancock Co. I read the paper (Daily Reporter) before moving out and it said a Pioneer Cemetary board will be formed. Has this changed? I live in Broad Ripple and must say it's not all it's cracked up to be. I mostly hate the traffic, being able to walk to the clubs is nice though. I plan on moving back out into one of the surrounding counties, hopefully either Hancock or Shelby Co. over the summer. I would like to buy a home, but I don't know if I will be able to afford it or not. I would like to live in a small town and an older home. If anyone knows anyone that maybe selling a home like this around May/June time let me know. I am looking to spend $80-$100K, the lower the better. Talk to you all later, ryan

Hello Lisa, Gently dig around the stone to see if it is set in a square base with a slot, or if it is a long stone set several inches into the ground. If it is a square base with a slot, dig around it until you have exposed enough of it to level it, then pack good dirt, sand or pea gravel under and around it. If it is a long slab buried into the ground (usually 14" to 18"), expose enough of it so you can stand it upright easily. Be careful not to force it, the small flat stones may snap easily. If it resists standing upright, dig a little deeper. Once you have it standing upright, pack a mixture of sand and pea gravel around it. Tamp well, and fill the last 3" to 4" with dirt or sod. If it is a short stone (less than 12"under ground) it should have a base with a slot. If the base is missing, you can find instructions to make a new one here: http://www.gravestonestudies.org/preservation.htm There is lots of helpful information on the INPRCP website here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~inpcrp/pcrpstepbystep.html If you have more questions, by all means please ask! There are many on this list that will be happy to assist in any way they can. We may enen have a member near Mt. Meridian who would be willing to come over and help. Ernie Lasley, Coordinator Gibson County PCRP PCRP page: http://members.sigecom.net/elasley/inpcrp/index.html Cemetery page: http://www.usroots.com/~jmurphy/gibson/gibcem/gibcem.htm At 12:27 PM 10/2/01, you wrote: >the trouble being that the headstone had fallen forward and sunken into >the ground slightly, hiding the name. What is the proper thing to do when >this happens? I gently pried it up, and "propped" it up by pushing some >of the surrounding dirt underneath the front of the stone (it is a very >small, hand-carved one). >Should I have left the stone the way that it was, or was this ok to do? >Thanks for any advice you can give-- > Lisa > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >This list is for discussion of topics related to the Indiana Pioneer >Cemeteries Restoration Project only.

Jack, I just discovered that the Gibson County petitions HAVE NOT been sent in! I will pick them up in the morning and get them out express mail or something fast. Sorry about the delay, I have too many irons in the fire this week & thought someone had this taken care of. Ernie At 01:59 PM 10/1/01, you wrote: >Some of you were wondering about your petitions, here is what I picked up >today, > >I Picked up as follows, >1 small Envelope, no return address, cant read postmark >1 large, Postmarked Lafayette, No Return Address >1 large from Von, Vincennes >1 large, Bennington, In. Postmarked Cincinnati >1 Large from Ruth, Wheatland >1 large from Marlene, Battle Ground (With several in it) > >I will check tomorrow to see if there are more on the way So far everyone, >WELL DONE > >Jack E. Briles Sr. >Floyd County PCRP Coordinator >Po Box 444 >New Albany, In. 47151-0444 >(812) 282-6585 >Fax (812) 282-6585 > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >Quote from William Gladstone (1809-1897), three-time Prime Minister of England >and Victorian contemporary of Benjamin Disraeli: > "Show me the manner in which a nation or community > cares for its dead and I will measure with mathematical > exactness the tender mercies of its people, their > respect for the laws of the land, and their loyalty > to high ideals."

the state 4H genealogy manual: I posted yesterday ,contains some abrasive methods of cleaning stones such as wire brush and steel wool,and vinegar and soda...............yikes. Hang in there, Jon Andrews, we won't abandon you guys!! You have done an outstanding job for Knox County..... ruth pride

Hello everyone. First, just wanted to say I'm new to this mailing list and subscribed because about six months ago I started a genealogy project for my family. I have been to almost every cemetery in Putnam county during this time, and I'd like to say most of them are very nicely kept and well cared for. Would also like to say that although a lot of people were angry about the ecology thing that was going on, I was pleasantly surprised to find such a heated debate taking place on a simple mailing list. I had never heard of the INPCRP until recently, and want you to know I've learned quite a bit in the short time I've been with you. Second, I have a question. Recently I visited Deer Creek Primitive Baptist Church Cemetery in Mt. Meridian looking for an ancestor's grave. Finally on my fourth visit, I found it, the trouble being that the headstone had fallen forward and sunken into the ground slightly, hiding the name. What is the proper thing to do when this happens? I gently pried it up, and "propped" it up by pushing some of the surrounding dirt underneath the front of the stone (it is a very small, hand-carved one). I also used a small stick and very very gently traced it over the letters I could read, to be sure it was the name I thought it was. Should I have left the stone the way that it was, or was this ok to do? I've seen how upset some of the member get when someone writes in stating that they've used chalk or something else that may harm the stone, so I'm a little worried about making people angry right off the bat here, but keep in mind I'm new to this, I meant well, and if I was w! rong, it was simple ignorance laced with good intentions. Thanks for any advice you can give-- Lisa

will get the imput from the group and then copy and sent to Purdue to see if can get change in the manual..thanks...........ruth pride wheatland..

Ruth, What manual? Andi ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pride1jw@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] graphite on stones... > will get the imput from the group and then copy and sent to Purdue to see if > can get change in the manual..thanks...........ruth pride wheatland.. > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > >

>From: "Richard Kimball" <richkimball@hotmail.com> >To: sianoil@hotmail.com >Subject: Cemetery Commission budget >Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2001 21:14:07 -0500 > >LETTER TO THE EDITOR: > >Show a little respect! > >Recent budget cuts by the Knox County Council have been met with much >dismay, but none so pathetic as the budget for the Knox County Cemetery >Commission. After the County Council invested nearly $40,000.00 of >taxpayer's money over the last few years to restore and protect over 30 >abandoned cemeteries in this county, the Cemetery Commission's budget was >"slashed" once again to a pitiful $1,000.00. How many cemeteries can be >mowed and taken care of with $1,000.00? >Money, hard work, interest and respect will all soon be lost, as Township >Trustees, whose job it is to maintain these cemeteries, will undoubtedly >turn their backs as they have in the past and ignore the ongoing problem of >care. Why? Mainly because most Trustees (not all), who are elected >officials and have their own budgets for cemetery maintenance, have no >respect and they neglect to do their job. Yet, they certainly collect their >pay! All are required by law to maintain these cemeteries, yet in the past >the conditions of some of these have been deplorable. They seem to answer >to no one and what's worse is that many people don't even seem to care. >The County Council doesn't seem to care or they would have made, out of >respect, the utmost effort to find at least the necessary maintenance funds >for next year's budget. This would have enabled the Cemetery Commission to >finish what was started a few years back and see it through to the end. >Unfortunately, the upkeep and maintenance of cemeteries doesn't wait very >long on budgets. As each season passes, weeds continue to grow worse than >the year before, stones continue to crumble and our cultural resources and >respect are lost. >The Knox County Cemetery Commission should be commended for their efforts >and a job well done. As for the rest, if this is any indication as to how >our elected officials prioritize their responsibilities, it isn't any >wonder that we are in the shape we're in. Just show a little respect! > >Richard Kimball >P.O. Box 581 >Petersburg, IN 47591 > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

To the List: The Knox County Cemetery Commission's budget has once again been cut from $2,500.00 to $1,000.00. After investing in excess of $40,000.00 to restore over 30+ cemeteries in Knox County, the Knox County Council cries that they are broke. What do they think, it's all fixed and we can go home now. For 2 years in a row we had an $18,000.00 budget. We can't even cover our money for gas. I suggest that anybody who would like to complain, contact Tim Ellerman, Pres., Knox County Council, Knox County Court House, Vincennes, IN 47591. He is on record saying that "I will personally see to it that the trustees do their job". We'll see! I was recently sent a copy of a "Letter to the Editor" written by Rich Kimball that was submitted to Bernie Schmitt at the Vincennes Sun-Commercial. The paper has chosen, so far, not to print this letter. I think the paper in our area is just as big of a "thug" as the council and the trustees. Anyway, if we can't get it printed in the paper, I would like it at least on record here. As for our plans, we have none and we don't have much enthusiasm left, either. It's not too good of a feeling to work your tail off for free and then get your legs cut off when you're done. That's exactly what they have done to us! If it were not for the help of 20+ volunteers from the Northwest Territory Genealogical Society in Vincennes, we would not have accomplished much of anything this year. Lois asked me to wait and calm down a bit before I sent the results of our budget hearing to the list, but frankly I get madder every day that goes by. Have a good one, Jon Andrews >From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> >Reply-To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >To: INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [INPCRP] What are your plans for FALL? >Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2001 21:29:37 -0400 > >We used to have monthly roll calls, asking everyone to update us on their >plans and achievments? We haven't done that in ages. > >What do you say we post messages to the group letting everyone know about >your Indiana cemetery work, whether it's finding them, cleaning them, >restoring them, etc., either what you've accomplished in the last six >months >or your goals for the coming six months. > >Lois > > > >==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== >THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families >are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is >undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, >historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved >in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - >not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family >memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of >yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery >exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

As for the Gard Cemetery in Hancock Co., Gary Hall, the boy scout who is working on his Eagle project there, has done an excellent job. He installed a split-rail fence along the front of the cemetery, a park bench, and a nice monument that identifies the cemetery, when it was established, and the last names of the families that are known buried there. He has planted mums at the entrance of the cemetery and beside the monument. Now that is left is headstone cleaning and repair, and putting fence around the perimeter of the cemetery. Walt has worked several weekends this spring repairing stones after the cemetery was cleared of small trees and brush. It is now starting to look like a cemetery! Seeing the work that Walt and Gary have done to this long forgotten and neglected cemetery has lifted my spirits. I can't thank them enough for their hard work and dedication to this restoration project. Sincerely, Angela Tielking Knightstown, Henry Co., Ind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois Mauk" <loismauk@home.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2001 8:29 PM Subject: [INPCRP] What are your plans for FALL? > We used to have monthly roll calls, asking everyone to update us on their > plans and achievments? We haven't done that in ages. > > What do you say we post messages to the group letting everyone know about > your Indiana cemetery work, whether it's finding them, cleaning them, > restoring them, etc., either what you've accomplished in the last six months > or your goals for the coming six months. > > Lois > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > THIS IS A CEMETERY ----- > "Lives are commemorated - deaths are recorded - families > are reunited - memories are made tangible - and love is > undisguised. This is a cemetery. > "Communities accord respect, families bestow reverence, > historians seek information and our heritage is thereby enriched. > "Testimonies of devotion, pride and remembrance are carved > in stone to pay warm tribute to accomplishments and to the life - > not the death - of a loved one. The cemetery is homeland for family > memorials that are a sustaining source of comfort to the living. > "A cemetery is a history of people - a perpetual record of > yesterday and sanctuary of peace and quiet today. A cemetery > exists because every life is worth loving and remembering - always." > --Author unknown -- Seen at a monument dealer in West Union, IA

Some of you were wondering about your petitions, here is what I picked up today, I Picked up as follows, 1 small Envelope, no return address, cant read postmark 1 large, Postmarked Lafayette, No Return Address 1 large from Von, Vincennes 1 large, Bennington, In. Postmarked Cincinnati 1 Large from Ruth, Wheatland 1 large from Marlene, Battle Ground (With several in it) I will check tomorrow to see if there are more on the way So far everyone, WELL DONE Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

In a message dated 10/1/01 8:46:01 AM US Eastern Standard Time, dillmaca@hotmail.com writes: > Hi Lois > > Plans for this fall! > > Rene and I visited three cemeteries in Floyd County on Saturday to check > for > needed maintenance of family graves. We found two stones that were broken > since last year. We plan to repair those in the next couple of weeks. Art, which 3 did you visit? Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

In a message dated 10/1/01 8:54:54 AM US Eastern Standard Time, wspurlock@savinggraves.com writes: > Jack, > > If you get the chance, try a black light. It works wonders. I picked up a > small battery operated unit at a party store here in Atalnta and while it > may not be the most powerfull light, I've had some great success with it. > > Bill > That's a new one Bill, I'll give it a try, Thanks for the tip. Jack E. Briles Sr. Floyd County PCRP Coordinator Po Box 444 New Albany, In. 47151-0444 (812) 282-6585 Fax (812) 282-6585

No, again, it's not safe. Sure, it's right there and stones sit in it, but would you place a pile of dirt on your car and rub it? No, because the tiny particles will scratch the surface. Remember the skin of a stone should be left intact. Any scratching, even minute, can lead to water invasion. Andi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Smead" <bsmead@gte.net> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Chalk > I also use wet grass. Also, just a little dirt works good but my best > results are with a digital camara. With my camara, which uses 3 1/2" disks, > I can lighten or darken the picture to the best results. Works great for me. > I've pretty much have all the stones from Hatfield cemetery in Allen county, > Indiana readable on my hard drive now. > Brian E. Smead > Terre Haute, Indiana > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <KidClerk@aol.com> > To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Chalk > > > > I sometimes resort to grass or nearby weeds...if they are wet enough they > > produce the same result as chalk and are at least a 'natural' product. I > > don't know if this is any better than other products, but I agree to some > > extent that at some point the information needs to be recorded before it > is > > lost forever... > > > > Kyle D. Conrad > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > > > > > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

Natural products such as grass are not good to use on stone. Did you know that grass is acidic as it melts over time? Especially if wet. The color also dyes the stone. And, things such as wheat, dried grass, etc., will adhere to the stone in microscopic amounts, start degrading, and as they do, they will encourage mold, mildew, moss, other biological growth. Is nothing safe? Really...no, there is nothing safe to use on a stone except a non-ionic detergent and lots, lots, lots of water to rinse, using a white nylon bristle brush to clean. Andi ----- Original Message ----- From: <KidClerk@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [INPCRP] Chalk > I sometimes resort to grass or nearby weeds...if they are wet enough they > produce the same result as chalk and are at least a 'natural' product. I > don't know if this is any better than other products, but I agree to some > extent that at some point the information needs to be recorded before it is > lost forever... > > Kyle D. Conrad > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

vinegar dissolves marble.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <Pride1jw@aol.com> To: <INPCRP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: [INPCRP] graphite on stones... > I agree not to use graphite on stones..reason being: on a nature walk with > our local Audubon Soc. the biology major pointed out the green reed , often > seen growing alongside railroads, which she said the pioneers used to scrub > their cooking pots with because it contained graphite......Also the current > manual for the 4H genealogy project in Indiana, on page 13, contains this > info pertaining to reading stones:"cleaning with steel wool, wire brush, > whisk broom, .be very careful with the wire brush. Some old stones are best > rubbed with chalk, white vinegar and baking soda does a tremendous job in > cleaning other stones.".. ruth pride wheatland,in > > > ==== INPCRP Mailing List ==== > Blessed are the Elderly, for they remember what we will never know. > >

I agree not to use graphite on stones..reason being: on a nature walk with our local Audubon Soc. the biology major pointed out the green reed , often seen growing alongside railroads, which she said the pioneers used to scrub their cooking pots with because it contained graphite......Also the current manual for the 4H genealogy project in Indiana, on page 13, contains this info pertaining to reading stones:"cleaning with steel wool, wire brush, whisk broom, .be very careful with the wire brush. Some old stones are best rubbed with chalk, white vinegar and baking soda does a tremendous job in cleaning other stones.".. ruth pride wheatland,in